The whole "age gap" debate is very western/white coded. The reason it's taken so seriously in white communities is because of how poorly the women age. In a lot of places, the women still look good into their 30s, but because of a diet of goyslop, partying, drinking, coke, casual sex, etc, it ages them and makes them look like shit. Ironically, age gaps are more normalized in Eastern and middle eastern culture while in the west any relationship where the man is 4-5 years older is seen as weird.

Pic related, this "Japanese school girl" was in her early 30s when this picture was taken.

>>22889443 (OP)
I honestly don't care what a society that thinks it's acceptable to be; a whore, a wigger/nigger who acts like a criminal gang member, or a stoner, alcoholic, putting kids on puberty blockers thus atrophying their brains plus gonads and endocrine organs, thinks. If it's legal, shares my beliefs, is a virgin wants children and loves me or pretends to love me I will engage in a relationship and marry it plus give her as many years of my servitude as possible.

>>22889443 (OP)
the only thing I REALLY care about is bodycount
too bad most women at or above 7/10 will be in double digits by the time they're 18

>>22889444

Yeah but most people will want her to date a guy her own age, and most women will feel the same.

Also desu you're better off getting a virgin woman in her early-mid 20s than at 18. The 18-19 year old girl may just not have had an opportunity to be a whore while the early-mid 20s woman obviously had a chance to be a whore and stayed pure

>>22889446
>Yeah but most people will want her to date a guy her own age, and most women will feel the same.

Again don't care, the biggest issue is chastity, which here in the USA pretty much makes it so I'm chasing after a unicorn essentially due to how slutty women are here.

>>22889443 (OP)
You will never get rid of the wage gap. Women are valued by their looks and ability to make babies, men are valued by their ability to provide and the social status. Former happens when you're young, the latter happens when you're older. Any debate over age gaps is just roasties seething over lost youth and status-less zoomies raging about not being old enough to have accumulated wealth and social credit

>>22889446
>virgin woman in her early-mid 20s
lmao
good luck finding one that isnt hideous obese monster

>>22889443 (OP)
>demoralization thread
>Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics, cults, and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear. These threads and articles are demoralizing propaganda. Don’t believe the kike lie.

If you don’t have friends or family, go join a church. The people in the church believe that IT’S THEIR JOB AS CHRISTIANS TO MAKE YOU PART OF THE COMMUNITY. They will go out of their way to fit you in. It doesn’t matter if you don’t have strong social skills. Just be honest and they WILL take you in and teach you. At least a good church will, so if you don’t find it at one, then keep trying until you find a good one. It’s God’s plan that you have a good mate and family and be supported by a strong community.

It’s amusing that there’s a fat tranny shill like you being paid 10 cents per post that barely makes enough money to pay for your dilating supplies. But your time here will be over soon when you kill yourself for not being a real woman.

>>22889447


Honestly the only place you're going to find virgin women aplenty is the Middle East, and the issue there is even if you don't mind race mixing, the women that are "pure" won't be interested in you, even if you're rich since they can easily just marry a rich man from their own culture.

>>22889448

Not anymore. More and more gen z women are DEMANDING men also be attractive as well. Hence the "chopped man epidemic" memes going viral and women complaining how they don't see attractive men anymore. It's NO LONGER enough to just be rich, you also need to be attractive and have social skills. Women want and are sleeping with men that are the full package. Part of looks is being young since men are at their prime when they're YOUNG

>>22889449

I mean if you can scout the fat ones with good bone structure that's where I'd start. Getting one that's just inexperienced will end poorly since her friends will sway her to leave you and be a thot.

>>22889450

I was in a church growing up and never felt like I fit in. Also once you're passed a certain age they stop caring about if you're married and just assume you're gay.

>>22889443 (OP)
It’s normal everywhere but the west but whites age badly
Teens and early 20s they look good
Then they burn out hard

>>22889445
Here it’s the fat ugly and mids with higher notch counts because chad and tyrone use them

The hot girl only dates chads and leads on many simps

No, the reason why it's taken so seriously in the western or "white" world is because whites, regrettably, were the first wave of people to give widespread equality to their women, socially and legally. In doing so, women then pushed for relationships to be equal as well. And if you're dating a woman 5+ years your junior at 30, it's considered an "unequal power imbalance" because they think you'll just take advantage of a younger woman's naivety to control and manipulate her.
It's all complete and utter bullshit pushed by undesirable hags, but that's just the way it is. If you're attractive enough and can pull younger women, go for it and be happy while you watch eggless roasties seethe.

