Thread 23092157

>here's the entire bulk of the atheist "arguments" bro
Do they not just become ashamed of these at some point and come to realize how misguided every single one of these are?

Even when you take the time to explain each and every single one of them along with answer any extra questions they have that they try to hook you into a "gotcha" moment through, they still won't admit to being wrong and would rather just double down and fume out their mouth like manchildren that you are wrong and they are right and nothing will change at cause you are stupid and they're smart.
How's this sort of thing even supposed to work for them long term?

Eventually people will come to notice the Christian man who actually takes the time to explain everything is more in the right than the oversized toddler who stomps his feet while mocking and demanding things.

>>23092157 (OP)

>>>/x/

>>23092157 (OP)
The world is artifical reality trash, why.

Address this issue as it's glaringly relevant and if unaddressed the context of what's here is irrelevant.

And the question is not "is it fake" if you're not fucking blind this isn't required. The real question is why is this? Not is it? It certainly is.

>>23092157 (OP)
Very cool. I still lack belief in God or gods

>>23092157 (OP)
Atheists don't have souls. Just like jews don't have heart chakras and niggers don't have frontal lobes.

>>23092157 (OP)
I am not really a fedora tipper but the anti fedora tippers are much more embarrassing these days
Pretty much all the memes they make to make fedora tippers sound stupid also come back around and make them seem stupid
They try to find "proof" of their religion and engage with atheists on their level not realizing it makes them look just as retarded

1pbtid

>>23092157 (OP)
All debates about God's existence could be simplified into a Flow Chart. Or you could just argue with Chat GPT. Just tell it to fill the role of the atheist. It will, without emotion, explain the other side. And this way, since you aren't directly talking to another person, your feelings won't get hurt, so you won't feel the need to lash out childishly.

>>23092157 (OP)
>a bunch of strawmen and misrepresentations
If god is real, why doesn't he rebuke you for your dishonesty?

>>23092166
The god of this world rewards dishonesty. He is the father of lies.

>>23092158
Tranny image
God is good
Amen

>>23092157 (OP)
Yes. And you cannot refute a single one of them, Christcuck.

>>23092168
>[plugs fingers in ears] Lalalalalalala!

>>23092170
lmao seethe tranny

>>23092162
Is that why Christians rape kids?

>>23092168
>muh trannies
Get a grip.

>>23092172
>no you
every single time

>>23092174
Can you prove souls exist?

Yo, hey guys, real quick anyone who wants to invoke the existence of god as evidenced by things existing. What created your god?

You won’t believe that the universe has existed forever, but you will believe that your god, an infinitely more complex being, has existed forever?

Smells like a big pile of fallacy to me. Please, exercise your arguments to its conclusion. When you do so, you will find that god existing is less logical than god not existing.

Here’s the cool thing, though: I actually don’t care that you believe in god. Go ahead, nobody’s stopping you. I WILL tell off you god botherers who think atheists existing is awful and the devil, though.

Forcing your religious beliefs on another would be quite frowned upon by your magic sky daddy, no? It amuses me to no end that you people genuinely cannot understand that some people don’t believe in your fairy tales.

>>23092157 (OP)
christians argue like flat earthers do

>>23092157 (OP)
>Even when you take the time to explain each and every single one of them along with answer any extra questions they have that they try to hook you into a "gotcha" moment
You have to accept that your pilpul won't convince everyone to join your favorite second temple sect.

>>23092157 (OP)
>appeal to science
Only rules out unscientific theologies, not God
>the Abrahamic god is a genocidal jew
True but doesn't disprove any god's existence
>traumatized by a Christian upbringing
American problem, and doesn't disprove God
>don't need a god to know murder is bad
True; faith in God just roots this position in something deeper than the here and now
>certain Bible verses are evil
True but doesn't disprove even the Bible
>if God then why no gf
Nobody says this
>Bible verses contradict
Only invalidates the Bible, not God
>sky daddy
Ridicule doesn't disprove anything

>>23092175
Not to a hylic

>>23092180
>If I make my god concept vague enough, it can't be disproven.

