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Nothing Christian, Muslim or Jewish exists older than 1000AD.

Post your best artifacts and watch me debunk them! :) I've done this before and never lost.

To save some humiliation, lets lay down some ground rules and guidelines.

"dated paleographically" means someone DID do Hard Science(HS) dating of the materials and results, to put it mildly, didn't match, so the Curators have decided to keep results secret and not allow any more testing, due to projected loss in Tourist Revenue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrolls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Blessing

WTF does the artifact actually mean or say. My "paleo-Hebrew"(AKA not "Hebrew") and ancient Greek is a bit rusty, so we'll have to rely on other's translations. My Latin is a LITTLE better.

Very generic "yeah, you guys are blessed if you pray" type stuff that generically seems to exist in any and all cultures, alone without context, isn't really proof of an otherwise very specific and INTOLERANT(of other competing dogma) religion.

Even if (and its a big if) something, without other context, translates to "Israel", some other societies mere name of a region doesn't mean the society NOW using that name existed in any way. Location names seem to stick around. Witness the many feather Indian names of American States, rivers, etc.

>>23102350 (OP)
based op and based image

>>23102350 (OP)
I wish I could be an ancient Egyptian goddesses breeding slave, hrngh

https://futurism.com/shroud-of-turin-3d-body?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

"New Paper Finds Something Very Weird About the Shroud of Turin

"Significantly distorted."

/ Hard Science/ 3 D Modeling/ Jesus Christ/ Religion"

Meh, my take is unlike the many religions that actually existed, there is about zero that context of any provenance or chain of custody.

Question about this X-ray dating of linen. Does it work dating linen that has been kept in different environments? https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/2/4/171

Here is a nice collection of claimed pre-1000AD depictions of Jesus doing various things mentioned in the Bible. But they are all presented singly without context and all I'm seeing is random guys doing random domestic tasks, sometimes with other random figures. I'd take note if anyone could produce an intact SEQUENCE of such pictures that at least match the SEQUENCE of events in the Bible. Anyone got a isolated pic of 2nd to last where a guy who appears to be a Roman soldier with a Roman vexillum standard. What does the open book say?

AI Overview

The phrase "ego sum via, veri taset vita" is not grammatically correct Latin. The correct phrase, meaning "I am the way, the truth, and the life," is "ego sum via, veritas et vita". "Ego sum" translates to "I am," "via" means "the way," "veritas" means "the truth," and "vita" means "the life". The phrase is a quote from the Vulgate version of John 14:6

It says "I am the way, true life is silent", and no one ever accused Jesus, or any other Jew, of being silent. lol. But I guess "I am the way, true life is silent" could fit for a Roman vexillum who'd just dispatched a couple of dangerous ambush predatory vermin, from a couple of angles.

I think AI is lying. Trying to force feed us the basic bitch version. https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-dictionary-flexion.php?lemma=TACEO100

Tacet is 3rd person single of verb "to be silent".

>>23102352
burka is NOT trad Arab dress

its literally post-Holohoax

>>23102354
Same in Malaysia. The burqa didn't exist until the Saudis started financing Salafi islam there in the 80s onwards. Now brainlets there claim the hijab is dey culcha. IDGAF as long as they stay out of western countries, which they are not

>>23102350 (OP)
please show why the large Uncial manuscripts Codex Sinaticus, Alexandrinus and Vaticanus are not from the dates universally accepted.

'nuh uh' isn't going to be sufficient.

"What about the Dead Sea Scrolls"? Google "problems with Carbon-14 dating. :)

As far as I know The Jews haven't allowed any skeptics to examine them like The Church allowed with The Shroud.

More over, just like with Anne Frank, for no good reason, AFAIK, the full original has never been allowed to be even photographed for The Public.

"About 40% are copies of texts from Hebrew scriptures." Or is that really the other way around, because pretty much entire Bible is plagiarized, without attribution, from other culture's tales.

My Phoenician, Greek and is a bit rusty. Does anyone have a direct translation of all of it, or even some of it? (and if not, why not?) Don't do me any favors and do my thinking for me, buy telling me its a match for this or that current Jewish bible, and which way any diff break.

Many if not all of semi physically credible Christian bible fragments seem to be only weakly biblical in wording and context, more some generic bather about authority and responsibility, like a Jr High School VP telling students why he is The Boss, but not always completely.

