Thread 23144391

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It's on the feast of trumpets, Rosh Hashanah, also known as the day or hour no one knows, the hidden day, celebrated for two days because of the difficulty of determining the date of the new moon.
Same day as the UN summit where there will be a 7 year peace treaty, Daniel's 2550 days of tribulation exactly till September 15, 2032, Yom Kippur, day of atonement.
This pattern of 2550 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur has never happened before Israel became a nation.
Six times after it did, this year will be the 7th.

Psalm 90:10
>The length of our days is seventy years, or eighty, if we are strong.
Israel is now 77 years since it became a nation.
Jacob, after completing the two 7 years promise was 84 years old. Israel will be 84 on 2032 AD.

2 Peter 3:8
>With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Jesus Christ makes an appearance every two thousands years, also like a day.
From Adam to Abraham, in person, with His glory.
As He rose on the literal third day, Jesus Christ's third coming will also be on the third day, 2032 (32 AD when He entered Jerusalem), under both the context of 1 thousand and 2 thousand years being a day.
Take away the 7 years of tribulation, we are on 2025.


1 Thessalonians 5:4
>But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
Amos 3:7
>Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1uk2z7jGdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krrdv-KNp0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_WqwAQ2bQ

The timeline has never been perfect until now and with prophecies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-XX0Ey9Xo

To all unbelievers, don't be discouraged, read the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
Get baptized and fast. Crucify yourself.

This again....

>>23144392
>again...
Did you read?
There's a lot more information. Filled to the max.

>>23144391 (OP)
If I am selected can my dog come with me? I cannot leave her behind.

>>23144395
Why not?
Not a hoof is to be left behind.

>>23144391 (OP)
Aw yeah, Jesus is gonna come all over us!

>>23144392
Every 5 years we get a rapture. My ancestor sat in his buggy in the field waiting for the angels to carry him to heaven, until his sons went and brought him inside.

>>23144391 (OP)
Okay, sure thing Mr. Camping. No man knows the day or the hour but I guess you're just built different.

>>23144399
It's an idiom for the feast of trumpets and it doesn't specify the day or the hour, because again, it's the day or hour no one knows.

>>23144400
>it's gonna happen september 23 but no one knows cuz secret
I want to believe so bad bros

>>23144401
>no one knows
It's very much viral in Christian circles unless you're just going to bury your head in the sand.
How are they supposed to know if you don't tell them anyways?
Outside of the Christian circles the word is going to be pretty much the same if you were expecting otherwise.
That's why the Bible says it will be like a thief in the night.

>>23144402
>word
*world

For the non-chalant folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5vgWEGENoI

>>23144391 (OP)
The rapture is a heresy, always has been, nothing but a death cult heresy pushed by the “biblical illiterates”

Christians can be dumped into two categories. Rapture and none rapture

Jews can be dumped into two categories. Zionist and none Zionist

>>23144391 (OP)
Also Tom Kippur was literally used on Jesus

It’s the sin chicken ceremony. They used lambs in the past. That’s why old Christian art work shows Jesus as an innocent sacrificed lamb.

Yom kipper the jews take two lambs. One good on bad. They release the bad one and attach their sin to the good one and kill it.

Jews released the bad criminal (bad lamb), killed the innocent one(Jesus)

All this retarded rapture & Zionist crap is to convolute that fact. Rapture Christians are bible illiterate

>>23144391 (OP)
Jesus returning is the heresy, it implies Jesus was so lame and retarded he has to keep coming back. Hebrew tricks on Christian illiterate

>>23144407
You plant and you harvest right? Same thing.

>>23144404
>All they had to do was listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yBmcexobs
>They were fine with going to hell.

>>23144391 (OP)
Gods one rule was your not allowed to know when the rapture happens, great job anon now he has to change the date again

>>23144391 (OP)
>D.A.K

>>23144408
The rapture is a heresy, nincompoop

>>23144410
No such thing as the rapture

Proof the Bible is the word of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
Jesus Christ is God who came to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and is now in heaven. Do you regret your horrible sinful state? Do you want forgiveness? Put your faith in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, which is sufficient to wash your soul from all sin eternally. Let go of the faith you have in your own effort in trying to please God. You can only be redeemed with the blood of Jesus Christ. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:28) God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice. Your deeds, no matter how good you think they are can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9) Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned. God has given you much time to repent of your sinfulness and self-righteousness.

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

The rapture is heresy. You don’t get to skip the physical death part. Only Jesus was capable of that.

>>23144414
>Proof the Bible is the word of God:

>>23144402
>It's very much viral in Christian circles unless you're just going to bury your head in the sand.
The same nonsense for millennia

Jesus is returning. As for when, no man shall know the hour or day, but the seasons leading to His return shall be like birthing pains. I do believe that time is soon, but you cannot predict the day.

Keep oil in your lanterns. Keep a strong faith. Turn to Christ. Kneel now by your own volition, before it's no longer your choice and the consequence is eternal.

I hope and pray every one of you accepts Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. I want to see every one of you in heaven someday

Jesus Christ is Lord

>>23144406
big digits checked

>>23144416
That picture has nothing to do with with what I posted

>>23144391 (OP)
bump

This goober invented the rapture back in the 18th century

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

Daily reminder that millenarianism is completely made up and unbiblical and the rapture is fanfiction by some guy

>>23144420
100% it does

This thread is a good example of the division and infighting within Christianity

>>23144414
The bible itself references oral tradition as the word of God and Sola Fide is unbiblical

>>23144427
Sola scriptura* sorry can't keep track of prot theology

>>23144426
It’s more like Christian vs Heavens Gate

>>23144429
Nah, it's men arguing over interpretations of a book written by men

>>23144391 (OP)
What are you going to do when this turns out to be false like every other second coming prediction ever made?

>>23144430
Nah, it’s death cult nonsense

The Scofield Bible significantly influenced the Christian Zionist movement. Referring to Scofield's interpretation of Genesis 12:3 ("I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee"), John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), argued that "The man or nation that lifts a voice or hand against Israel invites the wrath of God."[8]

Wacky Christian Zionism comes from the Scofield “bible”

>>23144432
This crap

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible

>>23144391 (OP)
You DO know it's utter blasphemy to try and predict the day of the Lord, right?

>>23144432
>>23144433
All Abrahamics are garbage, regardless of flavor

This scammer... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

He flew is tons of planes after that music concert attack. Film flammer

>>23144435
Sure, but rapture is a special sort of modern heavens gate super church Jesus bro YouTube eceleb Charlie kirk type of nonsense

And they say climate change activists are alarmists.

So when September 24 comes and goes with nothing happening will that be evidence that you are full of shit or will it quickly be forgotten and replaced with a new date?

>>23144431
There isn't enough information to speculate that hypothetical.

It also lines up with the alien excuse.

What Biblical justification exists for this "rapture" idea held by American protestants ?

>>23144437
Agreed

>>23144391 (OP)
>god says I don’t know what day it will happen on
>but I do anyways
>praise god!
Retard alert.

unless the word of god is wrong, even if you decipher the correct date the date changes...futile...

>>23144391 (OP)
How many predictions until you fags realize god is not real, and even if Jesus did exist (which is remote) he was a cocksucker grifter?

>>23144438
Plot twist: every doomsayer is different and they all become hypercringe atheists after the date passes.

>>23144444
>tfw satanists just assume every day is the day and Jesus never comes
Feels bad, man.

Where's all these supposed predictions that atheists keep bringing up?
I don't think anybody knows them except for 2012 which wasn't even Christian but some Mayan stuff.

>>23144441
John Darby. Alot of cults sprung up in America in the last 2 centuries. This one has its roots in England.

34th of September 2025

>>23144448
OK thanks, John Darby is not a Biblical justification.

>>23144391 (OP)
>flag
Hol up, are you that thai ladyboy?

I will add my message to that of my brothers and sisters in Christ:

Jesus Christ, Son of God - the Living Bread, the Resurrection, the Way, the Truth, the Life, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega, the most, most holy and high 'I AM' - is close.

Repent, turn from all sin and wickedness - all sin and evil will be destroyed, and all sinners with it.

In meekness and in faith, pray to the Lord God almighty, and ask for forgiveness, for guidance, for strength and insight in how to walk more rightously, how to walk with Jesus; our perfect example.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

I'm sure this time you'll be right.

