Sometimes some of you forget this is a religion that created in the Middle East not Europe.

And that Jesus was aramiac not European. The nigga referred to god using the aramiac term which is "Alaha". Which is strikingly similar to Allah.

You guys have been worshipping desert browns for centuries. Everything comes from the Middle East.

>>23067989 (OP)
How does that affect if it's true or not? I'm not even religious but how is that an argument?

>>23067989 (OP)
It was born in the Roman Empire. Also. A reminder that you will never have foreskin.

>>23067990
It's an argument because we let shitskins who are incompatible with our values take over the world and forgot that we functioned just fine for thousands of years without them.

He did not refer in Aramaic, he used legitimate Hebrew words several times

>Abba
As in OP is brown and a nigger, so he lies

>>23067992
I mean how is that an argument for or against the veracity? It's like going (Uh... you know language was created in Africa!!?!?! So why speak?!?!)

>>23067993
He spoke Aramiac you can cope all you want but in his day to day life him and the people around him referred to God using the term Alaha. The nigga was brown as fuck and you hate that you worship that. Keep coping though.

>>23067990
Well it kinda defeats the idea of white nationalism if the main religion you worship was created by a brown man in the middle east a couple thousand years ago.

>>23067991
Absolute cope. Romans spat on Christians. They viewed it as a foreign religion and this is a historical fact.

>>23067996
It was created by God Almighty. The supreme absolute above your worthless skin.

>>23067997
Tell me one thing. Do you have foreskin or not?

>>23067996
Why would anybody care about white nationalism unless it somehow was spiritually transcendent of this life? You act like it's a given white nationalism is inherently good or worth anything. You never proved that to me.

Again, I'm not even Christian but I hate people who go
>OMG dessert religion so false... anyway white race is super super important... I mean yeah we're all going to die and turn to dust but it still heckin' matters for some reason

>>23067994
It's primarily an argument for the denouncement of all abrahamic tradition and scripture. Most people nowadays think that these things are essential to civilization when they very clearly are not.

>>23068001
Atheists minecraft server is a wasteland. Christian minecraft server is a fucking City.

>>23068000
I'm not a white nationalist just pointing out the hypocrisy of being one and worshipping Christ.

>>23067999
No I do not have foreskin not sure why you're interested in my cock but okay.

>>23067998
Then God almighty is a brown man because Jesus was brown.

>>23068004
Is an intelligence agency your genitals is all it matters

If they could tell a crime from a hole in the road we wouldn't be here

>>23068004
Thanks for not lying. But I will still see you as a circumcised cattle.

>>23068004
why is your penis mutilated, what religion are you

>juddaism minecraft server: none existence
>islam minecraft server: none existence
>white pipo: minecraft server
>pagan minecraft server: none existence
Come back to me when you have a minecraft server.

>>23068009
>Come back to me when you have a minecraft server
Kek
>When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things

>>23068010
>still build nothing
You fat fuck only know how to eat and consume.

>>23068011
>speaks from experience
Kek

>>23068012
You are a circumcised fatty, not me.

>>23068008
Former Christian.

>>23067989 (OP)
cool genetic fallacy OP.
The question is, is it true? Is Jesus really the Christ?

>>23068014
Christianity do not promote circumcision.

>>23068014
>if ye be circumcised christ shall profit you nothing
I can see why, my condolences

>>23067990
>How does that affect if it's true or not? I'm not even religious
>>23068000
>Why would anybody care about white nationalism unless it somehow was spiritually transcendent of this life?
This is a Christcuck or a jew.

>>23067989 (OP)
All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional
Politics is Treachery
Religion is Brainwashing

Expose Zionism for what it really is, just a mix of political & religious propaganda to steal land and murder people

Zionists hate atheists the most because without the religious delusion of god making the Jew the chosen ones it removes any credibility of god giving them the promised land and reduces the zionists to land grabbing murderers

>>23067989 (OP)
Any anti-Christian thread I'll automatically assume op is a jew. Keep seething jew, Christ is real and you're the synagogue of satan.

