>*ruins Christianity forever*

>>22903521 (OP)

"Our profession of faith begins with God, for God is the First and the Last, the beginning and the end of everything. The Credo begins with God the Father, for the Father is the first divine person of the Most Holy Trinity; our Creed begins with the creation of heaven and earth, for creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God's works."


The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

>>22903521 (OP)
Paul, who never met Jesus while he was alive, ruined Christianity by pretending it was meant for the goyim too and Christians were no longer bound by the laws of the Tanach (neither of which Jesus ever said was the case).

>>22903521 (OP)
was jewsus really there? is this canon?

>>22903524
Is it a pre-requisite of the American protestant to be completely mentally deranged over Paul?

>>22903524
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(Matthew KJVA)

>>22903523
SPBP/checked/thread. Pol is a catholic board always has been.

>>22903527
>teach all nations
AKA all the disparate tribes of Jews spread out across the nations. Read between the lines, dipshit. John 4:22 makes it clear salvation is EXCLUSIVELY for God's chosen people. Anyone of non-Jewish blood is damned by real Christian standards.

Nah, that was that piece of shit martin luther

>>22903528
Papism is heretical. Pope left in the Great Schism.

>>22903526
thats a jew not a protestant

>>22903524
>Paul, who never met Jesus while he was alive
Saul's dramatic conversion to Christianity, detailed in the Bible, occurred on the road to Damascus. Journeying to persecute Christians, he was struck by a blinding light from heaven and heard Jesus' voice asking why he was being persecuted. This encounter left him temporarily blind and led him to Damascus, where he was later healed and baptized, becoming the Apostle Paul. This event marked a radical shift in his life, turning him from a persecutor into a devoted follower of Jesus.

>Christians were no longer bound by the laws of the Tanach
At the Council of Jerusalem, St. Peter, Paul, the Apostles, and elders set the truth: that Christians do not need to follow Mosaic circumcision. Baptism is the new circumcision.

>>22903530
lmao, post skin tone Miguel

>>22903534
>focus autistically on the bible alone
>start taking literally the old testament
>end up giving B2 to our judeo-christian friend nation of Israel

you should look at the reality around you

>>22903521 (OP)
Fuck off Jew worshipper

Jesus Christ is God the Word Incarnate.

>>22903535
>israel because martin luther!

you brownoids arent even trying anymore

>>22903521 (OP)
your kike cult was "ruined" the day it started

>>22903538
The result does not change. Not having a strong unified religious leader made protestant countries more prone to jewish infiltration

>>22903528
>pagan queen of heaven worship
cringe

>>22903524
Yeah, it is kinda funny how all those who were in Christ before Paul believed that Jesus was an exclusively Jewish messiah and those who do not follow the Law and are not circumcised will not be saved.

>>22903524
lol, explain Peter then retard. he was the first to preach to "goyim" under Jesus direct intervention.

>>22903540
>more prone to jewish infiltration
dispensationalism is a jesuit creation who are catholics

>>22903541
I'm not a Papist - I'm Orthodox Christian - but veneration =/= worship.

>>22903542
Provide a verse where Jesus says you need to be circumcised to be saved. Jesus left his Church to settle issues such as these.

>>22903545
your icon worship of Mary with baby Jesus is telling enough. mary worship was well established when the schism happened by the early roman church to attract and convert pagans.
you call it veneration, but name me one apostle or even a single line of teaching that establishes the veneration of mary.

Jeremiah 44
15 Then all the men who knew that their wives had made offerings to other gods, and all the women who stood by, a great assembly, all the people who lived in Pathros in the land of Egypt, answered Jeremiah: 16 “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you. 17 But we will do everything that we have vowed, make offerings to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we did, both we and our fathers, our kings and our officials, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, and prospered, and saw no disaster. 18 But since we left off making offerings to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” 19 And the women said,[b] “When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands' approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out drink offerings to her?”

>>22903546
>Jesus left his Church to settle issues such as these.
It was settled before Paul. He had to convince the Jerusalem leadership to even be allowed to preach to the uncircumcised.

>>22903521 (OP)
Doesn't hold a candle to the Council of Chalcedon
https://youtu.be/YffPLPfe4Jk?t=340


>Jesus is in two natures

vs.