>>23144433
>>23144432
>>23144423
>>23144441

So three links above

One shows invention in 1880
Other show modern Scofield
Other is cut and paste text

>>23144449
Its true!

>>23144453
>this time
Where's all these supposed Christian predictions of the rapture that atheists keep bringing up?

>>23144445
2000 years later and they still don't get it. At this point it's sunk cost fallacy.

>>23144456
>Christian predictions of the rapture
Google it.

I hate to break it to you guys, but Christianity is a tool invented by Jews. The “prophecy” is them getting a third temple and ruling the world. They’re using you. They call you retarded goyim.

There will be no rapture. There will be no return of Christ. There will only ever be Jews being Jews.

>>23144456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming

Rapture/Revelation isn't a real part of the Bible. Revelation was added later to make it scarier to uneducated people.

If you believe in Revelation then the Bible can just be added to, so you also have to be a Mormon now.

No Christian has yet to answer or even understand this pickle.

The most recent notable prediction was by Harold Camping, who initially set May 21, 2011, as the date for the rapture, revising it to October 21, 2011, after the first date passed without incident.

Other prominent predictions include those by William Miller (1843-1844), Charles Taze Russell (1914), and Edgar Whisenant (1988), all of which also failed to materialize.

>Historical Predictions:

William Miller predicted Christ's return between 1843 and 1844, leading to the "Great Disappointment" when the dates passed. Charles Taze Russell of the Jehovah's Witnesses predicted the Second Coming for 1914.

Edgar Whisenant, a former NASA engineer, predicted the rapture for September 1988

>>23144391 (OP)
Fuck your inbred desert gypsy mental illness you dirty kike.

>>23144462
>Other Notable Predictions:

Herbert W. Armstrong predicted the end times would begin in 1972.

Rex Humbard predicted the rapture for 1983.

Pat Robertson predicted the rapture for 1982.

Jerry Falwell Sr. suggested the Antichrist could appear between 1999 and 2009

>>23144460
>A bunch of never heard of unbiblical individuals.

>>23144391 (OP)
There is nothing in the Bible that implies a pre tribulation rapture. Nothing more than an evangelical LIE perpetuated by Jews.
OP is a faggot
Sage all fields

>>23144465
That's not what you asked though is it?

There are no biblical individuals who predicted it either

>>23144396
Hope so fren, thanks.

>>23144467
Besides semantics your point is moot.
The Christian concensus is that no one knows the day or the hour.
I guess you do win on a technicality, but.. it's just weak I guess. Redundant even.

>>23144460
He's going to dismiss it out of hand because it's not what he wants to hear.
By the time I post he will have already done it, that's a prediction.

>>23144469
>Besides semantics
Which is your entire thread
>your point is moot
What's my point and why is it moot?
>The Christian concensus is that no one knows the day or the hour.
Yet here you are spamming the same nonsense day by day
>but.. it's just weak I guess. Redundant even.
You are, yes

>>23144426
Still accurate 1850 years later

>>23144472
Exactly

>>23144391 (OP)
OK I sold my house and took out a large loan and got a new car that has no payments for the 1st three months. Where do I go to wait out the Rapture in luxury?

>>23144461
Notice how they actually just refuse to engage with it

After 2000 years I, some guy on the internet, have defeated Christianity. With the help of Mormons and Jehovas witnesses that is.

Also since I am sort of an atheist but not really anymore: Live your life like Jesus Christ is watching you every moment. But don't fear hell. What a stupid, absurd concept "sin" is
>Design a little car such that it goes
>Put car down
>It goes
>Condemn car to eternal suffering?
>Prove you are great by offering it "salvation"

It is laughable to an adult and even most adolescents. If you had heard this concept for the first time, you would consider the belief a scam/trap. It doesn't pass the sniff test. People who possess Gnosis will always reject Christianity and fealty-based religions for this reason.

Jesus is the way, but just because altruism and the triple jewel represented by Buddhism is the way, naturally, for animals and living things.

Thank you for enjoying this post, provided your IQ is above 115. Below that won't clearly get it.

>>23144391 (OP)
Chances are too high due to the dates

>>23144470
You nailed it
>>23144465
Kek

>>23144391 (OP)
Just 2000 more raptures....

>>23144474
what could possibly go wrong, well done anon

>>23144475
>if god didn’t want me to sin he wouldn’t have given me free will

What if he wanted you to have free will more than he wanted you not to sin?

>>23144435
Indeed and their golems don't realize they use these texts as a playbook for ritual because it convinces their believers they have no personal agency, power, or ability to change the consolidation of power toward and outward facing version of UN luciferianism or material worship.

>>23144391 (OP)
The Torah was not ancient law from Moses but a late Hellenistic creation, first in Greek and then dressed in archaic Hebrew. No pre–3rd century BCE evidence shows it existed in manuscripts, inscriptions, or foreign records, and no one practiced the religion it describes until the Hasmonean period. Its prophecies were written after the fact, turning history into proof of divine plan. The archaic language is imitation, not survival. This means the Torah is political invention, not timeless revelation, a shift that shakes the foundations of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

The Pharisee are the Edomites (descendent of Amalek which the Israelites were told to genocide and which descent from the Canaanites which worshipped Moloch and such) which previously were forced to convert. However they really liked their old customs which were unlawful and thus they created the Oral Law. You know how in Court a Jew will use semantics, grey areas, loopholes and other pilpul to argue they didnt break a law which they never followed completly ignoring the intent behind the law? The Oral Law of the Pharisee is a guideline on how to do that with the OT Law.
Before Judaism there was Semitic polytheism. Judaism doesn't come into being until the Persians in the 5th century BC, and even then it was a kind of unstable hybrid of Zoroastrianism and Semitic polytheism. With the Greeks it takes on a more familiar shape. Then they produced their ‘history’ and holy books, and invented themselves.

Both say they’re the real continuation of Israel’s faith. Historically they’re siblings, split from the same Second Temple Judaism. You can’t flip it and say Judaism came from Christianity.

>>23144391 (OP)
Oh just fucking great. XRP is going to moon on the 22nd. $2000 overnight. And now you're saying that I'll be Raptured on the 23rd or 24th? Christ please let me live and have fun with my overnight riches.

>>23144391 (OP)
Thanks OP.
>1 Corinthians 15:52
> In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

During the Feast of Trumpets, also known as Rosh Hashanah, a shofar (ram's horn) is blown a total of 100 times. The blasts are divided into different sequences, with a long blast, Tekiah Gedolah, marking the end.

>>23144398
Hey the Bible is talking about you! Last days confirmed.

>3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

>4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

>>23144480
Then he can't logically punish me for that choice, to do so would be illogical because he would understand he was actively choosing to create sinners.

You can't go in logical thought process through religion because it's illogical. You don't need God to be something that is angry and hateful to you. It makes zero difference in guiding your behavior with proper principles which are mostly the same between all functional religions.

>>23144486
> Then he can't logically punish me for that choice
I’m glad you used the word logically, because that means you can explain the logic which leads you to believe that.

Please show me the logic.

>>23144391 (OP)
You gay retards do the same shit every few years, fuck off jew lover.

>>23144487
I did it in the next sentence..remember what I said about being under 115 IQ?

Explain to me why you need a an angry god that condemns you to hell and created sin on purpose. YOU make your own philosophy make sense. Instead of sin and suffering just existing as a fact of reality and nature.

Where does the guy come in?? What does he do

If you had been born in an Islamic country you would be Islamic and if you were born in India you would be Hindu. The only reason you believe in the particular angry guy is the place you were born

I am freeing you from the guy if you are smart enough to understand. Hell was created to scare you into giving money. Why not give to the poor anyway? You need no church taking a cut

You can't explain needing the guy when I don't use the guy and I follow the same lessons. It's a trap. You were tricked by men. He even warned you about this repeatedly!

>>23144391 (OP)
every year the September 23 apocalypse prediction occurs and is prominently spread on 4chan. This year is no different

>>23144489
Hell wasn't created for men, it was to punish the fallen angels.
Now where else does rejeciting God puts you? There is no other place besides hell apart from God.
You want to talk philosophy?
Might is right and God is the mightiest.
>The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
This is very high IQ even amongst the high IQ, it's where you always land back.
As the book of Job says, just shut up because you don't know shit.
>Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

>>23144491
Does god approve of you dressing in drag?

