The seed oil schizos literally didn't exist on /pol/ before 2020 but during covid schizo era they started hating on seed oils all of the sudden.

>>22842341 (OP)
It's a psyop for retards to get heart disease by replacing seed oils with saturated fats.

>>22842341 (OP)
Japanese use vegetable oil in everything they look much healthier than americans

>>22842341 (OP)
picrel proof I'm not lying

This is when schizo mutts started blaming their obesity and health problems on seed oils.

are PUFAs good for you

>>22842344
So new knowledge cannot be accepted because it's "new"? Wow. People talk glibly about science. What is Science? People coming out of the University with a Master’s degree or a Ph.D., you take them into the field and they literally don’t believe anything unless it’s a peer-reviewed paper. That is the only thing they accept, and you say to them, "Let’s observe, let’s think, let’s discuss", they don’t do it. Only "it is in a peer-reviewed paper or not?" that is their view of science. I think it’s pathetic. Gone into universities as bright young people, they come out of it braindead not even knowing what science means. They think it means peer-reviewed papers, etc. No! That’s academia. And if a paper is peer-reviewed it means everybody thought the same therefore they approved it. An unintended consequence is that when new knowledge emerges, new scientific insight can never ever be peer-reviewed. So we are blocking all new advances in science, that are big advances. If you look at the breakthroughs in science almost always they don’t come from the center of that profession, they come from the fringe. The finest candlemakers in the world couldn’t even think of electric lights. They don’t come from within, they often come from outside the bricks. We’re going to kill ourselves because of stupidity.

the 2020 thing is not true, the fat wars have been going on for decades. over 50 years. its one fat producer telling you the other fat producers sell poison to you. every few years you get some new variation of it. its all hidden ad campaigns

I can afford olive oil in a glass bottle. Yes, I can save a bit by buying sunflower oil in plastic. But why the fuck would I? I don't even care whether it's 'healthy'. I want that supreme virgin olive taste. Fuck yous.

>>22842341 (OP)
In all honesty it’s probably a marketing psyop. Some doctor on Xwitter went all in on them and his wife was selling seed oil-free shopping guides and recipe books and it was later found out the doctor had some financial stake in a seed oil “alternative”.
Seed oils are probably legit pretty bad for you if for no other reason than they are heavily processed.

I don't give a shit, I use pic related for cooking and for salads.

Crazy, I know...

>>22842348
yes olive oil has a taste to it. sunflower oil doesnt. thats why you need sunflower for most recipes. no one wants some cake with olive oil taste

>>22842343
the west doesn't get vegetable oil, it get's vegetable oil/and or onions/canola oil*
stop being stupid

>>22842341 (OP)
I'm more of a lard guy myself. Haram and assur, just how I like it.

>>22842353
vegetable oil is any seed oil rapesneed sunflower etc

>>22842352
You can buy olive oil with neutral taste if you wish. It doesn't have to be cold-pressed virgin oil. You can have mechanically extracted heated flavourless olive oil. But personally I use butter for cakes.

>>22842341 (OP)
Kosovo is Albania, cope fucking nigger.

>>22842341 (OP)
My mother doses everything with suncokretensko ulje, it pisses me off. She doesn't want to hear about my based sneedoil takes. Just use lard, mom. Your parents used lard, their parents used lard, what's wrong with lard?

>>22842341 (OP)
>>22842344
2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHnPinYI2Yc
2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM
>>22842350
Olive is a fruit

>>22842352
Use butter nigga.

>>22842352
>no one wants some cake with olive oil taste
never heard of people using oil for cakes

>>22842343

>>22842356
if your olive oil doesnt have a taste to it then it is chemically cleaned lamp oil. this is usually the cheapest olive oil you can get. its because the aromas are washed out together with the cleaning agent
>>22842361
>>22842360
>>22842356
bros just because you dont know the recipes doesnt mean you have to comment. give it a google

>>22842347
The media loves to sensationalize bad research/conclusions from studies which is what gives the impression of "fat wars" being a thing. There was no such thing. There has been a consensus on PUFAs being a healthier alternative to saturated fats for over 50 years now in the scientific community without any credible research to prove it otherwise.

