The lisp gives you all away, and everyone already knows anyway they are just being polite to you financially/emotionally less evolved boys who still live with your parents into your 20s like some Helen Keller motherfuckers.

>>22886127 (OP)
>t. over 30
>living with his mother and some cats
>its all a godly plan
kek

>>22886127 (OP)
I’m atheist
Ama

I am not an atheist, so please teach me the answer... Why label yourself as atheist rather than agnostic? If you have time, that is.

>>22886129
Do you have a fully intact penis?

>>22886127 (OP)
why use these cringe faceberg memes as a argument?

>>22886130
One plausible theory to being an atheist is that we are in a simulated consciousness. Though that doesn’t disprove god, it proves that are reality could be procedurally generated by another more sentient beings quantum computer. Call them god if you want but if there is another consciousness above them they are not truly the gods.

>>22886133
Thank you for teaching me. By the way, you probably guessed I am Christian. Many of us are scientific minded and also believe something similar to you. In my belief system, that highest conscious(ness) being is our creator. Including the creator of our simulation. Consciousness persists after the body I am currently in perishes. I am monotheistic, so I agree that those other beings are not God ^_^ I hope my explanation is written ok... Am I following or misunderstanding you? Sorry to bother. Thanks for your reply!

>>22886131
Ye

>>22886130
There is not such thing as an "agnostic". Unless you explicitly believe in a sky wizard you are an atheist. Agnostic is a modifier which specifies the certainty of a belief. You can be an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist. But agnostic alone is not anything.

>>22886133
What would you want to call the minor non God beings as opposed to what you would label the being above those?

>>22886136
Sorry. My atheist friend drove me to a conference. After the conference he told me we would actually consider him agnostic. I did not realize that word is meaningless without another. So, does that mean my friend was implying he is an agnostic atheist? I appreciate you taking the time to correct my mistake. (:

>>22886136
I would not call Him a sky wizard because wizardry is forbidden according to my belief system... if that makes sense?

>>22886138
I don't really know what goes on in the heads of other people. Not sure if they are just being sloppy, or they actually think agnostic is its own thing. Some people like to distance themselves from atheist by calling themselves agnostic even though agnostic is meaningless.

Piss off germ you and your abrahamic psyops.

>>22886140
That makes sense. I think the way you framed it is very helpful. Having the second word as a clarification is preferable.

>>22886127 (OP)
Sorry, faggot. You're getting the infinite regress and you're gonna like it.

>>22886141
Are you a member of a non abrahamic religion? Or?

>>22886140
What are you even talking about? Agnostic means you don’t know if there is a God or not, at its most basic.

>>22886145
The day he clarified, I assumed he meant that he was not 100% sure? Or?

>>22886146
Did the asteroids ever hit?

>>22886130
>Why label yourself as atheist rather than agnostic?
Agnostic atheist

>>22886130
Majority of atheists are agnostic.
Most agnostics are atheists but they don't want to admit it.

>>22886147
Have you ever gone outside with a magnet? My family member told me I could find teeny tiny pieces... Great question! The fact we can communicate now with each other probably points to click baity fear mongering sensationalism. I actually think... recently one supposedly fell very recently. I included the meteor screenshot from the past week. I theorize what is actually falling may be space junk... satellites, failed experiments, etc. There is a war going on, and I cannot imagine any satellites being upgraded and updated with new technology... What do you think?

>>22886147
Meteors is what these falling things have been called. In case my words were unclear, I am debating the possibility of satellites falling... I have heard some people view NASA as liars? Plus we have a space force now?

>>22886151
Feel free to tell me which one from that list bothers you the most and the least. I would enjoy chatting about some.

>>22886153
>let's chat about my personal feelings
Lol, lmao

>>22886146
Day who clarified?

>>22886149
Your reply is extremely helpful. I appreciate you taking the time to write to me. Nice bearded Pepe ^_^

>>22886154
Actually, we don't have to. I thought we would debate the number one reason you disapprove of the possibility of a higher power...? I apologize if I was unclear. If you want to include feelings, you are welcome to. If you would like to try to explain without feelings, I'm cool with that too.

>>22886157
>I thought we would debate the number one reason you disapprove of the possibility of a higher power...?
When did I disapprove of a "higher power"?

why do christfags believe that they are super badasses for worshipping a twinky jew?

>>22886155
In the past, a guy who drove me to a Christian conference. After the two of us attended together... he told me that he used to consider himself an atheist. After hearing my conference teach us about world religions and whatnot, he said something along the lines of ... how myself and others there may technically consider him an agnostic even though he has always called himself atheist without using that word. He was very kind to drive me there and back. Even though he had no real obligation to go. I always looked forward to that conference every year, and he had the perfect excuse not to go if he did not want to. Since it was a Christian conference...

Did I answer the right question well? Or did I make things more confusing? Please feel free to let me know.

>>22886158
Looks like I misunderstood. I apologize. What are your views? Maybe I was impolite. Please forgive my mistake. I will try to type more appropriately.

>>22886145
Atheist/Theist is binary. Agnostic refers to degree of a belief. You can be an agnostic atheist, an agnostic theist, an agnostic believer in unicorns.

