Thread 23152940

>I am going to become Eastern Orthodox
>Due to hearing arguments for it and spiritual experiences others have also shared
>And Jesus being a harmless sacrifice for the Jewish Priesthood over to the Romans fulfilling Old Testament prophecies and enabling the whole world access to faith in God

The world has unseen spiritual mechanics and the system is satanic with mainstream media and government, banks and education, modern Christians turned me away and the Catholics were no different and feel as what I seen from the Greeks is nothing but perfect in their Church tradition and monks priests and resistance to temptations and degenerate behavior plus the silent praying atmosphere compared to clown masses and rock band rednecks speaking in tounges

>>23152940 (OP)
>modern Christians turned me away
how so?
>compared to clown masses and rock band rednecks speaking in tounges
far from every group is like that anon. too many are in my opinion though.

>>23152941
Go to a Greek or Russian Church and see society brother. Plus I mentioned the cult like nature of Modern Protestant Christians with a watered down faith and hypocrisy. I'm basing things on what I seen. If given the state of Christianity in Canada you would understand.

>>23152940 (OP)
I was baptised Orthodox at birth but I know for a fact that the Catholic church is the True Church.

>>23152943
What fact would that be?

>>23152942
>Go to a Greek or Russian Church and see society brother.
i did spend some time at an orthodox monastery and liked it. i just dont believe that monasticism is proper. orthodoxy in generally has some theological and practical aspects that i dont agree with, though there will pretty much always be something we dont agree with no matter where we go, i admit that. if its the way you want to go then you should follow your conscience of course.
>a watered down faith and hypocrisy.
it can be like that anon i know. but its not the totality of Protestantism nor the totality of any particular church. every church group has a spectrum of believers within it, since, as we are told, the visible church is composed to sheep and goats, a mixture.
> If given the state of Christianity in Canada you would understand.
such a broad statement is neither useful nor particularly honest. there are absolutely the kinds of places you're talking about...and there are absolutely church containing a high proportion of very serious and committed believers for whom Christ is central to their lives. ive seen both here, and in every country where ive spent enough time to attend different churches for a while. its not as either/or as you're currently thinking

>>2315294442
Matthew 16:13-20
King James Version
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ."

>>23152945
Given you don't know anything about reformists being corrupt says something or your just ignoring reality, they aren't the true body of Christ passed down from the Apostles. And they are far from Catholics with their hiccups. I do go easy on them but the Papal fallacy and their track record differed my experience. I still read Lewis or Tolkien time to time.

>>23152947
ok anon, i see that you know everything already. i wish you well as you seek Christ. peace with with you.

>>23152946
It's like saying to any devout follower to gain the keys of heaven.

>>23152940 (OP)
Eastern Orthodox is literally ooga booga wigger nonsense

>>23152949
No its like giving Saint Peter the keys of heaven. Saint Peter is the Apostle that founded the Catholic church. He and his bishops and cardinals can allow and disallow things both in heaven and on earth.
Keys of heaven boyo

>>23152940 (OP)
I'm happy for you anon

>>23152946
Orthodogs...did Tradcats win with just one simple argument?

>>23152953
Ofc, the argument its bulletproof

catholics, next time you call the pope "holy father", remember:

And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

>>23152946
Woah, anon, no one has ever addressed these bible passages.
Let us know your take on the Fifth Ecumenical Council excommunicating Pope Vigilius, Pope Honorus I posthumously later on, or how Antioch was also set up by St. Peter even before Rome.
We accept, or used to, the bishop of Rome as first among equals due to the doubly apostolic status of the Roman see, and if you came back to the fold, he would retain this status.
But there is no infallible super bishop, which is evident in just the fact of how contradictory just Vatican I and II are. Not to even mention how the papacy no longer adheres to the claim that the Pope also has temporal supremacy as some kind of God emperor on Earth. It's all ridiculous and prideful evolution of dogma.
All the Apostles were given the Holy Spirit, St. Peter as first among equals, which we still honor by painting St. Peter with the keys in our icons.

