Thread 23069080

What if you die and there's nothing? I guess you won't care because you won't be alive.

But what if you die and there is something?

>>23069080 (OP)
There was nothing before you were born there's nothing after you are dead because you don't have brain

>>23069080 (OP)
What if that some is eternity with your gay ass?

>>23069081
A consciousness is different than a brain. We perceive a material reality with a limited ruleset, but you have no idea about the dimensions that you cannot currently perceive. Maybe take some shrooms and you'll get it busta.

>>23069080 (OP)
What if im a purple dinosaur?

>>23069080 (OP)
It would probably be like how our dreams work so that would be cool

There's always something in nothing

>>23069080 (OP)
Even if there is something the chances that a bunch of Sand Niggers and Jews thousands of years ago figured out what that something is next to impossible. Just live your life, try to be a good person not because you fear punishment or want to be rewarded. That isn't goodness, that is subjection. What happens when we die is out of our control.

>>23069081
No one knows for sure, there is no such thing as nothing there is always something. Matter is never created or destroyed. Even the blackness of zoid zones have elementary particles in them we just perceive it as nothing because that's all our eyes and mind can comprehend without the aid of devices.

>>23069085
But what if the dream becomes nightmare.

>>23069086
That's a silly contradictory statement. If you have "some thing" then you don't have "no thing".

>>23069080 (OP)
Nothing isn't really even a thing is it?
you need an observer or consciousness to verify that nothing can exist. It's a paradox.
If nothing were even a case, or a state, well that means something can't come from nothing.
But, we're here.

>>23069089
You are the master of your own mind so you could make the nightmare into a paradise.

>>23069090
Maybe... Maybe not

Ofcourse there is something death is just a concept of end of whole, but we don't even percieve all, so who says you even doez as on our terms of whatever it is. Death has a lot of broad possible implications

>>23069081
Lmao atheists actually believe this.

>>23069080 (OP)
>>>/x/

>>23069091
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>>23069081

Retards are completely overthinking it. You're just unconscious except you don't ever wake up. If you've ever been under aneastesia it would literally be that. Fall asleep one moment and wake up the next only 4 hours have past but to you no time has past because you weren't conscious to experience it. The only difference in death is that you don't wake up.

>>23069083
bro I fucking love doing shrooms but you're a straight up retard if you think you are perceiving higher dimensions. youve altered your perceptions of this dimension using a psychoactive drug, dont be stupid

>>23069099
No one knows that for sure

>>23069080 (OP)
>But what if you die and there is something?
start running like this

>>23069102
Kek

>>23069080 (OP)
Here's some data from psychic remote viewers that points to humans being harvested for their energy and being kept from leaving earth after they die. The energy is used to create pockets of reality where time doesn't exist, which allows beings that live in these pockets to become like gods that don't die
The target for this was "moksha" which is liberation from the reincarnation cycle (Keep in mind none of the remote viewers are told anything about what they're viewing, all they are given is a randomly generated number that has been assigned to the target to allow them to view it without knowing what it is, yet they are still somehow able to describe aspects of the target despite having no foreknowledge of it):
https://odysee.com/@SergeantSchultz:2/Samsara-and-Rebirth:b

>>23069101
Pick up a skull from 2000 years ago. This person is unconcious but the mechanism that gave them conciousness, the brain is completely gone. Will that skull eventually think again? No it won't. You have to come up with some unprovable magical third location for them to be to make it work.

>>23069104
Here's what Edward Riordan remote viewed about the vax clots 2+ years before covid happened for those doubting the legitimacy of remote viewing
https://youtu.be/E930RNiCUOM

This is what he got in the remote viewing data:
>strong sensation of the thing hes viewing being manmade
>virus
>flowing through blood
>growing and expanding
>inside
>DNA
>gives off some sort of signal, communicates somehow, wifi
>cracking, busting open
>feeling of fear, concern, doesn't feel good
>transformation
>sun/solar was something he felt a lot, mentioned solar explosion (solar flare or CME?)
>sea life/aquatic
>combined technology with plant cells/matter
>study of algae blooms
>has an effect on the human body
>received signal has an effect on the body