In other words the media is just being the media, lying fucks that make money spreading bullshit and profiting off sensationalism. Image related.

>>22842341 (OP)
I allays avoid buying smrdian products and buy Croatian products instead even if they are more expensive.

Seed oils are rich in Omega-6 (PUFA) which are inflammatory and cause heart disease among other things. It's called the "French Paradox" because the French eat the most saturated fat in thekwirld but have the least heart disease. It's about as puzzling as why vaxxies are dying more often.

>>22842341 (OP)
because (((they))) don't control the whole Eastern European market
no really, that is literally the only reason

>>22842341 (OP)
>Why did Schizos start hating Seed Oils?
The number one reason is the naturalistic fallacy, because it's highly processed.

But I don't know everything and monounsaturated fat has a better track record than PUFA so I use olive or avocado at home.

>>22842363
Just replace the rapesneed oil with butter or clarified butter. Nigger

>>22842361
What?! You never heard of the famous american oil cakes?

i only buy raw animal fat in buckets

>>22842356
>>22842363
Where can I buy this? Even the cheapest olive oil I can find is extra virgin. It's actually a problem because some things just don't work with the olive taste.

>>22842369
you nigga im not going to change my ancestors traditional recipes, why do you people keep telling me this

>>22842350
That's expensive as fuck and the Bertolli oil is bottom tier. That's the Lidl/Aldi basic bitch choice, avoid. Buy some 5 Liter Kanister of Kreta Olivenöl. Chances are, you'll get a far superior product for the same price or less. Especially avoid Italian oil, they lie and mislabel their oil like you wouldn't believe.
I buy my oil from a local farmer who has his own Barska Žutica trees, peak quality for 12 EUR/Liter.

>>22842366
Better pic. Blue = poison

>>22842373
Your ancestors didn't use machine lubricant in their recipes, stop lying nigger

>>22842366
you need 3 and 6 to be in ratio, neither is 'good' or 'bad' on their own really

>>22842366
Myth: Omega-6 causes inflammation and heart disease.

This is a misrepresentation of research. While omega-6 fatty acids can be involved in inflammatory pathways, they also have anti-inflammatory roles, and their net effect in the body is not inherently pro-inflammatory when consumed in a balanced diet.

Studies & Meta-analyses (AHA, NIH, BMJ, etc.) show:

Replacing saturated fat with PUFAs, including omega-6, reduces LDL cholesterol and lowers heart disease risk.

The American Heart Association recommends PUFAs for cardiovascular health.

A 2014 meta-analysis in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found no evidence that higher omega-6 intake increases inflammation in healthy people.

Conclusion: There is no strong evidence that omega-6 from seed oils causes heart disease or systemic inflammation in humans.

Myth: The French Paradox proves saturated fat is harmless.

This overlooks lifestyle and dietary context:

The French eat smaller portions, more fresh produce, drink red wine (with antioxidants), and consume less processed food.

Their total calorie intake and smoking rates have historically differed as well.

Newer large cohort studies (e.g. PURE study, 2017) suggest that context matters — but this does not vindicate high saturated fat intake, especially from ultra-processed sources.

Conclusion: The "French Paradox" doesn’t prove saturated fat is healthy — it just shows that diet and health are multifactorial, and correlation ≠ causation.

Seed oils oxidise easily.

Fat you eat goes in your cell walls.

Eating hard fat like butter which doesnt oxidise easily is better.

Therefore eating butter protects cells more than seed oil, on the long term.

Source: mice tests

>>22842341 (OP)
Paleos have been denouncing seed oils since forever (i.e., since 2000 at least). It finally started to catch on with normies a few years ago.

>>22842366
Claim 3: "It's about as puzzling as why vaxxies are dying more often."
Completely false and inflammatory (pun intended).

