Yahweh created the mortal world, but he is not the creator of all things. Yahweh himself is a creature of a Greater God. Jews worship Yahweh, but Yahweh is a part of Satan. Jesus is born from the Living God to save humanity from the forces of Satan, but Yahweh and the other members of Satan are constantly trying to stop Him.

>>22891268 (OP)
The real god is a mushroom. This is what the gnostics knew. You gotta eat the truth, and become the truth.

>>22891268 (OP)
Yahweh isn't part of Satan, Yahweh IS Satan.

You were so close to being based.

>>22891268 (OP)
Brahman is God. You can reject all the other stuff from Hinduism but that much is true. There's one consciousness that's experiencing everything.

>>22891271
Yes, but it is an inferior god. You and OP are talking about the Demiurge. He just creates matter, he didn't create our Spirit.

>>22891268 (OP)
Meds

>>22891273
Show nose

>>22891272
No. Brahma is the demiurge, not Brahman. Annoyingly similar words, I know. Brahman is similar to the One in Platonism. It's also essentially nothingness or the void, in my opinion.

>>22891275
You're not wrong. The way I see it: Brahman (One) is eternal, but Brahma isn't. The Demiurge undergoes life and death. It has an expiration date. This universe has an expiration date. But the principle behind the universe, Brahman doesn't. Also the Demiurge is semi-conscious, Brahman is more like an infinite ocean of potential, not nothingness. Nothingness can't exist by definition.

>>22891276
>You're not wrong. The way I see it: Brahman (One) is eternal, but Brahma isn't. The Demiurge undergoes life and death. It has an expiration date. This universe has an expiration date. But the principle behind the universe, Brahman doesn't.
From what I understand, this is basically what Hinduism says. There is also an infinite amount of universes and they all have a Demiurge.
>Brahman is more like an infinite ocean of potential, not nothingness. Nothingness can't exist by definition.
"Everythingness" can't either, but that is still what it is. From what I understand the two ultimately end up being the same. Regardless, if you return / merge back with it then you will cease to exist.

>>22891268 (OP)
optional salad dressing. you should be focusing on the true Good God and being a good person.

>>22891268 (OP)

>>22891278
You should be who you want to be and live the life you want to live, regardless of what any god, man, or even the planet is telling you

>>22891268 (OP)
Truth. The “god” of the old testament is literally Satan. If you re-read the OT knowing this everything makes much more sense.

>>22891280
>you should be your own god and know good or evil yourself
quiet, serpent.

>>22891278
>oi vey we need a magic jew to forgive us
Lol

>>22891268 (OP)
Jesus’ name means „Yah saves“
Satan means adversary
You should know good from evil, it’s your inheritance

>>22891277
>There is also an infinite amount of universes and they all have a Demiurge.
I'm more inclined to the view that there is only 1 Demiurge for all of the universes, not each universe having their own demiurge. But yes I agree that there are infinite or at least a very large amount of universes. Maybe billions. Infinite is very hard to prove...
Something can't come from nothing. You're not making much sense. I believe that something ALWAYS existed, potential always existed. But complete nothingness? Nah.

>>22891282

>>22891285
>there’s no number after 0

Kys

>>22891285
Nothing came from anything. Nothing actually physically exists. It's just consciousness, and that's all there is, all there was, and all there evil will be. And it's the eternal present. There is no past or future.

>>22891285
I mean, what you probably mean is "unmanifested potential", so in a way yes it was nothingness. But the potential was still there. It can't be otherwise. But I respect your views.

>>22891268 (OP)
Yhvh is saturn. Jesus is also saturn. These are kabbalistic abstractions of a reality which can not be named

>>22891290
I mean check the gematria guys, tell me abrahamism isnt just a big archetypal psychokabbalistic mind net. I mean what has government been doing for thousands of years we are given scraps from the table of knowledge laced with sedatives

>>22891286
You have to discover it for yourself, but good and evil exist objectively and the only thing any person ought to want is to be good, and the only thing they ought to want to avoid is evil. That's why the Buddhists describe the One as sunyata or "emptiness", because to reach a higher state of being you have to empty yourself of petty human materialistic concerns and allow The Good to fill you completely, so that there's nothing left but pure good will.

>>22891293
Even if this is true, people should be "good" because they want to be good. Not because you told them to be good.

>worjhib me, goy :---DDD

>>22891294
Exactly, that's why it has to be self discovered. The only way for a person to be good is for them to value good behavior for its own sake. The moment it's being done for reward or to avoid punishment, that person is a mere opportunist and has nothing in common with a man of virtue.

>lol bro im god haha give me kid blood

>>22891295
https://youtu.be/XG8dgN6x2EA?

I've been thinking on the garden of eden as gnostic parable.
Adam is one degree removed from God and Eve is two degrees removed by virtue of being created from Adam's rib instead of God's clay.

>>22891299
wait til you hear about Lilith

>>22891298
kek

>>22891268 (OP)
We just need to destroy the material world then everything will be fine, goy!