>>23092162
>Atheists don't have souls
Gods, not souls. Atheists don't have Gods.

>>23092157 (OP)
the best argument: time

nothing predicted/prophesized in any religious scripture (Christian or not) has ever come true in thousands of years

there are no new religions being founded (very odd, considering there were tons in the past), there are no miracles, and there are no new "prophets".

>>23092181
I'm a hylic, eh? Lol, that's nice. What's the matter, the npc meme get played out?
>You just can't understand, bro
k

>>23092184

Eh, unless you count things like the cult of Mormonism. But yes, religions do seem strangely not founded recently in general.

>>23092183
They don't have eternal souls. Ask one. They are npcs. The "we is gods" ones are called satanists.

>>23092158
>inb4 god doesn't do paradoxe
>>Logic created by god and beautiful when convenient
>>Logic is fundamental and limits god ontologically when it's inconvenient

>>23092185
>I'm a hylic,
When someone tells you something. Believe them. Don't worry anon, many npcs have kickass lives

>>23092157 (OP)
How about this argument.

Your religion is clearly fiction and only a retard would continue to believe such nonsense. Also, atheists and theists are almost the same. You don't believe in thousands of gods, we just reject one more god.

>>23092189
When you resort to insults, it proves you have nothing.

>>23092187

Literally, no. There are two types of people:
Those who force their views on others
Those who do not do that
There are theists and atheists that do that, in equal numbers. You are one of the theists who do that.

The only reason there’s arguments at all is because the theists that do that call atheists in general wrong are problematic. That’s forcing your beliefs on all atheists, regardless if they’re doing the same. Imagine if an atheist called all Christians the devil and stupid and soulless. That would suck, huh? So stop doing the same to us, and let’s agree to disagree.

>>23092181
woah buddy you're not a Gnostic now are you? people like that get burned at the stake.

>>23092182
I derive my conception of God by what people intuitively mean when they say "Oh my God" and "Thank God" and the like, something that even most supposed atheists do. It's what the consensus of Humanity actually understands the word to mean in the moments that they're not censoring and distorting their own beliefs with internalized dogma. God, as intuitively understood, isn't any particular Deity (not Jesus, not Jewhovah, not Jupiter or what have you), it's Divinity. And empirically it's quite evident that Divinity permeates everything and animates the cosmos.

>>23092190
>we just reject the good, the beautiful and the true
Kosher atheism is very compatible with satanism.

>>23092194
So I was right.

>>23092157 (OP)
at least they have arguments

believers only have made up shit that is disguised as arguments. You can't have strict logic if all you do is try to weave made up shit from an old book into somewhat sensible picture of reality

Atheist asks: "how do i explain the world, and do i need a god for it?"
Believer asks: "how do i explain everything with god?"

>>23092196
No.

>>23092195
>my religion is good, beautiful, and true. Why? Because I say so.

>>23092157 (OP)
I just don't believe, that's it. Why can I do, go there and pretend? At worst I'm lying to God. All my friends are from some religion and I'm fine with, never befriended another atheist since they are worse than those people who cannot stop preaching all day and putting Jesus in every sentence.

Also Christ is a pretty good guy, it's just that he got a shitty fanbase.

>>23092198
Ok, do you have any proof of your god?

>>23092191
>>23092192
I'm not being mean or prescriptive; it's okay to acknowledge our differences. You okes are YOLO, and that's cool.
>>23092193
Hush, hush, not all esoteric christians are cathars and bogomils

>>23092168
Omnibenevolence confirmed as a satanic lie.

Christianity and atheism are both wrong and retarded.

>>23092157 (OP)
Burden of proof is on christcucks. They haven't produced a single one yet.

>>23092199
Those who don't have aesthetic sensitivity think beauty is made up. That is not what the eye of the beholder means. I cannot explain it to one who doesn't get it

Attention all people saying atheism is satanism:

No

Satan is a supernatural entity. To worship him is to worship a deity, which is by definition not atheism. Arguably, by that logic, believing a god is closer to satanism than atheism is.