>Jesus is of two natures

>>22903547
The Seventh Ecumenical Council - guided by the Holy Spirit - confirmed the veneration of Icons.
Holy Apostle and Evangelist Luke painted the first Icon of the Most Holy Theotokos with the Lord, and several others. Also, Holy Glorious Prophet and God-Seer Moses in Exodus 25 records the Lord's own commands to construct two golden cherubims to place by the Mercy Seat. Neither were sacrifices made to the cherubim depicted, or to the Mother of our Lord.

>>22903521 (OP)
It wad the council of chalcedon that ruined it. Or are you one of the retards that believe arianism is based because it sounds like aryan.

>>22903548
>It was settled before Paul.
By the Pharisees? Ha ha
Acts 15:5 (ESV) – The Pharisee Believers’ Argument
“But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, ‘It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.’”

This verse shows that even among believers, there was a strong view that Gentiles should adopt Jewish practices.

>>22903546
>Provide a verse where Jesus says you need to be circumcised to be saved.
How about you provide him saying it shouldn't be done anymore.
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
But he doesn't say "you have heard it said to knife baby dicks but we're not doing that anymore". He never argues the merits of baby mutilating
Matthew 15:10&11
>Jesus called the crowd to him and said, >“Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
Here's a quote that could be used to justify ending dietary restrictions(it can't actually, this argument started with talking about ritual bathing but you can ignore that context and say it is about dietary restrictions), there is nothing in any of the Gospels that could be read as Jewsus not supporting the continued ritual mutilation of babies. By it happening to him and him never speaking against it is clear support for it
>Jesus left his Church to settle issues such as these.
Torturing babies should not be an issue that needs setting, it is not something any sane person would ever consider doing. That is why it is brought up to insult your "religion", it is a clear example of how evil it is

>>22903552
Well yes, that was the original idea - that a gentile would need to convert to Judaism to be saved. This only changed with Paul.

Tell me this. When you stand indicted before God's tribunal, what reason will you be able for considering the Jews' witchcraft more worthy of your belief than what Christ has said? God said that the devil is a murderer; they say that he can cure diseases, in contradiction to God's word. When you accept their charms and incantations, you actions show that you consider the Jews more worthy of your belief than God, even if you do not say it in so many words.

(6) If the devil is a murderer, it is clear that the demons who serve him are murderers, too.

Kikes are children of the evil one, literally devil worshippers who think they can control demons to heal people. They have always been grifters and liars

>>22903550
>guided by the Holy Spirit - confirmed the veneration of Icons
oh boi. do you know who can also pose as an angel of light?
> Evangelist Luke painted the first Icon of the Most Holy Theotokos with the Lord
according to human tradition. surely you can back yourself up with veneration of Mary from the gospel of Luke, right?
> the Lord's own commands to construct two golden cherubims to place by the Mercy Seat
the Mercy Seat was the focus, not the cherubim. how do you even connect that to mary veneration.

do you know why we are not to have other gods or make carven images?
because the slightest deviation of worshiping the Lord God gives satan a foot in the door to bring people to idol worship and worship of other "gods". pagans are ripe with female god worship. its a favorite tool by satan.
look at what catholics are doing, they pray more to mary than Jesus. absolute insanity and peak idol worship. there is but one way to the Father and that is Jesus Christ, not mary, not even once.

>>22903554
It changed when the Lord Jesus Christ founded His Church.

>>22903557
Yeah, again, that's the weird part. Why would Jesus not tell 'em right away. They had to wait for Paul to tell 'em for some reason.

>>22903558
The Lord told them to preach to all nations, as recorded at the end of Matthew.
>>22903558

>>22903554
>This only changed with Paul.
So you're saying it did not change with St. Peter, the Apostles, and the elders at the Council of Jerusalem?

Acts 11:2-3 – Peter Criticized for Eating with Gentiles
2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party criticized him, saying,
3 “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

>>22903533
>oy vey goyim I have seen the light
>now let me tell you what your religion REALLY says

>>22903559
>The Lord told them to preach to all nations, as recorded at the end of Matthew.
Well, if that implied preaching to gentiles, then why weren't they doing it?
>>22903560
Only Paul then went to preach to the gentiles, not the others.