>>22889453

Is it actually normal though? I feel like for most women it's seen as weird to have a large age gap.

>>22889454
Very true. Most Chads use mids for easy sex since most Stacies want a relationship and can get one. The Staceys dont actually put out as much as the mids trying to find validation

>>22889455
This. But my djiboutian lady is 40 and looks like she's 25. Therefore op Is also correct that white women are like shit. I have a coworker who is 39, blonde white woman and she literally looks like she's 55. Lmao. Sorry but east African women (beautiful ones) are far superior in this regard.

>>22889457

Yup. The East African, Middle Eastern, and Asian women age really well. I know a west African man that's in his early 70s that looks a good 10-15 years younger.

>>22889443 (OP)
> in the west any relationship where the man is 4-5 years older is seen as weird.
I guess you're very young? Even today nobody cares if both people are over 25. I'm 39 and my wife is 35, nobody cares nor did anybody ever care.

>>22889453
>Whites have smallest penis
>Conveniently leaves out India
>Canadian flag

Lol lmao
https://archive.is/cCRZJ
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Condoms designed to meet international size specifications are too big for many Indian men as their penises fall short of what manufacturers had anticipated, an Indian study has found.
The Indian Council of Medical Research, a leading state-run center, said its initial findings from a two-year study showed 60 percent of men in the financial capital Mumbai had penises about 2.4 cm (one inch) shorter than those condoms catered for.
For a further 30 percent, the difference was at least 5 cm (two inches). A poor fit meant the prophylactics often didn't do the job they were bought for, and led to some tearing or slipping off during use.

Sukhdeep sit the fuck down

>coded
you fags really love tumblrisms, huh?

>>22889443 (OP)
this age gap bullshit is the newest hot meme spam here, which is even more retarded because this website is mostly autistic teenagers

>>22889446
>Yeah but most people will want her to date a guy her own age
WHO THE FUCK CARES NOT HER NOT ME, NOT HER PARENTS FUCK OFF NIGGER

>>22889459


That's acceptable though. You're correct and someone said it's because women are seen as "equal" and if the man is older he will just dominate the relationship.

Basically they believe in the 50/50 bullshit.

>>22889456
>most women
over 30 maybe.

>>22889456
>Stacies want a relationship and can get one. The Staceys dont actually put out as much as the mids trying to find validation
Now you're slowly figuring out why 30s femcels hate age gaps. They were stacey once, but their mental illness drove off their older BF, and now they blame him for the breakup eternally and think they got groomed.

When I was 12, I had already gone through puberty and was pretty developed. I learned very quickly that men don't care if you're 12 as long as you LOOK like you're 17-18.

This is why I argue so strongly for age of consent laws. I was fucking 12, and grown men were trying to fuck me because I was a C cup and looked older. And I liked the attention, because all any girl wants is to feel wanted and mature and adult. It's why we start fantasizing about our first cars and sneak cigarettes from our parents - we want to feel older and cool.

I didn't know I could say no to these men, and I felt so much older and mature when they'd pay attention to me, and so that began a rough few years of letting men have sex with me. I phrase it that way because that's what it was - did I say yes? Yes. Did I want to? No. I was scared to say no to these older guys. It took till maybe 18 or so before I realized I didn't have to do anything I didn't want to.

>inb4 creeps saying 12 year old slutty me wanted it

>>22889464
>the man is older he will just dominate the relationship.
OK but the man dominates the relationship anyways, their 50/50 fantasy doesn't work and the stats prove it.

>>22889467
You were a 12 year old slut and you wanted it.
Just kidding, you will never be a woman.

>>22889467
Your parents should have educated you sooner on these matters instead of coping and pretending you're not a sexual being until you're 18. Society's denial of reality does more damage than anything else, and putting up safeguards to deny reality so that retards can keep coping and pretending is not effective or safe for anyone.

>>22889466


It's sad how many women are genuinely mentally ill because it's unironically very easy for a woman to be in a relationship but they ruin it with their poor mental health. The thing is now women will actively shit on a woman if her boyfriend is much older than her to the point she doesn't want to date him.