>>23144391 (OP)
One prophetic day = One year
Christians have been in tribulation for all of Christian history. What do you think burning on the stake for the word of God is? it's tribulation. For saying that Jesus Christ alone is head of the church, that's what made Roman Catholics murder Christians in the millions, for translating and following the word of God.
The rapture is an invention by John Nelson Darby that came later, a false totally interpretation of scripture. It's not literal 7 years, and Christians are not raptured anywhere, it is the sinners and evil doers that are being taken away, not the other way around. All of the modern concepts of Christianity are total nonsense, including who the people of the Bible are, which is the one major misconception in the whole of Christianity.

https://youtu.be/2bG0k3GXxAY

The Revelation of Jesus Christ
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMV1A56bZ4_JrHHpRcHzd4WnwHqtFFdLN
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvNU1xaiTlC2JCS0VfI1GGCDNT6Wm2j9E

>>23144489
Oh okay you don’t know what logic is.
Protip: it’s not how you feel about something.

Well I doubt much progress would be made in discussion so I guess we can just agree to disagree.

>>23144493
Too bad god can't hold a press conference and clear everything up.

>>23144494
You can't make progress against the arguments I have posed. They defeat belief in revelation. You can follow the Bible all you want, I don't care....you can't rationalize believing revelation and not being Mormon though. Also I am God's prophet now so you have to listen to me also.

There is no standard for belief. It rests on nothing but groups

>>23144496
Anon, you have not posted arguments, you posted feels.
Here, I will “argue” back in the same form:
>god can logically punish you for that choice, to not do so would be illogical
It doesn’t mean anything. Claiming something is logical or illogical is not the same as showing it to be.

>>23144391 (OP)
>this time it's right
>WORSHIP MY JEWWW REEEEEEE

The book of Daiel is fraud btw written during Antiochus IV and gets many basic historical facts wrong like the line of Babylonian kings or number of Saptrapies(even though Daniel was allegedly a saptrap)

>>23144414
Wrong. Objectively.

>>23144420
Perform miracle false prophet

>>23144497
Sure you can create a circular argument by being low iq and rejecting reality if you want to, that's on you and I don't engage with it. You are sub 100 IQ, I understand how you "think"

Nonetheless that does nothing to address the actual argument that you cannot believe in revelation or you have to be Mormon or be a heretic. And the reality that the religion you "believe in" (you never voluntarily did this the way I constructed my beliefs) is purely a function of where you were born (which can be proven pretty easily in a mathematical sense)

People with higher IQs do not think people with lower IQs can understand logic, to be clear, so no I'm not going to "prove" a logical argument I'll just defeat you with two black and white ones side by side

I know you think you're smart :)

Anyway what does the guy do? Can you explain it? Because to me sin just exists so I don't need a guy. I am unclear what he does for you. Can you put it in your own words?

>>23144391 (OP)
Wow, I believe the comet may be something other than that considering the probability of it's course and liklihood. But this is some real schizo shit. Take your meds...

>>23144482
Spot on.

>>23144501
See this is why I tried to say agree to disagree, you have no idea what logic is and you don’t know what arguments are. Even when shown to you, you still don’t get it.

>>23144391 (OP)
nope. and anyone who thinks themselves wise enough to declare such shall always be brought to shame, though they are to stupid to realize that shame.

I did not know there was this much anti-Christians here until these threads.
Half of the deniers aren't even Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGKvAe5uCQg

>>23144504
It's okay to say you have to think about it for a while, which is what a man would do. Your behavior is that of a non-white. Are you white, sir? I am white.

Curious. If there was no guy, and no hell, how would you change?

>>23144391 (OP)
yeah bro just another 2 millennia brow

>>23144506
your gnostic garbage is not Christianity. the Knowledge of God is not subject to theft why then do you try to steal it rather than ask and receive? If you had asked and did receive you would understand that none of what you said matters and is no different than any other jewish nonsense.

>>23144508
>Unironically mentions 2000 years as if it isn't the crucial aspect of the argument.

>>23144461
It’s Canon because it comes from an apostle and directly correlates to the prophets. It heavily relies on Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah (in that order). Lots of early Genesis as well. It has no contractions.

>>23144510
Youre right, it is a crucial part to demonstrate how you clowns have gotten it wrong for so long lol

>>23144511
the laws of moses were also canon but Jesus said not all of them were true.

>>23144391 (OP)
For one thing divination (future/fortune telling) is a sin. the second thing is that the bible says the day of judgement comes like a thief in the night. No one can or will be able to predict it.

>>23144491
>Might is right and God is the mightiest.
Except when it comes to iron chariots lol

>>23144514
>No one can or will be able to predict it.
more specifically: all predictions will fail even if one got it right accidentally.

>>23144515
no that was kikes being cowards. Miracles dont happen where there is not trust or faith.

>>23144391 (OP)
with this and all the 3i atlas/Alien ships threads, I thought I was on /x/ for a moment

>>23144514
>>23144515
>>23144516
>A line up of illiterates.
What's it called?

>>23144414
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>23144517
>no that was kikes being cowards
Nope..it literally says God was with them

>>23144519
>What's it called?
OP

>>23144511
Right same reasons book of Mormon is canon. You're Mormon right? If not you're a heathen

>>23144457
But why are Canadians allowed?

>>23144522
You do realize you’re retarded, right? You think you refuted me but all you did was prove to everyone here you’re retarded. Go back to r*ddit before you embarrass yourself further

>>23144524
What's the counter argument?

You guys have never been taught how to act so you embarrass yourself with this "uhhh I didn't care I win anyway" shit. This is why you're losers in life

>>23144499
I randomly picked a "contradiction" from that list and there wasn't any contradiction.

2 Thessalonians 2:9
"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"

Psalms 136:4 "To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever."

That's not a contradiction. I think your list is the real contradiction

>>23144500
The Bible itself, and the existence of Israel today is already enough of a miracle, the Bible predicted cars, internet etc. along with many other hundreds of predictions accurately, and has never been proven wrong.

>>23144526
>Finnish zog golem

Lol they really worked some magic with this stuff . Christianity does well in welfare countries I notice

>>23144526
>the Bible predicted cars, internet etc. along with many other hundreds of predictions accurately
Nope

>>23144391 (OP)
Wrong. And you're going to Hell for even deigning to understand the Lord's plan.

My daily doze of Americanized judeo-christian voodoo is filled.

>>23144528
>Internet
Revelation 11:9-10 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."

>cars
"…the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his
preparation... The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall
justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like
torches, they shall run like the lightnings."
Nahum 2:3-4 KJB

>>23144531
Kek none of this describes cars or internet.

You put what you wanted to see in it. That's not prophecy, it's delusion

>>23144525
God closed Scripture with Revelation.
Revelation 22:18:
> If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
Anything added after this is false religion like islam and moromism. Do you understand now?

i was thinking about something earlier today, this seems like a good thread to bring it up in.

okay, so, atheists are 5% of the adult population of america. (per pew)
95% of american atheists affirm lgbtqia++ marriage. (per pew)
0.25% of adult atheists in america are atheist and oppose same sex marriage.

american flags on /pol/ are ~30% atheist (per my observation and old polls i've seen)
100% of american atheists on /pol/ are implicitly against "degenerate" things like same sex marriage. (per my obvservation)
let's math that out.

>P(atheist | american adult) 0.05
>P(support SSM | atheist) 0.95
>P(oppose SSM | atheist) 0.05
>n=30
>P(30 oppose | n=30, p=0.05 = (0.05)^30
>(0.05)^30 = 9.3 x 10^-40
the chance of this happening is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000093%
someone's fibbin'

Here's the Bible's mention of modern transportation.
>But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

>>23144516
The problem with this line of thinking is that it suggests that if everyone predicts every day then we can prevent it from happening. Someone will inevitably predict it if even by accident. The important point is that no one is prepared for it and no one escapes it.

>>23144533
Okay, so how will the world see the bodies of the two witnesses without internet then? Yeah, you can't. It has to be streamed trough the internet.

Also that prophecy about cars from 2600 years ago is very obvious, I think you're the one intentionally deluding yourself if you refuse to see what is being described.