>>22903562
>Only Paul then went to preach to the gentiles, not the others.
Peter ate with uncircumcised gentiles but was not preaching Jesus to them derp

>>22903521 (OP)
Be silent, heretic

>>22903523
>who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
should read
>who proceeds from the Father,

>>22903563
Yes, Paul outright says that Peter was specifically entrusted with a mission to the Jews.

>>22903556
From Luke, KJVA:
"1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

"1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord."

>>22903567
Luke 11
27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” 28 But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

next...

>>22903565
Amen.

John 15:26, KJVA:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

>>22903521 (OP)
Orthodoxy is truth

>>22903568
That doesn't contradict anything I posted.

>>22903523
Ok, roll charisma.

>>22903521 (OP)
Where is the Gospel of Jesus? I alway hear names like Mark, Mathew, Paul, John etc. Where is the original book that Jesus preached from?

>>22903573
Give the guy a break, he was illiterate.

>>22903571
yes it does. you are to keep the Word of God which condemns every form of worship or veneration for anyone else but God alone.
Mary is blessed among women as the mother of God. it end there.
no veneration, no coredemptrix, no hail mary, no queen of heaven, no intercessor but Jesus Christ, no pictures with mary and baby Jesus, no mary statues etc.
you worship the Lord God and no one else.

>>22903561
What the fuck are you talking about? Christianity is Jewish shite. It is Saul who took it to non-Jews, that's why he downplayed the necessity of the baby torturing.
>>22903562
>if that implied preaching to gentiles, then why weren't they doing it?
They were trying, nobody wanted the Jewish baby torture cult

>>22903575
it doesn't condemn "every form of veneration," only forms of veneration - i.e. worship - due to God alone. No Orthodox Christian is worshipping Mary. I can't speak for Papists, but I'd doubt that, too.

Jesuits
The most foul cocksuckers on the planet.
Worse than Jews.
Beware their pilpul as they accuse me of being a Jew, a mexican, not white.
You are being fooled by Satan whilst worshipping his son.

>>22903577
>it doesn't condemn "every form of veneration,"
it does.
if you would spent some time in the old testament you would fairly quickly see how much spiritual adultery is condemned by the Lord and what abominable things it leads to.
Im not a hard ass about if because Im anti Mary the mother of Jesus, its because what my study of anything to do with any form of idolatry leads to and why God put so much gravitas to condemn any form of worship but for him alone.
Ezekiel and Jeremiah especially talk about Israel worshiping the queen of heaven, Elijah had to deal with Jezebel. its a tool by satan. doesnt matter if its Mary or someone else, he uses it to bring anyone even a step away from God the slip becomes a slide.
then you read about the pope praying to mary and you just see how grim the consequences are. its the same pattern over and over, I implore you to look into it yourself. its all over the OT.

>>22903579
You will burn in hell fire for your blasphemy heretic!

REPENT

>>22903580
be muffled satan

>>22903524
/thread

>>22903526
>Is it a pre-requisite of the American protestant to be completely mentally deranged over Paul?
All christians are completely mentally deranged over Saul of Tarsus. He created the religion after all.

>>22903533
thanks chatgpt

>>22903538
Unironically yes. Rejecting all the euro-paganism remaining in catholicism and focusing exclusively on the semitic bible has obviously left the protestant entirely at the mercy of the natural branches of his religion.

>>22903545
>veneration =/= worship
This is false. "Veneration" is a Romance (that's "Latin" to you midwits) word, "worship" is a Germanic word, both mean the same thing.
Only the English language can make your argument since it has ended up with a lot of redundancies in grammar due to its specific linguistic history (ie. getting invaded by everyone).

Also, idol worship is anti-semitic.

>>22903585
pagans are so cringe. cherry picking what pleases them but rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ of forgiveness for sinners of whom Paul was one of the worst.

>>22903581
You are blinded by pride from the truth. I'm praying for you brother.

>>22903586
I'm speaking of the distinction in the Eastern Orthodox Church between the worship due only to the One True God, the Holy Trinity; and veneration befitting the Mother of God and other saints.

The 'gods' of the nations are demons.