Cry about it.

>>23092200
>meant "what can I do?"
Anyway, here in Brazil we have a shitton of false christians that not only use their "faith" as a mask for every shit they do but also as some kind of moral authority to judge everyone. It's hard to become religious when you see that most people that go to church every sunday is a piece of shit. However, after you grow up you meet people that show respect and restraint, they are also disgusted by those "faithful" people that cannot stop using Jesus in vain. Maybe if I was raised in a better enviroment when it comes to religion my opinion would have been different, but as it is now, I'm fine being atheist.

>>23092200
Perhaps you would prefer a saviour of a darker hue

>>23092157 (OP)
the concept of a god is unfalsifiable nonsense and faith in anything is anathema to critical thought and reasoning rooted in evidence and the material world we share

abolish faith in all its forms, starting with right-wing "politics" (tribal cult behavior citing biases under the labels of "tradition" and "common sense")

>>23092188
>picture of beautiful bird/nature/natural phenomenon
OMG ALLAH/GOD IS GREAT
>picture of kid with cancer/insanely cruel illness
G/allah loves that child, look how kind it is :)
>natural disaster happens
May god/allah help these people :(( we should praise him more

Never stops being funny

>>23092201
Like I said, it's empirical. You can see, hear, and feel God in absolutely everything that you see, hear, and feel. If you can't sense God, you lack a certain consciousness. No worries, I didn't use to have it either until I realized what "God" actually meant and tuned into it. Wrap your head around spacetime and hone into the underlying forces and energies that animate everything. If you know about the "wave-particle duality", you can understand God as being the wave of all waves.

>>23092195
>Kosher atheism
Let's hear this strawman

>>23092206
That's not even an argument. You're just shutting down the discussion.

>bizarre adventures of a magic jew book said so, means it true
imagine believing what a jew said. ngmi

>>512794849
>...

>>23092212
>until I realized what "God" actually meant
And? What does "God" "actually mean"?

>>23092212
>just believe, bro. I see god everywhere, it's totally not all in my head.

>>23092213
Kosher atheism is the atheism focussed on not believing in Jesus as opposed to atheisms that give equal time to not believing in Lucifer and Kali;

>>23092158
>god is allpowerful and all knowing
>god is bound by human understanding
>muh all powerful +1 all knowing human +1 logic is superior to god
>A-herp A-derp A-DURRRRRRRR!

>>23092209
Honestly as much as I respect Christ the idea of a saviour or messiah looks pretty bad to me. People shouldn't expect things to get better, they must work their way out, putting all their hopes in one person is even worse, it's just asking to be abused.

>>23092212

Wow, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s clear you’ve fallen for Deepok. Lemme break down why that statement is literally nothing:

>see, hear, and feel god
What does gos look, feel, and sound like? Silence? If this was real it could be studied rigorously.

>you lack a certain consciousness
False. Consciousness is a binary state; you are conscious, or you are not. Every human being is a conscious entity already, so this is meaningless.

>God actually meant and tuned into it
Meaningless. God means “a deity” and nothing more. Tuning into the definition of a word for sure is meaningless.

>Wrap your head around spacetime
Impossible. Space time is a fundamental quality imbuing the universe with physical quantities. You can’t wrap your head around something the head is made of.

>Hone into the underlying… that animate everything
Meaningless. The only force that can be fundamentally perceived by humans is electromagnetism- even gravity we technically cannot feel.

>Wave-particle duality… wave of all waves
Bullshit. Fundamental particles exhibit wave-particle duality, so this would mean that your god is an electron or whatever. Also, wave of waves is definitely not what that means.

In conclusion: this is throwing alphabet soup at a wall and saying that it’s a proof of god. Please get off the shrooms.

>>23092218
Your eye is a bit of your brain sticking out, so what you can see is partly in your head. This is eye of behodler

If god is good why did he call for the Genocide of the Amalekites, including the livestock, women, and children.