>>22891302
>The war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed
>Aug. 15, 1871

>>22891303
Both Nazism and Zionism were invented by them at a later time so wheres the issue?

>>22891304
I...whatever.

>>22891303
who do you think convinced adolf to use a swastika?

i hate christkikes so much

>>22891291
I'm not gnostic, but demiurge threads still are funny to me

>>22891307
>i hate christkikes so much

>>22891306
Who else?

>>22891268 (OP)
>Jesus is born from the Living God
Jesus is Yahweh

Jon 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

>>22891305
how far ahead do you think the ruling elites plan?

>>22891294
maybe that's the point of free will and mortal life behind the veil of ignorance

>>22891312
two weeks

>>22891275
>It's also essentially nothingness or the void, in my opinion.
That's where you're wrong. The One is the limitless source of all being.

>>22891315
It's not the exact same as Platonism, it was just similar in that context

>>22891300
>Don't marry a quarrelsome woman
Succ

>>22891314
Every time a jew says he hates Jesus, God adds two more weeks until their "messiah" returns

>>22891268 (OP)
NOHWEH!

>>22891315
One is the source of Being and all lesser beings, but One isn't Being itself nor does it have being. In that sense One is ineffable or "empty", because it's well and truly simple and without parts. The Platonic notion of One lines up perfectly with Buddhism's Sunyata or Emptiness, they simply use opposite words to describe the same reality. It's everything and it's nothing because it creates being without being being. It's everywhere yet also nowhere because it transcends locations altogether. When you really understand what One is, both descriptors are equally acceptable because neither one is able to fully describe it and can only amount to approximations.

>>22891316
Brahman is the same. It is the being-awareness that grounds all reality. The unconditioned substrate of consciousness.

>>22891268 (OP)

The unknown parentage of one Jew literally changed the world. Shit's cray-cray.

>>22891322
Chaos can't create, because creation implies order and order implies mind. Only the Good, Perfect and True can create, and that's One.

>>22891323
The leaven has been working through the dough

>>22891268 (OP)
You would think jesus would have mention that. Sounds important.

Thanks for revealing the truth new messiah

Hopefully you also plan on killing yourself soon.

>>22891324
B-but but muh Ordo ab chao

don't go into the light

>>22891327
That can't be an axiom, because if it were then it would always be true. Chaos would always give rise to order. But that obviously doesn't happen, which means it never happens. An actual functional axiom is nihilo ex nihilum, or "Nothing can emerge from nothing", because it remains true for every point in time and is directly observable and demonstrable. Which also disproves the idea that order can come from chaos, because if chaos is the lack of order then order can't come from it otherwise something would be coming from nothing. Or it would mean that chaos is inherently ordered in which case chaos isn't chaos at all. So no matter how you look at it, it's a non-functional phrase.

>>22891268 (OP)
The world that the gods devils and angels exist in during the bible and before its creation and revolt of material reality is the true reality created by the god source, the demiurge is an appendage or semiautonomous entity who dreamed up material reality, it needed consciousness to observe said creation to give it inherent meaning, the experience of life elevated the otherwise 1dimensional plane of material reality into a GASTALT

>>22891325

We will all be robots soon, so none of this shit even matters. Transhumanism ftw.

>>22891331
they will perish

>>22891320
imagine devoting yourself to something that is nothing when God reveals himself and to us in his whole personality and nature as savior and judge at the same time.

>>22891330
no one but God can create since he is the ultimate creator.
satan can not create, only corrupt what God created in his perfection only for satan to be destroyed and the creation of God recreated.

>>22891333
The thing he's describing as One is God. Every single Christian scholar read and admired Plotinus for his insight into God.

>>22891334
The material reality is the corruption friend before this we were free souls, we are now in the material prison designed so that conscious organisms consume eachother to survive. This world and your participation within it is the rebellion, to choose a reality of hardship over one of infinite pleasure and unity. Everytime youll speak to an entity on psychedelics they always imply youre a fugitive who ran into this world so your soul could not be caught, they will get it eventually

>>22891335
only God is only One as in the Godhead comprising of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit with each being their own person distinct from one another. so the One is more than one single person.
>Every single Christian scholar read and admired Plotinus for his insight into God.
every form of philosophy is humanism in disguise elevating our fallen nature above something that it truly is. the heart and mind is wicked until changed by God.

>>22891336
Adam gave authority over this world to satan and thus we are subject to spiritual oppression. the material is not a prison but a cursed world that needs to be restored to its original purpos which will be accomplished in the second coming of Christ.
the main problem with gnosticism is that it teaches that you can transcend the material to be like God, when it is in fact God that chose to dwell with us on earth, just as he dwelled with Adam in Eden. the restoration of heaven and earth is what is to be looked towards, not an immaterial existence.

>>22891337
One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit. Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.

