pumped up kicks Edition

>Who is Betty?
Betty is a self proclaimed edgelord who has bragged on stream about her involvement with the Parkland High school shooter Nicolas Cruz, selling him little girl play videos and grooming him in a private instagram chat.
She also has a fetish for gaslighting men into suicide (RIP Andrew).

>News

Betty is trying to gaslight a new victim into suicide and her fanbase is supporting it and helping her with the gaslighting.

>General Info
nothing worth mentioning shes trash and should kill self immediately

>Items recovered by police at the scene included gun magazines with swastikas carved in them. One student claimed that Cruz had drawn a swastika and the words "I hate niggers" on his backpack.[39] CNN reported that Cruz was in a private Instagram group chat where he expressed racist, antisemitic, xenophobic, and homophobic views. Cruz said that he hated "jews, niggers, immigrants" and frequently discussed the weapons that he owned. At one point, Cruz said "I think I am going to kill people" in the group chat, although he later claimed that he was joking.[7]

>In the drawings, he blamed his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend for making him do the shooting, who Cruz claimed sexually humiliated him on Instagram prior to the attack

>sexually humiliated him on Instagram prior to the attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_aQYP8rsgE

>Nikolas Jacob Cruz (born September 24, 1998)[3][4][5] is an American mass murderer who perpetrated the Parkland high school shooting, where he shot and killed fourteen students and three staff members while injuring seventeen others on February 14, 2018. In November 2022, Cruz was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for the shooting, which remains one of the deadliest high school shootings in the United States.

>IM AN EDGELORD
*gets punched in the eye by her boyfriend*

im taking off work again today for mental health reasons so ill have all day to post dw.

i only started taking my medication again and working again because i thought betty cared about me but it turns out i was just another victim for her suicide/murder fetish

she really overplayed her hand with the gaslighting this time

https://limewire.com/d/8UrVq#ulzWtUYNOs
https://limewire.com/d/HlZ8y#f9HfWVp89a
https://limewire.com/d/ic8pE#ql9cUDMMAk
https://limewire.com/d/wKlEN#GQi5xvZrjQ

deject was right about her and he did nothing wrong

the next workout vid should be hanging from a noose

phew found the thread just in time
*farts*
that's better

>>22811656
lmao

why doesn't she just start streaming on chaturbate?

https://www.idrlabs.com/covert-narcissism/test.php

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCdp3btVIZE

>>22811956

She tried selling her nudes on a bunch of websites but kept getting banned. Even OnlyFans didn't want to get involved with Betty.

>>22810887 (OP)
This schizophrenic nigger dick sucker is full of shit.

>>22811963
was expecting higher if I'm honest

So to be clear, this girl destroyed Cruz mentally, making him thought he was in a e-relationship with her, and in the end she cucked him with nigger dick or whatever dick she was getting at the time ?
So he was sent proof of this, by either her or her dick provider ?
If that's the case then any teen chud with sociopathic tendancies could have tipped over the edge and did it.
And if at the trial, he didn't blame the whore but the alleged "new boyfriend" then he really was emotionally attached. Poor chud

Never happened you retarded French faggot

Did that hit too close to home ? Were you perhaps also cucked or mistreated by your alcoholic mother ? I pity you mutt chud

>>22812002
Yes it did Betty said so herself quit gaslighting and lying

>>22812016

>>22811963
What do I win

I just wish she would kill herself atp she's such a bad person

>>22812036
i guess ours is more overt than covert
but is it really narcisscism if one is genuinely superior to nearly everyone?

>>22812039
do the test https://www.idrlabs.com/covert-narcissism/test.php

Can't say I'm surprised

I've been praying the last two days God will put her in her place.

>>22812062
she is in her place her life sucks ass
same for you

>>22812064
It should be worse. She should have to feel the pain she's caused so many others.

is that bbc dick suck real dick, im bouta delete my stash ong

>>22811335
They've all been deleted/removed

>>22811988
>>22812036
>>22812054
>https://www.idrlabs.com/3-minute-autism/test.php
>https://www.idrlabs.com/zionism-and-antisemitism/test.php

>>22812258
that tism test is way too short and generic to be meaningful
the questions would only apply to a full on David Byrne type

>>22812258
pretty pleased with this result

>>22812280
do the longer one if you like, anon, I was just trying to save you time:
>https://www.idrlabs.com/autism-spectrum/test.php
seems similar to the kind of things I've been asked IRL

>>22812302
cheers maybe later
i asked a professional to find out if i was autistic once and they gave me a long test which also said i wasn't
but i have reasonable doubts
what score did you get on the tests?

>>22812311
I don't remember which one I took, but I was about double the threshold
IRL I also struggled to answer the questions, because a lot seemed to be asking things about how other people view me (how do I know how they fucking view me? which people?), and others are worded such that they're asking multiple ambiguous questions simultaneously, which demand different answers

>>22812572
yeah, my sense was just that the whole system of discerning it is deeply flawed so I took it with a pinch of salt

same can be said of how they diagnose most mental conditions

>>22812258
Wew

>>22812258
The hecc

>>22812691
>when you can't decide who you hate more

>>22812691
kek

Woke up for a minute. Has she killed herself yet?

>>22812809
over you?

>>22812826
Any reason would be good enough

I fully understand where deject was coming from now

>>22812839
if this is what you are underneath, was it tiring to keep up the facade?

>>22812852
This is what she made me, same way she did to deject and probably Nikolas cruz. The only tiresome part was ignoring the abusive gaslighting and lying.
Now I really wish nothing but the worst for her. I hope she starts cutting again and eventually ropes.

>>22812865
when you're not idealising somebody as angelic, or devaluing them as pure evil, do you even know who you are?
are you anything whatsoever?

I can say without a doubt anything deject did to her she fully deserved it

I'll go check in with my doctor if she can admit she's lying and gaslighting (she wont) so this will continue until one if us kills ourselves. Hopefully it's her

>>22812883
>>22812907
you're mad not because she disappointed you—but because she saw through you
the more she saw, the more she pulled away

>>22812930
I don't have any alt accounts dumb nigger

>>22813072
I'm talking about you, Austin
you empty fucking narcissist

Of course you faggots will defend her trying to drive men to suicide by baiting lying and gaslighting them. It's so obvious who she is and what she does atp. She doesn't deserve to be alive. She should kill herself.