>>22889463

If her friends all tell her to date someone more "age appropriate" she will fold like laundry.

>>22889462

With teens it's even weirder cause a 21 year old dating a 18 year old is seen as a creep by EVERYONE.Like most people are okay with a woman over 25 dating whoever but they don't want to be taken advantage of because their prefrontal cortex isn't developed.

>>22889468

You're not wrong but the idea is that they're "partners". Also you're correct, nowadays usually the woman just runs the relationship and household.

>>22889465

Honestly go talk to some women on the street most won't entertain an older guy. Most have their preferences set to guys their own age.

>>22889471
>their prefrontal cortex isn't developed
And they are incapable of actually translating what that means. "More emotional" cool bro. Not lacking logic though. Not incapable of making decisions or having agency. Can vote, can go to war, can work, can sign contracts, can take on large debt and loans, can decide on a career for the rest of their lives, can do porn or be prostitutes and ruin their reputation for the rest of their lives, but NOPE CAN'T HAVE CONSENSUAL SAFE SEX unless the other person is within 205.73 days of their age.

>>22889467
If you consider yourself a willing participant, then you absolutely did want it. That doesnt mean those men should have engaged with you. Thats a separate issue, and them them being creeps and you wanting it is true. If this was any other teen area like smoking, fast driving, weed etc... you would 100% admit that YOU were at complicit in what happens even if there is peer pressure etc. Why do you think sex is any different?

>>22889474
*are both true

>>22889443 (OP)
There is no debate and there is no 'rule'. There is only the law. Women are generally biologically breedable at age 14 and that has been the usual age of conception. Morally there is nothing wrong with this - particularly if the goal is to actually build a family, marry and support her. It becomes decadent if used for satisfaction or through exploitation (Ie: drugging, blackmailing, prostitution or using other leverage to coerce).

Below the age of puberty is is always reprehensible and it serves no functional purpose other than perversion. Anyone who abuses a young child should be ostracized and beaten.

In history men have led armies at the age of 12 to 16. To assume that a woman does not 'know what is doing' is a failure of the society and the parents. The concept of 'grooming a wife' is also not negative - particularly if the woman feels positive about it. The alternative is that she is raised to be neurotic and hate herself, rather than to respect herself and feel loved.

In short my philosophy is this:
Teens (past puberty) => Acceptable if married or committed. No abuse of power dynamic, ideally with parental consent.

Pre-Pubescent => Not acceptable in any context. Abusive by default and should not be entertained.

Adult (17-18) => Free game, no pretext of respect required or requirement for firm commitment.

The reason for current consent laws as to explicitly clamp down on child prostitution, but not teenage marriage. Even up until about 2012 men had no issue acknowledging the beauty/attractiveness of a 16 year old. But with feminism, hagification and safety society - we have seen this turn into obsession. Where people conflate a 16 year old woman with an 11 year old. Because it is in the hags interest to remove younger women from the dating market, particularly if they are more inclined to be agreeable.

>>22889472
>an older guy
an ugly guy maybe. IDK about the streets, but I go to church and there are a lot of younger women there and several of them crush on me pretty bad knowing I'm a single dad and don't belong in their little young adults club.
>>22889474
>If you consider yourself a willing participant, then you absolutely did want it.
Noooo not accountability!
But like I said, if femanon is telling the truth, her real problem is not that she lacked capacity somehow, it's that her parents infantalized her in denial of the obvious sexual markers, and refused to properly educate her on relationships and such. If her parents didn't completely fucking fail to recognize what was in front of their faces, they could've talked to her about what she was going to go through, see in the world, what to expect, how to navigate it, and to remain open and honest with them about it.
This is why forcing young people into secrecy and shunning and pretending there is no sexuality in teens with developed bodies does nothing but damage.

>>22889467

IDK why but in the 00s it was super common for older dudes to creep on younger women.

>>22889473

Part of it is they think that it's better for people to date around their own age and not date an unc.

>>22889478
Zoomer language detected. You will never understand until you actually become an attractive older man, how much young women lie about this shit, you still believe what women say at face value, you are obviously young.

>>22889476
I agree with this whole philosophy, though I still prefer to have parental consent up to like 19/20 personally, but I lean more towards marriage than casual sex, if we are talking just casual sex, then you're right.