>>23068020
Not a Jew. In fact I probably hate Jews more since Christ was a crypto Jew.

>>23068018
Not a Jew just an autist

>>23068022
>posts exactly like a jew
>I'm not a jew!
Then you're a lying Christcuck.

>>23067991
>A reminder that you will never have foreskin.
neither will Rabbi Yeshua

>>23068023
Nothing I said has been successfully argued against things don't just magically matter because you want them to

>>23068013
>speaks from experience
Hahaha

>>23068021
The major religion jews hate is Christianity and everything related to Christianity and Western Civilization. If you're not a jew you sure act like one. All other religions are tolerated including Islam. Other than replacement of Whites is the total destruction of the West by making it more secular. Sucking the very soul out of everything that was done before.

>>23068027
>jews hate is Christianity and everything related to Christianity
Not really. That's a myth pushed here that doesn't have any actual merit

>>23067996
you'd have a point if the religion was created rather than discovered or revealed.
if Christianity is false and the facts it rests on were created (God joined us in our suffering and died for our sins in order to reconcile us to Himself) then you're right to shit on it.
if the events actually happened in reality though, the location it happened in are utterly irrelevant as it has cosmic implications, not just middle eastern ones.

>>23068020
ah yes, jews fear those who worship them!

>>23067989 (OP)
Pic related is all of you need to know.

>>23068028
It's not even here on /pol/ you see it daily. Look at jewish control media. Which religion do they ridicule the most? Like Cynthia Erivo demonic appearance as Jesus in that play. Spitting of Christians and bombing churches in Israel. This is all surface level stuff.

>>23068030
kek, hilarious coming from a ruskie. Your people are born to suck jewish cock.

>>23068032
>It's not even here on /pol/ you see it daily
Not really. Any problems Christianity has is caused by themselves

>>23068033
>no u
this the best you got? sad

>>23068034
what exactly does that mean?

>>23067989 (OP)
you are a brown person o algo. only brown people blaspheme rabbi yehoshua bar yosef, king of the circumcised mohels and aryans.
pic related is what our aryan king and lord and saviour really looked like

>>23068037
based

>>23068036
It means exactly what it means. Christianity is filled with the most narcissistic and egotistical people in the West. None of you follow Jesus, rather you cherry pick what suites you. All.of you do this. Hence the 30k+ divisions.

Also, here's the upgrade pic my adoring fan

>>23067989 (OP)
Islam comes from the progeny of the Pharisees.
Same progeny would write down their own beliefs in the Talmud around 800AD and iterate on it as time went on, calling themselves Jews because of the Kingdom of Judah they used to rule before the Romans walked in.
Those Romans in turn took the local messianic myths as recorded in the original Septuagint (200BC) and indulged in some storywriting of their own, insisting that the prophecies have all been fulfilled through the sacrifice of Jesus and everyone can just safely wait within Roman borders and enjoy being a province of Rome instead of trying to force the hand of God with endless ritual sacrifices.
In the centuries that followed, the Pharisees corrupted the imperial line and were able to take that localised myth and turn it into a top-down replacement mythology for every province.
Friendly reminder that Pontifex Maximus, the official title of the Pope, means Highest Priest and comes right out of Roman rule.

>>23068000
>white race is super super important
This, but unironically. Fuck Yeshua and his spiritually jewish followers.

>>23068029
>you'd have a point if the religion was created rather than discovered or revealed
All religion is created. Your favorite one included

>>23068037
that's why the vast majority of Popes are white. That's why we were tasked as a people to spread Christianity.

>>23068041
My question is why does it matter if everything is going to end

>>23068039
You don't look jewish so I give you that. You look like a redditor so your opinions are discarded.

>>23067989 (OP)
The average /pol/ user believes that the US led the Axis Powers and that Hitler was a bona-fide red-blooded American patriot

>>23068044
>everything is going to end
Source?