>every form of philosophy is humanism in disguise
No, all philosophy is theology because philosophy is the love of wisdom and the wisdom means to love God. Anything that doesn't point to God can't be philosophy by definition.

>>22891268 (OP)
Anon...
First, understand that Yahweh is a statement. NOT a name.
"To be"
"I am"
John tells you that "god" is literal reason as the very first statement of his book.
So the obvious takeaway from this is that is not "Yahweh created the mortal world".
When you read the old testament, genesis, it's clear that the literal world is not being created, but a form of philosophy is.

>>22891338
>One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit.
are you putting God into a jar? are you saying God is x, when he is alpha to omega, all things? do you want to define a being that doesnt want and cant be defined? a being that says I am not only x but the rest of the alphabet too?

>philosophy is the love of wisdom
the entire book of Proverbs is about the Wisdom of God.

Proverbs 1
The Beginning of Knowledge
1 The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel:

2 To know wisdom and instruction,
to understand words of insight,
3 to receive instruction in wise dealing,
in righteousness, justice, and equity;
4 to give prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the youth—
5 Let the wise hear and increase in learning,
and the one who understands obtain guidance,
6 to understand a proverb and a saying,
the words of the wise and their riddles.

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
fools despise wisdom and instruction.

>7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;

>>22891338
>Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.
the hebrew Tanakh existed way before greece was even a thing, and God was already defined as a multi person being, the LORD God, the Angel of Yahweh and the Spirit of God. all in the old Testament.

>>22891340
You're being adversarial for no reason at all. Describing God in terms of a holy trinity is not "putting God in a jar". Nothing I've said would be disagreeable to a genuine Christian. God is the ultimate, the source of all being. Nous or Logos is his first creation, and Psyche, Soul or Holy Spirit is the final generated being. After that it's matter and beings mixed with matter, which is imperfect and not fully divine.

>>22891290
Saturn worshippers desperately don't want their reign to be over. Which makes sense considering he eats his children out of fear.

>>22891268 (OP)
chemosh defeated yahweh, he's a tiny untergod even in the bible

>>22891268 (OP)
Yahweh is something made up by humans. God is real, but it isn't fucking Yahweh or Allah or Jesus or any of those concepts. God is immediately available to ALL people. You don't need some long dead schizo fucker to tell you what it is.

>>22891299
Adam and Eve is based on ancient bablyonian myth where Enki eats the sacred fruit and becomes sick.

When the bablyonians sacked jerusalem they took captives back to their home land. Not every but they took the royalty and priest class. They weren't treated terribly and were able to move within the babylonian mystery schools where they started writing, lifting their stories and replacing them with semitic characters.

>>22891342
>You're being adversarial for no reason at all.
what makes you think that? just because I am not agreeing with you completely makes you think I am hostile?
do you not know that the entire earth is at apostacy against God?
do you not understand what the sin of Babel was that made God disperse the nations and gave them over to other gods?
it was the exact same thing you just proposed, we can build a house for God where he is present and we can call upon him. we make God our subject who has to answer to us. we will put God into a box to be summoned how we please and when we please.
a people God just saved from the flood at putting themselves as the rulers of God. God do this God do that.
complete and other disregard for the sovereignty and almighty creator God limiting him to be a circus clown at the disposal of man. God is x, because I defined him as such.
that was the sin of Babel, and it was destroyed consequently.

>Nous or Logos is his first creation, and Psyche, Soul or Holy Spirit is the final generated being.
complete bullshit, there is no first creation of God himself.
God was and is and is to come. he is completely sovereign. he doesnt need us, he exists one his own, completely independent of his creation. he could destroy this whole creation and nothing would change for him, he still is the one he is. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit eternal.

>>22891342
>which is imperfect and not fully divine.
Romans 9
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

>>22891311
>>Jesus is born from the Living God
Which one?

Did you know yahweh had siblings like chemosh whom famously humiliated him in war?

>>22891268 (OP)
fuck is this shmulen, gnosticism for 3rd grade? get lost kike.

>>22891349
fallen angels are not the siblings of yahweh but his fallen sons that will perish like men.
>whom famously humiliated him in war?
???
So Israel took possession of all the land of the Amorites, who inhabited that country. 22 And they took possession of all the territory of the Amorites from the Arnon to the Jabbok and from the wilderness to the Jordan. 23 So then the Lord, the God of Israel, dispossessed the Amorites from before his people Israel; and are you to take possession of them? 24 Will you not possess what Chemosh your god gives you to possess? And all that the Lord our God has dispossessed before us, we will possess. 25 Now are you any better than Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab? Did he ever contend against Israel, or did he ever go to war with them? 26 While Israel lived in Heshbon and its villages, and in Aroer and its villages, and in all the cities that are on the banks of the Arnon, 300 years, why did you not deliver them within that time? 27 I therefore have not sinned against you, and you do me wrong by making war on me. The Lord, the Judge, decide this day between the people of Israel and the people of Ammon.” 28 But the king of the Ammonites did not listen to the words of Jephthah that he sent to him.