>>22903588
why is it always with you minions of satan that you accuse everyone of pride of whom your father is the worse offender? show me at least evidence.

>>22903589
he is right tho.
veneration in german = verehrung
worship in german = verehren
its the same thing.

>>22903591
Word concept fallacy.

>>22903541
Take the Cybelene mother out of your fucking mouth, jew

>>22903564

>>22903592
just use a dictonary once in your life and stop worshiping idols for your own sake.

worship Verehrung {f}
veneration Verehrung {f}
adoration Verehrung {f}
reverence Verehrung {f}
enshrinement Verehrung {f}
cult Verehrung {f}
honouring [Br.] Verehrung {f}

to worship sb./sth. jdn./etw. anbeten
to worship verehren
to worship sb. jdn. verehren
to worship sb./sth. jdm./etw. huldigen [geh.] [selten] [verehren, anbeten

to venerate verehren
to venerate bewundern
to venerate sb.jdn. achten [hochachten]
to venerate hochhalten
to venerate ehren
to venerate hochachten

>>22903580
Not the magic lava!

Unitarianists are right.

>>22903528
/pol/ is and Orthodox board
That's a pretty cool image tho

There's something fairly grotesque about a giant multinational institution allegedly formed in the name of a man who rejected hierarchy completely.

>>22903590
This thread is plagued with examples of your pride.

You speak with contempt and hate, not correction. Every post is filled with arrogance and you dare acuse others of satanism! I won’t answer anger with anger. You need to stop posting and pray for Gods mercy.

May God judge between us.

>>22903600
>guys, dont pray to anyone but God just as God has told us, her are the where he said it
>stfu you prideful, hatefilled arrogant heretic
lol, lmao even
you worship as Cain, on your own desire and not like God commands it and then pick up stones to slay Abel. nothing new under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:9

>>22903521 (OP)
Arianism is the true christian religion

>>22903599
Ridiculous, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and appointed the Holy Apostles Himself:
20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hate sent me, even so send I you.
20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
(John, KJVA)

>>22903602
Arian is a son of Satan.
Jesus Christ is God

>>22903599
men like their labels and take pride in their denominations. its the lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh.
the early church were groups of believers breaking bread together, not institutions.
a true christian has a changed heart and a changed mind, not someone you can pick out by their outward appearance. God never looks on the outside of a person but the heart. what good is it to be a whitewashed tomb with nothing but bones inside.

>>22903601
You are so lost...

Brother, you preach heracy, and put word in the mouths of the faithful. We pray to Mary and other saints so they may speak to God on our behalf not in worship of them.

I don't call out your pride or anger to insult you we all sin i do it with hopes that you will contemplate your actions and see that.

>>22903597
God is One in Essence, Three in Persons.
From John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

From John 15:
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

>>22903587
>Saul tells goyim that jews in general are to be respected
>Saul tells goyim that he dislikes a specific group of jews that disagrees with him over interpretations on how to best follow jewish law
Yeah, your thing totally invalidates my argument huh...

>ooga booga magic spirits
jesus is for niggers

>>22903521 (OP)
This thread isn't about me. Why in the hell is it even here?

>>22903589
>I'm speaking of the distinction in the blablabla
Nothing you said even remotely countered my point. Try again.
>The 'gods' of the nations are demons.
Hail victory.

>>22903606
>We pray to Mary and other saints so they may speak to God on our behalf not in worship of them.
there are exactly 2 persons in heaven you can pray to, the rest wait for the resurrection just as anyone else.
you have God the Son and God the Father who are in heaven, no one else. no Peter, no Paul, no John, no Mary nor anyone else. all are asleep waiting for the second coming of Chist and the resurrection of the dead.
your prayers are to no one, they are empty acts meriting you nothing. why even pray to someone who is lower than God when you have the most High himself to pray to, your Father who is in heaven and sees everything in your mind and heart, who knows what you pray for before you even start praying?

your entire faith is based on false teaching and doctrines of men. repent and stick to the scriptures alone who cannot be broken, the written Word of God, which is the only authority.

>>22903609
and niggers are the future
>the meek shall inherit the Earth

Indeed

>>22903591
>>22903595
This.
Except that worshiping the idols of your fathers is hyper-based, and worshiping jewish mythological characters is mega cringe.