>>23068042
i see, so you're a strong atheist now rather than an weak or agnostic atheist.
let's hear your evidence for this claim.
it would be unfair to make you invalidate every single religion, so let's just stick with the only true one, Christianity, or you could present evidence and argumentation on why you believe a naturalist materialist ontology is true instead, which would accomplish the same thing.

the mic's yours fatass.

>>23068047
The Bible.
>And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment,

>>23068045
>You don't look jewish so I give you that
Because I'm not
>>23068045
>You look like a redditor so your opinions are discarded.
Your jealousy is obvious

>>23068048
>so you're a strong atheist now rather than an weak or agnostic atheist.
When it comes to the Christian claims, Yup

>>23068048
>let's hear your evidence for this claim.
I just gave it

>>23068048
>so let's just stick with the only true one, Christianity,
Which brand is the "true" one?
>>23068048
>the mic's yours fatass
Fat where? I'm in better shape than you'll ever be

still not worshiping your marvel characters
you look ridiculous swinging that hammer around btw

>>23068049
Wasn't speaking to you, christgolem.

>>23068052
You are all speaking to Me. Because I am the Master of the world.

>>23068044
Nihilistic view point doesn't help. There's a reason why whites should fight to have their own country. Practically everything relevant today including using your computer to having cities were all concepts and built by white people. Whites giving up and just getting replaced by more browns is a total destruction of culture and civilization that our ancestors help built out for generations. It's spitting in the face of great grandpa. This is the devil's work (jew)

true christian only follow the "new testament", the real bible, the only one you will need

jews tell you to accept the "old testament", that is the real jewish psyop

>>23068050
>so you're a strong atheist now rather than an weak or agnostic atheist.
>When it comes to the Christian claims, Yup
not surprising, most atheists are really just antichristians, since they know the Christian God is the only one that actually exists.
let's hear your arguments and evidence that invalidate Christianity.
>let's hear your evidence for this claim.
>I just gave it
apologies, but i don't see it.
could you point me to where you laid it out?

>>23068056
>not surprising, most atheists are really just antichristians,
Not surprising as most come from abusive Christian homes and Christians are the dominant religion in the West
>>23068056
>let's hear your arguments and evidence that invalidate Christianity.
You
>>23068056
>but i don't see it.
Skill issue
>>23068056
>could you point me to where you laid it out?
Laid what out exactly?

>>23068037
LMAO

>>23067989 (OP)
>Jesus was aramiac not European.
Lmao why is it so hard to say he was a jew?

>>23068055
This is whay I'm talking about.
>19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You morons don't even read your bible

>>23068055
You should follow the New Testament but understanding the Old Testament is also important. Jesus refers to it a lot. When he was being tempted by satan in the desert he quoted Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:16, and 6:13.

Death is never the end. It is merely the transition of consciouness. Pray that you will never wake up in Dogscape.
Because that will be the true End.
>no more Death
>Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

>>23068054
>Whites giving up and just getting replaced by more browns is a total destruction of culture and civilization that our ancestors help built out for generations.
why does that matter if we're all just a cosmic accident in a universe that doesn't give a shit about us?
we're just meat robots who toil on this spinning ball of mud for a few decades and then stop existing forever right?
>>23068057
>Laid what out exactly?
the evidence for your claim you said you'd laid out.

also, is this stylized anarchy tattoo on what's presumably your ring finger an indicator that you're polyamorous or in an open marriage?

>>23068057
>Not surprising as most come from abusive Christian homes and Christians are the dominant religion in the West

I'm sorry that happen to you bro. Humans aren't perfect even if they are Christians. The fundamentals of Christianity of suffering. We all suffer in our own ways. I pray you come back to Christ one day. He will always welcome you no matter how much you despise him. I know because the same happen to me and it took me 7 years to come back to Christ.

>>23068063
>the evidence for your claim you said you'd laid out.
What was my claim?
>>23068063
>also, is this stylized anarchy tattoo on what's presumably your ring finger an indicator that you're polyamorous or in an open marriage?
I had that laser removed.