>>22886161
Define "higher power"

>>22886162
This anon gets it

>>22886139
Then you're a drooling retard who doesn't even understand his own belief system, because Lawd canonically performs miracles and merely forbids his sheeple from doing the same.

>>22886137
That church is literally 30 minutes from me in Pendleton SC. I've been there for a service, lol.

>>22886159
Personally, I believe in ADONAI God. Basically, Jesus was a physical form. You are right that he was born in the middle east. However, racially he could not be more than half Middle Eastern. There was no earthly male partnering with Mary. I am.not catholic by the way. Plus the current words do not apply. Israel by the new borders (1945??)... I became a Christian, so God who is omnipresent is always with me. He is omnipotent, all powerful. The physical form of Jesus had limits, yes. What are your opinions on nephilim? In the Bible, there were people during the time of Noah mixing bloodlines with nephilim prior to the flood in the Old Teatament. Have I addressed any of your concerns? There was no natural human birth with one human father of any particular race. The offspring Yeshua would have been genetically similar to Mary. Also, because God is the father of YAHWEH ... I personally would not consider him necessarily 100% Jewish. God is for everyone. God in the form of the flesh was named Jesus. If you ever read Genesis, there is no human bipedal earthly shell of Jesus yet. God is spiritual, and he chose to take physical form. Jesus was a miracle baby. Jesus is not limited to being 100% Jewish because Joseph did not combine his sperm with Mary's egg. Jesus is the son of God. That implies the child is half God, half Mary. So I absolutely do not worship a random Jew or anything like that... is this explanation addressing your concerns? I can keep trying if you would like... maybe. Possibly. Let me know?

>>22886166
You showed me a meme i never saw before. Thank you!! Woa... are you kidding me? Wow! Too cool!! ^_^ Such a beautiful state.

>>22886167
>i am a total head case
got it. i'll just stick with worshipping nothing

>>22886151
To be fair only point number 9 is exclusively Christianity.
The rest is primarly Judaism.

>>22886163
Well, to start with, a hogher power has specialspecificationsand skills that are usually never seen in the world. Any entity that is too similar to me is not someone I would consider a higher power. How do you define higher power? I would definitely say I meet many entities that seem powerful, but in the end they were never worthy of worship. I am not worthy of worship. I am not a higher power. There is also a saying that any sufficiently advanced technology appears magical. Have you heard that? What are your thoughts?

>>22886170
You are very intelligent. I was actually incredibly confused by the way they defined it. I am a Christian, and you helped explain my confusion with his definition of my belief. I appreciate that.

>>22886127 (OP)
Were you the guy with the question in the other thread the atheist all saged? if so..
As to why the percentage of atheists still living with their parents is so remarkably high I'd have to say it is lack of faith not only in God but in themselves as well. After all if we are made in God's image then are we not *God's ourselves* In control of our destiny? And if we have no faith in God then we have no faith in ourselves nor the world which he created and if not then you prefer the gay stuff over your own happiness and success you will get just that.

>>22886171
>How do you define higher power?
Depends on the context. Math is a higher power, empathy is a higher power, an advanced race of aliens is a higher power. I don't think higher power is a term exclusive to God or gods
>I am not a higher power.
You're capable of higher power
>There is also a saying that any sufficiently advanced technology appears magical. Have you heard that? What are your thoughts?
Yeah, magical is just a gap filler, like God, until we gain a better understanding

As to why the percentage of atheists still living with their parents is so remarkably high I'd have to say it is lack of faith not only in God but in themselves as well. After all if we are made in God's image then are we not *God's ourselves* In control of our destiny? And if we have no faith in God then we have no faith in ourselves nor the world which he created and if not then you prefer the gay stuff over your own happiness and success you will get just that.

>>22886162
You wrote that extremely well. Your concise definition and examples given are perfect. I heard unicorns were goats whose horns were wrapped together into one. A lady told me that once. I never researched it... I have seen in passing horns that grew incorrectly that cause injury and/or death to creatures. I just never devoted the time to prove or disprove her explanation.

>>22886175
>And if we have no faith in God then we have no faith in ourselves nor the world
Nah, I don't need to believe in your opinions of God to have confidence in myself or the world

>>22886174
Your wording and reply shows wisdom. How about this then... Are powers and those who hold them along a spectrum? Do you believe all higher powers are equal? Could there be a higher power above all our other examples? Should we call this potential higher power the "highest" power? Do you believe there is a possibility of that?

>>22886127 (OP)
Retarded argument. There is plenty of pussy and evidence of pussy.
Unlike religion, promising and failing to improve anything for 2000+++ years.
2 more weeks world champions
Too retarded to realize how retarded he is, amazing

>>22886127 (OP)
Everyone wanna turn everyone gay, then wonder why the world is run by gays.

>>22886164
I also think that was a well worded definition.

>>22886148
Thank you very much for this graphic. This is the most helpful single file on this subject that I have ever seen. Very nice.