>>22891347
>what makes you think that?
Because you insisted on the holy trinity, and when I agreed with you entirely you tried to flip it around on me and act as if invoking the holy trinity was putting limitations on God. That's not something someone would do if they were trying to come to a mutual understanding.

>>22891352
>and when I agreed with you entirely
you did not, you explained your own view of the trinity with which I do not agree at all.
>One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit. Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.
Nous and Psyche are humanistic characteristics or concepts stemming body, soul and spirit. God is above all these concepts of man.
man is sinful in nature, the flesh at enmity with God, the soul demonic, and the spirit dead.
is its only by God becoming man and giving man a new heart and Spirit that the soul becomes alive. before that we are like dead men walking the earth. yet th father of philosophy, Protagoras, teaches that man is the measure of all things, which is ridiculous considering what the Word of God says.

>>22891353
>Nous and Psyche are humanistic characteristics
That's not what's meant by Nous or Psyche at all. Nous is Logos(Christ), or Intellect. It's reason in its purest form, and it's second only to God. Psyche is the World Soul or Holy Spirit, and it's third in line because its well being is found in how well it aligns with Logos. Psyche encompasses everything that's submissive to reason yet superior to matter. From Nature, the movements of stars and planets to the individual souls of men. You don't disagree with the ideas I'm explaining, you just don't understand them yet. You can't agree or disagree with what you have absolutely no knowledge of. You're trying to disagree before you've understood, which is why you're coming across as hostile.

>>22891268 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>22891354
>you just don't understand them yet. You can't agree or disagree with what you have absolutely no knowledge of. You're trying to disagree before you've understood, which is why you're coming across as hostile.
lmao, do you think I didnt go down the gnostic rabbit hole? its kind of naive and ignorant telling someone he just doesnt know yet, or has no knowledge when you are the one that is yet drinking the shallow water.
>Nous is Logos(Christ), or Intellect. It's reason in its purest form, and it's second only to God
the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. when the disciples asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus replied that they are looking at him.
>Psyche is the World Soul or Holy Spirit, and it's third in line because its well being is found in how well it aligns with Logos. Psyche encompasses everything that's submissive to reason yet superior to matter.
you have no idea who the Holy Spirit is then. there is no 2nd or 3rd in line in the Godhead. they are all one yet are each their own person.

>>22891354
>From Nature, the movements of stars and planets to the individual souls of men.
God can let the sun stand still (Joshua), he is sovereign over the weather ( Elijah) the light of the earth (crucifixion of Jesus) and the stars (Revelation). he is sovereign over all creation as he pleases.

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies[b] will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[c]

11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

>>22891356
What I'm describing to you isn't Gnosticism, it's Platonic Christianity.

>its kind of naive and ignorant telling someone he just doesnt know yet
You don't know, because this terminology is clearly foreign to you based on the unfounded objections you're raising. You haven't read Plato or Plotinus, nor Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa or any of the other early Christian scholars.

>the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son
No, the Father is explicitly not the Son. Christian doctrine is very clear on this. Christ is the embodiment of Logos, the Son of God. Not God the Father himself. Christ outright states that his Father is greater than himself.

>you have no idea who the Holy Spirit is then
I do. You do not. Please study these topics before pretending to be an authority.

>>22891358
>it's Platonic Christianity
its gnosticism. its 1 to 1 the same.
>You haven't read Plato or Plotinus, nor Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa or any of the other early Christian scholars.
why would I listen to fallible men? dont you know that if you trust in man you are cursed?
>No, the Father is explicitly not the Son.
I see you neither met Jesus Christ the Son nor God the Father. otherwise you would know that the Son inherits everything the Father is. all authority over heaven and earth has been given to the Son.
when you knock at someones door, and the Son opens, do you not think he is the representative of the Father even if he is not the Father? the Father is Spirit, yet the Son of the Father is both God and man, the physical representation of the Father on earth.
>I do. You do not.
then please describe his personality in the most simple way possible. until then your opinion is moot.

>>22891268 (OP)
>>22891270
Both of you are retarded jeetjews. Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah.

>>22891359
No, it's not. Plato, Plotinus and the early Christians all refuted Gnosticism. Gnosticism maintains the belief that evil has substance and generative power, which is entirely anti-Christian.

So in the rest of your post you're telling me that you've never studied, never tried to understand, never reached out to the divine in any way and you've neglected all wisdom. To you, religion is insisting that you know best out of pride, rather than submitting yourself to knowledge, which is the opposite of wisdom, the opposite of love and the opposite of God. You aren't a Christian nor a man of God, you're a Satanist.

>>22891361
>never tried to understand, never reached out to the divine in any way and you've neglected all wisdom
you dont reach out to God, he reaches out to you. God is sovereign, without him nothing happens. the love for truth and wisdom is given by God in the first place, not chosen by you on your own free will.