Thanks for demonstrating how disingenuous Christians are

>>23068064
>We all suffer in our own ways
Yup, and I overcome them myself

>>23068065
That there is no God.
>For the director of music. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

>>23068066
>That there is no God
Who are you quoting?

>>23068061
>Deuteronomy 8:3

The one about manna?

>>23068067
All atheists in the world.

>>23068054
I'm asking why any of it matters unless there's life after death. I'm being genuine I literally can't bring myself to care about anything beyond my death unless I can be shown I should.

otherwise it just seems like you're performing as a white nationalist out of boredom because you need to do something until you die

>>23068069
Incorrect

>>23067989 (OP)
As with everything great it required Europeans to make it so, whether that concerns oil to fuel our creations or fairytales to fuel civilisations matters little.

And no, that does not islam, the obviously worse option, worthy of consideration or tolerance.

>>23068065
>Thanks for demonstrating how disingenuous Christians are
what's disingenuous about asking a question regarding the mating habits of the adherents to atheism?
how was i supposed to know you'd had it laser removed?
did it initially symbolize that you're in a polycule or into cuck fetishism?

>What was my claim?
here i pointed out you're no longer able to cower behind the shield of agnosticism, as you'd just ventured into hard/positive atheism: >>23068048 and i asked for your evidence and argumentation for your positive atheism.
to which you tacitly agreed and claimed to have already presented it >>23068050

>>23068071
>The Dogscape knows all, and is strict but fair. She provides justice where justice is due.

>>23068007
Brother some of our protestant fathers Did it to us because the mkultra was hard core. Forgive them.

>>23068070
They're called genes, retard. They make you immortal if you pass them on.

Otherwise develop you own metaphysical afterlife to cope.

>>23068070
You find meaning in your own way. Nihilism is a view point I'm highly against. My life belongs to Christ. I'll pray for you brother. I know if I flat out say go to Church or turn to God it may fall in deaf ear. You, yourself must find meaning as your ancestors themselves found meaning.

>>23068073
>what's disingenuous about asking a question regarding the mating habits of the adherents to atheism?
Thanks for doing it again

>>23068073
What was my claim again?

>>23068007
Also... Ephesians 4:31

>>23067989 (OP)
You betray your ancestors like the rest of your 'nation'.
You deserve the hellscape you have created.
You are a traitor.

>>23068078
mindbroken.

what about this tattoo?
it sort of looks hebrew to me, what's it say?

>>23068081
Again, what was my claim?

You will die. You will wake up from Death. Pray that you will not see DOG.

>>23068068
Yes, but towards, the end. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." He said this after fasting for 40 days and 40 nights. Satan tempted him by saying, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."

>>23068082
your claim was that all religions are created rather than being discovered or revealed, in the context of me framing the Christian religion as resting on an event that had taken place in reality.
it was not an agnostic claim, it was a positive claim to knowledge.

go ahead and justify it, the mic's yours fatass.

>>23068076
>They make you immortal if you pass them on.
How? What about the heat death? Do you think humanity will last forever? I find it way more likely AI shit takes over and genes are abolished than humans lasting forever and ever and ever. Also what about CRISPR allowing gene editing so why do genese even matter if some Congolese can just go "1 aryan baby please!"

>>23068077
I have no issue with Christians I really respect them because they have a genuine belief that makes sense internally with their world view. I don't even mean to/want to be a nihilist I just have a hard time finding any meaning in life logically because I don't have a religion/spiritual belief I've been able to believe. So it makes it hard for me to care about things logically even if sometimes I have emotional attachments to things I always overthink it and feel like it doesn't matter.

Christians I can understand because there's eternal life and consequences. But I never understood people who claim things like "The white race matters so much" but then are atheist or don't have any theory for anything existing beyond life

>>23068053
Yikes.
>Rom 16:17
>1Tim 1:9-10
>Gal 2:20
>Jer 9:23-24

>>23068085
>go ahead and justify it, the mic's yours fatass
Everyone is born an atheist and taught religion.