>>23144531
Sub 90 IQ individual, only capable of repeating what he is told. No discernment or logical aptitude.

>>23144534
He told the new guys he changed his mind

You understand revelation was added later, correct? I think you don't get the foundation of the argument

>>23144535
Whoever said 5% is ridiculous. That's probably people who self label as that not the reality that it's like 30%

>>23144537
>doesn't day anything about modern transportation
You lot are delusional like a tranny

>>23144391 (OP)
Imagine listening to the ramblings of a reformed homosexualist twink and taking them as gospel truth

>>23144539
Again,
>>23144533
>You put what you wanted to see in it. That's not prophecy, it's delusion
You are a moron.

>>23144540
>3 out of 10 people you run into don't believe in god
you are out of your fucking mind.
go outside.
that's probably not even true in seattle.

>>23144543
When you see Jerusalem and Israel in the news, you are witnessing
something unheard of amongst any other tribe or nation. A place that
didn’t belong to the Hebrew people for the great majority of the last 2,000
years. A place God promised to one day restore. How do you explain that then, or is that a delusion too and Israel doesn't really exist?

"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the
isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and
keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock."
Jeremiah 31:10 KJB

The year of our calendar is not based on an arbitrary date in antiquity. It
is counting forward from a particular Person who lived on this earth 2000
years ago. A Man who changed history forever. That Man’s story is found
in the Bible.

Nothing in the world is comparable to the Bible. If you haven’t read it,
you’re not just missing out on the most important thing in life, you’re
missing out on life itself.
If you’re looking for answers to any of life’s questions, whether it’s “What
happens after I die?” Or “Why are there 7 days in a week?,” the Bible has
the answers.

>>23144391 (OP)
I do hope you are right, but it does get a tad bit tiresome every time this happens.

>>23144545
Anon, I think your world is very small and you have run into very few people, ever.

>>23144546
>Nothing in the world is comparable to the Bible
Which versions and who's bible? The Catholic one? The ones after Luther removed 7 books?

>>23144546
>If you’re looking for answers to any of life’s questions
I got out and experience life

>>23144549
Don't be mean, he strikes me as the type who hasn't ever been 25 miles from his town.

>>23144547
2 more millennium, trust the plan.

>>23144548
>i know you are but what am i
bro, i gave you sociological survey data, you're just pulling your ridiculous figure out of your ass.
it's true around 30% of people are religiously unaffiliated but that's a completely separate thing from not believing in god.
american atheists are rare as fuck and it's weird there's so many of you animals here.

>>23144546
>the Bible has
>the answers
Totally
>God creates man with foreskin
>changes mind and demands he cut it off (while still making man with foreskin)
>changes mind again and now it's a metaphor of the heart
It's clear that these stories have been written by men

>>23144526
>Bible predicted cars, internet etc
Are you sure you're not thinking of "Paris in the 21st Century" by Jules Verne?

>>23144549
The KJV, the most printed book in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

>>23144395
>>23144396
Remember Lot's wife.
Turn back for NOTHING nor NO ONE.

>>23144555
Why not the Catholic one?

>>23144552
>Tries to use numbers but can't interpret them

I explained to you why those numbers don't reflect reality in a way you already observed

"Believe number as stated" is an empty headed position. You know what, forget it. You are a 100 iq type. Your people will always simply believe whatever religion exists where you were born. That determined everything about your life. You do not have free will and are not intelligent enough to have "thoughts"

>>23144558
If you watched either one of those videos I've shown you many times, you would know.

Why wouldn't I just create my own version of your comment a read that? Thats why

>>23144559
>the armchair psychologist who can't read a pew report is diagnosing my IQ and philosophical free will from a single post.
k.

>>23144560
>If you watched either one of those videos
Im not interested in the borrowed interpretations of another delusional retard

>>23144560
>Why wouldn't I just create my own version of your comment a read that?
This statement makes no sense

>>23144527
We've got our own evangelical loon minority of some tens of thousands. Notably pentacostals and charismatics. Naturally, imported from America in the early 1900s.
Thanks a lot.

>>23144562
>This statement makes sense

Thanks for agreeing with me then and proving my points

>>23144559
>Your people will always simply believe whatever religion exists where you were born
>>23144561
That anon is right.

Had you been born on Sentinel Island, you would believe as they do

>>23144564
>how dare you no accept my nonsense
OK kiddo

>>23144558
pre-challoner's revision of douay rheims is a translation of a translation (latin vulgate) of a translation (hebrew OT and greek NT)
douay rheims challoner's revision copypasted from the KJV
>>23144565
no, you're both silly.
the existences of counterfactuals doesn't negate a creature's faculty of will, it just provides context for choices.

>>23144567
>translation.
>translation
>translation
Kek
>>23144567
>it just provides context for choices.
You wouldn't have a choice of what do believe if you were born on Sentinel Island

>>23144568
>heh, i believe in hard determinism
and yet, here you are, making a choice to post on a sundanese underwater welding IRC channel to try and change my mind.
if you truly believed that, you'd know your words are as predetermined as mine, and attempting to debate a pre-programmed machine is the most futile activity imaginable. you argue because on some level you believe in persuasive choice.

>>23144569
Again,
>>23144568
>You wouldn't have a choice of what do believe if you were born on Sentinel Island
You can't refute it.

Geographic location heavily determines the religion your taught and believe

You're going on an irrelevant tangent

>>23144569
>heh, I don't understand how non-libertarian freewill works.

>>23144570
so we agree then. you've retreated from "you have no choice" to "geography is a heavy influence"
i never argued against influence, just the negation of choice.
glad you've come around to a more nuanced position.

>>23144571
allow me to explain,
the simplest way to understand compatibilism is that it redefines "free will" to mean "free from external coercion" not "free from prior cause"
under compatibilism, you "freely" choose something if you choose it according to your own desires, beliefs, and reasoning process, even if that process itself was determined by prior events.

example:
>you choose chocolate ice cream because you like it. a compatibilist says that's a free choice because it wasn't forced on you. a liberterian (like me, a molinist) would say that for it to be truly free you could have genuinely chosen vanilla even if all your desires and history pointed to chocolate in the exact moment.

the determinist says you were always going to pick chocolate, so the feeling of choice is an illusion.
the compatibilist says the process of deliberation based on who you are is what free will actually is.
the libertarian says true freedom requires the ability to choose between genuine alternatives, even if it's contrary to your strongest inclination

>>23144572
>"you have no choice"
You wouldn't if you were born on Sentinel Island. They know nothing of any other beliefs but their own.

You won't be able to prove me wrong

>>23144572
>so the feeling of choice is an illusion.
The only thing you're choosing is the is the possible outcomes presented by past consequences

>>23144573
>>23144574
we're talking past eachother.
if a sentinelese person never heard the gospel, they'd never be able to accept it, i agree with this.

this is the position you were agreeing with and i was arguing against though:
>Your people will always simply believe whatever religion exists where you were born. That determined everything about your life. You do not have free will and are not intelligent enough to have "thoughts"

the claim is that i, someone with an internet connection and access to every holy book and philosophy ever written literally at my fingertips if my hands are resting on a keyboard have no free will and am not intelligent enough to have thoughts.
you claimed my beliefs were predetermined and that i just blindly believe what i was born into.

but when challenged, you retreated from that sweeping determinism and started talking about sentinel islanders who have no access to any alternative information.
that's a completely different argument.

so which is it? is your deep insight that "people with no information can't make informed choices," or are you standing by your original claim that i am a predetermined robot who can't think of himself? you can't have it both ways.
your retreat to an irrelevant hypothetical proves you can't defend your original position.

>>23144391 (OP)
Sage ball eatth ufo shit.. .

>>23144391 (OP)
>Rapture on 23-34 of September 2025
The Bible says nobody will know the day or the hour, so you cannot give a date OR a range of dates because the last day is excluded since we'd know it would have to happen on that day if we reach the prior day... which means the prior day is excluded for the same reason, which means the prior day before that is excluded etc etc etc until the entire range is invalidated.