Am I proposing that even the inventor of Carbon-14 was either duped or in on faking results. Yes, not at all impossible giving we are dealing not just with The Jews but Jews backed into a corner to try to cum up with SOMETHING to prove Judaism even existed. Look at the shit Epstein and Rabbi Dildo have gotten "America's Royal Family" patriarch to do.

When the inventor of Carbon-14 was involved, did he nail The Jews to the wall and insult them over Chain of Custody issues and openly treat them like low criminals? Because unless he did you can pretty much toss any results, and even then, those Jews can be damn tricky.

>>23102355
Stop bullshitting out of your head even christian arabs used to wear burqas, literally just lookup any footage from ottoman era and you’ll see it everywhere

>>23102350 (OP)
You are correct. I have no respect for dumb religious people they don’t research because of what they are afraid they’ll find

>>23102356
>Codex Sinaticus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

Re-read my OP starting with "To save some humiliation, " and pay attention to what comes directly after.

Then go to the wiki link I provided and do a CTRL-F search for "Carbon".

Then explain why you are stupid. :)

>>23102360
ok, so you have no idea what you're talking about. understood.

https://academic.oup.com/jts/article/73/2/516/6652265

>>23102350 (OP)
Interesting day on pol today
>>23102352
don't we all

anyway do you believe Roman elites played any part in creating bible?

>>23102350 (OP)
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>>23102353
show the first depiction of Christ, bet you won't.

>>23102361
>https://academic.oup.com/jts/article/73/2/516/6652265
its well known that real scientists rightly and justly scoff at this "dating by handwriting style" because forging "ye olde" writings has been a cottage industry since literally before the forgeries are supposedly from. Without even knowing, I can guarantee you soldiers of Alexander the Great, when they entered Egypt about 300bc, where being offered very well done, and 'aged' "manuscript of the Pharaoh of the Great Pyramid of 2000+ years prior".

Carbon-14 is basically worthless for dating shit that has been handled by countless grubby hands through the ages, and the big dirty secret is its SOP to know WTF date you are supposed to cum up with, then make "corrections" (accounting for grubby) to give the client the "correct" date. Even for stuff that has been sealed, it turns out Carbon-14 levels in atmosphere vary quite a bit, which pretty much blows the whole works.

Not finding clearly religious artifacts from long buried sites is one of my key points. It SHOULD be common to find clearly Christian or Muslim stuff that has been buried from 700AD to 1000AD, just like there is all sorts of Mayan sites still untouched and waiting for investigation, and all sorts of Hard Science could prove their age.

>>23102362
>>512951361
>>>512949956 (OP)
>Interesting day on pol today
>>>512950037
>don't we all
>anyway do you believe Roman elites played any part in creating bible?

Here is thread from other site, you will need to "fix" it to make it work for me to get past "spam filter" on this site.

"EIGHT"kun (((DOT))) top/ pol /res/ 13610564.html

https://yandex.com/search/?text=8kun&lr=108691&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

>>23102365
no "obviously actually Jesus" depictions exist until 1000AD, when they suddenly became common, detailed and specific.

>>23102366
there are loads of early Christian artifacts but, despite everything else youve said, im sure you're absolutely sure that not a one of them is from before 1000AD, so whats the point of trying to discuss otherwise with you?

>>23102362
(old and new) bible was created by The Jews in post-Roman world and sold to War Lords as both and tax farming scheme and to give them much needed post-Pax Romania legitimacy as members of the new club and 'super-govt' AKA "The Church".

"Everyone is joining the memberships are free to start, and everyone who joins is sorta friends, and anyone who don't join not so much friends, you wouldn't want to be left out, would you?"

>>23102386
have you made it the existing 348 post long thread on the other website? All questions are likely answered, just do Ctrl-F search of your terms.

Start with several posts containing "Mayan", interestingly enough. :)

After doing Ctrl-F for your PARTICULAR artifact, if not found post it here and I'll debunk within 24hrs.

Just like The Holocaust(tm) every individual artifact will be either fake or wrongly considered, with much better real explanation.

>>23102607
>have you made it the existing 348 post long thread on the other website?
nope, and im not going to. i doubt its going to be any more informative or reasonable than the small sample ive seen so far. cao gratzi

What about the city of Jerusalem?

Josephus, The Jewish War, The Antiquities of the Jews

Proclamation of return by Cyrus of Persia after conquering Babylon.