>>23068087
I am the Master of this entire world. It is the Truth.

>>23068086
i have respect for your position too.
i see Christianity (not mere theism) and nihilism as the only tenable worldviews.

everything inbetween is either borrowing meaning from a worldview like Christianity without acknowledging its foundations, or trying to construct significance from a universe that on its own terms is indifferent and purposeless.
if there's no transcendent source of value, no objective moral lawgiver, no ultimate telos, then meaning becomes a personal fiction. emotionally comforting maybe but logically inconsistent. that's why i think people who passionately assert racial identity or moral causes while denying any metaphysical grounding are caught in a contradictions. they're demanding significance from a framework that by its own admission can't supply it.
Christianity doesn't just offer eternal life, it offers coherence. it makes sense of why we care, why we love, why we feel guilt, why we seek justice.
without it you're left with either nihilism or a kind of borrowed capital from a worldview that can't be held.
>>23068088
cringe

>>23068089
Mark 7:21-22

The Middle East is the center of the world, whether you like it or not. Notice that everyone in the world east of the Middle East writes and reads from right to left, while everyone west of the Middle East reads and writes from left to right. Human history starts there, not with some mutated monkey from Africa.

>>23068088
You have hebrew tattoos on your arm. Yet. You used to lie about not having circumcision. Curious.

>>23068089
is this you?

>>23068091
Simply stating fact.

>>23068094
No.

>>23068090
>cringe
Truth often is for those who don't like it

>>23068093
>wants to know about my dick
You are a homo

>>23068093
1Tim 5:21

Christ is King, guys.
Fuck niggers, fuck jews, fuck kikes, fuck atheists, fuck protestants, fuck mohammedans, fuck liberals.
GG WP, we already won.

>>23068098
I'm not a liar. You are.

>>23068101
>I'm not a liar.
I know you're not lying about being a homo

>>23068102
You lie, and talk shit to Jezus Christ. You are garbage. Pity those who tolerate you.

>>23068103
>Jezus Christ
>Jezus
Kek

>>23068100
>Christ is King
Psalms 2:6
>“I have installed My King on Zion, upon My holy mountain.”

>>23067989 (OP)
What about white Jesus?
What if Gallilee was an enclave of Gauls? Then Jesus would be plausibly white. And what about the relation to Dionysius? Then the dots would actually all connect but the conclusion is unthinkable to modern Christians.
Remember Christianity at it's core is drinking hallucinogenic wine in an underground tomb and seeing spirits either angels or of the dead. Remember that the admonition against pharmakeios is towards those that deceive by drug use. Not big pharma, not sorcerers, but instead likely mystery cults that allegedly killed people who didn't believe after going through rituals drugged.

>>23068104
Circumcised cattle.

>>23068102
pssst ^^
>1Tim 1:9-10
>Rom 1:26-32

>>23068107
>thinking about cow dick
Wew

>>23068108
You are garbage for siding with him.

>>23068103
>Eph 5:4
> Gal 5:19-21
>>23068107
Argumentative
> Rom 16:17

>>23068106
>What about white Jesus?

>>23068109
I think about all the suffering you have been through. It gives me joy.

>>23068110
I'm not reading what he is saying. Just you brother.
>Gal 5:19-21

>>23068086
>What about the heat death?
You mean the thing that might happen in trillions of years?

>I find it way more likely AI shit takes over and genes are abolished than humans lasting forever and ever and ever
Certainty possible.
>Also what about CRISPR allowing gene editing
Would likely work in conjunction with AI. We would become gene edited Übermensch androids. Sounds pretty based to me. The genetic root is still intact.

You're gambling on total gene death, which for the past 4 billion years or so has not been the case. Something could alter life forever and genes become irrelevant somehow, but that's entirely hypothetical.