>>22886165
Witchcraft and wizardry are forbidden because they are not of God. Christians who have God acting through them still are not the creator of the miracle. The miracle is entirely God's power only. Whether he chooses to act through a follower of his or not is entirely his choice. God does not need me to preform his miracles. I am not that important. I am not catholic. Miracles are something entirely different from Witchcraft and wizardry, in my definition. God will preform miracles and answer prayers with or without me. I must be wary of sins of omission, as well as sins of commission. The more I follow His commands avoiding sin to the best of my ability, the closer I get to becoming the Christian I need to be. Have you studied deliverance and eschatology? What branch of Christianity are you from? (Only answer if you want. Don't type the specifics, if you don't want to. We can just expand our beliefs without sect labels, if you prefer. )

>>22886169
You are free to believe as you wish. All I have to do is share my beliefs with you. You are the one in control of your thoughts and feelings. I would never want you to pretend to believe me. That would be way too boring. How would you explain the mysteries of our reality then? Please share your beliefs. Thanks for your time.

>>22886134
You would be killed for blasphemy In the past. Maybe even the future

>>22886175
You have eloquently worded your post. There must be a subset of atheists who do and do not believe in themselves? If I could not feel confidence in myself, I most certainly could not imagine a God loving me... even though I believe in the one and only God (Jesus is King)... I do not deserve His love or forgiveness. I realize even my "righteous" works are like filthy rags... (The term “filthy rags” is quite strong. The word filthy is a translation of the Hebrew word iddah, which literally means “the bodily fluids from a woman’s menstrual cycle.” The word rags is a translation of begged, meaning “a rag or garment.” Therefore, these “righteous acts” are considered by God as repugnant as a soiled feminine hygiene product.)

I am referring to Isaiah 64:6...

>>22886185
Only God's will will happen to me. Your words have no power over me. I rebuke you and those two sentences by the blood of Jesus, in Jesus name. Amen. You are allowed to hold your opinions, and I will never come into agreement. Any fortunate or unfortunate event given to me within God's will is accepted. I surrendered myself to God a long time ago. I will live as long as he wills me to and not a second longer. I will die at the time and place in the way he has appointed for me. I am not afraid. I know the evil one roams around searching for who to destroy. I fear no evil. My God comforts me. If God wants me to survive, I will. I God wants me to share the truth with you. You can deny it all you want. Your death and afterlife are entirely your decisions based on whether you believe the truth or not. I will share what I believe is the truth. No threats of harm ever stopped me. You cannot stop me. You hold no power over me. I will follow the Lord all the days of my life, and I welcome my Father's plans for me. I trust Him. I will only submit myself to the one true and only God. I will never submit to you. If you actually cared to have a conversation, we could have productively compared beliefs in a search for truth, but you have no interest in truth. So, I will pray for your salvation and baptism. I will put you on our prayer lists at multiple places. I will make sure you are covered in prayers for you to become a real Christian. If you are a real Christian, you will have to learn to control your tongue, if you ever care to reach anyone. As of now, you bore me. I can ignore you now, if I feel like it. May you be blessed with wisdom, patience, discernment, healing, hope, and joy in the near future. In Jesus name, Amen. (:

>>22886130

I’m an agnostic theist because we never went to the moon and we haven’t even explored 80% of the ocean. Most scientific theories like the ‘big bang theory’ are just that, theories. Space definitely exists but we have no clue to how far and we never will in this lifetime. So really if you operate on fact and reason you’d be an agnostic theist by default.

Science can’t come close to telling you what you need to know and organized religion is full of provable fairy tales and fiction.

>>22886188
What is the point of us lying about exploring moon and the ocean? The lies are so poorly done too... was the moon thing because we did not want Russia to claim they arrived first? Do we not have the sufficient technology to survive the remainder of the ocean? Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Actually, whether you believe Jesus is divine or not is your prerogative. The existence of Jesus is not a fairytale. Jesus is not fiction. Historical records prove Jesus of Nazareth beyond a reasonable doubt. Not just in the Bible, nut many other Historical records in multiple languages.

>>22886136
thanks bong for reminding me that this board is not yet completely (brain)dead

>>22886179
Religion is not what I put my faith in. I only put my faith in Jesus. Man failed us. So of course we have failed for 2000 years. I cannot blame Jesus for the disobedience of men. Men have free will. Men chose to do evil things often. I agree it is a shame our world was not shaped more positively by our ancestors. It is up to us now. Can we finally shape the world in a way where we can agree without a shadow of a doubt that we have fulfilled God's will for our lives and this planet he has given us? ^^

>>22886190
Not... yet... lol that is a good way of wording that. (: I smiled.

>>22886127 (OP)
Atheists are essentially materialists. For some time their beliefs had the advantage of being technically plausible and trendy when science was at its infancy, but the emergence of quantum physics has BTFO’d their ignorant snobbery. Atm anyone who is passionate about atheism is essentially in drowning themselves in denial for fear of the original existential crisis.

>>22886177
You are right that you do not have to care about what any of us on this website think. I agree 100% ^_^

>>22886193
Atheism has nothing to do with materialism.

>>22886193
Are you referring to the newer proof that points towards our consciousness continuing? Very interesting. Any new information should be met with a healthy amount of skepticism, but denying the truth would be somethingi avoid. Especially if fear keeps us from pursuing the truth... please share more, if you have time. Thank you for what you have written thus far. ^-^

>>22886195
OK. What would be a relevant way to describe atheism?