This is a conspiracy theory, not a scientifically grounded claim.
The best and most comprehensive data from countries with open healthcare systems (e.g., UK, US, Canada, Scandinavia) show:

COVID-19 vaccines drastically reduce risk of severe illness and death.

Mortality rates in vaccinated populations are lower, not higher — especially when accounting for age and comorbidities.

Claims that "vaxxed people are dying more" often cherry-pick raw data without adjusting for confounding factors (e.g. older populations being more vaccinated).

Conclusion: This is misinformation and has been debunked by public health agencies, peer-reviewed studies, and mortality statistics worldwide.

>>22842355
you don't get it, they legislate precisely how labels should be so they don't have to disclose that it's not what it's being sold as

they can sell you something with 'vegetable oil' in it, and it can be all soibean oil

>>22842366
>Omega-6 (PUFA) which are inflammatory
Not an issue if you eat enough omega-3. If you don't get enough omega-3s you're going to have a bad time regardless.
>cause heart disease
Nope.
>the "French Paradox"
Nice observational studies bro. We have randomized controlled trials, cohorts, studies of mechanism and more regarding PUFAs and cardiovascular disease.

>>22842383
Oh and intervention trials I forgot to mention. Where they replace saturated fats with seed oils and see a direct benefit regarding cardiovascular events over years.

>>22842342
Humans have been eating saturated fats for hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of years. Suddenly, though, it's supposed to be dangerous. Nigger, it's what we're adapted to eat.

>>22842381
you sound vaccinated.

>>22842374
thanks for the info, will check it out

>>22842372
Just go to Aldi or Lidl. Buy the yellow stuff. It sometimes says 'suitable for frying' or something like that. It is never green, always yellow.

>>22842374
Yeah, you should be able to track the oil to the producer. This is some good shit imo and pretty cheap too.

>>22842381
based and chat-gpt pilled science defender

>>22842385
Nigger, the majority of our ancestors also didn't live past 30-40 as they died of infections and other causes long before cardiovascular disease could catch up.

>>22842379
>Source: mice tests
literally the 2nd lowest form of evidence after case studies

Sneed oils

>>22842364
>>22842378
>>22842381
>>22842383
>>22842384

>>22842381
>COVID-19 vaccines drastically reduce risk of severe illness and death.
And now you've lost all credibility. How much does it pay to shill for shit?

>>22842385
This, the second crisco was introduced in america, autism, strokes, heart brain diseases went exponential
Seed oils were used as lubricant for heavy machinery, and they decided to introduce it as healthy food for humans because it was cheap to make and had long shelf life and it was insanely profitable

>>22842392
Seed oils = burnt cell linings

>>22842394
The media has rotted your brain during covid.

>>22842378
>>22842383
So the inflammation is maybe not that bad if you eat it along with enough antiinflammatory Omega-3 that it offsets the inflammation... Which you don't if you eat some of the more common seed/vegetable oils.

>>22842381
>COVID-19 vaccines drastically reduce risk of severe illness and death.

That's not true, unvaccinated children have 0 myocarditis.

>>22842398
I don't read the media my nigger

>>22842377
Omega 3 are beneficial, omega 6 are cancerous if eaten in big amounts, you only need tiny amount of omega 6;

What's so unhealthy about seed oils? Hydrogenated oils? Yeah, fuck that shit. But it seems like you retards are even getting mad as something simple as olive oil while stuffing your fat mouths with lard

>>22842391
life expectancy in remaining and historically documented hunter-gatherer communities is comparable to ours
the reason you think they died early is because of child mortality, which as horrible as it is, is also an important eugenic mechanism
as for chronic disease and general health, it was nearly perfect before agriculture hit us and now the majority of people is constantly sick

make no mistake, *someone* will cull the sick in the next couple of decades

>>22842388
I'll check this out thanks.

I'm more concerned about high fructose corn syrup.
Is it really a literal poison and should i avoid everything that has it as ingredient?