>>23068113
>Matt 7:5

>>23067989 (OP)
daily reminder that op is a deracinated faggot

>>23068090
>Christianity doesn't just offer eternal life, it offers coherence.
No, christjewry is a second temple sect that offers extensive cope about a failed moshiach.
1 peter 4:7
>The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so that you can pray.
2 peter 3:8
>Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
2 peter 3:9
>The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

>>23068113
Me too. I'm like a Saiyan, it only makes me stronger :^)

>>23068116
My Master is the God of Destruction.

>>23067989 (OP)
Christianity is a jewish doomsday cult.

>>23068119
Yes. You will have more suffering after you die.

>>23067993
>spoke the jew-language

Even worse.

>>23068118
i get you're trying to critique Christianity from a historical and theological angle, but quoting scripture to undermine its coherence ironically assumes that scripture has some interpretive authority.
if Christianity is just "cope" then why engage its texts as if they matter?

the real issue isn't whether you like Christianity's claims, it's whether your own worldview can account for things like logic, morality and meaning without borrowing from the Christian framework. if you reject Christianity, fine, but then you have to explain how your worldview justifies the very tools you're using to critique it.
the verses you quoted don't contradict coherence, they reflect a theological understanding of time patience and divine purpose. you may not accept that, but the internal logic is consistent.

can your worldview offer a better explanation for why anything matters at all?

>>23068090
>if there's no transcendent source of value, no objective moral lawgiver, no ultimate telos, then meaning becomes a personal fiction
Coming from a position of your personal fiction
>>23068090
>that's why i think people who passionately assert racial identity or moral causes while denying any metaphysical grounding are caught in a contradictions
Anyone cam have metaphysical grounding that isn't your favorite flavor of god
>>23068090
>they're demanding significance from a framework that by its own admission can't supply it.
>by its own admission
This is false. You're supposing your personal feelings are the only way. Yet people everyday demonstrate that to no be true

>>23068124
>it's whether your own worldview can account for things like logic, morality and meaning without borrowing from the Christian framework
Or the fact that Christianity borrowed from Greek and Roman frameworks

>>23068122
>Yes. You will have more suffering
Cool, I'm ready :^)

>>23068127
Having circumcised dick is only the beginning.

>>23068128
>still thinking about my dick
Kek, homo

>>23068027
The dude is trying to save you from the jews and you have been programmed to see him as an enemy. Cult member behavior.

>>23068001
That doesn't make any sense, if your motivation for faith is simply due to geographical location of it's orign that doesn't address the theological aspect. If Christ is king and the son of God, it holds equally true in Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas regardless of origin point. Dismissing it based on ethnicity is literally not an argument for the validity of any European pagan religions. Religion is not an accessory.

To say that Christians are following instructions that were written from memory onto letters in ancient Greek is charitable. Really they follow whatever they want and only check if it's incongruous with the New Testament if they feel bad about it.
Where shit went wrong - if you ask me - is when people started following Psalms as theological evidence. Song of Songs isn't treated as important life advice or divine metaphysical groundwork but the campfire chant that Susan wrote in 200 bc sure is apparently

>>23068129
You will give birth to a child, and that child will be eaten by Dogs along with your lover.

>>23068125
you're right that people live as if life has meaning, even without believing in God.
but the question isn't whether people feel meaning, it's whether their worldview can justify it.
if moral values are just emergent preferences or social constructs, then there's no objective reason why one set of values ought to be preferred over another. you might feel with your feelings that justice matters, or that monogamy is wrong, but without a transcendent grounding, those are just personal or cultural opinions. and if someone else feels differently there's no ultimate standard to adjudicate between you.
so when i say "by its own admission" i mean that a materialist or naturalist framework admits it has no access to real moral oughts. it can describe behaviors but it can't prescribe them in any binding way.
that's not a personal feeling, it's a philosophical consequence.
you can certainly have metaphysical grounding that isn't theism. but then the burden shifts, what is your grounding and can it actually support the weight of the moral and existential claims you're making?

>>23068120
Eph 4:30
Luke 13:3
Prov 28:13
2Tim 3:1-4
Luke 12:28
Matt 19:18-19
1Tim 1:9-10
Gal 5:19-21 Col 3:5
Mark 7:21-22
Gal 5:19-21
And so on.. good luck and peace be with you.