>>22813092
you've let the mask slip already
>wah-wah have sympathy for me
won't work anymore
you don't deserve sympathy and you know it

Don't care praying she kills herself. That's the only thing that could make me happy.

Hoping you find peace TF. This is no way for a man to live.

Those ugly scars aren't enough

>>22813118
nothing will make you happy
there's nobody in there to BE happy
some withered and dead remnant of what was once a person, perhaps
but a void

Please God punish her for what she does

>>22813134
don't think God's going to help you get somebody to commit suicide, or scarify their own face, mate
you could perhaps try Baphomet?

Kill yourself Ariel

You deserved whatever those scars are about

>>22813170
do you deserve to be alone?

>>22813170
you've had a long, long time on this planet to get help, to fix yourself, to learn to WANT to stop hurting everybody around you
you know there's a problem, I know there's a problem

ring your fucking doctor and sort yourself out, man

No she's lying about me and gaslighting me the same way she did to deject. I'm not checking in with my doctor when she's clearly abusing me so I'll have a mental crisis. It's already unsafe she's convinced me to take medications I probably don't need.

You need to be medicated there’s no question about that.

>>22813214
>wah-wah-wah
what part of "it's not going to work, we've already seen underneath the mask" don't you fucking understand?
your coping strategy of getting everybody to feel sowwy for you has failed
sympathy-baiting is a shit strategy for a grown man

seek medical help

He’s no longer the warrior of light.. he’s the jester of darkness :(

No Betty should kill herself

>>22813239
>she rejected me so she should die
spurned simp

I want to see her cut herself more

I want to see Betty cut...her food when she's preparing dinner in the very first Bitty cooking stream!!! Get to it Bitty!
The viewers demand you cook for us

She's just going to find a new victim

>>22813297
Yes ples Bitty :C I need chef bitty

Betty enjoys getting men to kill themselves she's been working on me for over a year

>>22813303
you're not a victim.
It appears you victimized her with your constant attempts at manipulation and you're still doing it.

hope this helps.
Grow up.
walk away.

Truth is Betty does have victims, one stream is all it takes to get sucked into Bettyworld. Do you really want out?

>>22813297
Yes!!

>>22813318
Woah I just posted someone else edit here
>>22813319

And you just posted mine.
What a coincidence

>>22813317
>pussy pass

>>22813321
now you're trying to victimize me

so I understand your name and address can be found in the archives? Is this correct?

I've never tried to manipulate Ariel, she gaslit, leaked my dms, doxxed me, encouraged me to self harm, now she made up a complete lie about me to stab me in the back and make me spiral into a suicidal mental health crisis. You're all helping her do it.

>>22813329
How many times are you gonna say the same thing over and over. I’ve read the word gaslit about 200 times

>>22813329
poor baby

did she dox you on 4chan or some other site?

I'll kill myself for you Betty. I know that's all you've ever wanted.

>>22813320
That's one of my first ever edits. It really captures everything that makes up Bettyworld

>>22813348
TF why does everything has to be to the extremes with you. Dial it back 50% please. This much hatred is clouding your mind

>>22813355
Why would she do this to me

>>22813239
post the clip faggot

>>22813348
Can you hurry up and do that already. You've already wasted your entire life Austin.

We would all prefer if you went away. All you do is bitch and spam all day and night.

>>22813370
You are forcing incorrect pieces to fit together so supports your narrative to give you an excuse to hate & lash out. If you are going to go down this path then at least be honest to yourself

>>22813387
Being honest with myself: yes I am in mental crisis and very unwell

Being honest about Betty: she made up that lie to gaslight me and drive me into crisis(again)
>my trip was hacked haha :3

>>22813402
>wah wah wah
>have sympathy for me
>I'm playing the victim

I don't see myself being able to recover from this emotionally. I understand why deject became the way he did and why he felt he had no other choice in the end.

>>22813409
>I don't see myself being able to recover from this emotionally.
PSYCHIATRIST
PHONECALL
NOW

>>22813404
Qft
I'll try to find the strength to kill myself for you all

Mostly I want to do it for Betty. That's what she wants from me I wish I was strong enough to do it for her.

>>22813416
post the 7th vid

>>22813416
>wah wah wah
>have sympathy for me
>I'm playing the victim
it's just tiring
try it as much as you want—
I know you have no other strategy—but it's not going to work now I've seen underneath
you're not my problem

call your psych

>>22813409
Lawrence never had the strength to get better, you do
>>22813420
She nor anyone else wants that for you. The ones typing to off yourself are trolls. Don't give them a reaction

>>22813424
Those are her friends

They gaslit deject with the Bonnie character now they are using it to make me have a crisis she doesn't care if I kill myself she already said it last thread

>>22813440
See how you're twisting up everything, we all wondered who Bonnie is all we knew at the time was someone who got fed up with lawrences abusive behavior

>>22813451
She made up having proof of me being that person just like she made up "I was planning to meet him one day (because I felt sorry for him)
It's not even subtle she wants me to kill myself and so do her friends this is what they do to people

I just couldn't let myself believe it for so long but it's so obvious now I want to die I can't believe she did all this to me

>>22813440
>she already said it last thread
no, she did not
and you will be unable to find her saying that
you make shit up for attention and sympathy

>>22813469
7th vid chop chop already

>>22813486
https://archive.palanq.win/bant/thread/22795571/#q22804075

>>22813504
Me "lying" is the shit she made up about me being Bonnie with no proof. I don't even know how to use a VPN.
I just want to kill myself now I feel so worthless.

I've taken so many klonopins I can't calm down I just want to die so bad

>>22813466
TF whatever may have happened, whatever may be truth or fiction, please realize these are temporary problems. Don't look for permanent solutions to temporary problems. You need to log off the internet for a while, it's not doing you any good to remain here.

>>22813510
>>22813504

Correct. No one cares. Bitty doesnt care. No one on earth cares. Go do it then and fuck off. Grown ass man btw.

No one feels bad for you. None of us are responsible for you. Bye bye!