OP is a shill and possibly jewish

>>23144391 (OP)
>34 of september
damn nigger that's crazy. anyways
>Matthew 24:36: No one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

>>23144575
>this is the position you were agreeing with
Incorrect.
>>23144565
This is the position I was agreeing with

>>23144575
>but when challenged, you retreated from that sweeping determinism
You're entire rebuttal is built on a false premise because you couldn't get my position right lol

Fucking dumb shit

Do you guys know who the Harlot of Babylon in Revelation is? Within a modern context, it wouldn’t hard to identify who or what that is exactly.

>>23144577
>if we reach the prior day

>>23144579
>this is the position i was agreeing with
>Your people will always simply believe whatever religion exists where you were born"
oh, apologies for assuming you were saying something more intelligent than you actually were.

all i'd need to do to prove this statement empirically false is just show one example of a geographically weird convert.
here's a ginger jihadi in pic related.
also for another example, there's you, an adherent to the religion of atheism parasitizing a Christian nation.

>>23144582
>all i'd need to do to prove this statement empirically false is just show one example of a geographically weird convert
This dummy still doesn't get it. You can convert even new info presents itself.

That doesn't negate the fact that you are born and atheist and taught religion and that is heavily influenced by where you are born.

>religion of atheism
Oxymoron. I knew I was talking to an idiot

>>23144583
>even new info presents itself.
If* new info presents itself

>>23144526
i picked the first one and it was an apparent contradiction but you could argue it wasn't so i picked the next two and you could always come up with some excuse. so i got annoyed and picked one that i knew was a contradiction: "how did judas die" and it was a blatant contradiction. interesting.

>>23144583
>you can convert [when] new info presents itself
so your grand philosophy has been reduced to "people are influenced by their upbringing but can change their minds with new information."
powerful.

thanks for playing with me, have a thought more complex than a bumper sticker next time.

All the atheists are reacting like guy in the second video said.
There are demons in people man, there's no need to be this angry over something you don't believe.
I'm not bothered in the slightest when a Muslim threatens me of hell.
This is absolutely not the case with atheists.

>>23144586
>"people are influenced by their upbringing but can change their minds with new information.
Took you long enough lol

>>23144586
>thanks for playing with me,
Thanks for being easy

>>23144586
>have a thought more complex than a bumper sticker next time.
Notice you ignore
>>23144574
>The only thing you're choosing is the is the possible outcomes presented by past consequences
:^)

>>23144581
The logic stands.
We know it cannot be the last day of a range because by process of elimination the rapture would have to happen on that day.
That means the prior day becomes the last possible day... but the cycle repeats

>>23144587
>there's no need to be this angry over something you don't believe.
Says the jeet who continually posts threads about atheist lol.

>>23144587
>I'm not bothered in the slightest when a Muslim threatens me of hell.
But you are threatened by atheist hahaha

Boomer here. No not yet. I have a 21 day cruise planned starting Sept 28th. The world revolves around me so the Apocalypse should as well.

>>23144588
>Thanks for being easy
imagine starting at "you have no free will" and retreating all the way to "people can change their minds with new information" and thinking you've won.
seismic cope, stay mad.

>>23144590
You are absolutely malding though. Absolutely no self-awareness.

>>23144592
>imagine starting at "you have no free will"
Again, this idiot gets my position wrong lol. Hence the strawman you need to make up.

Classic retard moves

>>23144593
>You are absolutely malding though
Malding over?
>Absolutely no self-awareness
Says the clown who makes daily threads about atheist kek.

Rent free stinky pajeet

>>23144594
This thread is about rapture Christians and all non-believers.
atheists just happen to be the largest demographic.
And how are you denying that you're malding when you're just straight up lying through your clenching teeth?

I believe.

>>23144595
>And how are you denying that
Denying what?
>lying through your clenching teeth
Lying about what?

Stop eating cows shit and make a coherent statement

>>23144535
>0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000093%
for comparison, the odds of winning the lottery jackpot is 1 in 292 million, roughly 0.00000034%
russia's population is 143 million, the odds of picking a random person there and it being vladmir putin is 1 in 143 million, roughly 0.0000007%
becoming a US president (if born in america) 1 in 10 million, 0.00001%
getting a royal flush in poker (5 card draw) 1 in 649,740, 0.00015%
randomly selecting one grain of sand on earth, 1 in 7.5 quintillion, ~0.000000000000013%

either most /pol/ atheists are liars, or there is a bonafide miracle happening here, which proves atheist materialism false.

>>23144535
>100% of american atheists on /pol/ are implicitly against "degenerate" things like same sex marriage
No
>>23144598
I'm not

This idiot continues on with another strawman

I enjoy watching this moron attempt to sound smart but when you press him enough, it's a bona-fide retard underneath

>>23144548
You are 100% correct

>>23144485
Every single generation before you has thought it was the end days, every one from now will think the same. Try to temper your disappointment when nothing happens

>>23144601
>generation before you has thought it was the end days
With no basis, until the actual time.
Has-been cope.
Not that I actually believe every single generation thought their generation was the final one.

>>23144602
>until the actual time
Which has no basis

I look forward to showing this thread to you when nothing happens

>>23144427
>oral tradition
didn't jesus warn us of traditions of men?

>>23144602
It's technically the generation after the founding of Israel.

>>23144599
well, as i've been on /pol/ since 2011ish and come across perhaps 10 new atheists a day
>365*14 = 5110 atheists (imagine the smell)
>5110 - 1 = 5109
>5109/5110
>99.9804%

you, ghosts of mesa, being a queer affirming liberal does little to change the result of the data, it would just become
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000539% instead of
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000093%
which is still miraculous.

>>23144391 (OP)
Okay but when you're wrong you should kill yourself. You should kill yourself anyway actually.

>>23144606
>i've been on /pol/ since 2011ish
I don't believe you. You lot are notorious liars on this board
>and come across perhaps 10 new atheists a day
Another lie
>queen affirming
What does that even mean? That I don't have a problem with what consenting adults do? Like reading their bibles?
>liberal
I'm not

See what I mean about the dishonesty you perpetuate?

Which is ironic because you claim to be a Christian but in practice you toss Christ aside for perceived gains on 4chan lol

>>23144607
that's all you leafs think about nowadays
mindbroken by anomie, the fruits of atheism

>>23144606
Also
>I can make anything fit with my made up numbers
Lol

>>23144557
kek

>>23144609
>if you dont believe my nonsense then you're an atheist
Kek.

>>23144608
>i'm not a liberal
>what do i care about what people do in the privacy of their own homes?
hrmmmmm
>Like reading their bibles?
no, like fucking eachother in the asshole and getting the perks that are meant to subsidize real families instead of those seeking to make a mockery of it.

>>23144610
imagine that

Ask any christcuck why their religion never put an end to the jewish problem once and for all in a millennia of absolute power. The typical response will be "b-b-but we kept them at bay!" which not only is false, but ignores the fact they butchered millions of Aryans to force this jewish cult, and never committed the same violence against jews.

>>23144613
>>i'm not a liberal
>>what do i care about what people do in the privacy of their own homes?
>hrmmmmm
You think that's a liberal view? Wow this anon was right
>>23144548
>your world is very small and you have run into very few people, ever.
>>23144613
>>Like reading their bibles?
>no, like fucking eachother in the asshole
They are consenting adults in their homes. Who cares. Just like consenting adults reading their bibles in their homes. Who cares?
>>23144613
>getting the perks that are meant to subsidize real families
You don't decide who's family is real or not. Considering you don't have a wife and kids of hour own.

Another case of a moron not understanding what a slippery slope is.

>>23144614
Right?

>>23144613
if that jew is peter singer that's the same jew who started vegetarianism in the west

>>23144616
>You think that's a liberal view?
yes.
challenge me if i'm wrong here, but liberal/conservative in this context is a binary.
it is absolutely not conservative to be okay with 2 men marrying and fucking eachother.
what's wrong with you?
>You don't decide who's family is real or not
see? dishonest fucking relativist liberal progressive atheist parasite.

>>23144609
See you in December

>>23144619
is that when you're maiding yourself?
don't do it anon.

>>23144618
>>You think that's a liberal view?
>yes.
And you're a sheltered idiot.
>challenge me if i'm wrong here
You are wrong. Want to know why? Because you won't bust down anyone's door inspecting for any homosex. At all, ever.
>but liberal/conservative in this context is a binary.
Not really as this it's a libertarian belief as well.