>>23152940 (OP)
>I am going to become (((semitic subvariant cult 17b)))
>Due to (((youtube))) pushing it non-stop
>And (((saint paul and the other apostles))) saying I should renounce my family and God in favor of (((hashem)))
Do you get free benzos from the rabbi, or do you have to pay for them separately?

>>23152942
>christkek uses "cult" as a negative
You really are just atheists with extra steps.

>>23152946
>t. some jew

>>23152956
Saint Peter was called specifically by name by Jesus himself
Furthermore the Orthodox church accepted Papal supremacy in the 15th century

>>23152940 (OP)
Welcome, first order of business you must protect your people and honor the ancestors.
Second, even if a nigger is a christian it does not mean he is your brother.
Remember that Orthodoxy varies between nations, we do not have a gay pope, hence if an orthodox bulgarian for example wants to raid my village I will murder him in the name of God.

>>23152960
>Furthermore the Orthodox church accepted Papal supremacy in the 15th century
You're thinking of uniates, a schismatic heterodox sect, if this is your claim. Classic word concept fallacy.
Even your Pope doesn't claim Papal Supremacy anymore. Go and check out what the Chieti document, signed and approved by the Pope, says about whether the Pope exercised canonical authority over the churches of the east in the first millenium.

>>23152961
>you must protect your people and honor the ancestors.
Based.
May I see a verse in the new testament where goyim are required to do this?

>>23152961
>if a nigger is a christian it does not mean he is your brother.
So does orthodoxy simply reject the pharisee saul from tarsus who wrote half the books of the new testament? That doesn't sound very ortho-dox, if you catch my drift.

>>23152963
I dont give a shit if it says it in the goybook or not, it is what is tought here from generation to generation and it is as such a part of serbian Orthodoxy. The word of Elders is more important than the goybook.

>>23152964
When it's about denying circumcision they listen, that and denouncing ethnophyletism

>>23152963
Sola scriptura did not exist before the reformation.
The early Church tradition that spawned the bible is also critical in interpreting it.
It's natural that you'd lose your faith adhering to such a rootless and absurd notion as sola scriptura.

>>23152964
Like I said we hold the basis that Jesus is God Father, Son and Holy Spirit, everything else is up to us.
A nigget christian is tolerated as in I will not murder him but if he comes to live here it's a problem.

>>23152946
cue seething protgoloids and orthodogs

>>23152969
Faggot mudslime detected.

>>23152940 (OP)
People aren't going to change their mind about their religion if you can't type proper sentences.

>>23152970
I'm Catholic you retarded balkan shitskin

>>23152963
>>23152964
Orthodoxy is basically slavic paganism with Jesus as God, that's it. It's why we have heavy focus on ancestors and blood.

>>23152972
Heretic detected.

>>23152974
But "Slavic paganism with Jesus" is not heresy, got it, thanks cigan

>>23152973
That's an insane cope

>>23152976
Yes, my Faith is based yours is gay and heretical. Problem?

this is the first thing Greeks do when they get Constantinople back from the Latins, proving that they are the rightful Christian culture, right hemisphere leaning.

>>23152977
Ok maybe i should've been specific, SERBIAN orthodoxy is slavic paganism with Jesus as the Allfather/Supreme God. I dont know what other Orthobros do.

>>23152979
No problem at all

>>23152983
One of ur brothers i presume? Kekw

>>23152943
besides every other degenerate aspect of catholic customs they have the fucking filioque. Those degenerate fucks have no ideea about christianity

>>23152982
I somehow get the idea that you'd love straight up paganism more than christianity, you seem to like it when it fails to assimilate you, and you in turn change it. Perhaps it's time to come clean?

>>23152984
No it's a Serbian native but understable you confused him with an Arab migrant

>>23152962
No in talking about the emperor of Constantinople and the Patriarch of the Orthodox church going to Venice and later Florence and accepting all the catholic demands from Filioque to Papal Primacy

>>23152940 (OP)
Reminder that the head of the Orthodox Church is nothing but a low ranking Turkish government official

>>23152951
The keys of heaven ended with Peter. Apostolic succession is a construct of men and there is no evidence for it, you have to take leaps of faith that it was intended like that AND that it was handed down . So yes I take the 12+1 apostles seriously, but I will NEVER listen to the Pope while he pushes the globohomo agenda forward.