>>22813504
what she actually wrote:
>Wow. Bullet dodged. Betty called me out for lying now I'm going to hurt myself.
>Have some accountability. You're an adult. No one has told you to do that and if you do, that's your dumb choice to make. No one in this thread is responsible for your dumb decisions myself included. Grow up. We've been nothing but nice to you. It's not our job to walk on eggshells around you.
what you made up:
>she already said she doesn't care if I kill myself
delusional fucktard

I don't understand why she keeps doing this to me

every response reinforces his trajectory
just ignore and he'll burn himself out

>>22813522
TF this person had nothing to do with us they may not like you but you're lumping us with people like him

>>22813525
you're doing it to yourself
you're not the victim here, you just don't know how to be anything else
acting the victim to elicit sympathy is the only thing you know how to do, until everybody around you is burnt-out and tired of you, and sees through you completely

go
and
ring
your
doctor

I want to do it for her but I'm scared and not strong enough. I know that's the only thing she wants from me.

>>22813537
>wah wah wah
>have sympathy for me
>I'm playing the victim

This is because of Barry januki and sirrodgerbottoms and me leaving and exposing the lolcow discord they made for stalking me.
Betty is very loyal to them they want me to kill myself like they did deject. It's the only reason she would make all this up after taking so much money from me.

>>22813550
>wah wah wah
>have sympathy for me
>I'm playing the victim

I really want to do it for her but I'm a coward and afraid to die

>>22813517
Please do this.
Whatever you may think of her a person on the internet is not worth ruining your life over or doing something permanent you can't come back from.
You can still do so much and go so far.
Just go outside and take in the sunshine, go for a long walk, maybe throw some sticks if you have to. You'll feel better.

>>22813552
>wah wah wah
>have sympathy for me
>I'm playing the victim

>>22813553
he's a vulnerable narcissist who uses sympathy to supply his ego
you're feeding him right now

She even used the same thing Barry keeps saying about sovic catfishing men about me now. It's so obvious she's doing this on purpose she wants me to do it I wish I could I don't have a gun

>>22813563
stop acting like a helpless baby-man and ring your doctor
if you won't help yourself, you can't expect others to care

at a certain point, TF, it's you

>>22813569
This is her friend

>>22813558
Yea people need to stop enabling the freak. No one in 49years of his excuse of a life has "liked" him. He will not seek help. He will not change. Bitty found his little secret. He showed everyone who he really is. In his shriveled, underdeveloped mind, he thinks he can convince everyone to hate Bitty by repeating the same retarded shit enough times.

>>22813576
Proof?

>>22813573
I don't know the woman, never had a private conversation with her, never sent her money
I don't use telegram, discord, or twitter

you're a vulnerable narcissist sympathy-whore, and a hapless man-baby
>wah wah wah
ring your fucking psych

The secret was saying she dmed me and now her friends got mad and she's trying to get me to kill myself

>>22813583
the secret was that you're a horribly broken narcissist with violent thoughts, and not a sincere-if-tragic eccentric
your awfulness and hollowness is what you tried to hide

>>22813581
I don't want to go to the doctor anymore

>>22813580
The proof is your retarded man-baby meltdown over the last 48 hours. You are so genuinely retarded lmao.

>>22813584
Yes

>>22813583
so post the 7th video

I hope I can do it for her I don't have any other reason to go on anyways

I'm gonna lose my job

>>22813600
if I roll a 2 4 or 9 you should go cum on her front door

>>22813600

>>22813600
who fucking cares
you need institutionalising

All I can feel now is sickness and anger I don't want to feel this toward someone I loved I just want to kill myself now

>>22813613
zero sympathy for you left
ring your doctor

I don't know why she would do this to me for this long I was never fake with her I exposed my whole life and she is only happy if I'm spiraling and suicidal

>>22813620
you're not the victim
you play the victim for sympathy

>>22813618
I'm not going back I don't want to keep reliving this

>>22813623
She made up those lies with the intention to hurt me

She wants me to kill myself I want to do it for her but I'm scared to

>>22813625
sympathy is how you feed your ego
people who don't supply sympathy become your enemy
you're not the victim
you're the abuser

>>22813613
You know how you can feel better? Go to a doctor, tell them you need to stay with professionals, your future self will thank you. Please go do that TF, it takes a lot of courage to admit yourself but you have to

>>22813739
Why would she say those things about me??

>>22813739
FeEd MeeE??

I'm mixing some stuff maybe it'll stop my heart if I'm lucky and I can go peacefully. Then you'll have another meme death to celebrate.

>>22813845
>more emotional manipulation

ring your doctor

Log off amigo. At this point you're repeating your ranting to no one. Betty most definitely isn't checking this thread, probably getting railed by her bf Tyrone

>>22813737

Hurry the fuck up and do it you pussy. You’re such a fucking loser holy shit lol

oh no, he's stopped responding to the thread, maybe we went too far, now I am starting to get wor-ring your doctor

I'm still here I know no one cares about me and want me to kms for the meme why talk to you

I took some more

>>22813605
XDDDDD
Tbh I doubt he actually has a job

>>22813966
This is the type of nigga to kill himself then come back next thread saying the same old shit

I can't believe someone I cared about so much really was just being fake with me this whole time. Please let me die I don't want to live with at.

She's so ashamed of saying she cared about me in DMs she's ready for me to do it. That's why she made up this lie about me.

That's how worthless I am that she is ashamed of it we never had a real closeness or trust ever she thought of me as a retarded simp and would rather see me die that an u one knowing she said she cares about me. That's not really caring about someone I am a worthless simp to you and it's obvious by now you want me to kill myself I want to do it for you I really do I'm scared to

>>22814012
>I want to do it for you
still simping for her

>>22814018
You have no idea how bad this hurts me

>>22814054
Nobody gives a fuck bro. You spent over 24hrs insulting Betty, exposing your true self and leaked all her shit. You are done bro. Its over.

Nothing left for you here. Go fuck off under trailer retard.

>>22814054
I understand. I've been there

I'm telling you to walk away. She said to log off. I'm telling you to walk away.

It hurts like dying, it hurts like having your arms ripped off. But you have to do it. You have to walk away.

she is not a bad person and you are not a saint. But you aren't meant to be together. Not right now. Maybe sometime later, but not right now. Just walk away. Go work or go fishing, whatever keeps your mind off this. Just walk away

the only way to win this is to walk away

Israel is going to be attacked soon, within 72 hours i wager (I browse /pol/ i know a thing or 2). Betty i'm sorry about your people ahead of time

>>22814012
for me it was a brunette with curly hair and huge eyes. I loved her. I had sex with her. But we weren't meant to be together, not right now.