>religion is insisting that you know best out of pride, rather than submitting yourself to knowledge, which is the opposite of wisdom, the opposite of love and the opposite of God. You aren't a Christian nor a man of God, you're a Satanist.
I am wondering who of the both of us is consumed in pride.
you didnt even answer my question. what is the personality of the Holy Spirit like?
you claimed you know him and I dont. please answer so we see who is walking in light and who in darkness.

>>22891362
>I am wondering who of the both of us is consumed in pride.
It's only you. There's no question. I'm not the one taking pride in ignorance, nor am I the one reacting in a hostile and adversarial way.

>>22891364
>nor am I the one reacting in a hostile and adversarial way
you just called me a satanist. are you self aware?
>I'm not the one taking pride in ignorance
God is the only authority worth his salt. you have no idea how crafty satan truly is when it comes to false teaching.
platonic christianity aka gnosticism is one of satans tools to lead you astray.
>It's only you. There's no question.
you are still skirting the question, what is the personality of the Holy Spirit like?
it should be a simple answer if you truly know him.
answer or you are nothing but a fraud and hypocrite.

>>509325827
You are a Satanist, by definition. That's not an attack on you, that's me helping you realize where you've gone wrong. You've proudly put yourself above Love and Truth, which is Satanism. The moment you said "Why would I listen to fallible men?", you made it clear that you haven't learned how to love Truth yet, nor have you learned how to receive knowledge gracefully.

>you are still skirting the question
You won't listen to anything I have to say, because I'm a "fallible man". By your own words, you've already decided that this conversation was worthless before it began. Which is the mark of arrogance, pride and hatred towards God. The only fraudulence and hypocrisy here is yours, because from the beginning you were only engaging in bad faith.

>>22891470
>You are a Satanist, by definition. That's not an attack on you
taking the Word of God as the only authority in my spiritual life is satanism? didnt hear that one before tbqh.
>You've proudly put yourself above Love and Truth, which is Satanism.
how so? its the fruit of faith, faith is is given through grace by God. you neither have a monopoly on Truth or Love. its a gift from God.
>"Why would I listen to fallible men?", you made it clear that you haven't learned how to love Truth yet, nor have you learned how to receive knowledge gracefully.
man has accomplished nothing than destruction of earth and man outside of God. th modern church is full of false teachings.
do you think Love of Truth is gobbling up everything man has ever said, small or great, or being subject to the teachings of Christ who is the Truth, the Way and the Life.

>You won't listen to anything I have to say, because I'm a "fallible man".
just answer the question man. no need to throw a hissy fit. its a simple question with a simple answer. i didnt decide anything yet.

White only gnostic church when?

>>22891483
You're taking yourself as the only authority. Thinking that you can just pick up the Bible and read it on your own with no context, no commentary, no greater understanding and no guidance from a spiritual leader, and that having read it a handful of times makes you an authority capable of disregarding all of the Saints is something explicitly warned against in the Bible itself as the height of pride.

>how so? its the fruit of faith
What you have isn't faith, nor is it conviction. You've only got empty pride. You proudly believe that you know better than everyone else and don't need to listen to anybody about anything. That's not conviction, because conviction is always accompanied with peace of mind and sure footedness. What you have is inherently fearful and evasive, which is why you're acting so hostile to somebody who has done nothing other than kindly offer you explanations on topics you haven't taken the time to study yourself.

>do you think Love of Truth is gobbling up everything man has ever said
No, but somebody who loves Truth loves seeing it spoken regardless of whose mouth it comes out of. Not all philosophers were great men, but many of them were, and you'd have to be a proud fool to discredit all of them on the basis of them being human. If you were alive when Christ was alive, you'd have been one of the people hurling stones at him, without a doubt.

>just answer the question man
The Holy Spirit is the highest of all the souls, its nature is all encompassing compassion and justice, it dispenses providence and provides opportunities for virtue to flourish.

>>22891519
>You're taking yourself as the only authority.
all authority is with God and his Word, not with me.
>no greater understanding and no guidance from a spiritual leader
having the Holy Spirit to explain it to you is a thing you know? who else can explain you the bible but the author?
>disregarding all of the Saints
the known Saints are the apostles that wrote the bible.
>You've only got empty pride. You proudly believe that you know better than everyone else
come on, stop projecting. youre like the catholics.
>and you'd have to be a proud fool to discredit all of them on the basis of them being human
no man ever reached perfect theology since only God is perfect and only he can reveal himself to you personally.
>you'd have been one of the people hurling stones at him, without a doubt
I can say the same of you.
>The Holy Spirit is the highest of all the souls, its nature is all encompassing compassion and justice, it dispenses providence and provides opportunities for virtue to flourish.
see, wasnt even that hard and I dont even disagree with you. the first point is debatable but even I dont claim to know the nature of the Holy Spirit as soul. he is his own person, so I guess you could say that.

>>22891526
>I can say the same of you.
No, you can't, because my position this entire time has been that wise speech should be admired. You're the only one projecting.