>>22903614
what are you idols then and how do you worship them? are you practicing what your forefathers practiced?
I hope so, since otherwise you are nothing but a hypocrite.

>>22903523
>from the Father and the Son
filioquist heretic

>>22903611
Verehrung ist nicht Anbetung.

>>22903617
then why do mary venerators pray to her? its exactly what they do, Anbeten, Verehre etc.

>>22903615
>what are you idols then
The Gods of the Indo-Europeans, as well as my own direct forefathers, as well as our honored heroes and martyrs.
>and how do you worship them?
Sadly nowhere near as much as they deserve, since we are only one family and there is only so much we can do. Religion and cult are communal projects, but Saul, Luther and Marx have made that largely impossible here. But we do perform the traditional votive offerings of candles, incense and meals and so on. We also tell their stories to our children and try to live lives that honor them. Most of our few remaining communal festivals (like Saint John's/Midsummer and Yule and so on) are of course also observed. This is all pretty much the same as everyone else across the world except for atheists and protestants.

>>22903612
Your understanding of the saints, prayer, and the Church is based on a modern tradition (Herecy), not the ancient one. The Orthodox Church has prayed with the saints for 2,000 years! Not in worship, but in the unity of Christ’s Body.

Christ Himself said, "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to Him" (Luke 20:38). The saints are alive through Christ. Revelation 5:8 shows the elders in heaven offering the prayers of the saints to God. This is intercession, not idolatry.

As for "Scripture alone" the Bible itself never teaches that. The Church existed before the New Testament was written or compiled. Paul says, "Stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, whether by word or our epistle" (2 Thessalonians 2:15). That includes oral apostolic teaching.

You accuse, but you do not understand the faith you condemn because you stand outside the warmth of the church in the darkness of heresy.

I have no desire to argue with a fool blinded by pride and anger proverbs 26:4 teaches better but i will pray for you my german brother.

>>22903618
Have you never asked anybody to pray for you?

>>22903617
Anbetung means "that-which-is-prayed-to", if my German serves me. Interestingly, that is also the root of a lot of other religious and spiritual terms, implying that anything otherworldly that is prayed to, invoked, offered to and so on are fundamentally identical.

Regardless, my point remains: "veneration" and "worship" are synonyms from two different linguistic roots. Try again.

>>22903521 (OP)
That's not the US

>>22903612
>there are exactly 2 persons in heaven you can pray to
I thought you guys were trinitarians? Is that coming to an end?

>>22903621
Apparently not the idea seems alien to him.

When did you finally realize Marko was the greatest fucking musician to walk the face of the earth?

>>22903556
>>guided by the Holy Spirit - confirmed the veneration of Icons
>oh boi. do you know who can also pose as an angel of light?

I'd be mighty careful where I tread with that logic.
>24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
>25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
>26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
>27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
>28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
>29 “Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
>30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
>31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
>32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
>Matthew (12:24 - 32)

>what /pol/ likes to meme
Christianity subverted the Romans
>what actually happened
Romans subverted Christianity

>>22903521 (OP)

Wash away this filth, O Lord.

>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4rMPzZHiiE

>>22903628
It went both ways.
Saul and jew-gang subverted Europe with christianity, but the Romans, and later particularly the Germans, pushed back time and time again against semiticism, turning christianity into this ungodly mix of holy Europe and her eternal enemy israel (yimakh shemo).

>>22903521 (OP)
>Nicaea
Thats from WH40k! But where's the Emperor of Mankind?

>>22903627
He's completely lost in heretical thinking its pointless to argue with him. God can judge him.

>>22903619
so you worships gods that fucked human femals in the form of a bull?
peak cuckold and bestiality fetish. go be a furry somewhere else.
>like Saint John's/Midsummer and Yule and so on
sounds more like a catholic to me

>>22903556
Based Kraut. The Pope is the anti-Christ, this has been the doctrine of Protestantism until very recently when we forgot what it even meant to be a protestant.
"Veneration" don't give me that drivel, take your pagan worship in disguise and throw it into the pit of hell where it belongs.