I had to walk away.

it hurt like hell. But I walked away. Some things aren't meant to be and I have to take care of myself. We broke up over a misunderstanding. One of her friends lied about me.

you know the pain of having people lie about you and break you up. But if you're that easy to break up you weren't meant to be together.

maybe sometime later. But not now. We simply weren't meant to be together right now. Not if she's going to believe what other people say about me. There's no way past that. If she doesn't trust me we can't have a relationship.

>>22814054
that's always the risk going after someone half your age and twice your looks

You're not going to win, especially if you go begging

all men go through this. We all do.
You're going to get dumped and it's ok. She's not the one even if she's the one you always remember. Chalk it up to ambition or optimism. Aim for someone you can actually impress. Let her go. She wants you to let her go so let her go. There are others out there.

>>22814054
what I personally want from you is to buy some glass and fix the fucking lobster
fix the fucking rose

and find someone else to give it to.

there is someone out there for you treefingers. You just need to get out and get looking for her. I don't know where she is, but I do know she's out there.

>>22814941
Are you the aquarian boomer that stops by once in a while

>>22814954
I'm lots of people on 4chan

but yes, I have a 1000 gallon saltwater aquarium and I have kept lobsters in the past.

I am interested in betty's lobster and in TF's lobster. I like aquariums

>>22814865
>>22814892
>>22814892
I remembered my first love, and how difficult it was moving on after the break up. Thought I would have never find someone like her again. But eventually after 10-12 years of dating and hooking up/breaking up with a dozen women, I finally found the one after moving to Maine, in the form of a VERY passionate Mexican woman who will be my wife in a few months. But yea there will always be someone that will be your soulmate. But right now what TF needs is taking a break from here, his judgement, emotions and his critical thinking are extremely cloudy.

>>22815051
I feel good for you and your EPCOT girl. Going to EPCOT is a bigger burden than getting married.

you will do fine. My first wife was hispanic, we have a beautiful kid together.

Treefingers will find his woman. Maybe a few of them.

>>22814892
>>22814941
>>22815051
Realist shit I've ever read in these Betty threads

I felt a bit like what TF felt last year (except the suicide/harm stuff) from my first relationship/situationship and despite the pain it caused me it taught me a lot about myself and what I would like in a woman in the future and also no matter how much they seem like the perfect one eventually over some time (a year in my case) you realise there are other women who are better in other ways and ultimately it just wasn't meant to be.

Not only that but Betty is a whore so its probably a good thing she wasn't your GF + it will be easy to find a woman better than her and hopefully closer to your age next time Mr Fingers

>>22815179
all love for everyone here, but please don't disrespect betty

she reads these threads too, and she's not a whore.

women have a different situation than we do. If we were women we'd be doing what she does.

>>22815220
I know she reads the threads, and I understand women have a different situation than we do.
But I do not believe that can be used as an excuse, sometimes life gives you set backs, which means you just gotta work a bit harder.

We can agree to disagree, but out of respect for you sir, I shall hold my tongue on insulting Betty.

See TF, there's a whole world out there for you. Don't throw it all away over just one girl.
You're clever, you're funny, you're talented, you've got gifts that shouldn't be wasted. Get out there in the world and let it know you exist.

>>22815267
women have it easy in my opinion.

look hot and people give you cash

men have to work
but this is no reason for disrespect. Women and men are both capable of being whole people of merit and value. Betty was extremely kind to TF for over a year from what I saw, and she didn't need to be. She is worthy of respect just as much as he is.

I don't know her personally beyond seeing her be nice to Tf when she didn't need to be. So I don't know. I think every accusation he levels against her is probably true, just like everything she said about him is obviously true. They both speak truth. That's pretty fucking cool. Can't have a fucking friendship without honesty

ymmv

>>22815267
end of the day we blamed Helen for the death of Hector and Paris. But it's not betty's fault Nick Cruz shot up a school or deject shot up his circle of willis

If TF blows his tortured brains out that also won't be betty's fault.

we are not responsible for what other people do to try to win us. Helen is not responsible for those thousand ships.

I don't imagine Betty is any Helen of Troy, but TF can't blame her for Parkland, dject, or his own self-imolation. It simply doesn't work that way. We are all responsible for our own actions. We don't get to blame betty for whatever the fuck we decide to do.

>>22815315
I agree

And a fair point with Betty being nice overall and to TF.
But to clarify, I've only been on these Betty threads for around 2 weeks, all I have seen from TF is hate and sorrow, with the occasional pitiful accusation with no evidence against Betty, or even Betty making a accusations against TF with no evidence, as far as I am concerned it's all emotional petty rubbish, but still fun to watch as harsh as that sounds.

It's also a shame as they obviously care about each other and its ended up like this.
Hopefully they can both take lessons from this experience and move on

>>22815526
I don't know shit about either of them except betty bought a lerbster for her fish tank and TF blew a glass implosion lobster for her

aside from that I'm a newfag itt

I showed up one time because betty posted her snatch dyed pretty pink and it caught my eye

I was just fleeing the 15 minute cool down and email verification on /biz/ and decided to see what's going on on bant

>>22815562
>snatch dyed pretty pink
I gotta see that XDDDDDDD

>>22815587
it's in the archives

sorry I don't know /bant/ archives

I know warosu and desu but I don't know /bant/

>>22815587
someone here has the pic

I didn't save it because it's just another pussy

cute, but not something I want on my hard drive. Maybe someone can post it

>>22815643
https://archive.palanq.win/bant

>>22815671
preciated

can't remember a word to search for that time betty dyed her pussy pink though

>>22815693
closest I found

I bet TF has the pic

>>22815707
That is pretty funny
Thx

>>22815719
np it's what first got me into the thread

I stayed for the lobsters tho

>>22815737
now we have all destroyed our lobsters

I assume betty's lobster is dead
and I know treefinger's lobster is smushed

so it might be time for me to walk off

but I still like seeing betty's pretty pink pussy and treefingers' smushed lobsters so I'll probably keep right on bumping this thread.