The remote viewing findings of the clots interacting with wifi signals lines up with the findings in the video below where it was discovered that people who have been vaccinated give off bluetooth signals. The people running the tests went to a graveyard with no one else in it, and they picked up on multiple bluetooth signals which lead them to graves of people who died after 2020. So for people saying that these clots already existed prior to 2017 and the viewer made up his findings based off of that, you're incorrect as the clots you speak of didn't give off bluetooth/wifi signals like the remote viewer percieved
https://www.bitchute.com/video/g5VMGP6j60Rd/

>>23069100
I'm using it as an example of an extrasensory experience. Besides that, you don't fucking know what your talking about. Can you disprove someone on shooms has entered a metaphysical trance? If not, then stfu

>>23069107
>proving a negative

Prove I'm not holding my dick in my hands right now anon. You can't so you can't say for certain that I'm holding my dick in my hands right now.

>>23069097
he didn't phrase it well. Before you were born you perceived nothing and when you die you will perceive nothing.
obviously there will be something both before and after your existence.

>>23069105
We don't know for sure where consciousness comes from the brain is just a storage device for it, consciousness has to come from somewhere it can't come from nothing because nothing doesn't exist. Humans can't even conceive the concept of nothing because it doesn't exist nothing doesn't exist. There is always something.

>>23069099
how tf are you going to lump me in with that mass reply, and then give an answer that is just as retarded.

The only difference in death is that you don’t wake up” completely misses the bigger picture. That analogy only works if you assume there is a subject left to not wake up. But death isn’t like anesthesia or sleep those are reversible, temporary states with a continuity of self before and after.

Death, from our standpoint, is unobservable. At that moment, there's no time, no awareness, no frame of reference which implies a state of complete nothingness. But here’s the paradox. We are here. Consciousness exists. That means either true nothingness is impossible, or something about death or reality itself isn’t as final or empty as that take assumes.

>>23069083
Shrooms give you a doctored perception of reality attuned to suit what worldview the demonic desires you to have so that you remain under deception. I did a good bit of psychadelics yet remained an atheist because that's where they wanted me. Thankfully I sought, and thus found the truth in Jesus Christ.

>>23069106
During a near death experience a man realizes that he's being deceived by beings to try and go into the light and then he hears a voice far away that whispered, "he's figuring it out". The beings then try to convince the man to reincarnate with promises of moving him to a better planet
(Communcation in the astral realm is telepathic and you can understand others even if they don't speak english)
https://rumble.com/v3ou3jp-he-figured-it-out-during-an-nde-he-resisted-the-false-light-and-was-sent-to.html

The story of a boy who remembered a past life as an American fighter pilot that died in WW2
https://youtu.be/VnXxC-nVsJY

A presentation from the University of Virginia on life after death, reincarnation, NDE's, and past life memories
https://youtu.be/gN_VI-wobsc
https://youtu.be/0AtTM9hgCDw

Experiences of an astral projector and how to navigate the astral plane and escape from negative entities, talks about what to do after dying
https://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Journal-of-an-Astral-Traveler-How-to-Navigate-the-Astral-Plane.html

Some good reading material on the reincarnation trap
https://bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy601.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20200702092202/http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/ET/afterlifequestioned.html

A NDE case where the person described the afterlife as feeling more real than our current reality, a common theme among NDEs, pic related
https://web.archive.org/web/20181030225709/http://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1justin_m_nde_7131.html

>>23069107
you're dumb hahahahaha

>>23069108
that argument works both ways. so it comes down to personal experience on shrooms or other perception alerting substances.

>>23069113
Heres some evidence of people being able to teleport using their thoughts after they die, something that can also be done while astral projecting. This may be how to escape after death by thinking something like, "I want to teleport to a safe civilization" or "I want to teleport back to where I originally came from"
If that doesn't work you could try to manifest a portal that will take you to where you want to go when you enter it
>Stevenson finds two types of cases where selection seems determined by geographical proximity: people reborn far from where they had lived, but close to where they died; and people reborn after one parent, usually the mother, came close to where the previous incarnation died.
>In the first category falls cases of Japanese soldiers who died in Myanmar during Japan’s World War II occupation of that country, then were reborn there. As reborn children, they tended to speak an incomprehensible language prior to learning their mother tongue, to prefer Japanese-style food over Myanmarese, to be afflicted by the heat, to yearn for all things Japanese, and even to look more Japanese than other Myanmarese children. In at least one case, a pair of brothers serving as Japanese soldiers were killed together and attempted to return home:
>They thought that they had been killed by the explosion of their own grenades. When this happened, they thought of their aged mother in Japan and even called for her help as they were dying. They then – after dying – found themselves instantly in Japan, where they saw their mother. They could not, however, communicate with her, and she did not see them. They felt sad and frustrated. They did not remember what happened to them after that until, at the age of about 3, they began to remember the previous lives ‘as if they were awakened from a dream."
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/choice-reincarnation#Geographical_Proximity