>>22842341 (OP)
because they have the same iq as niggers. someone has to be at fault and it can't be them having shit genetics and their constant overeating of high caloric foods.

>>22842399
This is a half-truth at best. Omega-6 PUFAs (like linoleic acid in seed oils) can be metabolized into pro-inflammatory compounds, but this doesn't mean eating seed oils causes inflammation in real life. Human studies (15+ RCTs) show no consistent link between high omega-6 intake and elevated inflammation markers like CRP or IL-6 — even without added omega-3s.

The "omega-6:omega-3 ratio" idea comes from early hypotheses, not strong evidence. Populations with high omega-6 intake (e.g., Japan, Israel) still have low rates of heart disease, even if their omega-3 intake isn't stellar.

It's true that most common seed oils are low in omega-3, especially EPA/DHA (which only come from fish or algae). So yes, if your diet is purely processed seed oils and no omega-3, you might be out of balance. But that’s a problem of overall poor diet, not seed oils per se.

Also, PUFAs do oxidize more easily, but your body has built-in antioxidant systems (e.g., glutathione, vitamin E) that handle this. You're not deep-frying your cell membranes. Butter is more stable chemically, sure — but it also raises LDL cholesterol, which is actually linked to heart disease in humans.

Bottom line: Seed oils aren’t magic, but they’re not poison either. Demonizing them based on cherry-picked mouse studies and biochemistry out of context is Reddit-tier logic. If you're really worried, just eat more fish, use olive oil, and avoid burning your oil. Simple.

>>22842342
I support this

>>22842391
Childhood and teen years had high mortality rates due to infectious diseases. If you made it through those years and didn't die in wars or accidents, you could live quite a long time free of the chronic illnesses that plague modern people in first-world countries. Eat whole foods, get regular exercise, avoid smoking or drinking too much. That's it. That's all we need to do.

>>22842387
Schau einfach bei Amazon, da kannst du anständiges Olivenöl aus Kreta für 50-60 Euro/5 Liter bestellen. Es ist vielleicht ein bisschen teurer, aber dann hast du wenigstens etwas was auch den Namen Olivenöl verdient.

>>22842399
Omega-3s are essential, if you aren't getting an adequate amount through your diet then you are by definition unhealthy. The ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 does not matter. As long as you have adequate omega-3 intake, omega-6s are beneficial regarding health.

Also, exercise causes inflammation in the body, does that mean exercise is bad? No. A temporary increase in inflammation does not mean jack shit when you compare it to long term health outcomes.

>>22842385
/thread
Any disagreement means you're brown.

>>22842411
I can easily buy great olive oil but the taste makes it unusable for some things like mayonnaise for example. I'm explicitly looking for lower quality processed olive oil without strong taste.

>>22842392
Heart attacks happen more eith seed oil people

>>22842403
Olive oil is fine. Shit like Wesson oil (cottonseed oil, which is literally refined industrial waste product) is not fine.

>>22842365
we got a clown here

because it is shit in comparison to natural pig fat, hope that answers Your stupid question You stupid Smrdoid retard

>>22842412
It really depends on where the inflammation happens and how often. If your vascular system is inflamed constantly because you eat too much Omega-6, that's pretty bad.

>>22842348
I use our olive oil but in a plastic bottle.
It's not fit for many stuff though like frying potatoes

>>22842385
A Paleolithic family would probably encounter high saturated fatty foods maybe like ten times a year...

ngl bruh. starting to think seed oil might be bad with all these fact-checking shills jumping down people's throats.

>>22842342
>saturated fats are bad for you bro, drink this motor oil instead!

>>22842419
We have long term studies that show that replacing saturated fats with seed oils actually reduces cardiovascular events. What matters ultimately is the outcome, not the mechanisms in our body as to how those good outcomes came to be. We will figure those out too with time but the body is really complex and a study that shows inflammation doesn't show the whole picture regarding health. e.g. olive oil causes temporary arterial stiffening but health outcomes of people who eat olive oil compared to saturated fats is far better.