>>22815707 had she just grew a landing strip and dyed that it would’ve been hot af but she just plastered the entire thing no fucks given lol

she's never going to come back here again as long as the schizo is spamming

>>22815829
skin and hair and everything was pink. She's adorable

>>22815829
There's a recurring theme that Betty doesn't put much thought in her actions

>>22815844
you assume

fact is she was probably wrong about treefingers being bonnie. She accused dject of being bonnie right up until he died

in real life bonnie is probably bonnie. No way to know but she's as paranoid as TF is accusing him of being her

and someday she might realize it and feel bad for how she acted because she is a good person.

meanwhile treefingers is a fucking asshole but at least he's not bonnie or deject.

it might work out

>>22815844
also I doubt either betty or tf can stay away from this thread

they're both enormous attention whores

>>22815865
>Betty doesn't put much thought in her actions
She's admitted before she's impulsive, but that's par the course for borderline personality disorder girls.

>>22815911
a person is not a label

I've been turned down by at least as many BPD women as I've fucked.

>>22815871
>fact is she was probably wrong about treefingers being bonnie
agreed
if he is bonnie, him doing that bit where he was bonnie doing a bit parodying TF would've been genius
it would be too self-aware though; I don't believe it's him

>>22815994
yeah I also don't think he's smart enough or conscious enough to pull off bonnie

>>22815953
>a person is not a label
Yeah, sure.

>>22815994
It is interesting that Bonnie hasn't shown up since all this went down.

>>22816010
>It is interesting that Bonnie hasn't shown up since all this went down.
she was silent for almost a month after deject died
but apparently that didn't mean she was deject

summoning bonnie with sapphic faux-klimt and chinese music

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxM1tjTvFAc

>>22815844
She will probably lurk though

>>22816051
and what I can only assume is a richly symbolic picture of some sickly pigeons in an ASDA car park

>>22816017
What's even more interesting is tf accidentally von posted under a NZ flag and if you check the archives they have been posting the exact same YT links for a year.

>>22816158
Also

>>22816142

>>22816172
And betty only hinted she thought be might be pretending to be someone itt before his melty started and he started bonnie tier posting. (Unrelenting with similar remarks and phrasing consistent with Bonnie)

>>22816187
if betty accuses enough people of being bonnie eventually she'll be right

>>22816173
ah, baudrillard!

>>22816209
lol

>>22816187
Prior to djects suicide his ex (random "girl" with only a single fake picture to prove her identity) showed up in the 4chan threads speaking exactly like tf while attacking the both of them. Betty clearly noticed something was off and that it obviously wasn't just some scorned exe but instead thought it was dject himself which is fair. Dject and tf sound almost identical and have been constantly confused with one another.
It is likely that tf got jealous of the negative attention dject was getting or was jealous that betty even talked about him.

>>22816247
c'mon

it's almost impossible to tell one schizo simp from another

for all you know I'm bonnie. or for all I know you are. "she'" is a dude that wants to fuck betty but that's a diamond dozen here

the only hint I see is that bonnie and tf don't show up in the same threads

but then bonnie and deject also rarely interacted, no?

>>22816247
His melty to me really came off as so extreme because he was caught. If it wasnt him why would he be so triggered by the accusation. He clearly wears a mask (bonnie or not)

>>22816278
It's honestly weird since betty never directly accused him of being bonnie directly she said she thought he was pretending to be someone else.

>>22816278
he spent over a year grooming and preening

this is his whole life. Caught or not he can't afford to just walk away. He's invested most of his money and a lot of his time on her

fwiw I don't think TF is smart enough to be bonnie. I do think he's conscious enough to understand betty saw through him

>>22816301
she posted another message to me saying she thought he was bonnie

I said,
>didn't you say deject was bonnie?

and she never answered

>>22816247
>https://archive.palanq.win/bant/thread/22766082/#q22780238
kiwi accent, ostensibly enbreasted, referencing her own previous posting of ASMR vids
what do you make of that?

>>22816317
treefingers will hang himself and bonnie will be right back a week later posting poetry

>>22816303
You could be right. I guess the outcome is kindof the same regardless. I think it's more interesting to assume he is Bonnie and TF is far more deranged than we thought. Him creating the persona for attention is pretty on-spot.

>>22816303
They're the same person. Why do you think TF always says "alright guys I'm going to bed" before Bonnie shows up? If you actually look at the archives you'll see why betty thinks tf is bonnie. I didn't see it at first either. He plays stupid. He's 50 years old. Much wiser than he acts.
If you're too lazy to go through the archives just admit it. But don't pretend like you know what's going on.

>>22816336
that would be amazing and I'd instantly have more respect for tf.

I just don't think he's up to that sort of genius.
bonnie is smarter than tf. More cultured than tf.

just my 2 cents
I love tf for his tortured soul, but bonnie is a whole nother level

>>22816349
>If you're too lazy to go through the archives just admit it. But don't pretend like you know what's going on.
ok thanks

suck my balls I was here for the whole thing.

i was here before you.. I know what TF is talking about with parkland and cruz.

I lurk
I watch
I laugh

>>22816336
If I was going to accuse anyone of being bonnie it would be bitty

she's the only one in this shit show that seems smart enough to pull it off

>>22816247
>exe
This post was done by Betty without a trip. I know that spelling for "ex-" is only done by you, Betty. Learn to hide your tells better.

>>22816424
hivemind

Hear me out
Sovic was obsessed about calling Bonnie deject’s tulpa
I bet it’s Sovic who came up with the new theory that Bonnie is tfers on a VPN
Who’s an unhinged Australian piece of shit, known for running gay ops and fucking with the community and might be more likely to use an obscure VPS from New Zealand?
Secret Axis telegram group is still going strong, except the only people from the old crew left in it are Sovic and JT
Sovic had an urgent need to discuss something with Betty in DMs at 1AM on Monday of this week, not sure what that was all about
I’d rather believe that Bonnie is Sovic
When there’s fuckery going on, it’s somehow always tied to Sovic
How’s them apples?

>>22816459
Autism strikes again.

>>22816459
for all we known they're all sovic

>>22816459
The file name is hypocritical cuz not that long ago you posted a link to some hour long “philosophical” YouTube video about how women are evil or something

>>22816459
now turn him into george droyd

>>22816476
>for all we known they're all sovic
Now we're cooking

>>22816459
Omg is that what he really looks like?

>>22816527
>now turn him into george droyd
Fent reactors: Activated
Oxygen levels: 0%

>>22816575
these are art

>>22816575
Sup, Barry. What's your thoughts on the recent TF melty?

