Thread 23118791

Does God exist?

>>23118791 (OP)
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>>23118791 (OP)
The fact that pure evil exists tends to point towards pure goodness existing too.

As vicious and cruel as the world is, look how much people still help each other and look out for each other. In WW1, there were gas attacks and trench warfare, but there was also the Christmas Truce. Where does that goodness come from? Why would there be any goodness at all in the world, why would anything ever go right, why would anything nice ever happen if there wasn't some kind of force for good in the universe?

If we lived in random chaos like some people say, I think there would not only be less order and goodness in the world, but people wouldn't expect order and goodness either. People's hearts cry out for justice and mercy, why would that be the case if we were just vicious animals living in a cold, callous, uncaring, unfeeling chaotic universe?

The universe adheres to some sort of logical system, some set of principles that follow the rules of Logic
The rules of Logic at their most fundamental are rules about reasoning
To any sane person this implies a reasoning entity which came up with the Logic that the universe runs on. That would be God

>>23118791 (OP)
No

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes, the white race.

>>23118791 (OP)
no, the jews killed him

>>23118794
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil. I the LORD do all these things.’

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes, but not like in any abrahamic book. If God is truly all knowing and all powerful then he knowingly created everything that has ever happened and will ever happen, you can think of that as good or bad, but really he is ineffable in nature. Let's not even get into the all loving part.
I think of him as the great dreamer, and we are all in that dream. He is not truly conscious, if he were to wake non of us would exists, nothing we know of would.
Row row row your boat, and all that

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes, Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the One True God

>>23118791 (OP)
Dunno, don't care.
I dislike the fanfiction holy books though, admittedly some more than others.

God exists just as much as any of us exist

>>23118791 (OP)
>All houses are built by someone, but the one who built everything is God.
We exist, therefore God exists.
Q.E.Duh!

>>23118791 (OP)
In a sense.

>>23118791 (OP)
If such an entity were to exist, it would be in a deist sense and not according to any dogma. The concept of a first cause that created the universe or set it in motion could function to fill in gaps of our current knowledge of the universe. However this entity would obviously proceed humans by several thousands of billions of years, so it wouldn’t bear any human-made attributes like a sense of logic or morals, feelings, gender, language, culture, or even a conceivable physical appearance. And it’s because of this that it would also most likely not interfere with human (or any other planet’s species’) affairs.

>>23118791 (OP)
I honestly doubt it. I was raised catholic but started to question the eucharist around 13 years old and never recovered. I still try to be decent to people and not steal, lie and cheat though so religion does have its purpose in shaping young minds.

Any god described by man? No. But yes a god or God's are most likely real.

>>23118806
I disagree with the human part since convergent evolution is a real thing and the humanoid shape may well be the entry door to sentience, society, etc, meaning the creator is a humanoid or at least rooted on the humanoid concept.
Who knows, maybe even the uber human in aestethic terms is a manifestation of the human tendency.
You may disagree but the proof lies on the fact there's only 1 species on the planet that reach sentience over hundreds of millions of years.
And extrapolating with all the ayyy stuff, the humanoid shape is still prevalent even in non-biological ayyys.
Proving the point of convergence evolution.
But yes, that doesn't matter, there's a clear distinction between a hypothetical true creator that we are still too ignorant to grasp and whatever abrahamism mental illness OP is mentioning, humans religions are as far apart from this hypothetical creator god as the heavens are from the earth in myths.

>>23118791 (OP)
We'll all find out, sooner or later. That's why Christians can't stop laughing at atheists and other retards.

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes.

>>23118808
>a god or God's are most likely real.

>>23118791 (OP)
It's complicated

>>23118810
If history is a any kind of proof that your abrahamic god particularly doesn't like christians then even as an atheist I begin to question this "god's" existence. :)

>>23118806
>However this entity would obviously proceed humans by several thousands of billions of years,
Not necessarily. You are assigning this dimension's properties to God, who must be outside of our dimension to create it.

>>23118791 (OP)
No one can be 100% sure but nearly all the evidence leans towards a big fat no. At least when it comes to how the (((abrahamic))) religions think he's like.

>>23118811
Prove it.

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord and there is no path to the Father except through Him.

>>23118791 (OP)
Yes.
Due note the general quality of life however.

Religion fails to describe the general sadism he enjoys.

yeah but not in the kike, christcuck or muzzlidme shit way

>>23118817
There is a lot of proof, even outside the Bible, if you are willing to look. But we both know you aren't. If you truly want proof, ask God for it. He will answer.

>God
No, not anymore

COME ON YHWH LETS SEE THE SON OF MAN KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THESE DISGUSTING JEW GOLEMS!!!!!

GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING!!!!

>>23118809
Humanity came into existence relatively late in the history of the universe. The humanoid shape didn’t exist for billions of years before us. It just wouldn’t make sense that a creator being would have this shape. Another thing to mention is that the humanoid shape is a product of evolving from other bipedal apes on dry land with a (mostly) carnivorous diet. It is very restrictive and specific to our planet and it would be absurd to assume that the first being in existence and the cause for the creation of our entire universe would have this form.
>there’s only 1 species on the planet that reach sentience over hundreds of millions of years
For now. We don’t know how other species will evolve over millions of years. We also don’t know if there are beings on other planets that are similar or even more advanced than us.