>>23152986
I am in heart a pagan. But by tradition and ancestors who died carrying the cross, I must honor Jesus.
>>23152987
That's a gypsy you lying fag, that's your brother wearing a serbian shirt to assimilate himself so the locals wont smash his head in kekw

>>23152989
Which Orthodox church bongoloid?
There's many, all with different heads.

>>23152985
Filioque means that the Holy Spirit proceeds from YHWH and Jesus alike. The Orthodox, in their foolishness, dare to take something from Jesus clinging on random traditions.
Jesus said: The Father and I are the same

The man with the keys of heaven say you must vaxx! Don't question it goy

>>23152967
Elaborate on Sola Scriptura please, I find your take interesting.

>>23152993
Jesus is a tri-God. One God, 3 personalities. Basically it's the slavic God Triglav .

>>23152990
You wut? Laying of hands for bishops in an unbroken chain from Peter to pope Leon.
Orthodoxy is not even united in itself so it cant be universal whilst the Catholic church is the universal church.
Deal with it

>>23152988
You don't understand our system. We don't have a Pope and one patriarch or the emperor doing stuff has no bearing on what Orthodoxy is. Our Church system of governance is decentralized.
Say the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew went ahead and said he's uniting with the papacy tomorrow. It'd have literally no bearing on any of the other Patriarchates, and any of his direct underlings would be justified in saying that Bartholomew has defected from the faith.
They would not need to follow said Patriarch, because one old man, or emperor for that matter, does not define our faith. They'd just become uniates and we'd say, ok bye.

>>23152993
God=Jesus=Holy spirit, Not Jeses=God>Holy spirit
If you dont agree to the fucking trinity then you're a filthy heretic, nothing better than a scientologist

>>23152996
No, its just that you're theologically illiterate
Jesus is a separate being than God The Father and the Holy Spirit. All these 3 persons are of the same nature (divine). Jesus is the Word of God, the Only begotten Son of Yhwh, God the Father.
Your slavic god cocktail needs not apply

>>23153000
You are retarded and spouting heresy.

>>23152989
>head of the Orthodox Church

>>23152998
Back in the 15th century Orthodoxy meant the Patriarch of Constantinople. Period.
The emperor of Constantinople had all the rights to concede to the Catholic church as the Schism was perpetuated by the eastern roman emperor and his Patriarch. The Bulgarian, Serbian or Mosocw church didnt matter in the question.
The current orthodox churches are not in comunion with Rome nor with the other Orthodox churches.
If you think that Jesus appointed a church that doesn't have Peter or any of the Apostles and was under the turks/mongols for centuries, you're giga optimistic

>>23152995
The most basic example:
Many pentacostals and charismatics base their system on a single passage about being overcome by the holy spirit and speaking in tongues.
Even a cursory look at what that means, either linguistically or in the early Church context, would tell you that "speaking in tongues" did not mean speaking gibberish or writhing on the floor. The Holy Spirit allowed those present to understand what was said in their own language.
Beyond that we can look at what was deemed heretical by the early Church. Immediately every Millenialist system such as Dispensationalism is invalid, every "new prophecy" is invalid due to Montanism being deemed heretical, Jehovah's Witnesses because Arianism was deemed heretical.
All these nonsense denominations are just the same heresies coming up again because the reformation uprooted the Church from tradition. It's retarded.
The books don't just say what they mean and mean what they say.

>>23152999
The Holy Spirit proceeds from YHWH and Jesus
The Holy Spirit doesnt go through Jesus like a conduit but instead derives from Jesus as well.
If you dont grant this to Jesus you have some explaining to do at the Judgement day.

>>23153004
You are an idiot and do not understand what Orthodoxy is.
Don't respond to me ever again.