>>22816575
Sovic has been trying to convince everyone bonnie isn't tf and it's starting to annoy betty. he refuses to actually look through the archives or hear any arguments and thinks because dject once stated he had a vc with bonnie she is real. Dject is a great source to site when proving a point. Very reliable. Also sovic has a soft spot for tf and kept him in the tg after his melty for some reason. So you're basically siding with sovic atp and bc you went all skullcord and ditched out for no reason you don't even know the full story. But yeah. Just make up more rumors.

>>22816628
Just fuck eachother already. Also you're not fooling anyone . We all know it's you chomo. I guess betty still lives rent free in your head while you live rent free in your moms trailer closet. That's pretty funny.

>>22816677
You're having me confused with either Treefaggots or Bad Ideas

>>22816677
Yeah they definitely need to just get it over with and fuck desu. I can feel the sexual tension between those two through the screen.

>>22816685
Kys matthew

>>22816696
Lmfao I'm not Skull, dumbass. Nigga has already forgotten about you simps and Betty for the past month, doing his own thing and dating Channing.

>>22816738
You just confirmed it again
>Cmon now, really
>REALLY???
I'll give him a chance, he might forget about all this for a minute to work on his AI slop, how's the bandcamp coming along

>>22816895

>>22816895
Skull is busy digging through trash for sams sloppy seconds and ebegging for money to buy toe pics.

>>22817173
Those payment trans pdfs in tg were whack. Skull spent more money than tf and didn't even get an actual pussy pic.

GN everyone. I have my alarm on for an hour before fishtank goes live. Oh & Betty sorry about your people in Israel then again you're a Sephardic princess so maybe they're not affected, idk much about petrology or whatever :/

The Strawberry Moon is for love and healing.
Let's be better to each other and share in the human commonwealth of joy.

test

have I posted in here yet?

I watched a betty clip and felt bad after hearing her voice because sounded retarded ToT <— me cryingerino because I may have bullied a retarded womanerino waaaaah....


when exactly do women get the milf voice? I notice bimbos don't have a milf voice unless old

hey

hey

hey

hey

I know you see me :3

respond!!

>>22816424
lol busted

>>22816459
Sovic creeps me out

>>22816738
lol skull and channing are not dating he told me she likes some Canadian/Serbian dude

>>22817181
skull sent betty money? bruh

Took all my pills but I'm still alive will have to wait til my refill and try mixing it with something stronger

First she lied I was deject now I'm Bonnie. She's doing it on purpose she knows I'm not. I will kill myself for her. It's all she ever wanted.

I'm scared to die but I want to do it for her. She wants me to that's the only reason she would keep doing this to me

my dad has a .22 but i worry thats not strong enough

>>22817648
It's not you're just hurt yourself
you need atleast 9mm hollow point to the temple but don't do it
she's killed enough don't give her the satisfaction

>>22817655
i have to you dont understand

>>22817710
yo can you repost this one before you kys https://limewire.com/d/wKlEN#GQi5xvZrjQ
jk dont kys

i have to i wont be able to continue my life carrying this with me

shes knows im not that person its one of her friends and they are both trying to hurt me. they want to know they've made me kill myself.
i have no reason to live anyways my life is already terrible and i tried to open my heart to someone and they do this to me. i dont want to live in this world anymore.

>>22817700
y

>>22817757
Turn the screen off and go to work. Spend some time in the sun doing physical activity. Talk about the weather with your coworkers. Just do anything that isn't this for your own sake.

yea you should just unplug
Betty isn't worth dying for
she's not even real
this is just a manufacturered persona to bait simps for money
half of what she says is bs anyway she's wearing a mask

i want to do it for her.

she wouldnt do this unless she wanted me to. i loved her, i want to give her what she wants. this is the only affection i know.

i really thought she cared about my mental health and wanted me to get better but it was just building me up to take from me and then gaslight me into another meltdown so i would hurt myself.
this is the only thing she likes about me i dont want to hurt myself anymore i just want to die i want to do it for her

i cant live with this

i truly thought she cared about me but this was all another game. im afraid to die im a coward god please give me the strength

https://archive.palanq.win/bant/thread/22784377/#q22795249

after this is when everything changed. its the same people from the lolcow discord who were trying to get me to kill myself. shes friends with them. i was just another deject or nikolas to them. i want to kill myself so bad.

i missed work again

>>22810887 (OP)
how much can I pay her to groom me

i know she likes when i self harm but i havnt been able to since i started the medication. i want to do it for her though.

>>22817833
what meds?

im just not strong enough to give her what she wants to see

>>22817842
is this the first time to get rejected?

i still love her. she knows im sick and i should die thats why she picked me for this. i trust her judgement. im just too cowardly to go through with it so i lash out because im mentally ill

>>22817850
this is the first time ive fallen for a girl who her and her friends gaslit me into a severe mental crisis and want me to hurt myself. idk what to do im scared to die i dont have a gun. i took all my pills its 11 days before i can get another refill maybe i can kill myself with the whole bottle and some kind of painkiller.
ive always been a meme for their community. ill kill myself somehow its what everyone wants to see especially betty. i want to give her what she wants.

>>22817872
You should use the opportunity to stay off the meds and start taking NAC supplement

>>22817872
also tell your mom and dad they can help better than the internets.

>>22817872
I can understand being lonely and staring into the void

>>22817878
i started taking the meds for her because she told me i needed them but she was trolling me into a crisis i dont think she actually expected me to get help so she did it again and made it even worse this time. i just want to give her what she wants. ive never felt this way before where i loved someone and they actually want me to kill myself and will say any lie to make me do it. i dont know how to process it. if this is what she wants then i should do it for her. thats how i can prove myself.

>>22817852
Dude, you’re using the threat of suicide and cash app donations to get a woman to talk to you. That is so incredibly fucked up and weird.

i dont want to her talk to me shes not a real person she wants me to kill myself and i want to do it for her

Do a flip treefingers

>>22817896
fucked up but not weird, you wouldn't believe how many men today are sending money to the sluts

>>22817896
This niggas off his ass of course hes fucking weird.

Suicide baiting old man that got pissed because an egirl doesn't love him.

Get rekt treefaggot

theres no logical reason she would make up this stuff about me.
if she doesnt want me alive then i dont want to be anymore

im going to get fired

Good morning freaks and friendos

>TF threatening suicide again
Better not do it, especially over a roastie. Your dad will be sad

iv taken 4000mg of obuprofen and about 16+klonopins i cant remember i dont think its strong enough to work

the benzo crash is going to be horrible maybe that will give me the extra push i need. betty im sorry i wish i could be strong enough to give you what you wanted.