>>22903630
>subverted Europe with christianity
by teaching the general population to read and write? lmao

>>22903635
Silence, the pagancuck don't even know that his ancestor don't had a alphabet before christcucks and romans

>>22903556
too much texto, rabbi

>>22903633
>so you worships gods that fucked human femals in the form of a bull?
Are you unfamiliar with the concepts of mythology, poetry, metaphor and allegory?
The bible is full of them too, although they are typically cruder.
>peak cuckold and bestiality fetish. go be a furry somewhere else.
Stop watching porn, anon.
>sounds more like a catholic to me
Given that I don't worship any jews or jewish myths, that is a strange label to give me. But as I said, almost everyone who isn't an atheist or a protestant does this, so that would also include catholics of both kinds.

>>22903611
>>22903589
you are both delusioned and ignorant wiggers

>>22903635
>by teaching the general population to read and write?
Ridiculous. Jews did not teach Europe literacy.
Additionally, the general population should never have been taught literacy at all, as evidenced by the waste of digital space that is your post.

>>22903638
>incoherent kvetching like a jew
many such cases, /pol is full of schizos

>>22903620
the saints that are alive maybe, not dead saints.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[a] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

>Revelation 5:8 shows the elders in heaven offering the prayers of the saints to God.
the prayer of saints who are on earth while they can still pray because they are alive, not dead.

Scripture is written, there are many things which the apostles said that is NOT in scripture because scripture alone was chosen by the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

>That includes oral apostolic teaching.
only the Holy Spirit is authorized to chose who apostles are. not by apostolic succession according to man. what w have of the traditions of what Paul was teaching we have in his epistles and not the spoken word.

>You accuse, but you do not understand the faith you condemn because you stand outside the warmth of the church in the darkness of heresy.
calm down with your accusation. according to Deuteronomy 18 your an abomination.

>>22903621
brother, I am in the world which is run by satan, I dont need prayer, I need God.

>>22903624
the Holy Spirit is in the world right now.

>>22903585
It is because protestants are originally philosemitics and wanted a return to primitive christianity aka judaism 2.0 who funny enough was condemned on the Council of Jerusalem as ''judaizers'', these christgolems lives on full cherrypicking and cope to the point of prepotence, the correct is never to reject our pagan or christian ancestors.

>>22903627
>>22903632
do you think God changes his mind when it comes to images and idols?
how would the Holy Spirit sanctify what God commanded us not to do?
where is your discernment?
>>guided by the Holy Spirit - confirmed the veneration of Icons
this sounds so wrong on so many levels.

>>22903637
I know catholics are allergic to texts, like the bible.

>>22903638
>Are you unfamiliar with the concepts of mythology, poetry, metaphor and allegory?
I read them.
nothing but incest, infanticide, bestiality, hedonism, whore mongering and cuckoldy. porn is more pure than european mythology.
>that is a strange label to give me
why? catholics are pagans, just like you.

>>22903644
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I'm always surprised at how complicated your metaphysics are.

>>22903576
>It is Saul who took it to non-Jews,
Peter ate with uncircumcised gentiles but was not preaching Jesus to them derp

Jesus Christ is God.

>>22903648
>incest, infanticide, bestiality, hedonism, whore mongering and cuckoldy
The bible contains all of this. Your point?
>porn is more pure than european mythology.
Stop watching porn, anon.
>why? catholics are pagans, just like you.
No they're not, as they place the jewish cult above their goy cults.
Regardless, let's pretend they were pagan - all catholics are then pagan, but not all pagans are catholics. A hindu or a shinto is not a catholic, but still a pagan.
Are you keeping up or should I speak slower?

>>22903531
>>22903528
Catholicism is literally DPRK. Catholicism means universal. Roman Catholicism is exclusionary and antiuniversal

Be Christian, reject Catholicism

>>22903642
The saints, equal to the angels (who rejoice over repentant sinners) are alive in Jesus Christ, the Resurrection and the Life.

Gospel According to Matthew, KJVA:

17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

>>22903640
no other group on the planet educated their peasants and low borns, but Christians. This is the biggest reason we developed far more then the rest of the world.