>>23068124
>if Christianity is just "cope" then why engage its texts as if they matter?
I engage the texts to show that they are cope.
>the verses you quoted don't contradict coherence, they reflect a theological understanding of time patience and divine purpose. you may not accept that, but the internal logic is consistent.
No.
The first verse, which was written in 60ad, says "the end of all things is near" and the other two are cope for why rabbi jewsus had not returned.
How many more weeks until "the end of all things"?
Oh wait, the cope and reinterpretation is already there for you to repeat. lmao

>>23068135
My Master allows Dogscape to exist. She is more lovely and tolerant than you can ever imagine.

It is a nice Dog.

>>23067989 (OP)
Europe is Israel but you guys are fuckin pussies who won't let Jews take the rest for Jesus Christ.

>>23068133
Anyway, white pawn to e4

>>23068134
>but the question isn't whether people feel meaning, it's whether their worldview can justify it.
They live it everyday so to them, it's justified
>>23068134
>if moral values are just emergent preferences or social constructs, then there's no objective reason why one set of values ought to be preferred over another
That's where people who agree on moral.vakues group up and make society around those moral agreements
>>23068134
>those are just personal or cultural opinions
No different than yours
>>23068134
>materialist or naturalist framework admits it has no access to real moral oughts
List objective moral oughts
>>23068134
>you can certainly have metaphysical grounding that isn't theism. but then the burden shifts
No it doesn't. Your position is never considered so nothing to shift from
>>23068134
>what is your grounding and can it actually support the weight of the moral and existential claims you're making?
My family, my health and my livelihood.

How many pictures of me do you have bro?

>>23068140
Flip a coin.

>>23067989 (OP)
Found the FAKE infant penis mutilator.


A certain sect of jewish priests were referred to in one of the jewish prophet books as being red, white, and blue and then becoming black.
This is absolute proof that the penis mutilating schizophrenic rat people who invented most of the things that make judaism abhorrent today are actually the genetic ancestor of both Celtic and Germanic people. This also proves that modern jews are actually a European people who stole infant penis mutilation for the God of Moses from the Celtic and Germanic people (who are actually middle eastern with no ancestry in Europe 3000 years ago).

If someone denies this they must post visage or they prove that they are a jew.
(we wuz jews (middle eastern jews, not fake edomite khazarian neanderthal canaanite pharisee european descended jews))

CHRIST IS KING

People got too fixated on Jesus but there's some logic behind it.
If you actually read the Bible you would see that Bible God scouts out humans and found his favorite ones every now and then. Bible God picked virtuous leaders and gave them divine powers. Accounts of these in the Old Testament might be corrupted somewhat but it's not like going into deeptime and reconstructing things before the flood.
>people with unquestionable moral character get divine powers to lead people and be heroes
>if they fail in their moral character then God abandons them
This shit is fine, let people believe in this. This is straight white person civilization bread and butter. Do good, be good, lead people. Greeks and Romans wouldn't have even whined about Bible God if you explained it like that. Nor the Norse. All their gods followed the same pattern really except they had clear shortcomings now and then, and feuds.
But ever since Jesus came around apparently the virtue you should aspire towards has become unattainable, which doesn't make any fucking sense.
>there are no gods
>there is one God and He is the universe
>there is one God and He's powerful and He has many angels and a Son who is a human as well as being God or Godlike
>there are many gods or godlike people/entities
the Bible is closer to that fourth position but Christians would lie and claim the second

>>23068136
you're mocking the delay in Christ's return as if it disproves Christianity, but that assumes a purely human timeline and expectation.
the verses you quoted already anticipate that objection.
2 Peter 3:8 explicitly reframes time from a divine perspective.
that's not "cope," it's a theological claim about God's nature and patience.
you're free to reject that claim, but calling it "cope" doesn't refute it, it just signals that you don't like it. which is fine, but it's not an argument.

and more importantly, you didn't address the deeper issue.
if Christianity is false, what's your alternative? what worldview do you hold that can account for logic, moral obligation, and existential meaning without collapsing into relativism or nihilism?
you're critiquing Christianity using tools (reason, moral judgment, historical analysis) that only make sense within a framework that presupposes order, value and truth. if your worldveiw is purely materialistic or reductionist, then those tools are just neural firings with no binding significance.

so again, what's your grounding? if you're going to call Christianity "cope," then show us a worldview that doesn't need it, and still makes life coherent.