>>22817921
It’s the combination of the two that makes it weird to me. Even if it wasn’t and was just donations it’s still weird to me as that’s not something I’d ever in my life consider doing. Just because plenty of other men do doesn’t make it any less weird. You kind of just showed us your hand.

>>22817954
At this point just deep throat your vehicles exhaust pipe and get on with it you deranged motherfucker.

>>22817956
I wonder if he is the one making all these fishtank live threads?

i took more im starting to feel really sick

hope you guys are enjoying the show i know this is what you live for

Call the hospital and tell them what you're doing.

>>22814054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWYJzi_6umo

betty knew from the first day i DMed her last year that i was mentally unwell thats why she chose me for gaslighting and pushing me to self harm and eventually suicide. i want to give her what she wants. i truly thought i found a special person. ive never felt so stupid please god let me die.

>>22817960
i have one person in my life who truly cares about me i hate to leave him behind but im just a burden on him and completely co-dependent. im a worthless human being i only want to die.

>>22818011
why link these at me i already admitted im mentally ill. im trying to kill myself as best i can im just scared.

im not smart enough to do the math on LD-50 of ibuprofen

im hoping mixing it with high dose klonopins will work its all i have right now. i wish i didnt run out so early i could have used more.

>>22818027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB-hzpn6nMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeYmtE8QZrU

think im up to 10000mg probably still not nearly enough

>>22818032
If you really wanna get it done just call 911 and tell them you’re holding your family hostage and when they arrive run outside like a man possessed and fill your arms like crazy. If you wouldn’t mind streaming it live, I would greatly appreciate it.

>>22818052
Flail**

>>22818052
please just leave me alone you guys win

i take more everytime youpost

>>22818063
>if you post I'll kill myself
you see how it's just for control?
it's the final escalation of your emotional manipulation
fuck you, you awful cunt

>>22818069
Exactly. This dude is evil.

>>22818069
ok

think im close to 20000mg now

>>22818076
it's not my problem
ring your doctor, or don't
up to you
idgaf

He won't kill himself, he only says that to get Bettt's attention. Threatening suicide or constantly saying you'll kill yourself is very woman-coded. People that will actually follow through never shown any signs of feeling suicidal.

>>22818094
it's a very useful tell for when it's performative
please never tell people where they're going wrong

Age 37, born Feb 1988
Wellborn, 32094 Florida
Austin Lee Neely, 37 years old, is currently listed at 7909 168th St, Wellborn, 32094 Florida

Wellness check this guy

>>22818122

The flying monkeys are doxxing for Betty agai. They've been trying to get me to go through with this for a year.

Archives got me a name you nigger.
Do not die

https://archive.palanq.win/bant/thread/20908620/#q20912829

I'm giving her what she wants I'm her next deject they all are in on it

GM everyone
>>22818135
TF your info is in the archives. Go to the doctor so they can stabilize you. This behavior isn't normal, you're in the extremities of your mental issues. Do it for a fellow Feb bro?

>>22818165
My info is in the archives because she doxxed me in the thread after I bought something I ng for her on etsy. How can an u one not see she wants me to kill myself by now? Please just let me be and I will find the strength to it and make her and her inner circle happy

Call 911 dawg
They'll help you

I want to do it for you Betty I really loved you and you wanted me dead from the m I ment you knew and saw I had mental issues. I trust you know who is a bad person and deserves to kill themselves. I am another deject and obviously I don't deserve to live. I will give my life to you even knowing how you truly feel. I want it to be my final display of compassion that i am sorry for being low iq and flawed and emotionally mentally unstable men like me deserve to die and be erased

>>22818175
Why kill yourself when you could just leave this all behind you and start fresh? It’s especially easy to do that since it’s just internet stuff. Betty would not want you to kill yourself and you also wouldn’t be doing her any favors because if another person connected to her dies she’s going to get blamed like hell for it.

>>22818122
On it

>>22818175
GO GET HELP YOU NEED IT, someone IRL needs to slap the fuck out of you and knock some sense back. Forget everything else & go get help, nobody wants to see you off yourself why do you keep repeating that bs. No death cult exists get that stupid shit out of your mind
>Do it for a fellow Feb bro?
See it's a sign you should listen to me

Why would she
>lie and say I'm deject
>leak all my dms
>call me gay for cutting
>dox me for buying her etsy
>fake EMS call at mightnight
>only talk to me for cashapp donations
>accuse me of having alt accounts
>implicate me in the catfishing and suicide of deject
>say she has no pity for me because of this and doesn't care if I commit suicide

It's so obvious. I loved her I have to do this. I'm just scared.

Well, he’s about to have visitors and apparently they’re familiar with him already.

>>22818231
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKJSdasLPc

I should have bought alxhohol first I think that's what's missing but I'm probly can't drive rn. Around 30000mg

>>22818122
Did my part. Better stay put and not do anything gay that will make cops uneasy

>>22818236
I'm going to tell them the girl involved with the parkland shooter and another recent suicide sent them as an attempt to swat me

>>22818252
you've taken 30000mg
they'll notice

Don't care Betty wants me to kms and I want to do it for her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAw7WbI4Tlk

You guys don't have to push me anymore I'm ready to go

TF it will feel better to be under the care of these professionals. You don’t have to worry about much, you just let them take care of everything.

>>22818274
>people calling the police to do a wellness check
>pushing you to suicide
yeah, nah, you're a cunt

>>22818252
Yeah, you go ahead and do that. After they 5150 you I’m going to take Betty to breakfast where we will use your donations specifically to enjoy a magnificent vegan meal.

Very authentic and caring replies. I think I'll take a few more,

>>22818295
you're an emotionally abusive manipulator and you don't deserve sympathy

>>22818313
I agree.
There's a lot more than just that wrong with me. Look at all the horrible things I said to Betty in a manic state. I'm not even a real person. I don't deserve to live.

If that's what I'd say to a person I love imagine what I would say to a person I hate. I need to erase myself I'll never be a good normal person.