Plenty of historical references and locations confirmed by contemporaries to be inhabited by the Jews, or Israelites pre-exile. It's just a ridiculous premise frankly. Have fun jerking yourself off and being smug about it though, you're basically a tranny at this point with the level of your irreconcilable beliefs that contradict reality. You're just a silly cat.

>>23102350 (OP)
>debate a yellow fever coomer
Yeah nah.

>>23102630
>Josephus, The Jewish War, The Antiquities of the Jews
all SUPPOSEDLY cums from one Jew who SUPPOSEDLY lived several 100yrs after the SUPPOSED events, of which not even a hint of exists from any other source.

Like the rest of it, the oldest "surviving text" is post-1000AD.

Show me a still existing artifact from the Romans or anyone else that confirms anyone in "Judea" was Jewish/Hebrew in any relation to what we now call Jews. Spoiler alert: the large candle holder on the Roman victory monument is a standard design not just in the middle-east but China, and I assume India and even pre-Roman Northern Europe. It allows you to change up the effect of the lighting by turning it.

just let the thread die

>>23102350 (OP)
Damn, disnt read shit you wrote, just came for the image

>>23102685
Why did she do that to her nose? It was completely normal before

>>23102630
>Proclamation of return by Cyrus of Persia after conquering Babylon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Cyrus#:~:text=The%20Edict%20of%20Cyrus%20usually%20refers%20to,Temple%20in%20Jerusalem%20(i.e.%2C%20the%20Second%20Temple).

I'm having a hard time getting what the text of this claimed original actually says. Lots of quotes from the post-1000AD Bible in the wiki. AFAIK there is no Akkadian cuneiform words for "Jews, Hebrews, Israel" etc. Does it say something about temp workers being allowed to return to their homes in the south?

BTW, that supposed "oldest mention of Israel" is "more likely actually not, with a better and completely different translation". Also, its human nature that PLACE NAMES will remain even after the people are completely different, as we see especially with Indian place names in USA.

When important possibly real clay artifacts are discovered, they can use hard science to check if the clay used matches the clays used at the time, since they will be quarried from particular places with "finger prints", as well as various chemical aging. Why ain't we hearing about that?

These are almost certainly fakes, or intentional mistranslation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoiachin%27s_Rations_Tablets
BTW, pretty sure Wiki is lying and has been recently re-edited. IIRC it used to say they were of unknown provenance (we'll be using that term a lot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provenance

and came from "antiques dealers", not the specific German scholar mentioned now in Wiki, and that the lack of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provenance was "an issue", but many (((scholars))) considered them real.

>>23102921
>I know better and it's all fake lies because I said so trust me bro I'm an expert I totally spend my whole day being paid to research these things
Pathetic

>>23102937
Meanwhile, back in Mexico.....

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=b510d2a75869389b&sxsrf=AE3TifNhY7pi1QymtX7MWyrHeAaGMnyhjA:1755102489506&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeuYzzFkfneXafNx6OMdA4MT_ii3zzsda10XPDTrLfEePPtJVDojrBPt1F6jq_pROBD4C2lJMAPRFye6EiCTGc3ku-y9dD37_fmh_Fe3aDgBce5Q_YXFSTtTt-lIY_8QMR6CR1xUlfbtBSkHzHNbs6s1BvXO_Dl5G3HI8u6K17BR61aBlmQ&q=olmec+empire&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9wrmjmoiPAxURITQIHdsNG3kQtKgLegQIEBAB&biw=1120&bih=497&dpr=1.71#vhid=ahWds3SN70RtbM&vssid=mosaic
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmznzkly3go

We might not be able to translate much or any, but it was clearly SOME specific religion/culture. There is so much of it and STILL INTACT from the day the empire ended, that its over 100yrs of back-log to even investigate it.

And these were people that didn't have 1/10th of the population, or 1/10th of the per-capita industrial output or tech, as Europeans or even Middle Easterners.

BTW, its not just that nothing Christian exists till 1000AD, but that is also the date for supposedly wide ranging and powerful Muslim artifacts. There will be buildings pre-1000AD but any Muslim stuff will always be "later remodeled" or just generic pre-Muslim decoration.

Here you go retard,. Crown of the Holy Roman Empire circa 962. A Christian artifact. Note the cross.

Retard. Dummy. Shit for brains. Just a dumb dumb right here. You're dumb! Really dumb!

>>23102956
You're dumb lmao your entire premise is just plain retard babble.

>Charlemagne never existed
>Thousands of historical figures never existed
Look there's this thing called Occam's razor and you're firmly on the side that indicates you're a retard. A dogshit dumb retard. Who is also smug. A very common thing with those who fool themselves into thinking they have any semblance of intelligence.