>>23092221
Things are pretty grim, but it helps to have some kinda hope. We are in the phase of the game where only heaven can help us. In my own life, an intolerable situation just got a huge boost of hope when Trump offered to save us. Many people in this country think it's a trap. Ultimately the question is: do you believe in a friendly universe? (fuck the archons and their demiurge)

>>23092222
>Consciousness is a binary state; you are conscious, or you are not.
Is nigger conscious or not?

>>23092226

This is so fucking funny to me.

No shot you say “trump will save us” and then talk like a racist asshole in the next breath. Thank you for providing the single best tidy little screenshot to use when people say trump supporters are rational people.

>>23092217
Already told you. Don't be obtuse.
>>23092218
>>23092222
Small minds. I recommend you go to Peru and take Ayahuasca.

>>23092228

Holy shit. No way did you just spew a bunch of bullshit about quantum mechanics, then someone who DOES QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR A LIVING (me) tells you you’re wrong. And then you have the BALLS to say I have a small mind. Please reconsider your life choices.

Also, didn’t even attempt to respond back, just insulted lmao. Troll.

>>23092229
>Holy shit. No way did you just spew a bunch of bullshit about quantum mechanics, then someone who DOES QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR A LIVING (me) tells you you’re wrong. And then you have the BALLS to say I have a small mind.

>>23092229

Well, enjoy the eternal shame you’re going to get from people who know what the fuck they’re talking about. Unless you crack open a book and learn what your own words mean, you’ll get ridicule until the end of time. You’re only hurting yourself by being stupid, buddy.

>>23092231
Appropriate response for the post you quoted.

Atheism is largely dead online, now we have something much, much worse. Im not sure what exactly to call them but holy shit they're like fucking clones.
>internet "educator"
>randomly brings up social issues like civil rights and healthcare while talking about other topics
>physically incapable of comprehending world views besides his own
>compulsively ridicules Christianity along wuth any other form of religion or spirituality (that doesn't belong to a relevant minority group).
>is terminally online but has no idea how the internet actually works
>is absolutely terrified of people who think differently from him, and believes people saying things he disagrees with on the internet is the greatest threat to mankind
>says words like "algorithm" and "pipeline" a lot
>"When I was a teenager youtube almost made me a NAZI!!!!! And thats how I know anyone who thinks or acts outside of what I consider to be acceptable is also a NAZI and needs to be killed!!!!"

>>23092158
Beautiful, simple, elegant and best of all -
Literally never debunked.
Thanks anon, saved for later

>>23092233
Im hope you brought enough examples to share with the rest of the class.

>>23092223
Nope, sorry, those things aren't comparable. Your brain interpreting signals from your eye isn't the same as imagination.

>>23092228
>you have to be on drugs for my beliefs to make sense.
Lel

>>23092237
>>you need glasses to see clearly
Well if your eyes are shit then you probably do.

>>23092236
>Your brain interpreting signals from your eye
See, you are an automaton. Your experiences of experience are not the same as ours. I can't explain it to you anymore than I could explain green to a colorblind orc

>>23092219
Belief in Jesus is what is kosher. Jew worship is how the Jews maintain control of their goyim slaves.

>>23092219
Doesn't make any sense. I don't believe in any of them equally

>>23092228
>Already told you. Don't be obtuse
Not really. Just. A bunch of personal feelings

>>23092240
>I'm magically different from you.
Can you prove it?
>No because you aren't magical.
Lol. You don't have some magical knowledge I don't. You have a belief that gives you an inflated sense of worth. If you had special knowledge, you'd be able to demonstrate it.
>But I can't because you aren't magic!
Cop out.

>>23092241
>don't believe in Jesus
That's what the jews tell you to do

>>23092157 (OP)
Answer pic related or die
>>23092158
Fippy

>>23092243
You'd be wise not to mistake epistemological humility for "personal feelings". The smarter atheists all became agnostics for a reason.

>>23092219
Most atheists in the west are exchristian.
Christianity is the religion most westerners are familiar with.
People focus on things they know and are familiar with.