>>23153007
How about an argument you ruskie nigger
When Rome was the centre of Christianity for 300 years Constantinople didnt even exist
The orthodox claim is non existent just like your aegument

>>23153001
What heresy nigger its the dogma of Calcedon

>>23153007
Orthobros...the ummah is weak...

>>23152940 (OP)
Congratulations on tying your worldview and understanding of truth to a bunch of genital mutilators defeated by chariots who preach becoming an eunuch and giving everything to the kikes I guess. You really should however ditch the superstitious crap and become a neoplatonist instead.

>>23152945
You have like 5 Bibles that contradicts each other, and as far as I know you faggots at /pol/ love king James version, the version that doesnt condem Jews as the enemy of Mankind , the Evangelist heretical way.

>>23153008
Your entire premise is built on presupposing Papal supremacy.
It's literally as retarded as a protestant saying Sola Scriptura is valid because the bible says so or a muslim saying the koran is valid because the koran said so.
If Papal supremacy was valid then even the singular excommunication of Pope Vigilius by the Fifth Ecumenical Council would be IMPOSSIBLE.
But it happened.
And now the papacy is going full retard, which is what we said would happen because the system is built on sand, and you retards still go on being lawyers for the demons in Vatican instead of rejecting them.

>>23153011
Neoplatonism means talmudism post Sabbatai Zvi, the Jewish Messiah
Or maybe Issac Lurias kabbalistic garbage
Or maybe you mean the nonsense that is Meimonides.
Spare us your dualistic manichean drivel.

>>23153013
My argument doesnt rest on a preposition that the pope is the bestest.
Instead my argument rests on Jesus specifically giving the keys of heaven and power to loose and bind whatever it liked to Peter and his church which is clearly the Catholic church.
This is why the church was right to sell indulgences and do whatever because it had license directly from Jesus.
Argue against the chapter if you must but stop acting like its a settled matter.
Rome never fell against the Muslims thus the gates of Hades did not prevail against it.

>>23153015
>This is why the church was right to sell indulgences and do whatever because it had license directly from Jesus.
If they bring back sacred prostitution would it be fine, cause the pope said it?

>>23152940 (OP)
I tried to be a christian but couldn't keep lying to myself that I am, perennialism makes much more sense to me than christianity

I was a cradle Catholic but became Orthodox in 2021

>>23153016
The pope wouldn't but ad absurdum yeys it would be.
What part of "whatever you loose or bind on earth will be loosed or bonded in heaven too" dont you understand. Literally whatever goes. Why? Because its the true church and Jesus said so. Its a priceless gift. A lowly parish priest in poland can condemn you to eternal torment with no recourse.

>>23152940 (OP)
I consider Abrahamic beliefs to be 3rd world.

>>23153013
>>23153019
I would like some orthodox consultation on this, do both have hierarchies that claim total power granted by God?

>>23153021
The orthodox cant claim universal authority due to their internal dis-organisation. Each orthodox church has jurisdiction only in their own country and over their own nationals. An edict of a Bulgarian bishopric is null and void for anyone outside Bulgaria.
Imagine claiming to be Catholic (universal) yet have jurisdiction smaller than any Catholic Bishop or Cardinal.

>>23152974
I mean catholics are the main christians. I don't obviously accept Christianity but it's a joke for any other Christian to call a Catholic a heretic.

>>23153024
Think of it as shia attacking mohammed and aisha

>>23153000
No, the other anon is right. your terminology is not correct here. Jesus is NOT a separate Being. Thats basic Nicean Theology, which settled on the term homousias, meaning that the Father and Son are of the same Substance. Now, the way to say it is that Jesus is a distinct Person from the Father and the Holy Spirit, but that they all share the full Being or Nature of God.

>>23153012
im afraid you are not correct but i invite you provide your evidence and then we can proceed

>>23153021
We believe the Holy Spirit guides the entire Church, but Normative authority is reserved for the synods of bishops in the ecumenical councils. As they debate and suss out the Truth, it is through the Holy Spirit.
Namely we refer to the first seven ecumenical councils that formed the core doctrines of the Church.
We maintain that the early Church teachings have remained the same throughout these, and at most the terminology has been fleshed out.
There is no room for obvious doctrinal development like we see with the papacy turning obviously fake and gay.