You're dumb!

I guess 900 years of kings and monarchs who were coronated using that very crown just made it all up.

>>23102994
You really need to study my 348 post long thread on 8chunDOTtop.

A cross is one of the most common pagan symbols and can denote everything from political authority to closely related 4 points of compass and authority over land.

"The Cross" is right up there with rectangle (or round) shaped buildings as one of the first things people make, for many reasons, like to hold stuff up off the ground. Even if you only need one leg, you will make a cross out of two sticks.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_berghout/7872003868
Notice how exactly about 1000AD we suddenly see common well detailed "Jesus on Cross" that even in this case has the name "Jesus Christ", not a generic "fish" meme without context, or a Chi Rho (just means "the anointed" and dates back to at least 200+BC).

BTW, "Christ" is a title or occupation, not a last name, means "street preacher" or wannabe cult leader/self styled "holy man".

>>23103004
show me something from Charlie's any other pre-1000AD figure of a still existing artifact with any clearly Christian ANYTHING.

You will find lots of POST 1000AD paintings with Jesus stuff with pre-1000AD figures, but no contempt originals. There is even a "cape shit" modern slang "retcon" for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

Here is an example of "clearly Jesus".
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_berghout/7872003868

https://www.charlemagne.org/ic.html
I see bird decorations, and other decorations, and he is holding a long stick with some rectangle on the end. What do the words say (and when were they added?)?

Why did Charlie seem to only use what I call a Sumerian Cross (equal sides with bumps on all four ends, similar to pagan and modern German military cross)?

What does the Sumerian Cross uptop the sphere mean (supposedly everyone thought the Earth was flat, according to the also supposedly existing The Church).

>>23103004
>Occam's razor
why do very specific clearly Jesus images only exist after 1000AD and everything prior is very generic imagines and memes with common non-Jesus pagan use?

Fun Fact: its human nature to only start making "streamlined" more generic symbols LATER. Today, people know what a simple airplane/airport, car, phone, gun, etc symbol means, but they didn't when those were new.

>>23102956
Meds. Brother you're on bant you'll have to do a lot better than that to even have a chance of me clicking that shit. Have you ever heard of an upper dick zapper? We have schizos on this board that could run babbling circles around you.

Romans never "crucified" anyone. They IIRC did have several radical ways to execute people, like putting them in a sack with a bunch of wild cats.
The SOLE source of evidence of "crucifying" not just Jesus but supposedly thousand of rebel slaves along miles of main roads after Spartacus is one ankle bone with a nail...from a carpentry shop.

What the Romans did find, when they got to England, was the Brits making good use of Scarecrows. No doubt they adopted them, and sooner or later a Jew saw them out in a field, from a distance, and the Jewish mind goes where it always goes.

>>23103103
just google "empires of Mexico"

>>23103000
>just plain
just show me a plainly Jesus (or Jewish, or Muslim) artifact with proof and/or provenance that its from before 1000AD.

Pre-historic statuesque nomadic Nordic-Slavic all woman Amazon warrior tribe? Confirmed! :)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/tomb-containing-three-generations-amazon-warrior-women-unearthed-russia-180973877/

Major sea-change new religion and its counterpart/derivative spanning the entire post-Roman empire across all of Western/Mid Eastern civilization for 500yrs? Not so much confirmed. :(

just let the thread die

"jumping out in front of a parade and pretend you are leading it" is a quintessentially Jewish thing to do.

Jews LOVE to slither into some society, and rebrand existing stuff to mean something completely different, and degenerate.

The original meaning of Statue Of Liberty was GOING to be at Suez to show how Whites were bring light and learning to the darker part of the world. When that install didn't happen, it was to remind Americans that:

1)Unlike their rivals in the UK, France was, like the USA, a Republic, with rights, not a bunch of Subjects of a despot.
2)Also that it was France that was the real reason USA was able to break free and become a Greek/Roman style Republic (even though France was despotic as UK in 1776).

Nothing about the two real intended meanings of the SOL is about turning the USA into the world's toilet. Just the opposite, in fact.

>>23102685
she looked better before

>>23102350 (OP)
>Nothing Christian, Muslim or Jewish exists older than 1000AD.
Islam started with Adam, and was completed with Muhammad
It's the same religion by the almighty, only with each prophet comes new bits, and the previous prophets's messages were corrupted