Thread 23262577

is /pol/ a christian board?

>>23262577 (OP)
To be a Christian you must force yourself to believe in miracles.
How can anyone believe in miracles? That is fairy tale shit

>>23262577 (OP)
Christians are fun to bully. Theyre a joke in 2025 and nobody takes them seriously.

>>23262577 (OP)
Does anyone really have time to go to church anymore?

>>23262580
Its on a Sunday though
Most people are just sitting in their homes

there are Christians here

>>23262577 (OP)
It’s a Jewish board

>>23262577 (OP)
every big strawpoll i've seen on this topic since 2012 has shown 40% of the board is Christian, then the 60% is split between religions like atheism, paganism, hinduism, muslim, judaism, etc.

>>23262578
One of the attributes of God is the All-Powerful, so He can do miracles. Your logic is invalid.

>>23262578
what are miracles?
>uhhh i don't know man
how about "weird things happening that shouldn't but aren't actually logical impossibilities."
>uhh sure whatever
physicists say the universe can be conceived of as a vast, digital computation device, or as the output of a deterministic or probabilistic computer program. basically we live in a simulation, like a videogame
>ugh, what's your point?
videogames have cheat codes and developer tools, the dev could do some weird stuff (miracles) if they wanted to
>uhhh why are you roleplaying a conversation with me? what's wrong with you?
atheists are boring and getting to this point naturally would've been tedious.

>>23262586
>uh well if I define the supernatural as actually not being logically im-
Opinion discarded, get a clue, lackwit

>>23262577 (OP)
That is a question for each individual to answer for him or zer self.

>>23262583
This really is more accurate, if you consider actual ownership and/or control.

>>23262585
The god of the Bible is not all powerful.
But yes he can do miracles, so your point stands.

>>23262579
>Theyre a joke
Just like you

>>23262587
on what basis do you define supernatural acts as logically impossible?
>w-w-well... y-you can't prooooo--
note that you can't cower behind the shield of agnosticism if you're making a knowledge claim that it is impossible for a supernatural agent to exist.

chritianity is just another mask anon put on to troll people.

I wish Christianity was true honestly, but yeah I dont believe in miracles.

>>23262590
depends on how we're defining all-powerful.
the title PANTOKRATOR (greek form of the latin omnipotent) is used a ton in revelation for God. (1:8, 4:8, 11:17)

if you're saying He's not all powerful because He can't do logically impossible things like making a square circle, married bachelor, or allowing for the existence of free will without the possibility of evil, then i'd take issue with that since the inability to do things that can't logically be done wouldn't take away from an entity's claim to be able to do all things, since impossible things aren't things.

>>23262594
is that your biggest hangup?
a precommitment to naturalism?

>>23262596
yeah it is

>>23262595
> depends on how we're defining all-powerful.
Probably, but I don’t think you helped anything.
If you are trying to claim god can do anything that doesn’t result in contradiction, then that is a different god than the one in the Bible.

It only makes sense to call him all-powerful if you mean “god has all the powers one can have, but not necessarily all the (logically consistent) powers one can imagine”, but that gets reduced to
>God can do the things that God can do
Which doesn’t help anything.

>>23262595
Forgot to point out, God actually does violate logic with his miracles in the Bible, so your definition is even less useful.

>>23262596
i just won't worship a gay jew. fuck that shit

/pol/ is a chaos bored...

>>23262578
>How can anyone believe in miracles? That is fairy tale shit
Glad to see you are a logical fellow.

>>23262598
saying "God can do all things that are logically possible" isn't circular, it's a meaningful boundary.
for example "creating a square circle" isn't a power, it's a contradiction in terms.
it's not a limitation of God's power, but a limitation of language and logic.
as for the biblical portrayal, the term pantokrator used in revelation (and elsewhere) aligns with the philosophical view of omnipotence i'm using, supreme authority over all creation and not the ability to violate logic.
so yes, God can do all things, but "things" here means coherent actions and not nonsense like deep frogging a spaghetti eleventy on decibel blue.

>>23262578
>fairy tale
ESL r/atheist migrant

>>23262603
Are you a bot or just retarded? You are arguing against something I never claimed and have in no way addressed anything I did say.

This isn’t even a strawman of my position, it’s a pure hallucination of a position that was not offered.

>>23262605
Hmmm that was weird, my memeflag changed.

imagine worshipping a jew

>>23262599
miracles, by definition, suspend or override natural laws, like gravity or biology, not logical principles like the law of non-contradiction.
for example, Jesus walking on water defies physics, not logic. it's extraordinary but not incoherent.
a logical contradiction would be something like "God both exists and doesn't exist at the same time in the same way" or "God creates a burrito so big He can't lift it," which wouldn't be miracles, as they're logical impossibilities and not actions at all.

>>23262607
Tranny, jewish, or jeet

>>23262608
>>515075255
The multiplication of the fishes and the loaves violates the law of identity (1=1)
But that not really relevant to the discussion, just an expansion on the weakness of your argument.

>>23262605
>ree you're misrepresenting me
if you say so

>>23262872
the law of identity states that "a thing is itself."
that 1=1, or more formally A is A.
the multiplication of loaves and fishes doesn't violate that principle, it's not claiming that one loaf is simultaneously one loaf and also multiple loaves.
it's describing a transformation or multipilcation event, not a contradiction in idenitty.

miracles like that challenge our understanding of causality and natural law, but they don't violate logical coherence. if they did, they wouldn't be miracles, they'd be nonsense. that's the distinction i've been trying to draw. suspending physical laws is not the same as violating logical principles.

if you think the biblical portrayal of God implies a kind of omnipotence that does include logical contradictions, i'd be interested to hear how that's supported scripturally or philosophically.
note that most atheist philosophers concede that omnipotence wouldn't imply the ability to do impossible actions. (which i guess wasn't what you were really arguing earlier? i actually have no idea what your point was now)

>>23262908
>going all-in on a tangent I already said was not relevant after some weird hallucination in lieu of a real response previously

Fix you stupid fucking bot.

>>23262927
what tangent?
i was directly responding to your misunderstanding of the law of identity.

are you talking about the "deep frogging a spaghetti eleventy on decibel blue" earlier as a hallucination?
i was purposely writing out gibberish in an effort to demonstrate that that's exactly all things like "making a square bachelor" are, just words put together that purport to describe an actions but aren't things that can possible logically exist and therefore in inability to "do" them wouldn't take away from an entity's claim to being omnipotent/all-powerful/pantokrator.

instead of being upset that i'm not understanding what you're trying and failing to communicate, maybe you should try phrasing it in a different way.

Biggest retard on the fucking planet lmao

>>23262577 (OP)
No