Thread 23445861

There is no god or afterlife and once you die it’s just nothingness for eternity.

Seems a pretty pointless post then, why aren't you doing something else with your time?

>>23445861 (OP)
God I hope so

>>23445861 (OP)
Source?

>>23445863
There is no god moron

>>23445861 (OP)
>He doesn't know about the time travelling Christian ASI that uploads souls at their last moments
>He's going to the black cube on Saturn instead of the resplendent cube on Earth II

>>23445861 (OP)
Incarnation is definitely real though. You are stuck here forever, nigger. Good luck, have fun.

>>23445866
Meds. Jesus never existed.

>>23445865
i could beat you in debate but i really dont see why i would. If you dont want to know you wont know. if youd rather get fucked and you dotn value your lfie, its your fuckin problem know what i mean? bitch :) theist chads dunk on you

>>23445861 (OP)
>says who?
>m-me... t-the atheists...
not very credible, are you?

>>23445861 (OP)
how do you know faggot?

>>23445861 (OP)
Nonexistence doesn't exist

>>23445861 (OP)
nice, eternal napping

>>23445872
Tell that to your consciousness after you die.

>>23445861 (OP)
You should kill yourself now and save yourself from the pain of working and growing old.

nobody knows what happens and anyone claiming to has a mental illness

>>23445861 (OP)
there is only one soul and time is an illusion. once you die you experience another life but not necessarily on earth or in the present. you have already lived all lives every lived in all possible timelines - you just don't know it...yet.

>>23445877
This is correct

>>23445877
We don’t have souls moron

>>23445861 (OP)
>nothingness
that is not real. you cannot experience nothing after you die lmao fckn brainlets man

>>23445874
>tell it to your consciousness
So consciousness would exist?
Thanks for the confirmation

>>23445878
Looks like kabbalah to me. Pass.

>>23445861 (OP)
This is true. But the fact you frame it like this or think a daily reminder is necessary makes you a faggot.
Religion is just a collection of moral philosophy, and god is the object lesson. If you define yourselfe by the presence or absence of god, you missed the point. The point is the wisdom in the teachings, not the justification or the characters or the historic accuracy of the texts. You wouldn't say aragorn is not a good role model because he didn't exist.
Take religion for what it is, the greatest collection of wisdom and moral teachings ever to be written.

>>23445881
Yeah it’s called your brain moron. Nothing else.

>>23445861 (OP)
What's the probability of exactly nothing being true given an infinite number of possibilities?

>>23445861 (OP)
>just nothingness for eternity
nice not much of a change then

That's your opinion but I respect it

>>23445861 (OP)
>There is no god or afterlife and once you die it’s just nothingness for eternity.
The only valid reply to statements of this kind is to question the character, motivations and basic humanity of the poster. You're subhuman for posting it even if it were a meaningful and true statement (it's neither).

>>23445864
>>23445870
>>23445871
You will probably be the first to claim otherwise citing an old book as a source

>>23445888
Cope, seethe, and dilate. Nothingness awaits you soon.

>>23445873
>napping
no, you need a brain to nap. nothing is not like napping. nothing is all the time in between two planck seconds of your experience. if you were paused for 1 million years and resumed you wouldn't notice you were paused, provided everything around you looks the same. if would be an instant between the two moments

>>23445861 (OP)
In the UK they have cigarettes with pictures of cancer health problems on them, they are very graphic. This does not stop people smoking, because nobody thinks it will happen to them.

What you're trying to do here is also pointless, cause nobody thinks they are going to die anytime soon.

>>23445882
>it has circles and lines so it must be kabbalah
wrong. uts gnosticism

>>23445890
there is nothing to experience the fucking nothing

>>23445884
And who told you that? The little people in your head wearing lab coats, that you can't prove exist outside of your "mind"?

>>23445872
>Nonexistence doesn't exist
The most you can say is that nonexistence isn't a possible experience, but that only makes death sound more terrifying to those who grasp the implication.

>>23445861 (OP)
Believer or non-believer, religious or non-religious, it makes absolutely no difference. NOBODY knows what happens after you die. NOBODY. Anyone who claims anything different is lying. Simple as.

>>23445861 (OP)
denounce the talmud right now.

>>23445888
upboated

>>23445894
Yes and it awaits you anon. Be afraid.

>>23445874
Are you stupid or something? You don't have a consciousness when you die. You just sees to be

>>23445897
>NOBODY knows what happens after you die
Given what Westronners actually identify with, it's firmly and objectively established that "you" get annihilated when "you" die.

>>23445861 (OP)
Cool story bro
Christ is king
Repent

>>23445861 (OP)
>nothingness for eternity
Off is not just another TV station you know.

It's called oblivion. The same place you were before you were born. You return to that. Which should bother no one, but it actually bothers human beings enough that they invent sky gods to pretend it's not true.

>>23445903
How can someone that never existed be king? Makes no sense. You’re mentally ill.

>>23445861 (OP)
Probably true. I am not 100% about it though, because i don't buy into materialism.