Your entire post confirms my point. You think you've been touched with special grace by God, and been bestowed with special knowledge that exempts you from needing to study or make yourself wise, humble or virtuous in any way. You're just one big ball of sinful sacrilegious pride, and you won't take advice from anybody because you think you know better because you mistakenly think that your false conceptions came from God. You're putting yourself in God's place and convincing yourself that your will is God's will. That's the literal definition of Satanism and you couldn't be any farther from grace.

>>22891534
>because my position this entire time has been that wise speech should be admired
satan is a smooth talker. he didnt come to Adam and Eve as a raging dragon, he came to them as a friend sowing doubt in their mind. do you think he changed his tactics?
>You're putting yourself in God's place and convincing yourself that your will is God's will.
what a retarded statemnt, a pupil is not above his master and I placed myself all the time under the authority of Gods word. yet it is you who claimed to understand more and love wisdom more. youre just as the pharisees and scribes that claimed Jesus was only given power by satan instead of God.
>and you won't take advice from anybody because you think you know better because you mistakenly think that your false conceptions came from God
I am extremely careful with what I let into my mind since I was already fooled by satan more than once. you simply have no idea how big his net is that he spread above the entire earth. its foolish to think you can navigate this life without the guidance and helping hand of the Holy Spirit.
>That's the literal definition of Satanism and you couldn't be any farther from grace.
sure, pick up your stone, drag me before the high priest. its not like Jesus predicted that the world will hate us the same way it hated him. youre the perfect example of what he predicted.
your false humility and hypocritical accusations based on false teaching and false knowledge and false pride in what you obtained yourself and not what was given to you by God gives away who your true master really is.
that heed and do not be deceived, for there are many anti christs claiming to be Christ, the Truth the Way and the Life. repent and subject all your hearth and all your mind to love of God.

>>22891551
>I was already fooled by satan more than once
Then you ought to be more careful, because it's happening again. I'm telling you this for your own good, what you're doing is sinful. What you're doing is the equivalent of if I were to pick up The Heart Sutra or some other Buddhist text, read it with no commentary and no context, no understanding of their philosophy, culture or history, then assume that whatever false meaning I dishonestly derived from that text came from Buddha himself and that I don't need to listen to anyone ever again about anything.

>your false humility and hypocritical accusations based on false teaching and false knowledge and false pride in what you obtained yourself
You just described yourself. I'm the one recommending genuine faith, genuine knowledge and genuine teachings. You're the one insisting that you don't need any of that because you know better than the saints and scholars.

>its not like Jesus predicted that the world will hate us the same way it hated him. youre the perfect example of what he predicted.
You're the one attacking me out of hatred because you don't like Truth. You're fulfilling your own prophecy, except you're playing the role of evil.

>>22891561
>because it's happening again
no, I take the bible as the only authority. everything in my teaching needs to backed up by God and his word. everything else is discarded.
the bible is complete, from start to finish. nothing needs to be added, nothing needs to be taken away.
> I'm the one recommending genuine faith, genuine knowledge and genuine teachings.
by listening to the teachings of men?
>You're the one insisting that you don't need any of that because you know better than the saints and scholars.
by saying that I only take the authority of Gods Word as the sole authority in my spiritual life?
>You're the one attacking me out of hatred because you don't like Truth.
you called me a satanist multiple times now when I only said I take the Word of God as the one true authority in my life. its not hard to tell who your master is here. its not hard to figure out satans tricks once you know how he works through other people, you know?

>>22891569
You're taking yourself as an authority while dishonestly convincing yourself that it's God you're listening to. I honestly don't know how to explain this to you more thoroughly, but I hope you find your way back to the light some day. What you're doing now is drenched in darkness.

>>22891573
Jesus was persecuted by the Pharisees because he claimed his authority came from God given by the Holy Spirit, while the Pharisees relied on the law and the babylonian talmud, teachings of men.
see the parallels here?

>>22891575
I do, and you'd be one of the men persecuting Christ because you're of the same arrogant pride as the Pharisees. You think you already know best, so rather than listening to the words and gauging whether or not they're true on their own merit, you're simply condemning them sight unseen on the basis that they didn't come from you and your own understanding. You don't love Truth itself for its own sake, which means you don't love God. You simply love yourself, and you see Truth as something that challenges the self.

>>22891594
so the concept that the Holy Spirit can explain what is written in the bible to you as an individual is completely foreignt to you?
you know the whole thing about not being able to boast?
how is it pride to have someone explain what is written to you? how can I claim authority over any of the written word of God?

one last question, are you a roman catholic?

>>22891599
You're describing a situation that's prone to deception. How do you know you aren't fooling yourself? Or being fooled by Satan? "It came to me in a vision" is not the kind of foundation that leads to secure faith, honest conviction or true spirituality. God's nature is Truth, and he has to be known through Logic. You can't just assert that you already know without ever engaging your higher and more divine faculties. Reason is the spark of divinity in man, and throwing it away is like throwing away God's presence in your own soul.