>>23118791 (OP)
>Does God exist?
yes, but god is a mushroom
all of these gay religions are based on shrooms

>>23118791 (OP)

Yes. And He is not pleased at all with how humans are conducting themselves.
All manner of disaster occurring worldwide in reaction to humanity's wickedness, and what do humans do besides calling it 'climate change', denying Him and His authority over the universe.

Get right with the LORD bros, because these godless heathens are going to bring down the entire house around us.

>>23118815
What I’m saying is that humans, just like everything else in the universe, is a product of this being, so there’s no reason that this creator would be bound to the form of a human or anything else it created. Even if you believe that this being exceeds our understanding of dimensions, you would still need to factor in the idea that this being existed first before everything else, so there must be some form of time in this scenario.

>>23118791 (OP)
Giving a genuinely compelling explanation to a degree I'm satisfied with would take far more effort than I feel like.
So I'll just give the end answer: He exists, and he's even more real than you are.

>>23118826
Disasters are happening because God got shanked, no one's at the wheel

>>23118826
>All manner of disaster occurring worldwide in reaction to humanity's wickedness
God wiped out 50% of Christianized Europe with the Black Death. It seems like God doesn't care.

>>23118791 (OP)
Earth is flat with a dome.
God exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Never went to the moon.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship Satan. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.

Luciferyans are behind liberalism, feminism, socialism, marxism, communism, multiculturalism, egalitarianism, social decay and degradation.

They despise, and want to destroy:
- Religion, specifically Christianity
- Family
- Nation
- Property

Hence these civilizational concepts are under relentless assault to make way for their satanic New World Order led by the Antichrist after a fake alien invasion known as project Blue Beam.

ALL of these conspiracies hinges on the original, mother of all psyops and hoaxes: Earth being a ball floating in nothing, revolving around the sun (remember, the satanic cabal are pagan sun worshippers..)

>>23118831
Lmao
The funny shit is that Christian religion is their turf

>>23118821
>There is a lot of proof, even outside the Bible, if you are willing to look

Show me your evidence then. I'm not going to jump to conclusions like you do, but if you can actually prove he exists, I'll believe.

>>23118831
LMAO christcucks are so insanely fucking stupid I think the only solution is mass euthanasia.

>>23118834
Real talk, and any and all Christian larpers are invited to share: Find me a decent excuse why their burials and weddings are held at the best Christian basilicas with the most prestigious deacons, priests, etc.

THAT should tell you all you need to know about Christian larpers.

>>23118835
I meant the elites, obv

>>23118834
don't forget your booster, you're due

>>23118837
See>>23118835

>>23118795
Spot on. I think the universe has its own schedule when it comes to knowledge. Humanity could be at a low point in its pattern but be nearing a maximum point (think like solar minimum and maximum) and it would appear random and chaotic to us here since we expect everything to conform to our pattern. It's hard to break out of that way of thinking but not impossible.

>>23118791 (OP)
>epistomoglcial question
>what is god
>how can we know god
>how can we know god exists
>what does god entail specifically and not in a general vague philosophical sense
>anwsrs may not include 1: utilitarian arguments for optimal mods of thought in a given era, 2: anything based on pure 'notion' or self adherence on an idea that is perpetuated by the governing principle of self adherence , 3: authority in a transmitted text or tradition that ultimately relies on 1 and 2

A direct epistemic definition that doesn’t depend on revelation or feeling could go like this: God is posited as a necessary, non-contingent, causally foundational reality whose existence explains why contingent realities exist rather than nothing.
This is not “god of the gaps” it’s the claim that contingent things cannot, by definition, be the reason for their own existence, so there must be something non-contingent.

Spinoza defined God as the infinite, necessarily existing substance with infinite attributes basically the whole of reality. This looks like it satisfies the rules: no utilitarian payoff, no “I just feel it,” no sacred text dependency. Problem: You can’t get specific commands out of “God = reality.
Aquinus: when Aquinas starts deriving God’s commands or moral law, he leans heavily on (a) a teleology of human nature
Socrates / Plato: Once you say “the Good” determines divine will, you need an epistemology for “the Good” which ends up being rational utilitarianism ( banned #1).
Enlightenment Deism: ethically inert
Kant: God is needed for moral coherence or for justice to be achievable an instrumental role ( banned #1).

Once we remove the “easy” justification routes, the question of God turns into a meta-epistemological problem: Before we can decide if an interaction with God has happened, we have to decide what counts as valid evidence at all, and that itself depends on how much we trust our senses and reasoning.

>>23118831
God stuck you on a wet bowling ball. Get used to it.

>>23118816
That picture is so easy to prove wrong.

>>23118794
>why would anything ever go right
not for me

>>23118791 (OP)
>Does God exist?
No.

>>23118791 (OP)
Let me consult my magic 8-ball

>>23118791 (OP)
>>23119025
It said.
>Better not tell you now