>>23153023
I should have used God the Father instead of YHWH that is indeed our Tri-One (une) God

>>23153024
or it might be that you dont have a clear understanding of the situation

>>23153028
thats ok anon. speaking about what is the highest revelation of Gods nature isn't an easy thing. please dont think i was trying to nitpick you. its just that getting our terms straight goes a long way toward stopping the mouths of those that reject the doctrine of the Trinity

Having a lot of denomination is intentional. It stated quite clearly in the bible that the church will devour the entire world using those various denomination.

>>23153029
Largest denomination of Christianity by a margin.

Welcome brother in Christ to the church.

>>23153024
You do understand that by this argumentation we would have to accept Islam as the one true faith, since it is larger than Catholicism.
Numbers don't determine truth.

>>23153032
and you think that means what?

>>23152940 (OP)
aren't orthodox churches ethnic enclaves of whatever, greek, russian, indian etc. and do all their services in those languages?

>>23153032
its also the newest besides all the meme shit like protestantism that spawned due to how horrid the catholic church really was.
its just a tool for a power hungry clique of people that think theyre above all else, the greatest scam of them all, martin luther did nothing wrong in this regard but what that caused later was a mess with no coherence.

>>23153034
>>23153035
I mean I am a Muslim if you saw my flag. But that's not my argument. I'm saying that numbers prove that it is the most authentic form of Christianity. You guys can disagree with me but to call Catholics heretics as any other denomination of Christianity just strikes me as dumb and tone deaf

>>23153036
The early Church recognized distinct nation states and peoples, yes.
Aren't we just the worst.
But you'll definitely find parishes that do service 95% in the vernacular. It's usually when the Church is young in any nation that it does service in a foreign language.

>>23153038
if a group of muslims went to a pagan land like india and partly adapted the natives beliefs into their own, would they still be real muslims? because thats what catholics did

>>23152940 (OP)
I'm not the only one who thinks Orthodox Priests look exactly like pharisees and some rabbis, right?

>>23153040
Ok so what's the most pure and uncut form of Christianity then.

>>23153039
that's fine, if you're doing it in the nation you're from, but doing it in other nations is kind of retarded and self defeating, this is the primary reason I haven't been to any orthodox church, they're all enabling little immigrant pockets wherever they're situated, none of them are just "the orthodox church" they're greek, eastern, syrian, etc.

>>23153030
Thank you

>>23153038
>. I'm saying that numbers prove that it is the most authentic form of Christianity
yes, thats your obvious assumption. im asking why its correct.
What if bare numbers don't prove the truth or goodness of something? For example, the best selling newspaper in the UK for years was called The Sun, and it was full of the most egregious garbage and pictures of nude girls. I dont think thats a great example of truth and goodness.

>Orthodox
>Infiltrated by an agency of a hostile atheist 3 letter organization, head Patriarch of Moscow being an agent of said 3 letter agency with the country its based in run by a former member of the 3 letter agency
Good goys following what their judeo-bolshevik masters told them.
>>23153042
Some form of Protestantism since they try to follow Christ's teaching as closely as possible by sticking to scripture alone rather than adhering to shit like the council of Chalcedon.

>joining a religion you're not ethnically related to
gay

>>23153043
It's at the heart of our Church system.
The faith is the same, the people are different.
Eventually, there will be an American Orthodox Church more than in just name only.

>>23153048
taking their sweet time

>>23153045
Alright maybe I was wrong you nerd relax

>>23153049
Can't be too careful.

>>23152940 (OP)
You are gay

>>23153042
you know what im going to say
>>23153046
theres more than the russian church, besides, what youre saying doesnt change worship or tradition in the slightest.
>protestantism
aka 100k different things with zero cohesion and made up traditions or traditions picked from the country it was founded in, nothing better than catholicism that kept borrowing pagan beliefs.

>>23153050
I AM RELAXED!!!1

>>23152940 (OP)
Good
Orthodox Christianity contrasts very much with all of the clown world.

