Thread 22911373

I have a question, if the Fall of Adam and Eve brought death to the world why do we have evidence of animals dying in brutal ways before man was created? This is shaking my faith and I don't know what to make of it

There was death, decay and disease before the Fall but why?

>>22911373 (OP)
If this is a genuine question, then I'll tell you that you are overthinking this, like a woman who blows up a molehill into a mountain in her mind and then dumps the entire mountain on your head.

Look at people in your community, and just look for patterns that distinguish the faithful and the atheistic. Which ones seem to be happier, more mentally stabler, have more community connection and less social isolation, more families with children vs. wine moms and cat moms, and so on.

At some point, you have to understand it's called faith for a reason. Have faith, but look to the evidence you can see with your own eyes in the world around you, when you need reassurance.

Islam is the answer. The final religion.

>>22911374
I understand, unfortunately I had these type of thoughts ever since I was a kid, I keep questioning thins. I'm not smart, I know I'm not, but I'm still unable to stop myself from overthinking, I do believe in God even if it doesn't make complete sense to me but I still can't shake the fact that I want to understand all of this better

>>22911373 (OP)
You do get it's literally just a metaphor for switching from hunter gatherer to farming right?it's just another "in the good old days" story. People just thought (and rightly so) that humans were happier and healthy back when we were hunter gatherers than early civilization

>>22911376
Take some advice from an oldfag; Kiwi: start small, start close, and work your way upward and outward from there. What I mean is, concern yourself with stuff that meaningfully affects you directly in your daily life, understand and control that stuff first, before even thinking of trying to grapple with existential questions like this. If you're not healthy and exercising, nourishing and maintaining healthy friendships, and so on and so forth, then you're wasting your time on this stuff. Focus on the tangible everyday stuff, you'll be better off and happier to boot.

Walk before you run, and accept that you'll never understand everything and that's ok. Control what you can control, trust in God for the rest.

Good luck

>>22911376
Eden isn't on earth as we know it.
In contemporary terms when Adam and Even got kicked out of Eden for disobedience they switched onto the bad timeline where death rules (ostensibly).

the animals in paradise are still doing fine. They didn't get exiled into this kingdom of death. the ones that are here with us in the evil mirror universe we're largely permitted to eat, even if its just because they taste good and give us more energy for our efforts than plant based food. we should fast sometimes though.

>>22911373 (OP)
Reality is perception. Adult wants to keep children pure and make them avoid death and violent for a reason.

>>22911377
That’s Cain and Abel though

>>22911373 (OP)
>worshipping a Jew
Stop that
Fuck off

>>22911373 (OP)
This board is not church
This board is not /x/
This question is not political.
The answer to your question is to shove a jesus figurine up your ass.

>>22911373 (OP)
the Fall of Adam and Eve is just a symbol of the divine game between twin flames over several lifetimes
This is why Jesus, the son of Mary, sacrificed himself to be reunited with Mary Magdalene in the other life.

>>22911378
You are right Anon, thank you. Maybe I'm putting too much on my plate. I have been going to Church more consistently so let's see how it goes

>>22911375
>Islam is the answer. The final religion.
Well, at least one rapture has already occurred. This planet is, in fact, the place that some people from Earth (such as myself) were raptured to. We weren't "taken to Heaven." We were brought here instead. We're now on a real, physical, 3D planet that is definitely NOT Earth.

Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Furthermore, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is just an impostor planet.

Make sure to read my pinned X thread (all four posts). And regarding my X bio, I am exactly who I say I am. Bozrah natives must break free from the spell they've been under. This entire situation has gotten so ridiculous. At this point, I'm just waiting for the day of vengeance.

Pinned X thread:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589
or
https://bozrah.info

It's time to wake up. Open your eyes. You're not on Earth.

All of these newfags unable to identify the resident New Zealand atheist poster and his thinly veiled christcuck humiliation thread. Bravo.

>>22911383
Politic is downstream from religion.

>>22911387
A bait without a hook is called food.

>>22911387
I'm genuinely struggling with my faith, not everything on the internet is a conspiracy

>>22911390
Right. This whole world is mine, and you are just living it.