Seed oils are about as good as olive oil regarding long term outcomes, by the way. We don't have any studies that prove one is decisively better than the other.

>>22842342
>>22842349
These were the kind of ads I was being fed after I googled a recipe fried in oil

>>22842423
>tallow is good for you bro, eat this conduit lubricant instead!
Think before you make retarded posts.

>>507967065
It is just another psyop.

There is nothing wrong with seed oils, we have been eating oils like linseed oil for at least the last few millennia, so our organisms are obviously adapted to them. Americans just need a new boogie man to blame their severe health problems on. They just fail to realize that all they really need to do is eat less, follow a balanced diet, work out and fast once in a while, but that is apparently too much hassle for nigger cattle.

>>22842421
Depends on where they lived. Plains Indians lived primarily on buffalo. California coast Indians lived mostly on fish and shellfish. Aztecs ate people.

>>22842423
>PUFAs are bad for you bro, eat this conduit lubricant instead!

>>22842434
>follow a balanced diet
Nope, you should do the exact opposite. Just eat meat. 90% of a "balanced diet" is not meant for human consumption.

>>22842425
Who is the target audience for this shit? I've seen a video on "olive oil detox" where you're supposed to drink liters of it to detox your gallbladder or something. Don't do that kek.

>>22842437
>b-but look this healthy natural product can also be used for the same purpose as the poisonous ultra-processed product!!!
This is not the own you think it is. Retard nigger

>>22842434
All they literally have to do is cut out processed crap and they're already 90% there. The rest is eating more fruit and veg and not overindulging on steak.
>>22842464
>Just eat meat
Have you been living under a rock? All the meme carnivore youtubers were getting sick and weak after years of "just eating meat" on a carnivore diet and a lot of them quit.

>>22842468
It's either a prank or a crank. Don't guzzle olive oil. That's just silly.
>>22842464
Some green leafy veggies and root veggies can add some vitamins you might not otherwise get from meat. It'll also keep you from getting constipated. I'm a big meat eater, but it's not all I eat.

>>22842474
>All the meme carnivore youtubers were getting sick and weak after years of "just eating meat" on a carnivore diet and a lot of them quit.
I don't follow retard youtube grifters.

>>22842469
I'd like to see some studies regarding how poisonous seed oils are when the scientific literature overwhelmingly points towards them being beneficial compared to saturated fats.
No mouse, lizard or rat studies please, only humans (we have enough human studies on this subject). I'll wait.

>>22842476
>Some green leafy veggies and root veggies can add some vitamins you might not otherwise get from meat. It'll also keep you from getting constipated. I'm a big meat eater, but it's not all I eat.
You really don't gain anything, but sure eat them if you enjoy them. I like a salad now and again too, but there's not really much of a nutritional value that your body can absorb in reality.

>constipated
Just because you don't have to constantly shit out garbage that your body can't process doesn't mean you're constipated. That's one of the great things once your metabolism gets used to mostly meat. You just shit once a day and that's it.

>>22842480
Me neither but I do check up on them when I need a laugh.

>>22842485
Nutrition science is pseudoscience. Epidemiological studies are totally inept at measuring anything realiably and long term controlled studies of diets are impossible to conduct.

>>22842494
We have randomized controlled trials, intervention trials, cohorts... these aren't just epidemiological studies.

>>22842497
None of which are adequate at measuring the effects of highly processed seed oil consumption in humans.

>>22842639
As a general rule of thumb I would agree that the majority of processed foods that are available today are bad for your health. However, just because something is highly processed doesn't necessarily make it bad. We have to distinguish between processed foods, and seed oils have proven themselves to be beneficial when replacing saturated fats in the diet.

You can ignore the scientific consensus on this but there's over a century of studies on saturated fats. We didn't come to this conclusion overnight.

>>22842660
>and seed oils have proven themselves to be beneficial when replacing saturated fats in the diet
Nope.

>>22842663
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510

>>22842668
>From the American Heart Association
Lmao. Stopped reading right there.