>>23445861 (OP)
You're there, popping up randomly on a tiny spherical rock floating in the void, in the middle of nowhere, not understanding a thing about your surroundings or why you're here. You just know you exist, and from now on, you’ve got to survive.
You have a first person view, like you’re embodying some random character. Your whole life, you keep inflating and deflating two little organic sacs in your body, without even knowing why, doing it automatically.
In fact, everything you do is automatic: the slightest eye movement, feeling the need to eat, experiencing fear, moving your limbs just by thinking, or ending another creature’s life to chew its body with a row of hard little objects embedded in your mouth.
You came out of the slimy hole of a creature older than you, and that’s exactly why the one who birthed you feels a bond with you. Otherwise, that same creature would just watch you get torn apart alive by lions, munching on popcorn, lounging in the ferns, basking in the sun.
We humans tend to forget all this because we live in a developed world, far from thinking about these absurdities of nature. But deep down, we’re exactly the same, little piles of bones and flesh with slimy stuff inside that keeps twitching non-stop for a few billion seconds before giving out.
Rn, as I’m writing this, hundreds of thousands of animals are thrashing on the ground, bleeding out, slowly losing their sense of being. Others are trapped in a forest fire, feeling their skin disintegrate cell by cell while their mother can only watch them writhe in agony, screaming in death.
Even on a human scale, it’s unthinkable to get attached to someone knowing that, in a handful of seconds on the universe’s timeline, they’ll be getting eaten by tiny slimy things that wiggle, and all the memories they’ve built up are just a hard drive good for nothing but fertilizer.

>>23445861 (OP)
Prove it

>>23445907
This doesn’t bother you? Like what’s the point?

>>23445861 (OP)
And in all this, or rather, in this “NOTHING”, you’ve got people who believe in good and evil, that “bad guys” go to hell, others who worry about their social image, some who want to “be somebody,” to “leave something behind. In reality, they’ll leave nothing except some crap in their underwear that the funeral home worker will have to clean up.
Religion, music, social relationships, even conspiracies, all of it is just there to romanticize our lives, consciously or not, to give them a sense of meaning when there isn’t one. Wild.
Even this post is meaningless, except for triggering some dopamine hit, just like you replying to it for the same reason. And all of it just to forget about it a few hours later.
It’s even crueler for us who have consciousness, getting “soaked” in life like a cookie dunked in milk, only to be pulled out of the milk afterward, this illusory life, and thrown back into the blackout. Life is just a 70 year bad trip.
And we can’t even dream of immortality because, in the end, the universe will meet its end.

>>23445861 (OP)
And? Isn't that exactly what a sensible being would hope for?

>>23445900
I literally don't care about the trillions of years until I come back again due to all of the possible configurations of the universe exhausting themselves and repeating this shit once more. I'm inevitable.
the problem is I wanna see where this shit is going. don't feel like changing the theme. what if coffee isn't a thing next time because it evolves into something else for some fucking reason?

>>23445861 (OP)
https://voca.ro/1mAqRaVEUWeZ

>>23445861 (OP)
yeah but I don't want that so it's not true

>>23445905
Hey Mr. Science Guy, no reasonable historian denies Jesus' existence. Your response?

>>23445907
>rock floating in the void,
Stopped reading. Nevermind that no member of your horde has a mind of his own or any ideas of his own; you can't even find words of your own to describe anything.

>>23445909
>What's the point
To love, unironically. Otherwise there's really nothing worth salvaging in this hellworld.

>>23445912
You won’t come back again moron

>>23445861 (OP)
Nah the elite know there is a god

>>23445901
It's 'cease' you illiterate tard.

>>23445902
Allow me to say once again: NOBODY knows...

>>23445861 (OP)
Yeah like you would know.

>>23445918
>trust me bro
you're 75 IQ dimwit, you don't know shit

>>23445861 (OP)
No but you all deserve that.

you mind (soul, essence) is like a flickering flame - a self-sustaining chemical reaction ... when the flame goes out it's over

>>23445922
Be quite and find god
Also wake up to your insides relationship with the outside

>>23445918
the mere fact that I exist proves it's possible for me to exist. see no reason why I won't again.

>>23445861 (OP)
>He still hasn't realized that what exists after death is a eternal dream of your own making.
>Your life experiences, beliefs, and knowledge are the only way you can make it cohesive and better as you are effectively your own god.
>All religions condemn you into a static hell by painting it for you and taking away your agency post-mortem.
I hope this helps, you are the god of your own reality nigga

>>23445923
Meds. Now.

>>23445861 (OP)
>There is no god or afterlife and once you die it’s just nothingness for eternity.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

>>23445929
Books. Now.

>>23445861 (OP)

Source: Demons trying to make you okay with your meaningless unlived life.

>>23445930
>inside brain
>you die when your brain dies
Take your meds low IQ moron

>>23445868

Source: Jews who deny Christ but somehow remember him enough to say he's boiling in excrement in hell for some reason.

>>23445930
OP is a fag but you're also a fag with that nonsense theory

>>23445909

ofc everyone is, religions are the very answer to all this nonsense, the ultimate cope. But what do you want us to do? Nothing, nothing exists, I don't exist and neither do you, we never existed. As I said below, life is just an illusory bad trip without any meaning of which you will have no memory and will have no trace in a blink of an eye of the universe, we are like maggots.