>>22911373 (OP)
>Fall of Adam and Eve
is an allegory for how the worship of the material world just makes for a lonely demise
it's also an allegory for how women are never to be trusted because they will always mingle with interlope with foreign "snakes"

>>22911373 (OP)
Interpreting the bible stories as being part the current timeline is low-iq and incredibly materialistic. Its pretty clear the old testament happened in a different reality. With the death of Jesus god switched to a belief without evidence form of salvation. And to facilitate this he made a new world which was crafted to appear naturally formed and contain zero evidence of his existence.

Also, if you are still confused about death existing before humans. Consider that god is not constrained by our primitive understandings of linear time and continuity.

>>22911373 (OP)
you need to question your faith more and leave the (((christianity))) behind

>>22911373 (OP)
i feel like this whole thread is a ruse, but if something doesn't make sense to you anon then keep digging for the actual truth, ignore the 'muh faith' morons, if they were in charge the internet would not exist and we would ironically never have to hear their shitty opinions which are unfortunately driving the world back into the dark ages, keep searching and importantly keep experiencing life so that you get to know yourself and reach some spiritual peace

>>22911394
Pagans are fat, and ugly.

>>22911390
You sure mr posts "Atheists have higher IQ" image most days.

>>22911373 (OP)
To be immortal you need to eat the tree of life, aka obtain the skill from that skilltree

Genesis 3:22–24 (NIV)
And the Lord God said,
“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

After he drove the man out,
he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth
to guard the way to the tree of life."

What's the issue exactly?

>>22911388
Only because psychopaths use religion to convince retards of their politics

>>22911388
By that I mean, it's not a stream it's a human centipede

>>22911375
Judaism 3.0 is obsolete, upgrade to the current 4.0 release (Mormonism)

>>22911399
Every single political belief is a form of Religion. Down to the Law of the land.

>>22911396
you are brown and asian

>>22911373 (OP)
>we have evidence of animals dying in brutal ways

yes. animals. not men. animals and goyim dont matter.

>>22911403
I'm Thai/Chinese/American(white). My skin is pure white jade.

>>22911402
Right I remember when Jesus said "Thou shalt not import indians for they are a scorn upon the earth"

Deer God: Why did you let me drowned? I was really, really nice all of the tyme and I praid to Jesus every day. You didn't safe me, but I did hold onto a tree before my arms got tyred. If I had nown I wood have drowned I would have praid to the tree first to safe me. Maybe then I wood be alive and see my family again too!! But alas, now I am dead. Fuck!! Please tell my parents that my body is in Regret county, and that Jesus was a complete waste of time. Regards; - Dead kid.

>>22911406
Example. Capitol punishment. Are the state above your right to live? If so, execution, it is.

>>22911399
That's retarded.

>>22911373 (OP)

It just means embodiment introduces death and decay. It's not that complicated.

You could have been chilling in Eden, but you just had to be born. Fuck you.

>>22911373 (OP)
The answer is in Genesis chapter 1. It's called the Gap Theory. There's a break between Creation in verse 1 and the re-creation in verse 2, where the Spirit is hovering over the waters (?)
so basically:
God created the heavens and earth
- GAP -
and the earth BECAME void and empty and darkness was upon the face of the deep

In that gap there was a pre-Adamic world that was also destroyed by water and Adam is a part of the re-creation. Noah, a second type of Adam populates the world again after the second flood that covered the earth.
My theory is that Satan was a part of the pre-Adamic world and thus his envy prompted him to corrupt Adam in Eden. Satan wants the world because he had it first.

>>22911373 (OP)
The reason we die of old age is because if we didn't, we'd die of cancer, likely in the womb before we were even born.

Every time a cell divides, the DNA also divides. Each daughter cell gets half a strand, and an enzyme rebuilds it. Once both cells have a full DNA strand, they are ready to divide again.

But each time the DNA strand splits, a piece is torn off each end. This would be catastrophe if information was lost. But there are around 100 genes - repeating TG sequences - that don't code for anything. There is no 'start' code at the beginning. These are sacrificial genes we call 'telomeres'.

Once these telomeres are reduced to one or two left, the cell refuses to divide anymore. It works fine, it just becomes unavailable for division.