>>23068032
You're not special, they do it to everyone, you used to do it with them and cheer them on because christians are as hateful of every other religion or tradition as the jews.

>>23068143
>God scouts out humans and found his favorite ones every now and then.
This doesn't make sense. Isn't God omniscient? Wouldn't he already know?

>>23068144
>if Christianity is false, what's your alternative? what worldview do you hold that can account for logic, moral obligation, and existential meaning without collapsing into relativism or nihilism?
Personal responsibility

>>23067989 (OP)
I dont worship anything, if the creator of the universe needs my encouragement he is doing shit wrong and its a bit arrogant from me to expect the creator of the universe be looking out for me personally just because I asked

>>23068144
>you're critiquing Christianity using tools (reason, moral judgment, historical analysis) that only make sense within a framework that presupposes order, value and truth.
what part of this requires absolutely sine qua non the belief that a certain yeshu son of josef was the messiah promised to the jews? why aren't you a muslim? their monotheism is even by far more thorough than christians'

>>23068140
what i'm asking isn't whether you experience meaning, it's whether your worldview can account for it in a way that's philosophically coherent.
you said people group up around shared moral values and build society, sure. but that just describes how moral consensus forms, it doesn't explain why any of those values are binding or ought to be followed. if morality is just a social contract, then it's contingent, not objective.
and if it's contingent, things like justice, human rights, and dignity are only valid because enough people agree, not because they're true.

you asked me to list objective moral oughts, here's one: "it is wrong to rape your mother." if someone disagrees, they're just expressing a different cultural taste? or are they objectively wrong?
if you say they're objectively wrong, then you're appealing to a moral standard that transcends individual or cultural opinion. that's the kind of grounding i'm talking about. if your worldview can't supply that standard then it's borrowing from one that can.

>>23068146
Bible God clearly can only see so far into the future. Actual physics and observation implies a randomness at the most basic level of reality, which can be adjusted or rigged but still reality operates on an unpredictable level. Predicting the future becomes exponentially harder the further out you try to predict.
I'm not taking the mainline Christian point of view and I would insist that God's power is plausibly limited either by its own nature by some convention. Such things would probably be beyond mortal reckoning.

>>23068149
good question.
you're right to press beyond generic theism, because not all monotheisms are created equal. the argument i've been making isn't just for belief in a god, but for the triune God revealed in scripture, and specifically for the coherence of the Christian worldview.

islam, for example, affirms monotheism and moral law, but it ultimately reduces God to pure will and transcendence, which creates philosophical problems. if allah is utterly unknowable and unbound by nature, even logic, then human reason and moral order become arbitrary. you get commands, not coherence. you get submission but not reconciliation.

Christianity by contrast offers a God who is both transcendent and immanent. a God who is personal, relational, and reveals Himself not just through law, but a historically attested incarnation. the moral law isn't just imposed, it's fulfilled. justice and mercy aren't in tension, they're united at the cross.
and yes, that hinges on whether Jesus of Nazareth is the promised messiah, but it's not a blind leap, it's a claim rooted in history, prophecy and resurrection. the coherence of Christianity isn't just philosophical, it's historical. the resurrection is the linchpin. if Christ rose, then Christianity isn't just coherent, it's true.

so i'm not arguing that belief in any god secures meaning. i'm arguing that Christianity uniquely does, because it grounds logic, morality and existential hope in a God who speaks, acts and redeems.

>>23068152
>existential hope in a God who speaks, acts and redeems.
All emotions, you believe because it feels like like the best choice for you