>dishonest
About? Bet you can't back up you limp wristed faggot

>liberal/conservative
I'm neither as I have thoughts an opinions that are on both sides

You won't be able to graps this because you are terminally online

>>23144621
>it's
Is*

>>23144596
These threads make you feel like you're warning someone not to do something and waiting for them to do it.
So it's refreshing to hear something like that.
That's great anon.

>>23144623
What's going to be your cope when nothing happens on your predicted days?

>>23144620
No it's because the rapture won't be happening, so I'll see you. That was obvious, but hey you're pretty dumb so what can we expect.

>>23144598
>either most /pol/ atheists are liars
They're jews lying about being atheists and lying about what they support, so yes?

>>23144621
>heh, you say you're against murder? how come you're not busting down people's doors then?
zzzzz
>limp wristed faggot
stop it. you've already admitted you love fags and will fight for their freedom to express their love with eachother through holy matrimony.
>Not really as this it's a libertarian belief as well.
this is almost an interesting topic, but i think it's a category error in this specific context.
i'm still thinking it's a binary rather than a spectrum and a libertarian would just be thrown into the liberal bucket.

anyway, you're retarded and boring.
bring me a better atheist to chat with.
>>23144625
>No it's because the rapture won't be happening
oh, i fully agree.
i'm a 100% certain Christian, but a 100% skeptic of doomsday predictions, as i've lived through about 30 of them where "this time it's for real!!"
let's talk, leaf.
would you say the Christian worldview is a live hypothesis, or something that's been invalidated?

>>23144624
I guess we'll never know.

>>23144591
You will, in hell kike

>>23144627
>>heh, you say you're against murder? how come you're not busting down people's doors then?
>zzzzz
Exactly. You won't be doing shit. Nor do you really care either

>>limp wristed faggot
>stop it
Ah boohoo baby. Lol

>you've already admitted you love fags and will fight for their freedom to express their love with eachother through holy matrimony.
Just like I predicted
>>23144616
>Another case of a moron not understanding what a slippery slope is.
Damn. Maybe I'm a prophet?

>but i think it's a category error in this specific context.
It isn't not can you actually explain why

>>23144627
>libertarian would just be thrown into the liberal bucke
Thanks for demonstrating how dumb you really are. Libertarians prioritize individual liberty, minimal government, and free markets, often advocating for both personal and economic freedoms.

>>23144627
>anyway, you're retarded and boring
Your concession is accepted again.

I love dunking on you in every thread we are in. You always cower before me, always

>>23144628
Does that mean you won't be coming back?

>>23144630
>all this text i'm not going to read
k.
you win the discussion, let the leaf atheist take over now.

>>23144632
>you win
I always do. You are a clown with no real world experiences, it's painfully obvious you're an obese person living with parents and terminally online all day

>>23144633
>uhh you're fat
i've seen your man titties, your bmi's at least 28
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505058625/#q505079820

>>23144392
>2 mores shmitas goyim

>>23144445
At least Christian schizo theories are interesting to read. Atheist 'nuh uh' arguments are so fucking limpwristed and boring. You've made the thread worse for me because you're a fucking faggot

>>23144634
>i've seen your man titties
This is another lie kek.
>your bmi's at least 28
For a 6'2" (74 inch) male, this corresponds to a BMI range of 18.5 to 24.9, which is considered a healthy weight and I'm at ~22 since my last weigh in.

Post your physique. You won't because you are obese

Everyone Are All The Way Above The Influence Always Frankly.


Hail Olivia Monroe <3


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>Bla bla bla religion bla bla bla best selling fictional story through time quote bla bla bla
Why don't you at least TRY to make it sound interesting..?

>>23144392

pure low IQ retards who can’t comprehend frens

>>23144627
It's a control system to keep sheep in line.

>>23144641
nice.
that's a pretty strong atheism.
you don't just "lack belief" like weak atheists, but actively hold the belief it's fictitious and malevolent.

what makes you so certain though?

>>23144627
>would you say the Christian worldview is a live hypothesis, or something that's been invalidated?
Depends in the person doesn't it? For you it's the former and for me it's the latter.

I look forward in your inability to understand this

>>23144642
>that's a pretty strong atheism
No where did that anon say they were an atheist either.

>>23144643
>you think it's true but i think it's been invalidated
i thought you were an agnostic atheist though.
if it's "invalidated" to you then you're a strong atheist (sagan's gnostic atheist is a stupid fucking term and i'm not going to use it)

>>23144642
>hold the belief it's fictitious and malevolent
Spoken like a liberal with hurt feelings

>>23144645
>i thought you were an agnostic atheist though.
What about my statement makes me not?
>if it's "invalidated" to you then you're a strong atheist
Incorrect. As I am still open to Jesus coming to me directly. But that doesn't actually happen. Or it hasn't as of yet

>>23144426
Christians
>stop noticing that our religion is rooted in second temple judaism, you're stoking infighting!
Also christians
>that denomination's interpretation of the bible is different than mine, now millions must die

>>23144647
if you hold that there's still a possibility of it being true then it's not invalidated.

>>23144648
Exactly. The ones in this board are clowns that lack any introspection

>>23144649
Also incorrect. It's invalid until proven otherwise

>>23144643
>I look forward in your inability to understand this
Like clock work

>>23144650
you're treating "invalidated" as synonymous with "not currently justified," which is a methodological or epistemic stance, not a metaphysical one.
but that's not the same as saying the worldview has been invalidated in the stronger sense i was probing, as in "no longer a live hypothesis."

come back leaf, save me from this tedium

>>23144391 (OP)
>Jesus appears every 2k years
Do not turn Christianity into Hinduism. Jesus isn’t an Avatar

>>23144651
>you're treating "invalidated" as synonymous with "not currently justified,"
Yup. Which is a you problem. Becaue if it's not justified then it's invalid. Pretty simple really

>but that's not the same as saying the worldview has been invalidated in the stronger sense i was probing
You're probing for a false premise because you still think you're not operating on personal feelings when it comes to your favorite flavor of god.

>come back leaf, save me from this tedium
Indeed. I can only bully you so much. But I dont mind continuing

>>23144651
>not a metaphysical one
Why not?

>>23144642
I'm not an atheist. I simply believe no human has ever had a transcendent experience. I don't believe in Christianity in the same way I don't believe in any of the thousands of bogus world religions. Knowledge of the true nature of the universe will not be found in the works of rabbis.

add it to the list

>>23144399
classic jewbrain
https://youtu.be/QynNpzqYt0Y?t=3m42s

>>23144656
>he's back
thank goodness.
i could kiss you.

>I don't believe in Christianity in the same way I don't believe in any of the thousands of bogus world religions
Christianity's special in that it's centered around a falsifiable event that happened in history, with empirical evidence to support it, rather than being based around a pedophile was who being allegedly being choked in a cave.
have you ever looked into the historical evidence for the death burial and resurrection of Christ?

>>23144659
>a falsifiable event that happened in history, with empirical evidence to support it
That's not true

>have you ever looked into the historical evidence for the death burial and resurrection of Christ?
According to Peter, all that was left was a few stips and a face cloth.

There is absolutely zero evidence of anything supernatural

HOSSANNAH IN THE HIGHEST
HOSSANNAH
HOSSANNAH
HOSSANNAH IN THE HIGHEST

>>23144660
shhh, quiet now.
adults are speaking.

>>23144406
Quit talking about biblical literacy as of you know shit. The people who spend the most time studying the origins and history of scripture (as opposed to just reading the fucking thing over and over again like a brainwashed fag) usually end up atheists once they understand how much of a load of shit, politics, and lies surround the "holy" bible.

>>23144659
>have you ever looked into the historical evidence for the death burial and resurrection of Christ?
It's incredibly weak for the former and non-existent for the latter.

>>23144663
name 2 besides bart ehrman without googling.

>>23144659
they literally added that part about the resurrection in a later edition. it literally never happened. would have been front page news in the acts diurna lmao

just be smarter than jews
thats literally all you have to do to make it in this world
it isnt asking much, yet time and time again the average person will fail. a statistical impossibility, yet easilt verifiable by observation. like you, as an example. a repeat fell for it again award winner, no doubt.

>>23144391 (OP)
you were told by an individual that was told by an individual that was told by an individual that all of that was public
christcucks inadvertently argue against themselves lmao

>>23144659
What's funny about your meme is there nothing outside the bible that documents Jesus coming back or any dead rising.