>>22886186
The definition of filthy rags was from the link below. All I remembered was it had to do with period blood and needing clothing during tthe period.... i think the explanation here was done well. https://www.gotquestions.org/filthy-rags.html

>>22886189

I’m confused. Are you saying you believe in all the fairy tales said in the bible AND the fairy tale that we went to the moon? You threw in the ocean part as well but that’s not a conspiracy, that’s the official narrative.

I honestly don’t know why they’d lie about going to the moon. Especially since it’s physically impossible for a human to survive the radiation of the Van Allen radiation belt. It does have something to do with the Cold War but really I think the Cold War was political theater. Jews ran both sides of the show and America was the bigger goyim so they got the claim they went to the moon.

As I said I’m an agnostic theist. I lean towards God but not one from a mainstream and extremely bastardized religion (which is all of them). I don’t deny a figure named Jesus existed and was killed by kikes. I don’t believe he died and was resurrected. I also don’t believe anyone can turn water into wine (magically) or bread into fish or walk on water. Why? Because I I’m logical.

To be honest, I like to think I’m morally Christian. I like Jesus and what his spirit represents. No murder. No lying. No stealing. Taking your shirt off and giving it to someone in need and of course whipping Jews.

The one aspect about Jesus that I really don’t like is that if he was real he was definitely Jewish. And Jews aren’t white.

Lastly I’d like to say is I celebrate Christmas and will always celebrate Christmas. Christmas just like Christianity has been bastardized. You don’t have to be Christian to celebrate Christmas. You just have to western. For me it’s more of an American tradition than a Christian one. And more than likely that’s how it is for over half of the white American population.

I do view atheists as crazy or crazier than hardline Christians.

Also abortion is awesome and keeps America from becoming a 3rd world shithole.

>>22886197
Lack of belief in a creator god / sky daddy. Since there is zero evidence for such things, and all religions are clearly fictional nonsense.

I can't speak for other atheists, but me personally I will believe in anything that can be shown to exist. If it turned out some kind of magic or spiritual thing existed, I would accept it.

>>22886162
There's a blurred boundary between agnostic and believer - neither know, yet are willing to admit they don't know. Atheists also don't know (hence it's a belief) yet assert their belief as fact. And of course there are faithers who don't know but insist God exists and Based Knowers who Know

>>22886199
I do not believe the footage that claims it was the usa on the moon for the first time. I appreciate you asking. I was saying that the proof of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is extremely well documented. It is up to every individual whether they have faith in Him being divine or not. My feeling is the Jesus of Nazareth is neither a fairy tale nor fiction. You were talking about fairy tale proof / fiction proof, so I tried to explain what I think is well documented. As for whether Jesus is our creator, that would definitely be something we could debate. However, historical records of Jesus of Nazareth existing is very extensive. Did I word it any better this time? I apologize for trying to address your whole post at once last time. It was not my intention to word it in a confusing way. I apologize. Is this any clearer?

>>22886199
You have been told lies by other moonlanding deniers and blindly accepted them.

>>22886202

Yes, and I agree with you on that point. That being said NO human has set foot on the moon. There’s a higher chance that everything said in the Bible is real than a human setting foot on the moon. There’s a reason ‘only Americans have set foot on the moon’. There’s a reason why we have never attempted to go back. And there’s a reason why no other country has ‘set foot’ on the moon. Because it’s impossible. I make this clear because this shows the corruption and inaccuracy of science. It also shows the limit to science. Atheists believe in science. That’s their religion. And it’s as corrupt as mainstream religion. And they’re too close minded to understand this.

That’s why by default you have to lean towards God or theism. If you’re smart. And you know Jews did 9/11 and completely lied about the holocaust.

>just come out of the closet?
come out of the closet to fucking what? You haven't even finished your chain of thought in your faggy useless OP, imbecile. Just another time wasting thread by an retarded ESL brown faggot OP.

>>22886203

You’ve been told lies by Jews and believed them.

>>22886199
You can feel that way about abortion all you want. I mean, each state I the usa has different laws. Each country in the world does too. So, your honest opinion is good to hear. I wish we knew what the earth would have been like had no one's life been cut short, through medical mistakes, medical malpractice, decisions we make, political leaders, religious leaders, war, famine, pestilence... but death is a part of our lives now... So... ): it hurts to lose someone I was close to regardless of why that person is no longer with me. Sometimes people just lose contact... dissappear, perish, or even get busy. I have heard many countries allow people to leave the planet when they want now. Unfortunately, those who are aborted are to weak and young to give informed consent for a medical procedure, but... just all around sad to lose the old, young, and in between. I love the people I meet, and I pray and hope the best for them. Even for you. You took a lot of time in your explanation. I wish and hope you have a healthy long life, success, prosperity, joy, peace, and I also pray for this to be the best year you've ever had, God willing. I pray for each year to come to improve even more as well! In Jesus name, Amen. Thank you for what you have written. I appreciate you sharing. Maybe prayers mean something different to you, so I guess you just can know I hope you have many of your dreams come true. I hope I explained myself properly. I also hope and pray for healing for you, anyone reading this, and anyone writing on this thread. I pray for those we love to be healed too. I pray we are appreciated for our efforts, and I pray you receive immense success for the obvious intellect you've shown. I pray your wisdom is rewarded in so many ways, that you life is always improving. I pray you feel blessed, even if we disagree sometimes. I wish I could say more... the alarm is going off. In general though, I only wish and hope the very best for you. Today, and every day.