>>22842672
They reference a ton of studies and that advisory is well written and understandable. They aren't just making things up.

>>22842678
>They reference a ton of *fake studies
*ftfy

>>22842686
You could just say you'll eat saturated fats regardless of the health outcomes and call it a day and I wouldn't even blame you for it, it's your choice after all. Disregarding those studies is pure cope.

>>22842701
>Disregarding those studies is pure cope.
You have a long way to go my nigga. But I doubt you have the mental fortitude to seek truth based on your absolute dumbfuck arguments presented today.

>>22842719
You haven't presented any meaningful arguments or studies to the contrary.

>>22842733
That's because such studies are impossible to conduct as I've previously stated. Really the only thing to go on is what humans are evolved to eat. It's certainly not highly processed oils and crops.

>>22842740
If this isn't "good enough" for you then nothing is.
>mental hospital (they control their diet)
>1222 patients
>12 years total, 6 years on one diet then switched, two hospitals
>CHD death, the primary outcome, was significantly lower by 41% (95% CI, −26 to −53) during the polyunsaturated than the saturated fat diet
>CHD events were lower during the times when the polyunsaturated fat diet was given

>The Finnish Mental Hospital Study compared a diet high in polyunsaturated fat, mainly from basedbean oil, with a diet high in saturated fat in 1222 patients at 2 psychiatric hospitals.30,36,37 In 1 hospital, the high polyunsaturated fat diet was given first, followed by the saturated fat diet; in the other hospital, the diets were given in the reverse order. Each diet period lasted 6 years. There were 2 cohorts. One comprised the entire patient populations of the 2 hospitals; 25% had evidence of CHD on an ECG, and 57% were women. The other cohort included only patients who had no evidence of CHD, that is, a primary prevention cohort. Women made up 44%. Serum cholesterol was 38 mg/dL (14%) lower on the high polyunsaturated fat diet than on the high saturated fat diet. Adherence was also demonstrated by 3-fold enrichment of linoleic acid in adipose tissue. In the mixed primary and secondary prevention cohort, CHD death, the primary outcome, was significantly lower by 41% (95% CI, −26 to −53) during the polyunsaturated than the saturated fat diet (Figure 1). In the primary prevention cohort, CHD death or myocardial infarction was the primary outcome, and the incidence was significantly lower also by 41% (95% CI, −17 to −58) during the polyunsaturated than during the saturated fat periods. In each hospital, CHD events were lower during the times when the polyunsaturated fat diet was given. Results were similar in men and women.

>>22842761
About a gazillion things wrong with that study that I'm not wasting my time to point out because no one is reading this anyway. You keep poisoning yourself and I'll keep eating healthy animal fats.

>>22842806
Lmao sure bud, sure

>>22842806
How about you explain one of the integral things they got wrong. Just one is good.

>>22842812
Nope. Keep poisoning yourself.

You know, pretending to be well informed on any given subject is probably the most common telltale sign of a low end midwit. It's become more common than ever with the ability the internet provides to give the ostensible appearance of intelligence and informed knowledge on any given subject. The reality though is that it is just shallow mimicking of intelligence and an informed mind, its "gotcha" bullshit they will forget before the conversation is even over. There is no growth.

Being able to admit you were wrong and adjust your worldview when presented with evidence that contradicts it is a universal trait amongst those who seek cosmic truth and understanding.

The former is pretentious, and entirely ego based. It has nothing to do with true understanding or the pursuit of knowledge. It's about winning an argument. Totally ephemeral in its means and entirely vacuous to its end. It's the realm of hucksters, con men and politicians.

The latter is the realm of the genuine intellectual. A mind and personality that is rooted in the accumulation and dissemination of knowledge and true understanding, the objective being to further both; collectively, and individually.

You wouldn't get it Finland. You lack the ingredients.

Didn't read your word vomit of a post. God told me the truth in a dream. Seethe & cope faggot.

Butter tastes better.