This protects against a damaged cell that cannot detect it's neighbors, triggering it to begin dividing when the neighbors are actually there. If the cell also cannot suicide when the body orders it to (apoptosis) it can quickly turn cancerous. The final prevention is those telomeres. Many of us, perhaps most, have skin tags, birthmarks, moles, and other signs that certain cells went rogue and were only stopped by the daughter cells running out of telomeres.

We go from one fertilized cell to about ten trillion in only nine months in the womb. Shit is going to go wrong with that many divisions. And it does. Many times. But we don't die of cancer because we're protected by those telomeres.

The cure for dying of cancer is dying of old age. When most of the cells in our bodies will no longer repair tissues, we wrinkle, get brittle bones, dim eyesight, stooped backs, grey hair, then the flu kills us. This is the price we pay for being able to survive long enough to have offspring. Evolutions gives zero fucks what happens to the individual after they've reproduced.

Some design, huh?

>>22911412
What if the person (me) never gets to reproduce and dies anyways? How is that fair?

>>22911412
Fruit eating was not responsible for senescence. That's something only a religious person could believe. And in any case, even if we take the story at face value, the serpent did not lie.

>>22911413
Fair is not a biological concept.

>>22911373 (OP)
I thought of this aswell not long ago.
It is said or implied that there was no killing and animals, humans lived in harmony.

If Adam and Eve are the fruit and got punished, why did the beasts aswell get cursed with death?

Abrahamic religions are lies.

>>22911373 (OP)
Gnosticism is the way. Christ was genuinely a good person but Christianity is an engineered religion meant to make people passive towards uncaring and sometimes abhorrent leaders. Christ didn’t act for God. Christ acted in spite of god.

>>22911385
So I was a agnostic atheist up until a year ago, was raised to believe in the Bible but was a pretty miserable kid, first I ended up thinking God hates me just like my parents, siblings, and everyone else, and eventually by 11 or 12 I became a full blown atheist after cursing God and the whole trinity by name, immediately following this it felt like my soul or something became severely ill, coupled with severe foreboding lasting like two weeks. I wrote that off as simply a consequence of my beliefs changing, and continued not to believe up until 25, meanwhile did some horrible things, which would make eyebrows raise even here on /pol/, shit that makes me really deserve to die. But recently, I was thinking about quantum mechanics, with how random number generators are effected by thought, and some of the results of the double slit experiment, and from this reasoned that consiousness must be fundamental to reality based on what was found in those experiments, and after that I once again believed in a creator. Not long after, I recieved an odd thought out of nowhere, about faith, how God could give it to someone as a gift or take it away as he sees fit, and suddenly Christianity clicked for me, clear as day, and I began to believe, pray, and read the Bible, and as soon as that happened, demons began tormenting me day and night, with nightmares (never really had them) and voices in my head (also never had), they would make audible clicks or bangs on the wall following the voices, seemingly to hypnotize me, etc,It has been really rough for me since seeing the truth, but I assure you the Bible is true, and I can assure you just as much, demons are real and they would be very happy for you to stray away from God.

christians huff copium like a degenerate addict huffing computer duster. sad.

>>22911419
Cope about what?

>>22911405
>I'm Thai/Chinese/American(white). My skin is pure white jade.

white skin doesn't make you white, slopey boy

>>22911420
The list would be shorter if you asked what they DON'T cope about.

>>22911373 (OP)
All that paleontological, geological, and cosmological "evidence" that contradicts the Book of Genesis are false signs planted by Satan to lead mankind astray and away from our Creator.

>>22911423
Pass some of that cope over this way. I want a hit.

>>22911421
This guy see a nigger as white people.

>>22911381
No. That's the garden of Eden. Caine and Abel is just because religious leaders wanted to eat meat not the vegetables their flock offered.

>>22911422
So, about what? Your hatred with God will get you cancer.

because we weren’t native to this planet.
They wiped out everything large and put drones in the water to take out the big stuff there.
Then we were created from a mix of monkey and them. our sin being from monkey. they would never go against the rule. we did because the monkey. the monkey was the only suitable somewhat bipedal thing.