>>23092157 (OP)
We don't require any arguments at all. YOU require evidence for your favourite magic invisible floating faggot in the sky. And we're still waiting.

>>23092244
You say you don't have an immortal soul and I believe you. You must know your experience better than I do. When I tell you I have an immortal soul, that is no cause for envy or petulance. You are free to not believe me, but that makes you less an atheist and more a solipsist

>>23092158
This ends the christfag.

>>23092249
God is a pork meatball?

>>23092250
>I have a soul.
Can you prove it?
>I can't because you aren't magical.
Cop out.

>>23092157 (OP)
Religion is just an atheists particular flavor of unbelief.

>>23092157 (OP)
My argument: christianity is a foreign kike religion
death to all non-europeans

>>23092157 (OP)
>if god real why no gf?
Actually a very strong argument.

>>23092247
>The smarter atheists all became agnostics for a reason.
Agnostic atheist

>>23092168
Nice try, Satan.

>>23092253
I know you are a soulless npc
>Can you prove it?
To whom? Myself?, a friend? An argumentative boorish hylic?

>>23092256
Tfw god wants you to be fruitful but doesn't provide foxgirls to mate with.

>>23092255
>The religion jews hate is akshually jewish
I can't work out whose jewing who anymore with the rate at which you jews play yourselves

>>23092259
So you can't. Ok then, I don't believe you.

>>23092235
>>23092238
https://youtu.be/Pc2psN0PFTk?si=YIcIDohFLP5gYu0o
https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?si=kjN_gXD5cr6iuADw
https://m.youtube.com/@InnuendoStudios
https://m.youtube.com/@AdamSomething

>>23092253
I’ll bite.
It’s called your inner monologue and yes, everyone has one but normies are retarded and think it’s a literal disembodied voice rather than a mute aspect of audio as you read. This is essentially what Decarte was trying to prove.

The soul is stacked on top of the body dimensionally. I say this confidently because being made in the image of God means you have 3 aspects dimensionally stacked on top of one another.

I know SHEER LUNACY. Crazy man le joe Rogan quote. Imagine applying rational thought or logic and actually GIVING the book the benefit of the doubt. WHY DON’T I J U S T pretend the conversation is a hypothetical in which I have to prove to you God exists in order for him to exist. Whereas the truth doesn’t work that way, now does it?

Of course the interactions on this board are never about the truth. It’s just atheists baiting believers into providing evidence that they can repetitively attack with humorous levels of skepticism to try and erode their beliefs.

This never had anything to do with evidence. Need I bring up that if it were true what you believed, then exactly how can there be theists? Clearly we’re not robots, and knowing the truth has little to do with actually believing it, doesn’t it?

Nothing more than a bunch of red herring, blame shifting and begging the question on part of the atheist. Oh and the best for last

>double negatives
Oh that’s just fucking cute.

>>23092260
>god wants you to be fruitful
Proofs? We haven't just stepped off the arc. It's mostly masons and other handmaidens of the demiurge pushing that

>>23092263
Lol wtf is this shit? Has nothing to do with religion or atheism.

>>512684913

>>512684958

Still unrefuted similar to Epicuran's paradox, take yer swing

>>23092257
Agnostic nonetheless. It's one thing not to assume the existence of something you've never experienced (a rational decision), it's another to categorically refuse suggestions that said something could exist anyway (willful ignorance). Blindness doesn't rule out the existence of light.

>>23092264
All those words, and you've said nothing.

>>23092261
That actually makes perfect sense if you understand how jews work. As a rule, jews hate jews that aren't Their kind of jewish. They just hate gentiles even more.

>>23092269
>it's another to categorically refuse suggestions that said something could exist anyway (willful ignorance)
Which is gnostic atheism

>>23092252
That claim is just as valid as any other claim ever made by any godtard, because it comes with exactly the same amount of supporting evidence.