>>22889443 (OP)
> 4-5 years older is seen as weird
this has only been the case for like 5 years maybe.. and as we know it doesn't apply to celebrities/super rich.. and they don't suffer for it in the slightest.. meaning it's not a value people actually hold very deeply. it's just another of the endless ways progressives try to demonstrate a sense of moral superiority
the majority of married couple that got together prior to the 2000s, so people's parents/grandparents probably have something like a 7 year age gap

>>22889443 (OP)
Nothing western about it, only fat retarded americans going on about it

>>22889478
Its not though. Young guys who date women their own age or older usually end up failing their woman due to their own immaturity and inability to protect and provide

>>22889480
Yes that is reasonable, though it would also require a change in mentality. Where parents actually need to be invested in the future of their daughter and the creation of families.

Older man will provide resources and guidance to a younger wife, in turn she raises children and will take care of him when he is older.

I would have less issue with the casual component if we were back in the 2000's. But with the amount of foreign sex pests and general degradation of men mentally - best the focus remain on a respect model for women outside the age of majority. (To be clear, post-pubescent women).

>>22889482
Americans and Anglos / Canadians by proxy moralize some of the strangest things.

>>22889456
Because it means if they leave their man they’ll be forced to date even older

>>22889483
True. Most men are conservative, most women are liberal and youth is a factor for radicalization. Most older men are more moderate about their beliefs, or at least able to present them in a more approachable manner. Young men are too edgy and emotional about their politics.
Simply saying "Yeah I'm conservative and I don't like this and that, but also I do think Andrew Tate is gay because he's a muslim, and pimping out women is not based" is enough to make women respect you, because the men their own age are so fucking brainrotted on this shit.

>>22889481
It also only applies if the woman is below 25. Nobody cares if a 30 year old dates a 26 year old, or if a 60 year old dates a 40 year old, even today.

>>22889460
7.5in is the international standard
Meaning 60% were 6.5inches
30% were 5.5 inches
10% met the standard or above

Nice try Jew

>>22889443 (OP)
White people are retarded unfortunately. I made friends with an izakaya owner who is 49, and she was trying to marry me off to her 20 year old daughter by the end of my second trip. I’m 37.

>>22889484
Yes and there still needs to be laws in place to provide extra protections against coercion, abuse, and exploitation of teens, as long as they're taught early on and also allowed to be open about what they're going through and not compelled to hide it out of fear for ruining peoples lives...
>>22889467
... then this fucking retard wouldn't have fucked up for 6 years so bad.

>>22889487
quite frankly i don't know what the rules are.. it's probably the most highly variable progressive social norm they've contrived yet..
i've seen complaints of every example you made and far more minor and unexplainable

>>22889467
Basically those trashy chad girls in Rotherham
Normal ones didn’t do that
You’re basically the girl version of the kid that east s worms

>>22889486
>edgy and emotional
This is something you cannot undersatnd as it happening. Only later once you grow out of do you realize how nuts younger people are. Im over 40 now and it seems like anyone under 30 has lost their fucking mind

>>22889443 (OP)

People are uncomfortable with the reality that true and proper consent in anything is based on whether someone is educated and intelligent enough to understand what something is, why they want to engage in doing such a thing, and are proven to host both self- and situational- awareness because they themselves fail to pass this test as they run on auto-pilot relying on the state to think for them setting up arbitrary parameters for their comfort.

>>22889489
I am 36 and being pushed to marry a 20 yo by her parents and older brother from church cause they know she crushes on me. It still happens, but mostly quietly within traditional circles or small towns.

>>22889482
You had legal cp back in the 70s

>>22889495
>>22889489
Dam gigachads green text your stats

>>22889487
Age gap rule is just something retards use to cope with their own lives. There are a lot of people who want to live their lives around some false moral code while ignoring things that are moral. (Such as strength, power and confidence).

>>22889490
Yep, ideally some type of consent from both the parents and the woman / man. With a statement of intention and a transfer of liability to a degree.

Though outside of this, there also needs to be a fundamental reshaping of public benefits for women and access to alimony / support. The current system incentivizes too much poor decision making and gives women too much support. If these things were taken away, women would be more selective about their partners and less foolish. As well it incentivizes 'sorting things out' rather than monkey branching or leaving without fault.