Betty is smart enough she can quickly identify an unstable man and this how is she chooses who to gaslight and lead on.
It's actually in-line with karma because these are bad people, Andrew, Nikolas, and myself included are all awful mentally broken men who could ruin some woman's life one day.
So by trolling, gaslightimg, baiting money out of them by pretending she likes them is completely justified.
Nikolas should have killed himself though.
I do not belong in this world and the love I feel with in my heart vs the anger I feel in my psychotic mind I know she is right. I deserve to be pushed to this, even if it takes gaslighting or lying. People like me shouldn't be alive.

>>22818409
I agree with everything up until the very last part, insomuch as I believe in the sanctity of human life, and don't want to incur any legal or ethical liability whatsoever from your little performance
you're a product of your environment, but you also don't want to get better, even though you access to the tools to do so
the last part is what makes you a piece of shit—the personal choice to continue wallowing

It's my ego that's wants to live and be right but my spirit knows I am wrong and it's time to end this

>>22818465
*have access to the tools

I'm at 14,400mg I don't this going to work

>>22818496
>was at ~30,000mg
>now at precisely 14,400mg

do a flip

>a person who has consumed 30 grams of ibuprofen would not be compos mentis, lucid, or capable of coherent speech 1 hour and 40 minutes later — unless the claim is false or very distorted.

>>22818529
I've just been guessing it was a bottle of 31x1000mgs minus a couple but they are all gone now and my klonopins too I need to find something else maybe I will try driving to the store to get alxhohol maybe I can make it there

>>22818546
I've spread them out since about 11am I'll do this for you guys somehow I promise

>>22818547
>Lucid speech at nearly 2 hours post-ingestion would be clinically remarkable and very suspect without treatment.

>>22818551
11pm idk whatever the thing is before midnigjt

>>22818556
>midnigjt
>"I'll start misspelling some stuff now, so it seems more legit"
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0

>>22818295
why do you like betty so much

Actually your right that was a 21 CT bottle not 31 800mg with 2 missing so tha y would be 15250mg
And only like 7mg of klonopin probly nowhere near enough I'd need entire month script of both at once for a better chance I should really try to get some alcohol from the store

>>22818546
1 gam = 1000mg fyi

Klonopins are very slow in the system too
I'm try to walk around some see if I can make it to the store for alxhol without seeming too weird

>>22818658
Go somewhere public, sit down, call 911 and tell them you're a person in distress in need of help.
Your future self will thank you very very much.

I feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack

>>22818683
how much blood have you vomited 3 hours in?

Why is Betty attracting the photographer pedo? Also why are Betty and Summer trying to get back into Fishtank or be fishtank-adjacent if both already burned their bridges?

I successfully made it to the store for alcohol. Some Truman show nigger in front of me buying but wraps and lotto tickers but I made it out just in time. I'm pretty sure they know something was up with me though
Anyways let's see what this does hopefully make something happen

I have pieder nsaid packs too but I don't want to just vomit blood I'm really preferring to die peacefully as possible

If you kill yourself, you go to hell, which is a way worse place than where you currently are

I don't believe in God anymore after this

>>22819001
That's ok, God believes in you no matter what

Treefingers, don't kill yourself. Januki is coming ro your house for tea.

>>22817947
Nigga gave himself a stomach ache.
Go to the hospital retard

>>22820054
Hello, Januki! How was your tea?

Anyone think treeniggers is still alive?

>>22820553
he absolutely is

>>22820553
he's lurking the thread, harvesting sympathy to fuel his next performance

>>22820542
who?

>>22820681

Who? Januki, man. The Legendary Scottish Hitler?

>>22820681
every single Union Jack poster

>>22818949
She did even worse at the show in new york. Ariel was flirting with luke of all people. Jet asked ariel out for drinks and she stonecold rejected him in front of everyone. Continued flirting with luke like nothing happened. Iirc she was into jet? Maybe the claire stuff got her jealous. Just hope luke doesn't catch heat over it. Not sure what all the jet saved my life and fishtank audition teehee xD stuff is. Probably attention whoring or fuck man this woman makes no sense ever.

>>22820799
>Jet asked ariel out for drinks and she stonecold rejected him in front of everyone.
to prevent any electrical infetterence

>>22820799
damn lol. It was that obvious?

>>22820734
thats before my time

>>22820769
was accused of being barry before lol

>>22820799
cool story, bro

>stonecold rejected him in front of everyone
Wonder what that would look like, find it hard to believe tbqh

>>22820887
evening, Januki

>>22820902
evening, Januki

>>22820887
You took the bait. They won.

>calls production geniuses
tentatively rachel pilled so far

>there's only 1 rachel ahavah
WALKING ALONG
SINGING A SONG
WALKING IN A RACHEL WONDERLAND

If TFers is dead then Betty and her gooners killed another one of her fans. This has to be the most.fucked up group around. Which makes Betty the most fucked up person for enabling and participating in this shit.

>>22821215
if he's dead he did it to himself
he had ample opportunity to get treatment, and nobody pushed him towards hurting himself but the seethers
everybody here—Betty included—treated him with kid gloves

>>22820799

Got any more insider knowledge? Betty always lies so it'll be interesting to hear some truth.

>>22821336
back to /ftl/ with you

>>22821336
need more insider sauce
we seek the truth

And so /bbg/ dies with a whimper...

>>22822092
treefucker ruined the vibe and now Ariel is busy getting her back blown out by her bf or some mde orbiter. Rumor says both?

It's never been so over

Was watching S4. how is Treeniggers getting on?

>>22822197
radio silence, at least here
lurking, sectioned, dead—Schroedinger's Finger
couple of anons separately claimed to have called in wellness checks

>>22822386
>wellness checks

Thats good im not a bettyfag i only know him from the ftl2 threads was just wondering. i heard he was not in a good way.

>>22821215
You’re next faggot fucker

>>22822395
no, not in a good way at all
he's ill, and aware of it, but was refusing psychological help despite a room of people urging him to seek it
looked to me like he was attempting to use a fake or exaggerated suicide attempt as an emotional manipulation, to regain Betty as his narcissistic supply, after she made clear he was cut off for good (for this exact kind of behaviour)

the man was lucid (and seemingly more compos mentis than he was letting on) several hours after ostensibly taking 30g(!) of ibuprofen—a medical marvel right here in the thread
he dutifully continued posting throughout the seizures and blood-vomiting he must've been enduring

it's part of a recurring pattern of using threats of suicide and self-harm as a tool to get what he wants, nothing really out of character
suffers a narcissistic collapse; does this; disappears; pops up later good as new—I won't believe he's dead until I see proof