>>23092261
Jij vereert alsnog een jood driekus
het Nederduitse in de Nederduits-hervormde kerk is belangrijker dan het kerk-gedeelte, je deelt een gemeenschap met iedere nederlander, maar niet met iedere 'christen'

>>23092220
>he's just not bound by human logic!
>he's not bound by human logic.
>he's. not. bound. by. human. logic.
>why? because-- b-because-- it's-- you-- B-B-B-BECAUSE HE JUST ISN'T OK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!??!?!?
>THERE HAS TO BE EVIL AND GENOCIDE AND RAPE AND SUFFERING OK?!?!?!? NO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ASK WHY, STOP THINKING, JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP QUESTIONING IT!!!!! OK???? OR YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!!!! OKAY?????!!!!!?1?

>>23092262
If I were to tell you that I can imagine an apple you would not believe me. Other men who can imagine apples would believe me. I have little interest in those who cannot imagine apples other than keeping an eye on them lest they stab me

>>23092162
This. Atheists are so disconnected from the supreme consciousness that they’re basically wild animals at this point.

>>23092270
Now tell me how that’s different from what you were saying, then maybe you’ll read it rather than being passive aggressive.

>>23092157 (OP)
As if we needed ANY arguments. We just ask for evidence and there is none.

>>23092274
SPEAK ENGLISH CUNT! THE INTERNET IS AUSTRALIAN!!

>>23092281
>nieuw-holland
>spreekt geen hollands
zet je wel aan het denken

>>23092278
>the supreme consciousness
What is that exactly?

>>23092278
>the supreme consciousness
Derp

>>23092282
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH REEEEEEEEEEE

>>23092158
> Evil exists
No. End of story.

>>23092158
This is why polytheism of good vs evil made more sense to the logic of good god vs evil god/creature

>>23092211
How about you genetic mutant freaks shouldn't be fucking, did you think that was God's message all along in letting these abominations be born only with the help of modern science (and would have died in natural childbirth, be dashed against the rocks if said abomination was born just 100 years ago before Barnum and Bailey's freak show)?

Maybe bad things happen because of our fucked up free will to go against nature and they are warnings to be heeded - don't be a kike and jew people out of life boats on the Titanic; take better care of buildings instead of letting lightning burn down a church killing everyone inside?

Maybe you posted on 4chan to let everyone know what a windowlicking retard looks like?

>>23092288
>genetic abominations only started happening 50 years ago
Lmfao

>>23092285
Neem je pillen maat, alles zal goed komen.

>>23092277
No, I would believe you because imagination had been demonstrated to exist. False comparison. Can you demonstrate that your soul is more than something you imagine? If not, I don't believe you.

>>23092284
Wait until you find out you chose to have your memory wiped clean and live the life you’re currently living. The ontological shock will be epic.

>>23092279
>no u
Lol

>>23092291
How can you prove imagination exists?

The philosophical attributes of God in theology are ever-presense, all-powerful and all-knowing. Gravity fits all these conditions see me post above.

>>23092282
Der flerven smurven haburven snirven bork bork bork!

>>23092168
>>23092173
Big think.

>>23092296
Als je nu jouw wijsheid zou verduizendvoudigen zou je alsnog niks overhouden. Merkwaardig, is het niet?

>>23092294
Several ways. One is on a lot of IQ tests: give someone a 3d shape, then have them picture it unfolded into a 2d shape, then choose a multiple choice answer.

>>23092298
Sleebin fleeb hact jugeternflueng.

>>23092292
>you were tricked by archons to live the life you’re currently living
We all know not to go towards the light now. Our hearts are light as a feather. It's so over for the demiurge. Enjoy loosh farming a world full of jews niggers and women

>>23092297
Now we just need an 888.

Lol
Jannied.com

>>23092158
god is beyond good and evil

>>23093206
i didn't write this
just sotpign burtinb auiotn a;eruv we;foh

Anon's Paradox.
1. God exists
2. God doesn't exist because God is Gravity.
(Extra arguments above and linked in previous thread)

>>23092158
fpbp
redeemed faggot btfo'd