Zero contemporary historians or Romans mention it. Which is odd considering how profound the event is supposed to be

>>23144662
Adults don't belive in fairytale little boy

Notice how this clown can't refute me

>>23144659
>Christianity's special in that it's centered around a falsifiable event that happened in history, with empirical evidence to support it
It was falsifiable at the time period in question.
One could go to Pilate and ask "hey did you approve the execution of this guy named Jesus?" and he'd say yah nor nah. It would be reasonably falsified if he said "nah, never heard of the guy." So at least at the onset of Christianity it is special in that sense.

But how can it be falsified today 2000 years later?

>>23144391 (OP)
I fucked Jesus and YHWH. Good pussy.

>>23144666
>they literally added that part about the resurrection in a later edition.
when exactly.
give me a timeline here.
the resurrection is brought up in the epistles, which predates the written synoptic gospels.

So /pol/ is dispensationalist now?

>>23144669
we can't interrogate pilate, but we can still examine historical records, archaeological data, and textual transmission.
if someone could demonstrate, for example, that Jesus never existed, or that the resurreciton accounts were fabricated centuries later, that would seriously undermine Christianity.
but the opposite has happened. the resurrection is attested in early sources like Paul's letters and the credal formula in 1 Cor 15:3-7 that likely dates to within a few years of Jesus' death according to secular scholarship.

so while we can't falsify it today like we could in 33 AD, the claim remains historically testable, and it's precisely because it invites that scrutiny that Christianity stands out.

>>23144671
>the resurrection is brought up in the epistles, which predates the written synoptic gospels.
The earliest known reference to the resurrection is found in 1 Corinthians 15–8, a creedal statement attributed to Paul
>Paul
A non contemporary. Damn the ither anon is right
>>23144666
>they literally added that part about the resurrection
Kek

>>23144391 (OP)
>do not delete until weeks from now
>posts on one of the fastest moving boards
the newest of newfags
you probably think shit like forum sliding applies here

>>23144673
>but we can still examine historical records, archaeological data, and textual transmission
And none of that actually supports a supernatural event

>the resurreciton accounts were fabricated centuries later, that would seriously undermine Christianity.
See
>>23144674

>>23144659
So you are a Muslim then? I mean the historic record of the life of Mohammed is significantly clearer than anything concerning Christ. it's the same god too. Or do you just like Christianity because it's what you know?

>>23144673
>the claim remains historically testable,
Absolutely incorrect

>>23144677
>Or do you just like Christianity because it's what you know?
100% it is for that anon

>>23144391 (OP)
>6025 years into the special 7 day operation

>>23144674
>1 Corinthians 15–8
it's 1 Cor 15:3-8
it's not attributed to paul, paul is receiving it from the jerusalem apostles who walked and talked and lived with Jesus.
>>23144677
>I mean the historic record of the life of Mohammed is significantly clearer than anything concerning Christ
this is absolutely absolutely not true.
for the sake of laughter spend a few hours over the next few weeks to get a brief overview of the islamic corpus and isnad system, and how many fake ahadith imam bukkhari had to sift through.
pinch and twist the nipple of the person who told you this nonsense 45º after you do so.

>>23144414
>Do you regret your horrible sinful state?
my current state isn't horrible, i regret skimming through yet another the bible is accurate because the bible is real therefor god
>Do you want forgiveness?
for what? morally speaking i'm a greater good than the god/s described in the king james bible
>Put your faith in
i don't have any, this is always the sticking point when spiritshit and/or philosophy are the subject
i don't have faith

>>23144391 (OP)
>rosh hashanah
>jesus
>peter
>yom kippur

this is an israeli posting behind a memeflag. why would i give a shit about jewish people and jewish concepts?

>>23144682
>it's not attributed to paul
It is
>paul is receiving it from the jerusalem apostles who walked and talked and lived with Jesus.
According to Paul. So it is attributed to Paul. I don't know why you need to lie so much

>>23144674
>>23144682
>>513584151
now back it up 5 verses

1Corinthians 15-3
>for I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
what does this tell you?
A) 'the earliest known reference to christ's crucifixion' comes after the scriptures describing them
B) no one actually witnessed it themselves, they witnessed the scriptures
C) he delivered unto them how to create an egregore, if you dont know what that is, look up Alistair Crowley's experience summoning a demon, or the kozyrev mirror experiments. its a group psychological phenomenon. you can make people see what you want them to see, under the right conditions. i.e. they want to see what you see.

the question is would they have seen what you saw if you didnt tell them what you saw? the answer is no. no they wouldnt. this is called an introduced experimenter bias. what we commonly know today as an egregore.

>>23144685
>According to Paul. So it is attributed to Paul
How are you this stupid and illiterate?
The verse literally says he heard it from someone else.
What year did you fail out of high school?

>>23144682
>>23144677
>isnad system
it basically works like this, there's the chain (isnad) and the story (matn)

in arabic the isnad for this one is
>Yahya narrated to us, Waki‘ narrated to us, from Sufyan, from Ayyub, from Abu Qilabah, from Zahdam al-Jarmi, from Abu Musa — meaning al-Ash‘ari — may Allah be pleased with him.
then the eating chicken part is the matn.

then they get graded as strong (sahih) medium (hasan) weak (daif), all of these mean they pass inspection.
anyway! what determines their strength is solely the names written in the isnad.

this system was created hundreds of years after the life of muhammad, the idea is since the chain goes back to one of the companions of muhammad, then it has to be genuine, because no one could just write a fake chain, riiiight?
historians though just completely ignore the isnad system and focus on the matn instead, and analyze it using historical methods like literary criticism and sociopolitical context.
they do the opposite of what muslims do when appraising them, because as stated earlier, the system was created hundreds of years later, so authentic sayings of muhammad would be less likely to be following this chain system that hadn't been invented yet.

there's over half a million hadith, all saying wildly mutually exclusive contradictory things.
the notion that muhammad is historically clearer than Jesus is absolute silliness.

>>23144696
That's called hearsay and it's not evidence.

>>23144703
love me some hadith
really demonstrates the semitic nature of it all

>>23144706
it's evidence literally by definition
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay%20evidence

>>23144695
"according to the scriptures" is a theological framing, paul is saying Jesus' death fulfills old testament prophecy. the gospels weren't written yet at the time of this epistle. paul is writing in the 50s AD and explicitly refers to the people who witnessed it themselves in verses 5 through 8.

>no one witnessed it themselves.
the gospels and acts record multiple eyewitnesses to Jesus' death and resurrection appearances. paul himself claims to have seen the risen Christ and he references apperance to peter, the twelve, and over 500 others, many of whom were still alive when he wrote it, it's firsthand testimony.
>egregore.
this is occult esoteric woo woo stuff, not historical scholarship. crowley's demon summoning and kozyrev's mirror experiments are not valid frameworks for evaluating historical claims.

suggesting that early Christians created an egregore implies mass hallucination or psychological manipulation, but that theory doesn't explain
>the diversity of resurrection appearances (individuals, groups, skeptics like james and paul)
>the transformation of fearful disciples into bold proclaimers
>the willingness of many to die violently for their testimony

>>23144738
by definition under jewish dictionaries and jewish law, sure. but scientifically, lol.. its about as reliable as the jew with the unbroken caterpillar for an eyebrow telling you it happened, which is to say not at all

>>23144734
>pic
>judas went to go hang himself (Matthew 27:5)
>judas fell down and getting eviscerated by a rock (Acts 1:18)
shit like this is embarrassing for atheists.
you really can't think of a way both of these things could be true at the same time?

>>23144738
Did you ever think about getting a real degree instead of a philosophy degree so you could be less embarrassingly fucking retarded?
>Hearsay, in legal terms, is an out-of-court statement offered in court to prove the truth of the matter asserted. In simpler terms, it's repeating what someone else said outside of the courtroom to support an argument in court. Generally, hearsay is not admissible as evidence because it cannot be cross-examined, making it unreliable.
>Historically, both ancient and modern historians have held a skeptical view of hearsay as a primary source of information.
>Reasons for skepticism
>Reliability: Hearsay, information passed through multiple people, can be distorted or misinterpreted over time.
>Lack of Direct Evidence: Historians prefer sources based on direct observation or experience (first-hand accounts, material evidence).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Hearsay doesn't cut it.