And you think regressing back into mud hutts is what Europe needs? I can see your nose through the posts

>>22903655
>no other group on the planet educated their peasants and low borns, but Christians.
Commies did too. Same shit different century.
>This is the biggest reason we developed far more then the rest of the world.
Hilariously wrong. Nature > nurture.
>And you think regressing back into hierarchy and aristocracy is what Europe needs?
Yes. Now please stop posting so I can forget about the whole "teaching plebs to write" calamity.

>>22903646
You might have a point if people claimed that the Holy Spirit *told* them to do it.
But that's not what's being claimed. Tradition (Paradosis) precedes Scripture; it's only by its conformity with Tradition at the time that Scripture was canonized in the first place.
And veneration of saints and images goes back just as far, meaning it was a part of Tradition even then. Which leaves you with a predicament - if the Church had fallen then, how do you know you have the correct books of Scripture?

>>22903521 (OP)
test

>>22903654
and where was Abraham when Jesus was preaching?
in the nice part of the underworld awaiting resurrection together with Lazarus in his bosom.

>>22903652
every form of paganism is worshiping of demons. so all are the same anyway.

>>22903657
>how do you know you have the correct books of Scripture
because the scripture persevered from Moses through the catholic church who persecuted people for reading it and burned bibles.
yet here it is, preserved. who can do this but God? thus it is the right thing to discard all other scripture that corrupts and leads astray, that hold false teachings, doctrines of men and traditions. there is only Word that is supreme above them all and that is the Word of God which is Holy Spirit preserved.
you shall have no other God before me.
you shall not make any carven images.
these are the commandments, its that fucking simple.

>>22903829
Moses didn't hand down the New Testament. It was a group of writings initially spread out over a geographic area, often attributed to particular authors but not necessarily written by them. They came to be accepted as "Scripture" in various places along with other books, but the actual canon wasn't sorted out until the 4th Century. They went with the books they all agreed best reflected Tradition and called that the canon.
>you shall have no other God before me.
No one places anyone before God.
>you shall not make any carven images
The key part there is the part you left out that follows - it's not the carven images themselves that are forbidden, it's the bowing down and worshiping them as God part.
No one treats an ikon or statue *as God*. It's similar to a photograph of a loved one. You might kiss a photograph but it doesn't mean you actually think you're kissing your loved one.
Also note that, liturgically speaking, there are no images of the Father. There is the Son, but he did in fact come to earth and men and women did see him with their eyes; the theology behind holy images is tied closely into the theology of the incarnation of Christ Himself.
Idols were meant to be incarnations of God and were treated as such. As Christians we reject that because there is only one Incarnation - Jesus Christ himself.
What was forbidden was treating a Graven Image like you'd treat Christ Himself.

>>22903847
>They came to be accepted as "Scripture
scripture is the OT and NT. and the books we have in the NT are mostly from the apostles.

>No one places anyone before God.
then why pray to saints and mary. thats exactly putting someone before God. you pray to them before you pray to God.

>The key part there is the part you left out that follows - it's not the carven images themselves that are forbidden, it's the bowing down and worshiping them as God part.
man, talking about digging your own hole.
>its not technically that we pass our sons and daughters trough fire as long as its not done by a priest of moloch
same talmudic bs just in christian form. I could vomits from this blatant legalism.

>>22903873
>scripture is the OT and NT. and the books we have in the NT are mostly from the apostles.
No, the NT are attributed to the apostles.
There's plenty of reasons to believe the actual apostles didn't actually write them and if you believe they did then there's no point in continuing this conversation because you are disconnected from reality and living in your own fantasy world.

>then why pray to saints and mary. thats exactly putting someone before God. you pray to them before you pray to God.
Because saints and Mary do nothing of their own power. Those who have departed in Christ are alive in Christ.
When you pray to a saint, you are asking them to intercede on your behalf. Not by their power, but rather for their prayers. It is no different than asking someone from your congregation to pray for you - Christ's Church is in Heaven as well.

>man, talking about digging your own hole.
No one is worshiping icons or statues as though they are God. They are asking those whom are represented by the images to pray for them.
It is like looking at a portrait of your mother while asking her on the phone to pray for you.

>same talmudic bs just in christian form. I could vomits from this blatant legalism.
The only legalism here is on your end. You are the one insisting on strict heavily-defined lines where Christians historically didn't draw them.