>>22889497
I'm gonna do it too. IDK what you mean by stats tho. If you mean bodycount idk cause I never kept count. I fucked a lot in my early 20s. A lot. It's all a drunk stoned haze though.

>>22889481


They do suffer. Bezos had to marry an "age appropriate woman" or suffer, Belichick got made fun of HARD for dating such a young woman

>>22889489
White Mothers have the bad habit of being narcissists. Because of this they see themselves as competing with their daughters and would rather their daughters become lonely hags than set them up.

With the death of third places, infestation of foreigners and dating apps we've seen the death of proper relationships. I'm too busy working to meet women in their 20's and have no shared spaces and all the women who are around me are hags (35+) or ethnic.

>>22889500
'Made Fun Of' is fat men complaining that they cant do the same while drinking beer and watching the game. As well as old hags thinking they should have access to high status men - when they have dwindled their own status away (youth, beauty and fertility).

>>22889500
True. And they have been absolutely relentless against Leonardo DiCaprio. Apparently he is now dating a 27 yo and "broke his rule" which everyone made note of, but she's still hot, I think he's just doing whatever he wants still kinda.

>>22889499

Well there you go. Thats why you still are blessed. The dudes that weren't fucking and still expecting to get a young woman are delusional.

>>22889501
Try church-hopping. Find the one with a childcare/classrooms for kids during service and adult functions, usually is family focused, more of the young people will be there naturally.
>>22889503
I am blessed in my current situation because I worked my ass off for it, went to the gym, dedicated my free time to volunteering, dressing nicer, cooking more at home and having friends over to cook quality meals for them (led to inviting her brother over via mutual friends) etc.
I have not had sex in probably 5 years. And no dating profiles.
But maybe past sex has something to do with it but I doubt it. Just having a cute kid and showing how good a dad I am by focusing on her so much shows traits women like a lot, that alone seemed to get me in the door with the girls, the rest got me in the door with their families.
Which is why I agree that the parents should know and consent to this stuff, and should be involved that way, earning their approval and respect has driven me to be better which she will benefit from. Girls learning how to have reasonable standards all on their own by fucking up over and over until they're 30 and then overcompensating with outrageous standards hasn't done any favors. The culture needs to reverse. The family needs to be more involved.

>>22889443 (OP)
lol. These last several years have been nothing but full blown government sponsored agitprop. It’s impossible to say what was and what was not a commonly held opinion in recent years. There’s no way to accurately tell. USAID money (and associated funding) permitting a pseudo reality where untold hordes of paid activists were busy every day working from a script with the intent of the whole operation being total information dominance.
Those attitudes you cite are not representative of the people and to whatever extent they are, the attitude is very new — and the people who have these attitudes are washed up women nobody wants. Their last and final hope seems to be using legal pressure to force men to want them. Hostility to age gaps of any kind is one of the most pathetic things going.
Nobody batted an eye when Seinfeld was dating a 17 year old publicly at 38. People were happy for him. Probably not Joy Baer or any of the gals on The View. But normal, well adjusted and sensible people were all for it. This age discrimination thing has got to go. The age of consent has to be indexed at the age when a girl can legally obtain an abortion without parental consent. If she’s old enough to make that decision, she certainly can decide who she wants to sleep with.
I would honestly say there’s an advantage in that kind of arrangement. Imagine all the people you won’t have to interact with.

>>22889443 (OP)
No matter your age, 18 to 27 women are ideal.

I'm not playing games

>>22889443 (OP)
All 30-50 year old lifelong incels deserve only the most beautiful teen brides, for all the suffering they endured. Involuntary celibacy is no joke, it maims and kills countless every year!

>>22889505
>This age discrimination thing has got to go.
Not many believe me when I say this yet, but they're starting to; "Pedophile" is the new "Nazi" or "Racist". It's being heavily overused, a word that is mean to define people attracted to asexual prepubescent children, is being thrown around at people who are in completely normal, *healthy*, consensual relationships because it gives them "the ick".
People are being desensitized to this accusation more and more every day. The frustration of the prudes is going to reach a fever pitch where they start chimping out more in public. The impatience of dealing with their behavior by the general public is increasingly likely to manifest soon, and it's going to happen faster than most of these situations happen, because the government is going to be inclined to keep the order here and they just need an excuse to do so. And they will do so by declaring a protected class/trait and punishing disturbance of the peace and inciting hatred. The left or the right are both viable to push this kind of motion, but I think the right will do it, and it will be less homosexual if they do it so I'd prefer that.