Focus on money? Go away
Focus on women, status, meaningless things which you lose anyway before or at death? Go away
Focus on yourself and do what you want? Go away
Put away all of tradition and invent everything? Go away
Abortions, drugs, porn, hate, fear, judgement? GO AWAY

Orthodoxy is just... like a breath of fresh air...
like tangible hope... like honey on the miserable soul which has to deal with modernity...

fun fact: Orthodoxy is the single only religion, in which most of the converts are men, in all other religions, including Roman Catholicism, it's mostly women
Pretty telling, huh?

>>23152997
how's it going vaxxie? You didnt reject your moral obligation to get vaccinated by the deadly and totally read COVID-19 did you?
I noticed Catholics ALWAYS ignore my posts about how the Vatican mandated the vaxx, and how the Pope decreeing it a moral obligation meant to countless millions of Catholics not being able to make a religious exemption at their workplace mandates. The Pope directly lead millions to inject that satanic gene modification into their blood. But it's the ONE TRUE HOLY CHURCH, just trust me bro

>>23152940 (OP)
don't do it for the appearances, do it because you want to know Christ.

>>23153057
THAT is exactly right. its easy to be attracted to the outward appearances of a thing.

>>23153056
Im a pureblood boyo

Is this the thread?
one where the cube shills cannot take hold?

>>23152940 (OP)
>I follow le based zombie jew sect because russians said it was based and trad online

>>23153026
Example

>>23152943
welcome home and God bless you

>>23152940 (OP)
Eastern religions:
>There are many paths to enlightenment
>Explore and find one that works for you
>They all teach forms of meditation at least
Christians:
>just like have faith bro
>how, I want to, but I feel nothing
>just like pray or whatever idk
It's worse with protestants but be careful, this cultural attitude has crept into orthodoxy in the US as well.

You'll know you've caught a glimpse of God when you find yourself overwhelmed by love and peaceful joy, half laughing, half crying from relief, a feeling of being accepted, forgiven, embraced with unconditional love. Understanding the meaning and nature of universal love and forgiveness, genuinely feeling radical, unconditional love for all life, perceiving God's presence in absolutely everything; all of this all occurs naturally from encountering God. An encounter that lasts seconds might leaving you feeling more Christ like for a week. One that lasts minutes might stay with you for years. The goal is to encounter God in every prayer, and eventually grasp his presence in every waking moment.

When you encounter an experience like this remember it, embrace that longing for it. Make it your anchor and goal in all spirtual practice. When you encounter it, approach it with devotion and surrender. This emphasis is what Christianity is missing and it cannot possibly be emphasized enough. Orthodoxy is better but still dances around it. Vain repitions are worse than doing nothing, they placate one who could instead be better guided to seeking God earnestly. God absolutely must be experienced directly and perceived in all things for one to truly become Christ like.

>>23153062
ok, im looking at in about 35 different translations in english. whats you poiint?

>>23152940 (OP)
>compared to clown masses and rock band rednecks speaking in tounges
isnt that an exclusive american thing?

>>23153064
please look up what the bible has to say about "the queen of heaven".
spiritual adultery is a serious issue.

>>23152945
Christianity IS the ascetic path, there's no way around it, and monasticism is a pure form of that.

You can still try to live an ascetic life anywhere and that's also blessed but the model is monastic life as Christ modelled it, he owned little, fasted, was celibate, lived among his brotherhood, accepted people and then withdrew to pray in deserted and quiet environments.

>>23152940 (OP)
Uh, good luck with that bro

>>23152946
>Caesarea Philippi
>upon this rock I will build my church
its almost like Jesus was standing at a big mountain that was known for pagan worship in the area.
mountains are high places of worship to false gods throughout scripture. something you should ponder about.

>>23152963
how about the fucking commandments?

>>23153070
>>23152940 (OP)
Even though Im inclined towards pagan views, if you're going to be a christcuck orthodox are the least retarded. Just dont turn on your own people.