>are you a roman catholic?
No, I've read Augustine and Aquinas's works and admire them for the wisdom contained in them but I'm not Catholic myself.

>>22891626
I am not talking about vision.
I am talking about "I want to read upon that topic in the bible but I dont know which book it is in", then the Holy Spirit speaks to you inaudibly saying "Ezekiel" and its right there, didnt even have to look more than 5 minutes for the chapter.
or when Jerusalem was destroyed and the Lord told the people through Jeremiah to no go to egypt but they went anyway saying they wont listen to the Lord.
and you ask yourself, why would these people do this if they just went through the destruction that Jeremiah foretold.
then the Word of God comes to you, explaining they sought security and stability, they wanted to worship other gods, ie the queen of heaven. because its easier than to follow the Lord since it leads to testing.

that is how the Holy Spirit speaks to you and explains the scriptures to you. its higher understanding of what these people were thinking in their hearts.
or asking the Lord about the whole deal with Abraham and Isaac and him explaining that it was a foreshadowing of the Lamb of God Jesus Christ on the cross as atonement for sins and the next weak you hear a sermon exactly on that topic confirming what God had explained to you.
the bible speaks to you, its a mirror. it needs to be lived, the Word is alive. how do you not want that in your life? its so fascinating having God almighty explain passages to you that you have questions about.
yet its not like he explains every detail to you but the fundamental basis of what the Word teaches.

>>22891671
You're definitely engaged in deep self deception, then. You've mistaken your own inner monologue for a dialogue with God. Whatever you're engaged in, it's not Christianity.

>>22891681
how else would you make sense of what the bible says?
do you really rely on bible commentary and interpretations of men rather than God to understand the Word of God?
is the concept of the Holy Spirit literally inhabiting your body that alien to you?
do you really not have that intimate connection with God?
I think there is something wrong with you if that is not the case. what else is there to achieve in life than to have a direct conversation with your creator? how else would you even make sense or understand existence in this place or have meaning in your life?

>>22891720
>how else would you make sense of what the bible says?
You can't, not without a solid foundation to work from. You have to already understand good and evil, virtue and vice, and the ascent from reason to truth before you go anywhere near the Bible. If you simply read the Bible with no understanding of what makes an action good or evil, and for example you read about Moses slaying the foreigner in order to side with the Israelite, you'll come away thinking that God condones favoritism, tribalism and murder. But when you already know that objectivity is what makes a man a man of God, it's possible to understand that what's meant by that passage is that a man must slay everything in himself that's foreign to his own nature in order to live in virtue.

>do you really not have that intimate connection with God?
I do have one, it's why I'm able to see that your connection is a false one so clearly and distinctly. Yours doesn't resemble the connection I have with God at all, and I know mine is pure because it comes from reason absolute and leads me to endless selflessness, love and compassion. Yours is devoid of reason and leads to you hostility, pride and combative nature.

>what else is there to achieve in life than to have a direct conversation with your creator? how else would you even make sense or understand existence in this place or have meaning in your life?
You commune with God by making yourself like God. Pure reason, objectivity and virtue is the substance of a man of God and a follower of Christ. What you're doing is nothing more than talking to your own ego and insisting that your ego is God.

>>22891910
thats a lot of words for saying you rely on your own wisdom and understanding.
you lack a direct connection with God because of that. being humble and yielding your own intellect and understanding, knowledge and wisdom in the face of God is a core principle of discipleship.
you bow your head and ask for mercy since you are a sinner.
yet you speak like someone who thinks he can work his presence in the face of God by your own intellect.
>the connection I have with God at all, and I know mine is pure because it comes from reason absolute and leads me to endless selflessness, love and compassion
I have to witness this once to believe it. you accused me of being a satanist more than anyone I ever had a conversation with. I argued with die hard catholics that were more open to discussion about theological issues them full well knowing my standpoint. yet not even they called me a heretic.
>Yours is devoid of reason and leads to you hostility, pride and combative nature.
I live in a world ruled by satan, his minions supernatural and natural seeing me as an enemy and perceiving me as a thread, like yourself, to their fragile concept of what reality and "reason" is in this fallen state of humanity. being called an enemy of Christ, a satanist and heretic, being full of pride when the Word of God is with me and I only reaffirm my authority from the Word of God.
what you dont realize is that this is a war, not a picnic on a flowery meadow. there are forces at play you dont even can conceptualize, your entire perception of reality would break down if you even got a glimpse of a fraction of it. yet it is you who rides on his high horse of "reason, objectivity and virtue" when none of which is present in any of your posts.

by their fruits you will know them.
with that I will end this conversation. good luck.