>>22889500
>Belichick got made fun
you sound like a fucking faggot

>>22889509
This generally becomes worse when you add in foreign men. Men who are very happy to abuse women (Teens) by plying them with alcohol, drugs or whatever else. Yet they are condoned and allowed by the administrative structure to engage in this behavior without stigma. Even in the case of stigma - they are such pieces of shit with no form of self, that its irrelevant.

A man will then ask himself why its wrong for him to have a consensual and caring relationship, a family, etc. Yet the proposition is treated like the most horrific of acts.

>>22889509
people are losing the ability to process that something they dont like is just something they dont like. Everything is being is treated as a major crime, when it isnt. This diminishes value in a situation where actual crime takes place. For example, there is a woman on Instagram making videos about her choir teacher asking her date. She even wrote a book about this. He didnt ask her on a date until she was 19 and he was 34. They had known each other since she was 11. By her own admission everything was strictly profession until she was 19 and he was divorced. She turned him down, and he left her alone after that. Subsquently, she is married with 2 children. However, she is claiming she was "groomed" etc. She is now trying to monetize being a "victim" of abuse when she admits no abuse occurred. This devalues those in situations where actual abuse occurred.

It's specifically Anglo brain rot. Those niggas have always been weirdly puritanical. In my country the AOC is 14 and I've never in my life encountered someone who got mad about age gaps.

>>22889511
>Phoneposting from bed now
One big reason I hope the right are the ones to address all this is because the right will empower the parents and the left will empower the youth. The left will throw young people to the wolves while restraining their parents from having influence or control, cucking the parents, and allowing young people to get bribed with drugs and alcohol openly.
The right would empower parents to gatekeep access to their children up to a certain age, which would not only help the youth learn boundaries and expectations from their parents lessons about it, but also allows family planning and of course, racial or religious based partner selection.
The left will destroy youth further, the right will guide them to a better future.

>>22889443 (OP)
Mariya Takeuchi is still fuckable at 70.
Asian women are built different.

>>22889513
And yet all nations follow the Anglo AOC for any visual media, which is complete insanity

As in for example in Finland, you can fuck a 16 yo in any way you want, but you can't even compliment sexually a picture of her, even if she was dressed.

>>22889516
Stable diffusion is liberation.

>>22889467
flag checks out

>>22889467


how about fuck you

let men do what they want

if u dont want to dont

leave everyone else free

u dirty jew feminist

>>22889469
/thread kek

>>22889471
those who complain about the age gap should be corrected

>>22889472


oh bullshit

women run jack

damn they really moved this shit.

>>22890093
Is this where threads go to die?

>>22890134


Probably. I've never been on here until I saw they moved it.

>>22890769

And of course the thread dies.

>>22889443 (OP)
>meme flag

>>22891473
Still here but nothing to really engage now

>>22891477


It's a good flag

>>22889443 (OP)
who writes this shit man

how do i get paid to write this shit?

>>22892661

why do you assume I was paid to write this?

>>22893131
i just wanna know how i can get paid to write this >>22889443 (OP) stuff

>>22893134


I mean if you're serious there are places that hire shills to post on message boards it isn't a lot of money though.

>>22893520
i just wonder how to make people write that stuff

probably some rand corporation shit
so fucking tir

>>22893533


what the fuck would I even be selling?

>>22895846
i just need meds probably

>>22895861
That might be a fair assessment if you put this much thought and energy into this. IMO though, a little grass touching and time at the gym and socializing IRL is the best therapy and medication combined.

>>22896400
i'm in kind of a dead-end town
all the promising people my age have moved to a city or somewehre else, save for one whose poised to be one of the town patriarchs basically

i probably should anyway, but fuck man
idk

>>22896405

why cant you move? Even getting a shit job in a major city is better than living in a dead end place. Expand your horizons

>>22897006
>why cant you move?
i probably can/should
i dropped out of highschool though, and i'm 21 now
i've never worked
i'd be completely on my own with no support network, i just fear ending up in a mental hospital or jail mainly