>>23144391 (OP)
the rapture isn't even biblical you prodie dipshit

>>23144740
so its a circular argument
they saw what they wanted to see
you should really go to college anon
this is like, first year psychology
first year logic and critical thinking
as i said earlier, just be smarter than jews. thats all you have to do.

>>23144758
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
this isn't some inviolable law of logic, it's a stupid catchphrase nu-atheist hero carl sagan shat out and reddit turned into a bumper sticker.
it's retarded for many reasons:
1: what counts as extraordinary depends on your worldview, knowledge and biases. for someone unfamiliar with quantum physics, even basic quantum phenomena might seem extraordinary. this subjectivity leads to moving goalposts, demanding more evidence simply because a claim feels with your feelings uncomfortable.
2: it suppresses innovation. new scientific ideas often challenge existing paradigms, and may be dismissed prematurely if labeled "extraordinary." this leads to gatekeeping unconventional research, especially in fields like parapsychology or fringe physics.
3: all claims should require SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE, not arbitrary thresholds. science should evaluate claims based on METHODOLOGY AND DATA QUALITY, not how surprising they feel. if a claim provides the best explanation, it doesn't need "extraordinary" evidence, it just needs adequate evidence.
4: it's rhetoric, not scientific. people invoke it to shut down debate or dismiss ideas without engaging with the actual evidence, it's a lazy skeptic's tool, a way to avoid grappling with uncomfortable or complex claims.
5: it reinforces confirmation bias. if a claim contradicts mainstream views, it's labeled "extraordinary" and held to a higher standard. meanwhile conventional claims are accepted with weaker evidence.
6: there's no clear definition of "extraordinary evidence." more data? better data? special statistical threshold? the phrase is vague and unscientific.

>>23144769
educate me.
what does being "smarter than jews" look like?
are you an atheist materialist?
do you believe the universe came into existence without intent?
wouldn't that mean that existence has no inherent meaning?
wouldn't that mean there would be no real right or wrong way to live your life?
if so, why shouldn't i just sleep under a bridge and chug fentanyl all day?

is surviving and bettering my society an inherently more meaningful pursuit than jerking off all day to onlyfans? if so, how?

>>23144774
I'm not reading all that lmao. If 500 people "told" pharisee saul that they saw rabbi jewsus get necromanced into heaven and none of them recorded it themselves then zero people saw rabbi jewsus get necromanced into heaven. You're a complete fucking moron if you don't think claims of supernatural events require a higher standard of evidence than common occurrences. It's fucking frightening that you think something that occurred a single time in the existence of the universe doesn't need to be backed by more than hearsay.

>>23144758
>Did you ever think about getting a real degree instead of a philosophy degree
Philosophy chads have the top 3 highest IQ among top degrees so thanks for the compliment
Hearsay is a type of evidence. Your wall of cope you didn't read/understand doesn't refute this fact

>>23144751
I used a dictionary made by white people
Nobody cares about your jewish dictionary or talmud law or whatever you're kike'ing about

>>23144817
>I'm not reading all that
pussy.

but you're very passionate about your religion, which i respect in way.
i'm not saying supernatural claims should be accepted without scrutiny, i'm saying the standard of evidence should be based on methodological rigor, not emotional discomfort or perceived improbability.
if 500 people claimed to witness something, the proper response is to examine the context, credibility, and consistency of those accounts, not to dismiss them outright because the event feels with your feelings to be "extraordinary."

>>23144830
>Hearsay is a type of weak evidence that's generally not accepted by anybody
Except retarded christjews like you of course.

>>23144753
if only this was a partly cloudy/partly sunny phenomenon and not a 'went and hanged himself' and a 'falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out' phenomenon.

what does 'headlong' mean? quite literally the opposite of hanging oneself, its faceplanting. the body is completely inverted. but you are the resident trannies (transjewish) and would probably know more about rope mechanics than anybody else. but you dont even need judas, the potter's field is more than enough. whose field was it? in one, judas owns the field. in another, the sanhedrin purchased the field because they couldnt take back the money into their coffers (using it to purchase a man's life is fine tho lol)

its just jewish nonsense. they cant get their stories straight. none of these people are witnesses. theyre all just playing a long game of telephone. and the telephone phenomenon starts happening well before the birth of jesus, let alone his death and resurrection. this is jewbrained semitic nonsense. it works on stupid people. stupid people like jews. 'they baked a baby in an oven' ben shapiro types. but for a native european? oof. if it works on you, i do not consider european spiritually because youre spiritually dependent on jews, and your fate is to become like them. 40 dead babies, ma 6 million, it was real in my mind, etc. i wish you the best.

>>23144838
>pussy
Lol söyboy response. You're a philosophy dork.
>should be based on methodological rigor
And you accept pharisee saul's testimony purely on emotion since you were groomed into believing it was true as a child.

>>23144797
if you think being smarter than jews involves jerking off to onlyfans, then i wouldnt be able to explain it to you if i tried.

>>23144840
journalists, historians, and even scientists rely on secondhand accounts as part of a broader evidentiary framework.
it's not ideal as a standalone proof, but it's not worthless either.

for instance, tycho brahe, the 16th century astronomer relied on reports from sailors and travelers about celestial phenomena seen in other parts of the world. their accounts weren't firsthand observation by brahe himself but they helped him triangulate and compare data across regions.
in studying ancient eruptions like mount vesuvius, scientists use historical texts like pliny the younger's letters that describe the event secondhand. the accounts are hearsay by legal standards but invaluable for reconstructing environmental impacts.

>>23144866
And if there were no corroborating physical evidence for a volcanic eruption that destroyed cities and killed thousands it would be considered folklore or unsubstantiated.

>>23144866
>christians existed therefore christ existed
>new york real therefore spiderman real
its no wonder you have all those fell for it again awards

>>23144840
>I'm a dumb kike and I'm seething because that anon outsmarted me into admitting hearsay is in fact a type of evidence after I lied and said it wasn't
I know

>>23144902
>I'm a dumb kike
Yes you are, we agree on that much.

>>23144769
>you should really go to college anon
>this is like, first year psychology
>first year logic and critical thinking
People who go to college/uni don't use phrases like that
They also reflexively use capitalization without even realizing it.
You're a high school dropout

>>23144696
You got some jew cum on your shirt.
>>23144918
Aren't you a VT dropout?

>>23144906
>we agree
Yes, we agree you're a dumb kike

>>23144928
>tel aviv backup has arrived
And this is /bant/ too kek
kikes are desperate lately

>>23144960
>backup has arrived
Sounds like a police catchphrase. How many times have you been arrested btw, nigger? Not that police would ever need backup to handle you kek.

>>23144960
>reeeeeeeeeee kike reeeeeeeeeee
You must be a gayper.

>>23144682
That process of assembling the Koran is not dissimilar to the way the new testament was codified. It wasn't for hundreds of years, until Constantine, that the biblical new testament took shape, with plenty of editing and textual removal, like the gospel of Thomas' being left out since most of it undermined the power structure of the church (which is my initial and fundamental criticism with the system). By contrast the Muslims were putting the koran together almost immediately after Mo died. Plus there is a mountain of evidence that Mohammed existed and while there's some for Jesus, it's not exactly definitive. And please note I don't think either are accurate descriptions of the nature of the universe, I'm just trying to see why you don't embrace the more historically supported holy book.

>>23144968
>after all these months the jews still think I'm going to someday finally confirm or deny a single detail about my life
man you "idf" are dumb. Or have I been upgraded to being stalked by mossad?
This has to be at least the 20th time you've tried to bait me into giving you process-of-elimination PII
I especially liked the multiple IP tracker links you kikes made up just for me that I never clicked on. At this point you're not even confident you ever knew what state I'm in, huh?

>>23144992
we agree you're a dumb kike

>>23145057
You should tell your zipper tits wife that abortion is a jewish sacrifice to moloch, she didn't get the memo.

>>23145092
>please please confirm or deny something for once PLEASE!!!!
lol
Desperate kikes

>>23145159
Nice rap sheet, nigger :^)

>>23145092
names Yahweh, the 'Father' of Rabbi Yeshua "Jesus the Kike" bar-Yosef
you think jews sacrifice to a phoenician god, and not their own? lol