>>22891943
I rely on reason, and reason is objective. It's not "my" reason, it's just reason. I don't get any credit for utilizing it, because it does all the lifting. My only task is to brush my ego to the side so that reason can do its work unimpeded, which is what it means to humble yourself before God. And this is the exact thing that you're failing in by insisting that you've bypassed reason with intuition. What you're actually saying is that you believe your ego is superior to God and God's son.

>you accused me of being a satanist more than anyone I ever had a conversation with
Which is an act of great love and compassion, considering the fact that it's true and said only for the sake of your own well-being. Worshiping your own ego is Satanism, and ego worship is the thing you've admitted to during the course of this conversation.

Not only that, but in this last post you're admitting to harboring hateful feelings of resentment and hostility towards the world. That's not the way of Christ. Looking down on objectivity, virtue, compassion and love while attacking the people who espouse those principles as "being on a high horse" really proves my point definitively. You're too proud to admit that God and his ideals are greater than yourself, so instead of doing that you've tried to drag him down to your level and supplant him with your worldly fear, hatred, and greed. This is indeed a war, but unfortunately you're a staunch defender of Satan and hater of Christ. I hope for your own sake that you can look past your ego someday and reflect on this conversation, because you really need to.

>>22891965
>What you're actually saying is that you believe your ego is superior to God and God's son.
I never claimed that. I said time and time again, I rely on the Word of God as my guidance. yet you conveniently brush that of as delusion and making myself higher than God for some reason.
I dont know how you come to this conclusion but I think there is something wrong with your "reasoning" that leads to accusations.

>Worshiping your own ego is Satanism
my ego died a long time ago when God reached out to me and gave me the option, do his will or my own will. taking the hard way is what I chose, his will over my own will. that is what losing your ego is.

>dmitting to harboring hateful feelings of resentment and hostility towards the world
if you love the world the love of the Father is not in you. love your life and you will lose it, hate your life and you will gain it. the words of Jesus Christ, not my own.
>attacking the people who espouse those principles as "being on a high horse" really proves my point definitively
you love this world and since the love of the Father is not in you.
>to your level and supplant him with your worldly fear, hatred, and greed
thats a lot of assumptions for someone who literally doesnt know me.
>you're a staunch defender of Satan and hater of Christ
sure sure Pharisee, you viper, your Father is the devil the father of lies. you have proven your standpoint. I am not blind to your false accusations.
go read plato and trust in man, youre cursed already, not by my word but by Gods word.

I thank you Father that you sent this anon to me today to solidify your Word in my life that proves again that you are the Lord God who does all things as he pleases, who shuts eyes and ears to them that love delusions, lies and their pride of life and lust of flesh.

>>22891978
>I rely on the Word of God as my guidance
No, you rely on your own personal and subjective interpretation of the Bible divorced from context and broader understanding. That's not God's word, that's just your own ego. It's the equivalent of saying that you personally speak for God, or that you are God.

>if you love the world the love of the Father is not in you
That's exactly the point. Ceasing to love the world also means that you'll cease to feel hatred and resentment when worldly pleasures and comforts don't come your way. If you're upset at this world and the tribulations it offers you, it's only because you feel as though you're missing out on something desired. If you had killed your love for the flesh and fostered a love for the spirit, you wouldn't be full of resentment or hostility.

>thats a lot of assumptions for someone who literally doesnt know me.
I know the words you've shared in this thread, and those words haven't been reflective of a positive character.

>sure sure Pharisee, you viper, your Father is the devil the father of lies. you have proven your standpoint. I am not blind to your false accusations.
It's genuinely sad seeing you fall into such an obvious trap of Luciferian ego worship while pretending you have God on your side. There isn't a single branch of Christian tradition that doesn't warn to avoid this kind of behavior. The Catholics call it Private Judgement, the early church called it Gnosticism, the Protestants called it Enthusiasm and the Patristics called it False Pneumatics. They were all very explicit, that anyone who thinks God is bypassing rationality and the need for knowledge in order to inspire them directly is actually being tricked by demons.

> be me, Demiurge, badass creator god of this dope Earth server
> stuck in material realm, but I’m basically the boss here so whatever
> find these two randos, Adam and Eve, chilling in my Eden map
> not my work, some glowy spark shit inside them, wtf
> tell them no eating from the epic Tree of Knowledge, gotta keep them noobs
> they eat it anyway, unlock some divine cheat code, eyes glowing like hackers
> rage.exe
> yeet them to Earth, no sparkly bullshit in my realm
> jealous af, gonna one-up Sophia’s spark shit
> grab cosmic clay, time to mog
> first I go and create Asians:
> Notbad.jpg
> but still no match.
> alright lets try again ig with africans:
> mfw they’re feral gremlins, like I bluescreened mid-code
> wtf.png
> last shot, Indians:
> absoulte disaster, worst attempt yet.
> yuck.jpeg
> mfw each attempt gets worse
> mfw Adam and Eve still mogging my whole roster
> ragequit, let my garbage creations roam
> Sophia’s out there giggling
> fuckmylife.exe

>>22891328
Great potential for white supremacist church