>>22886127 (OP)
China needs to release that AI which detects homosexuality from peoples faces now

>>22886127 (OP)
It's all part of god's plan...
>except the forseskin

>>22886208
They tried it, the AI burnt out because it couldn't detect any difference from one asian to another and flagged them all as fags.

>>22886200
Do you believe in joy? You can't see it, you can only see its effects. If you're looking for a little blue-haired entity called Joy you wont find her. But it exists, it's very real, in fact people spend unholy amounts of time and resources running after it. Similarly if you're looking for a big hairy man called God of course you'll never find evidence. The creator isn't an entity. No entity can be omnipresent and omnipotent, it's something much more fundamental

>>22886211
Come on bro, we understand endorphins and dopamine, it's not bronze age judea.

>>22886201
>Atheists also don't know (hence it's a belief) yet assert their belief as fact
See agnostic atheist
>>22886148

>>22886206
Whatever floats your boat. If you want to get out of the retarded moonlanding denial cult there's plenty of resources that respectfully explain why the lies you were told are wrong.
After multiple decades there still is not a single argument in favor of the moonlandings being fake that actually holds up.

>>22886136
>Unless you explicitly believe in a sky wizard you are an atheist.
There are plenty of more abstract, non-personal ideas of God (the Monad, Logos, Dao etc.) but I'd hardly call believers in those "atheist". Probably the reason there are so many atheists in the West is because we're stuck in a false dichotomy where you can either believe in the angry foreskin God from the Bible or nothing at all.

>>22886207

This is the problem with Christcucks. At first you tell me ‘oh I was just talking about Jesus existing’. Now it’s some passive aggressive Christcuck bullshit about how abortion is evil and shouldn’t exist.

I’m not saying you’re a bad person anon and all the gay christcuck shit you said it why I love Christians because most of yall are genuinely good people who just want to help people.

However …


Nigger babies, spic babies, and white trash babies do not make the world better. It makes the world much less safe and livable. It kills its future. Eugenics is awesome. Adolf was right about many things and this was one of them. The subhuman population should be decreased not forced into our society. And I’m not just speaking about niggers I’m talking about white deformed/retarded ‘babies’ too.

I love you anon but you do not live by logic and reason. You live by emotion.

I wish the best for you as well, to live long and prosperous and happy. But because of your religious delusion you are a harm to America and the western world because of your beliefs.

You cannot honestly say America doesn’t become a third world shithole without abortion.

Imagine what America looks like with all of these chimps living here. You see all the rape, robbery, murder now. Now imagine what it would look like if these monkeys weren’t aborted.

>>22886162
What if I'm not sure if god exists because the Bible and all religions fail in their explanation but they are man made/written and at the same time I see that the science doesn't have an answer.
Is that agnostic.

>>22886167
>Jesus was half Jew half god
>I don't worship a Jew
You kinda do

>>22886214

Yeah, that’s why moon landing denial is scrubbed harder than holocaust denial. I’ll tell you what. If Candace Owens ever reverses her stance and explains it in a logical way I’ll bite.

But while we’re here please tell the audience why NO OTHER country has gone there.

Also tell the audience why America gave your gay toothpaste flag country a fake moon rock.

What if I'm not an atheist, I simply deny religion as a valid concept because it's obvious bullshit. Like I just want to take every spiritual fucking faggot and hang them by the skin of their own nutsack for shitting up my world.

>>22886217
Science is not a source of answers. Science is a description of what is, not why. In fact a "why" is fundamentally impossible. At the end of any chain of explanations are facts that just are. There is no possible way around this. Even inventing a god does not give an ultimate why, you just end up with an unexplained god which you made up based on nothing.

>>22886221
Science becomes bullshit the moment you introduce funding. Where is the more rigorous regime that can withstand it?

>>22886221
>Science is not a source of answers.
Dumb take. Properly conducted scientific method gives answers where currently possible. It's not science's fault that all kinds of hacks call themselves "scientists" these days while pulling ideas from their ass and the cattle worships them. I mean the likes of Chris Langan and Eric Weinstein and also Hancock and shit

>>22886136
Belief is a doubt. You can only believe things you're not certain of, otherwise you would know and there would be no need to believe. Someone is an atheist because they believe god doesn't exist. Agnostics believe they can't possibly know either way.

>>22886224
Do you believe in Mapinguari

>>22886195
Atheists are materialists in the sense that they do not acknowledge even try to comprehend the world beyond what they can see and measure with their current levels of science/instrumentation/senses. For them everything only exists purely in the 3D plain, is visible with the naked eye or some assisted devices, or measurable in the current idea of how to measure and/or detect things.

It’s always funny when I come across self-proclaimed atheists who believe in spiritual things/ghosts/afterlife - but they are so pissed at the idea of a sky daddy because of some nascent anger/butthurt that an omnipotent sky daddy hasn’t scooped up everyone’s suffering and wiped out evil, or stopped a 3 year old from dying from some painful cancer.

>>22886131
Only up his arse

>>22886226
If something is beyond any kind of detection, then it cannot be said to exist in any meaningful way. You can make up anything and say it exists, but if it has no effect on perceivable reality its not useful to believe in the existence of said thing.