If God is real I'll tell him to go fuck himself for giving me this miserable life
And he'll probably punish me harder like a vindicative, feminine little bitch

>>23069084
Barny??

>>23069112
You can take shrooms as a Christian you know. It doesn't have to be an invasive demonic hedonistic experience only. What do you think shamans were doing?

>>23069117
if there is an afterlife one can only hope there is some form of suicide too.

>>23069080 (OP)
>But what if you die and there is something?
It would be incredibly gay and retarded. I would cringe all eternity in jewish fairy tale heaven.

>>23069108
Schrodinger's gooner dick.
Without knowledge the epistemic interpretation of quantum mechanics suggests that your dick exists in a super position where it is both in your hand and not in your hand at the same time.

>>23069080 (OP)
Of course there’s something. Atheists are indistinguishable from Satanists because in the highest reality everything is spiritual and there is only God. Puberty blockers, castration, homosexuality, and abortion are all unironic satanic rituals.

>>23069121
>tell me you're bad at tests without telling me you're bad at tests.

Depends on the complexity and weight of your soul. Either nothing will happen, or you will be tortured, flayed and slowly consumed by demons in the warp for all of eternity.

>>23069081
ridiculous. You can demonstrate neither that the brain is, or alone creates, consciousness, nor the absurd notion that you don't even exist before you're out of the womb. Furthermore, temporal finitude doesn't logically follow from a beginning in time.

>>23069080 (OP)
You go to the underworld Kurr, and take on a transmigration of the soul by being in a mundane after-existence for a while.

>>23069111
What a load of shit. Kamala is that you?

>>23069080 (OP)
What's taking so long?

>>23069081
GGs

>>23069099
Then you die everyday and right now you are nothing but a temporary self that will die as soon as you fall sleep and lose consciousness.

>>23069081
The pre birth void ended retard

>>23069080 (OP)
Everyone will soon enter my domain for eternity. Your agony and fear will nourish me and you will wish that Jesus was real.

>>23069123
>makes claim
>doesn't back it up
>insults everyone else
gj

>>23069123
then you will be free.

>>23069128
>What a load of shit. Kamala is that you?
People throw out answers that attempt to solve paradoxes. Saying things like "I know what happens because durr anaesthesia" completely ignores the paradox at a far more fundamental level. No one can prove Nothingness exists, that's the first paradox. Try it. You can't because you need an observer or measurement to "prove it".

>>23069136
actual nothingness and your lack of existence are not the same thing. you don't die and go somewhere where nothing exists.
your paradox is true but not applicable.

>>23069119
talking to demons

>>23069107It Being able to experience the physical is like tautologically a metaphysical problem. But shrooms cause circuits in your brain to send signals and communicate with other regions of your brain that they usually don't. The Default Mode Network specifically fires in a different way from normal. Having access to variables that your consciousness doesn't normally have access to can also, in math terms, be literally known as expanding the dimensions your brain operates in. That's a "naturalist" interpretation for you.

>>23069080 (OP)
What if, what if, what if?
What if this universe is all there is?
What if time is cyclical and repeats itself?
What if black holes contain their own universes?
What if we're in a simulation?
What if this universe is just an ornament in some hyperdimensional being's living room?
What if God made it all?
What if it was all a dream?
What if none of it even matters?
All we know for sure is that I'm here right now.
I think.

>>23069125
If Corvus comes back I might actually pay money for an audiobook.

>>23069138
Most of them. A few knew better.

>>23069137
>your paradox is true but not applicable.
you'd have to clarify what's not applicable. You basically agreed with me.

>>23069143
you're assuming an existence to make observations with. there is no you and the nothingness people are referring to is that you aren't there to perceive anything that does exist so it's nothing. not even you lamenting there is nothing.

>>23070389
bumped the moloch frog award