Thread 942441169

Serious question to ponder.
How do atheists and non-believers make sense of the explosive growth of Christianity especially during the early Church without the Gospels being true?
Along with the history of Israel, which is written together with the Bible in such a way that one cannot be exempt from the other.

The mental gymnastics would have to be even more fantastical.

>>942441169 (OP)
hooker/stripper subsidies from the church.

>>942441169 (OP)
Gullible, uneducated people with a sword at their throat will tell you believe anything.

Made the same thread on /pol/ and it got removed and had me banned in under a minute lol. While there are anti-Christian troll threads up for hours.
Just ludicrous at this point.
Probably an assblasted fedora jannie from the /his/ thread.
/b/ at the end of the day is the only free speech platform, sad that it's filled with porn.

>>942441169 (OP)
there is no stumbling block.

98% OF PEOPLE ARE GULLIBLE FUCKING FOOLS

any other questions?

no? then it's my turn to ask you a question:

how do you explain the fact that Christianity's numbers are dropping so drastically right now? there's never been such a high number of Christians disavowing their religion than the current moment in history

>>942441169 (OP)
why would atheists need to account for people believing religion? what are you even asking?
people get indoctrinated, and want answers to things, and religions offer answers, so people accept it, it's not that deep

>>942441169 (OP)

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT MATTERS:

ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO BUILDS YOUR ENTIRE LIFE'S BELIEF SYSTEM AROUND A FAR-FETCHED FAIRY TALE, WITHOUT EVEN REQUIRING ONE TINY LITTLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE BEFORE JUMPING IN HEADFIRST?

because most people fit that description

most people put more scrutiny into getting a good deal on a toothbrush than they put into choosing their life's religion

most people will insist they're not easily manipulated, but they blindly swallow whatever gets shoveled down their fucking throat

>>942441560
Are you referring to apostasy? Cause that isn't much of a thing in Christianity.
Neither is their numbers dropping. The rate of growth maybe, not really a puzzling thing enough to be a gotcha in anyway either.

>>942441598
>One day for no reason at all, Christianity took over the world.

>>942441169 (OP)
100% TRUE:
when I was 6 years old my parents decided to expose me to religion, and took me to Sunday school.

within 15 minutes, I had turned the tables on the Sunday school teachers, and they were frantically trying to reach my parents, telling them to come get me.

Even at only 6 years old, I could already determine the story they were telling wasn't true. I demanded to know why they were telling me this story, and made it very clear I WAS THERE AGAINST MY WILL AND WANTED TO GO HOME IMMEDIATELY

basically, they suddenly found themselves in a situation where they were holding a child against his will

It was amazing how fast they got me out of there

And I never had to be exposed to religion again

DIDN'T YOU REALIZE YOU COULD SCREAM FOR HELP?

You didn't have to allow the adults to molest your mind with religion

You could have called the police

>>942441169 (OP)
ALSO 100% TRUE:

when my wife and I met, we realized we had a lot in common...

But it took a few months until I finally discovered SHE DID THE SAME THING AT SUNDAY SCHOOL WHEN SHE WAS 7 YEARS OLD

absolutely true.... My wife is the only person I've ever met who also turned the tables on them at Sunday school, and demanded to be returned back home immediately

coincidental......
but true

>>942441631
Doesn't have to be supernatural. Things like creation, order of nature, sin, shame, inherent values, add the historical data.
It's just a farfetched to deny it, can't lie.
I'm opposed to copes.

>>942441697
>>942441734
Where are you getting these from?

>>942441169 (OP)
>I'm butthurt it's failing now in modern society

>>942441697
:^)

>>942441169 (OP)
>Israel
Much of the history expressed in the bible has been directly contradicted by archaeological evidence, and to be fair, much of the bible was written some 50-100 years after the events it purports to talk about, so it isn't any surprise that it gets details wrong.
To say with confidence that the opposite is true is odd, because the only evidence that supports the biblical narrative is already in the hands of theologians, but has never been independently verified by historians; infact nearly every artifact from that time in a church collection is private, and no one is allowed to sample them except for the church's own scientists. Many of those artifacts are on display, but the usefulness of looking at a display is profoundly different than the usefulness of being able to use non-invasive investigative techniques like X-Rays to see if these artifacts are authentic. No such studies are ever completed by the churches these artifacts are within.

>>942441868
Modern xtianity has devolved to Trump selling $5 Chinese bibles for $60

>>942441667
>Christians aren't becoming secular.
Lol. Ok.
Listen dude, try being a 20-something year old Christian in a historically very religious state with lots of churches, and still struggling to find friends your age who are god-fearing. You are absolutely out of your mind if you think Christianity is on the rise.

>>942441169 (OP)
if it's true, why do other religions exist?

>>942441996
Christians have always romanticized being the victims, and now that they are actually being treated equally, and not given favoritism, they are calling back to the age when they were actually victims, over 1000 years ago.
It's a classic technique, they love to pretend to be victims of religious persecution

>>942441801
>Creation
Must be proven. This isn't evidence, this is circular reasoning.
>Order of Nature
Nature is one of the most chaotic systems, only when you zoom WAY in are you able to see any order to it. The irony of an orderly nature is that there is no orderly nature.
>Sin
A biblical concept, it has to be proven. This is circular reasoning.
>Shame
This doesn't prove God. Shame is learned, even the Bible says as much.
>Inherent values
Don't exist, which is why there are hundred of religions, many of which see things as acceptable that you wouldn't because the bible distinctly says they're not; in Jainism, you're SUPPOSED to be intoxicated. In other Hindu religious practices, you must whip yourself until you bleed, damaging your temple according to the bible; but in their religion, reverance can't be felt without pain.
There IS NO SUCH THING as inherent values. If there was, no one would have to be taught about God.
Historical data doesn't support the bible.

>>942442214
Do you really that's gonna convince anybody who acknowledges it or do you just feel the need to reply?
It just sounds like personal copes tbh.
I'm looking for a realistic answer.

>>942442492
In retrospect it's more of a rhetorical question I guess, as it is a question which comes from clarity as opposed to actually looking for an answer from confusion.
Much like the problem of suffering.

>>942441384
>OH NOES I SAW A VAGOO PIC- MY WIZARD LEVEL IS DROPPING!