>>22886228
So, back when they had no idea there was something like radiation, the existence of radiation itself was not meaningful or did not affect anyone or anything, yes?

>>22886200
>Since there is zero evidence for such things,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Big bang - expansion of an EXISTING energy
Also this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
And THIS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment
You're welcome!

>>22886230
None of these are evidence of a sky wizard.

>>22886229
If some schizo had by accident invented the concept of radiation, then it would have been correct for them to be ignored before evidence for radiation was discovered. Schizos invent all kinds of things, very rarely some of them might be right by accident. But we don't listen to the ramblings of schizos. So yes, things don't exist in a useful way until they can be shown to exist.

>>22886231
Yes they are!
1.An energy that existed, that was neither created nor has an ending whose expansion is responsabile for all that exists.
2. Soul exists and has the mass to prove it therefore and afterlife exists.
3. NDE - afterlife exists GOD exists ! and there are people that went there met Him and were allowed to come back and tell the tale for idiots like you!
Stop being a contrarian retard and start using your brain!
If you don't have any just go to a hospital, ask them to stop your heart keep you like that for a minute or two - don't worry nothing wrong will happen to your brain because you clearely don't have any, and then to revive you! Write down what you saw and come back here to relate it to us!

>>22886227
Kek

>>22886148
For me it's agnostic atheist. But supposing I did believe there was a god or gods what an I even supposed to do about it or do differently from what I do now?

>>22886233
eternal energy != literal man in the sky
existence of souls do not imply existence of man in the sky
I see no evidence that NDEs are nothing more than hallucinations of the dying.

>>22886130
Athiests like to argue with religious people (except Jews oddly enough) while agnostics just want to be left alone. It's like being antisocial vs being asocial.

>>22886236
>eternal energy != literal man in the sky
YES ! creative energy!
>existence of souls do not imply existence of man in the sky
Religion is centered on soul and its afterlife! Science proves SOUL! Retarded atheist - that doesn't prove God exists!
YES it does! Who created The Soul?
>I see no evidence that NDEs are nothing more than hallucinations of the dying.
everybody hallucinating the same thing irrespective of cultural background education diet or geographical area!
like I said, try it yourself!

>>22886127 (OP)
>less evolved boys who still live with your parents into your 20s
"pay the rent je or you're going to hell" is definitely a new one, I think.
Especially weird for a yurofag.

>>22886238
> Who created The Soul
Who created God?

>>22886129
To what purpose?
We already know at least half of whats interesting.
You are just a nihilist, or one in the making.
Very tedious.

>>22886240
God created himself

>>22886237
That is incredibly helpful. I appreciate your explanation. Thank you very, very much!! :)

It's quite a leap to go from "We don't know how the universe was made" to "A bronze age goat-fucking jewish rabbi made it".

>>22886242
Why can't souls create themselves

>>22886245
They are not god

>>22886136
Atheism = there is no god (and I somehow know 100%)
Agnostic = I don't know if god exists or not
Hope this helps bong

>>22886247
See
>>22886148

>>22886246
Why does a soul require a God?

>>22886238
>Science proves SOUL!
How exactly?

>>22886238
>everybody hallucinating the same thing irrespective of cultural background education diet or geographical area!
>like I said, try it yourself
Yes. That makes it even more about the brain than religion

>>22886127 (OP)
>muh magic space yid

>>22886127 (OP)
Corky, enjoy this:
https://youtu.be/VGL52ljXxjI?si=h84mLC0i7VuujUUg

>>22886136
Literally every person in this world is agnostic, objectively speaking.

>>22886127 (OP)
im an atheist because Christians havent been able to pull the jew cock out of their mouth for the past 2000 years and have an entire culture of getting walked all over by others sparked by a brown skinned kike merchant who falsified miracles to sell more fissh and bread
they preach the bible, a book filled with contradictions because its been warped and "translated" countless times by hook nosed kings trying to rewrite laws
all for a god who flooded the world and has, by their own admission, killed billions

>>22886193
Quantum physics does not contradict materialism in any way. Let me guess, you misunderstood the observer effect.

>>22886132
He's one of the boomers who came here after 2016.

>>22886249
We don't even know if soul or god exist, let alone the mechanics of it

>>22886250
21 grams

>>22886127 (OP)
What is this propaganda

You worship rabbi saul

There is no god because assigning an individual persona to the "will" the universe is an emanation from is simply incorrect. And the jewish god specifically is not a creator spirit, it is a fire demon. Do with this information what you will.

>>22886215
The abrahamic god sucks and is fucking boring. I unironically envy cultures that weren't tainted by that nonsense still have their native gods.

>>22886259
>We don't even know if soul or god exist
21 grams of gas leaving a dead body?

>>22886262
what gas is that?

>>22886263
You realize when you die, you piss and shor yourself? Then the body starts decomposition which consist of gas also leaving the body

>>22886264
So what gas is that?