>>23153069
>monastic life as Christ modelled it
not really. He lived out in the world. Didn't hide from it and didn't tell His disciples to do that either. i know monasticism it looked up to in orthodox countries but i just dont see it as being a more pure or higher form of being a Christian.

>>23153065
>This emphasis is what Christianity is missing
lol what? read the bible, all points you listed are in there and fundamental parts of being a christian.

>>23153074
He walked in the world to teach and get people to follow him, laypeople are not expected to live identically to monks but they are called to live ascetically in order to battle their passions, that's the first of three steps which are catharsis, photisis and theosis, if you don't defeat the worldly things you can't achieve the first step.

>>23153076
>they are called to live ascetically in order to battle their passions
sure, fully agree. discipline that flesh! But its not going to save you.

>>23152940 (OP)
it is time to rise, dance and worship.

>>23153076
>battle their passions
>if you don't defeat the worldly things
being born again in the Holy Spirit automatically achieves this. there shouldnt be a struggle with passions and battle against worldly things since God already overcame them.

>>23153079
thats not true anon. Sure, sometimes God removes certain things entirely as a gift. many people say that about all kinds of besetting sins - drugs, homosexual desires, you name it. just gone. But struggling against certain things is also quite Biblical. We are not made perfectly sinless in this life because we have two natures still - the new and the old.

>>23152940 (OP)
>silent praying atmosphere
Nigger you have never been to an EO Divine Liturgy in Australia and it shows. They are full of sandniggers and loud as fuck. If you want silence go to a Catholic traditional Latin Mass.

Stop being ignorant and obtuse

>>23153077
It's a synergy, the best fish can do is fight and swim against the current, only the dead fish get carried by it, from thereon it's in God's hands.

>>23153082
i think we agree on lots of things anon. glad to talk with you. Christ have Mercy!

>>23152943
Amen

>>23153065
>There are many paths to enlightenment
>Explore and find one that works for you
>They all teach forms of meditation at least
Doesn't it prove that they are false?
>just find what you like that's like path to God
As to the rest idk. I've read testimonies of many people who said that they never ever had any experience with God, no matter how hard they tried. I pray and believe, even though I've never received any answer. I don't believe because I long for the feeling you describe. I do it because I prise the one and only true Lord.
>>23153079
We are supposed to carry the cross, and die in Christ everyday. How that would make any sense if Holy Spirit just took them away?

>>23153080
its a process for sure, you are not made instantly perfect. I am well aware of that.
you should still produce fruit. battling over the same passion time and time again without any result seems alarming to me. at some point your ego just has to take the back seat.

>>23153085
>We are supposed to carry the cross, and die in Christ everyday. How that would make any sense if Holy Spirit just took them away?
easy, the Holy Spirit shows you the things of the Spirit and not of the world. you will hate living in this evil age every day of your life but still have to put up with it anyway. its the longing for Christs appearance and the new heaven and new earth. patience and endurance are the hardest virtues to attain for me personally.

>>23153086
>you should still produce fruit.
oh for sure anon, definitely. but as we know, some produce more than others and at different times

>>23152940 (OP)
become atheist like thunderf00t and sargon, all that really matters is our vidya.

>>23153088
they truly are high quality role models

>>23152943
>the denomination that I ascribe to is the correct one
what a shocking coincidence, seems to be par for the course with christianity

>>23153086
>patience and endurance are the hardest virtues to attain for me
Virtues can help eachother and are deeply interconnected, it's fine if you have weaknesses in some and cultivate others, for example love which is considered the highest virtue and most challenging to attain can be helped by discernment, another high virtue, because without that love can be naive, misguided and indulgent, it helps you focus your love and not spend it dry foolishly.

So virtues can help you fulfil other virtues, hope as another example goes well with patience because it keeps it from becoming bitter and frustrating.

>>23153090
well sure. why else would you choose it? but, its more complicated than that really. for example, i consider some of the teachings of the roman church to be absolute unbiblical heresy....but, i dont judge individual catholics by that standard, because there are true followers of Christ mixed in there. there are many catholics that dont really believe in those things but still trust in Christ and simply ignore the bits they dont like. Only Christ knows who His sheep really are.