>>22911427
No way dude. I radiate myself all of the time. I'm chemotheraputicalizing myself before the cancer even starts. Besides, the way you say "god" makes it sound like yours is the only one that exists. Newsflash, buddy: you don't "own" spirituality. I can worship a tree and get away with it. The fuck you going to do about it, besides complain?

>>22911417
Christianity tells you how to live without being a dumb shit. Obsessing over worthless bullshit.

>>22911429
My God is the strongest.

>>22911424
The world is at most about 12,000 years old. It was created by God in six days. After its corruption, when it was cursed during the Fall of Man, Satan got free rein over the world and planted all kinds of misleading signs in it, from what today is studied in cosmology, to geology, to paleontology, to some archaeology.

>>22911431
You can go through life huffing as much copium as you'd like, buddy. People believe all sorts of shit.

>>22911373 (OP)
>brought death to the world
Why was there a tree of life and why did Adam and Eve have to eat if there was no death?

>>22911433
Most people are not the ruler of the world. I am. Because my God is the strongest.

>>22911433
I believe in Ashtar Command. He WILL return my $50. I just need to be patient, and maintain a high frequency.

>>22911435
Okay, buddy. Your dad and my dad can fight in the Walmart parking lot. My dad will stab your dad if he starts to loose.

>>22911437
I am the King of the universe. There is no one who can reign above Me.

>>22911437
Democracy is just a cope for you people. Because you want to feel equal as Me.

>>22911438
>>22911439
SOMEONE needs to take their medication!! Preferably right now.

>>22911440
That's a win for me. You cannot understand Me, so you called me crazy. You are not omnisciece. You are not God.

>>22911441
Do a magic then, and give me a blonde girlfriend in my bed right now. I know you won't.

>>22911408
Only if you assume it's an issue of whether murder is wrong

I believe when you threaten the life of another you forfeit your own
It isn't an issue of morals, just exchange

>>22911373 (OP)
Yer asking why retards with 62 IQ are getting dates wrong for shit they weren't around for. You can make anything seem old with a little make-up and a piece of paper from a jew calling you an "expert". Read the pages and stop looking for outside guidance to the bible. Its all there already.

Or, yer just a kike shill and your father, satan, will rape your asshole for eternity you filthy jigger

>>22911443
It is an issue of right.
Do you see the government as God? Then they should be able to kill you.
Do you see the government as your servant? Then they should exist only to serve Me. No capitol punishment.

>>22911382
>meme flag
>jewish pilpul hating christ
shalom rabbi

>>22911445
Why not make God the head of government?

Godvernment.

>>22911447
My God is the head of my government. The supreme authority of which I am obliged to obey.

>>22911449
God is above the Bible.

>>22911434
>why did Adam and Eve have to eat if there was no death?
For pleasure

>>22911373 (OP)
There is religion, and then there is God. One can lead to the other, but realise that religions are man made. They are not the truth, but they can lead to the truth.

>>22911390
So what bible passages are "evidence of animals dying in brutal ways" before man was created?
I'm not great on my Genesis chronology we could discuss it

Imagine allowing the government to kill you. How cuck can you be? Glowies should bow before me. You dumb shit are my servants. You serve Me, not the other way around.

Where did the bible state that the garden of eden encompassed all of earth?

Can one truly laugh their ass off?
Cause that's not a serious question.

>>22911373 (OP)
The Bible only talks about the fall of Adam and Eve bringing death to mankind, not all things. It’s implied that animals and plants already had a natural cycle of life and death. How would animals eat if they couldn’t kill plant life? Same goes with fish. Why were animals given the directive to be fruitful and multiply? If they could already live forever, they would dominate resources to the point it became unsustainable and all plant life was eaten from the face of the earth due to a loss in equillibrium. Animals could also not eat from the tree of life. Trees with seed bearing fruit were only given to humanity to eat. Another reason was the tree of life belonged in one location only.

>>22911373 (OP)
Good, you started to think. Now they will call you the devil.

>>22911414
The serpent did lie. It claimed they would not die if they ate the fruit. Spoiler, that’s exactly what happened.

religion is fake n gay.

I realized this in my teens, but congratulations on finally maturing enough to notice it.

>>22911373 (OP)
because you are a white guy trying to fathom middle east logic