>>22886265
Look it up my friend

>>22886127 (OP)
I don't have to believe your fairytale only niggers blindly follow bullshit that's why they all love the church

>>22886263
Nerve gas
>>22886262
21 grams is a lot of gas, your final breath might be 5 grams but the thing is it's always 21 grams
>>22886264
They measured them on a table with a weight scale so if they pissed themselves it all stayed there

>>22886266
2nd stage of decomp of a body
At this stage, the microorganisms residing in the digestive system begin to digest the tissues of the body, excreting gases that cause the torso and limbs to bloat, and producing foul-smelling chemicals including putrescine and cadaverine. Cells in tissues break down and release hydrolytic enzymes, and the top layer of skin may become loosened, leading to skin slippage. Decomposition of the gastrointestinal tract results in a dark, foul-smelling liquid called "purge fluid" that is forced out of the nose and mouth due to gas pressure in the intestine. The bloat stage is characterized by a shift in the bacterial population from aerobic to anaerobic bacterial species.
So, bacteria are producing the soul ?

>>22886268
>the thing is it's always 21 grams
What is?
>>22886268
>They measured them on a table with a weight scale so if they pissed themselves it all stayed there
Let's see this
>>22886269
See? There ya go.

>>22886268
>>22886269
The idea that the soul weighs 21 grams comes from a 1907 experiment by Dr. Duncan MacDougall, who measured the weight of six dying patients before and after death. He claimed a small weight loss—around 21 grams in one case—occurred at the moment of death, attributing it to the soul leaving the body.
His findings were published in a medical journal but faced immediate skepticism.

The experiment had serious flaws: a tiny sample size, inconsistent measurements (only one patient’s 21-gram loss was highlighted), and no control for factors like air leaving the lungs or bodily fluids evaporating. Modern science dismisses the study due to its lack of rigor and inability to be replicated. The concept of a soul, let alone one with measurable weight, remains outside empirical evidence and is more a philosophical or spiritual question than a scientific one.

No credible evidence supports the soul weighing 21 grams or any specific weight. The idea persists more as a cultural curiosity than a fact.

>>22886270
>What is?
The weight loss at the exact moment of death. Not an hour or day later but immediately. As you die you 21 grams of something go somewhere

>>22886272
See above

>>22886271
I see, thanks.

>>22886133
iT is a plausible theory, only for those who have never experienced pussy

>>22886271
>The experiment had serious flaws: a tiny sample size,
Sample size is required for measiring average IQs and stuff, or if you want to know how much does a person lose on average but if you measure 1 person at the time of death and it loses 21 grams then you have something. You only need a few so you know you didn't measure something wrong.
>inconsistent measurements (only one patient’s 21-gram loss was highlighted),
Still weight is lost
>and no control for factors like air leaving the lungs or bodily fluids evaporating.
Air is 5 grams and bodily fluids don't evaporate in a second
>Modern science dismisses the study
Modern science says genders are fluid and all kinds of stupid shit
>due to its lack of rigor and inability to be replicated.
Lmao just measure a dying person, how hard is that. You see they are not arguing in good faith

>>22886276
>Lmao just measure a dying person, how hard is that
Again
>>22886271
>only one patient’s 21-gram loss was highlighted)
You believe in nonsense. This experiment can be replicated.

>>22886127 (OP)
Atheists are mid-wits

>>22886277
>This experiment can be replicated.
Exactly
>only one patient’s 21-gram loss was highlighted)
So how do you explain that

>>22886279
>>This experiment can be replicated.
>Exactly
Then you have nothing
>>22886279
>>only one patient’s 21-gram loss was highlighted)
>So how do you explain that
Because there isn't a soul, let alone it weighing 21 grams. Otherwise the other bodies would have recorder the same thing. You'd be able to replicate this of it were true. But you can't because it's not

>>22886279
>>This experiment can be replicated.
Can't* be replicated. Sorry

>>22886280
>Because there isn't a soul
How do you know that with certainty, regardless of this experiment
>Otherwise the other bodies would have recorder the same thing.
They did record weight loss
>You'd be able to replicate this of it were true. But you can't because it's not
Why isn't it replicable, did somebody else perform the experiment and showed it to be false

>>22886127 (OP)
>nothing political here, wrong board
>feels like you are butthurt christcuck trying to bait people into arguments that they cannot win because you are just so goddamn black to understand logic and therefore wont give up
sage, go slide threads into your local jewish priest's asshole

>>22886282
>How do you know that with certainty, regardless of this experiment
Prove me wrong
>They did record weight loss
Not the same weight loss
>>22886282
>Why isn't it replicable,
Because the weight is different per body.

Why are you this dumn?

>>22886136

This opinion is a dead giveaway for a person whose relationship to Scripture is indirect. Like you think South Park's version of Job is just another translation, or that Family Guy cutaways involving Jesus or the bearded old man reflect what's present in the Bible. Idc what you read anon, or what you chose to believe, but this take is retarded, and would better have been espoused by an Amerifat. Europeans get shown primaries in school don't they? Didn't you actually get to read Locke and Swift? Do better. Do better for English.

>>22886247
no, atheists does not claim 100% certainty about gods non-existence no matter how BADLY people like you want it to

>>22886284
>Prove me wrong
It doesn't work like that. You asserted something with absolute certainty. How can you be so sure that "soul doesn't exist"
>Not the same weight loss
So people lose weight at the moment of death, it exceeds the weight of the last breath, it can't be explained but it's not "always the same".
People who exercise don't lose the same amount of weight, does it mean fat doesn't exist
>Why isn't it replicable,
>Because the weight is different per body.
So what is that weight ?

>>22886287
>>Prove me wrong
>It doesn't work like that
You claim there is such as a soul. Prove it
>>22886287
>So people lose weight at the moment of death, it exceeds the weight of the last breath, it can't be explained
It can be explained.
>>22886287
>>Because the weight is different per body.
>So what is that weight ?
Bro, why are you still responding?

>>22886288
No, I say there was an experiment and the results can't be explained. The guy who did the experiment says its a soul. He doesn't define what the soul is, but something other than air leaves body at the moment of death.
You, otoh, adamantly exclaim
>Soul doesn't exist
So how do you know
>It can be explained.
So explain it
>Bro, why are you still responding?
Well, what is that weight ? If you don't want to discuss just stop btw

>>22886289
>No, I say there was an experiment and the results can't be explained
Bit the results are explained. What it doesn't do is explain nor demonstrate a soul existing
>So how do you know
I haven't been convinced there is and everyone has subjective ways of trying to explain it.
>>It can be explained.
>So explain it
See above.
>>22886289
>Well, what is that weight ?
What weight my man? You came into this day a soul weighs 22 grams from a bogus experiment over 100 years ago. Then when that experiment showed not each body lost the same weight, you seem to change your position that a soul weighs different for each person?

You are desperately grabbing at straws

>>22886287
> moment of death
How do you even define moment of death. The brain is still viable for quite some time after the apparent moment of death.

>>22886289
>>22886290
There’s no conclusive scientific evidence that a body loses a measurable amount of weight at the exact moment of death due to some metaphysical cause, like the departure of a soul. The 1907 experiment by Dr. Duncan MacDougall, which claimed a 21-gram weight loss at death, is the primary source for this idea, but it’s widely discredited. His study involved only six patients, had inconsistent results (only one showed the 21-gram loss), and didn’t account for variables like air escaping the lungs, bodily fluids evaporating, or even scale inaccuracies.

At death, physiological processes stop, but no immediate weight loss occurs beyond what can be explained by natural factors. For example, exhalation of residual air or loss of muscle tension might cause minor scale fluctuations, but these are negligible and not instantaneous. Over time, a body may lose weight due to dehydration or decomposition, but this happens post-mortem, not at the precise moment of death.

>>22886290
>Bit the results are explained.
No they are not
>Weight of the air is 5g
>It was measured at the table so bodily fluids didn't go anywhere
>There's the weight loss that's not accounted for

>I haven't been convinced there is
But you have been convinced there isn't one, you are absolutely adamant about it, so how do you know
>that a soul weighs different for each person
Why not ? Everything else does
>>22886291
They didn't come back

>>22886293
>No they are not
See above
>>22886293
>But you have been convinced there isn't one
Yup. And you're not doing anything to change that
>>that a soul weighs different for each person
>Why not ? Everything else does
See? You changed the goal post

>>22886291
There was no way to do that in 1907. The entire experiment is bunk on that alone nevermind the other problems with it.

>>22886292
>but it’s widely discredited.
Did somebody try to replicate it or did they just waive their hand
>Be Barbara McClintock
>Realize genes can jump from one plant to another in 1940s
>Scientists: lmao that's stupid get out
>Had to stop publishing
>40 years later: ehm, you were right, here's your Nobel Prize

>>22886294
You haven't provided an explanation
>I'm still not convinced
That's fine, but you're adamant it does NOT exist, so can you prove it
>Muh goalposts
It's the same thing. What is that weight

>>22886296
>Did somebody try to replicate
You moron, his own experiment deemed it wasn't replicable
>>22886297
>You haven't provided an explanation
Sure have
>>22886297
>>Muh goalposts
>It's the same thing. What is that weight
No it isn't. You said a soul weighs 21 grams. Then when the experiment shows not each person lost the same weight you change your argument that it's different for each person

You're grasping at straws

>>22886298
>Then when the experiment shows not each person lost the same weight you change your argument that it's different for each person
So one lost 21, the other 18, the other 19, the other 17
What is that weight

>>22886127 (OP)
Yep, the gay-theist anti-theists might as well just come clean. Please take a look at picrel, pretty soon the 2 will forever be known as one anyway. A little birdy whos heart isn't in it told me this one pisses Eglin off too. Why would that be now? Are you NOT supposed to have passions in life? I would fuck an air-whore up his ASS if I ever caught the traitor in a dark alley one night. You can take that to the bank too!

>>22886299
>So one lost 21, the other 18, the other 19, the other 17
>What is that weight
Not consistent and not 21 grams and not replicable

>>22886300
>had feelings hurt by an atheist

>>22886127 (OP)
>Please be christian goyim! We need to destroy your culture so we can exploit you!
>t. kike

>>22886283
>Automatically attacks Christians
Why with atheists is it never the jews?

>>22886286
They do. Real atheists. Not the weak willed reddit drones who can't commit.

>>22886304
>Why with atheists is it never the jews? jews don't knock on my door. Nor are they loudest or most egotistical and narcissistic
>>22886304
>They do. Real atheists
You don't know what atheism is

>>22886130
You either believe in supernatural magic or don’t. Agnosticism doesn’t make sense.

>>22886305
>kikes have no bearing on the world nor the post on /pol/
How's the weather in tel aviv?

>>22886127 (OP)