>>23445861 (OP)
Good. Fuck this gay existence.

>>23445937
And that doesn’t bother you in the slightest?

>>23445861 (OP)
>I don't believe in God but I believe nothingness and eternity are real
Kill yoursel, retard.

>>23445921
>NOBODY knows...
Given what Westronners actually identify with, it's firmly and objectively established that "you" get annihilated when "you" die.

>ALLOW ME TO SCREECH MY DELUSION AGAIN
Feel free to. It will immediately get stomped again by the objective truth.

>>23445940
No use worrying about something out of our control

>>23445941
Meds you low IQ brown skin

>>23445942
Jesus how many times are you gonna post that shit in threads you sound like a bot lol

>>23445861 (OP)
Been there done that,
>Buddhist education
>Died an atheist
>Saw hell heaven and Christ face to face.
>Came back
>Not an atheist anymore

>>23445946
Meds

>>23445883
>Take religion for what it is, the greatest collection of wisdom and moral teachings ever to be written.
>>23445883
Not only the greatest but especially the longest lasting chronologically continuous collection of wisdom. Religious themes are the decantation of the soul's most fundamental struggles.
Of course, a coward who rejects the soul like OP cannot accept this fact which drives him insane towards disorder.

>>23445948
It drives you crazy that there’s nothing huh? The soul is a man made silly idea. We’re just meat and bones you brown skin mentally ill moron

>>23445940
I cope with "Contemplationmaxxing", I just contemplate my environment with music

>>23445947
you'll be brought back by techno-religious-zealots and punished for being a faggot. you need to remember that information never gets lost in this universe. only scrambled up.

>>23445949
No one knows 100% for sure one way or the other that's all we know

>>23445945
>many times are you gonna post that shit in threads
As many times as your horde does the "NOBODY HECKIN' KNOWS" chant from Golem OS revision 2.0.

>>23445861 (OP)
They desire eternal life but don't know what to do with a rainy Sunday afternoon.

>>23445952
Then tell me why they made up ideas of the soul, afterlife, etc?

>>23445953
Know one does though anyone saying otherwise is just being arrogant and naive and it's just an opinion

>>23445947
Thousands of people had the same nde experiences

>>23445955
It's what people do they have deep introspective contemplation when they have lots of time on their hands. It's what humans do they think and try to formulate ideas and analyze things.

>>23445861 (OP)
But how do you know that?

>>23445958
Yeah but what kind of an insane person just wakes up one day and imagines he has a soul? Literally makes no sense.

>>23445861 (OP)
Yeah, but how is this political?

>>23445956
>NO ONE HECKIN' KNOWS THO
Given what Westronners actually identify with, it's firmly and objectively established that "you" get annihilated when "you" die. Also, you're effectively demonstrating my point that your sort is the closest thing there is to a literal flesh automaton with nothing that even remotely suggests the presence of a mind, let alone anything transcendental.

then why follow rules and let pedophiles rule over us?

>>23445962
>"you" get annihilated when "you" die
unless someone in the future makes another "you" kek

>>23445904
>after death you return to the same oblivion you were in before you were born
>before you were born
And nothing of note happened after that, did it?

>>23445861 (OP)
Judeohylic post
>>23445866
Total cube death
>>23445882
Jews stole and probably twisted kaballah, as with many other things they appropriated.
>>23445893
Gnostism can be a trap, beware

>>23445960
Not the most insane thing I've heard of you have people chopping off their genitals thinking they are girls now. Lots of cultures thought of the soul some think it's the consciousness etc etc some think it's located in different parts of your body like the brain or the heart etc etc I think it makes perfect sense they are just thinking of things in different ways which isn't good or bad it's just humans being humans and everyone is entitled to their options and beliefs.

>>23445955
>Then tell me why they made up ideas of the soul, afterlife, etc?
It's what naturally happens when certain groups of people are just barely smart enough for object permanence but not much else.

>>23445965
Nice mental gymnastics

>>23445889
Just curious…

Is it the fact that it’s “old” or the fact that it’s a “book” that is giving you problems?

>>23445969
Have an actual argument?

>According to the no-hiding theorem in quantum mechanics, information is never truly lost; it simply moves to the environment and can potentially be recovered. This principle suggests that all information remains conserved, even in processes that seem to erase it, such as black holes.
fucking retards all of you

>>23445962
Not all westerners live like hedonistic nihilists. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs you can get mad about it all you want it isn't gonna solve anything. You have your beliefs I have my beliefs let's leave it at that anon.

>>23445967
*Opinions*

>>23445861 (OP)
>nothingness for eternity

How do we know this for certain? If consciousness sprang from nothing several times, who's to say it won't again? The true horror is the possibility your life just repeats again and again for all eternity.

>>23445861 (OP)
Which is precisely what I tell people who are wasting their lives doing nothing, and especially those who want to kill themselves over trivial matters.
They need to understand that this is the one and only iteration of space and time; the sole spark of true sentience to ever arise. We are all a witnesa to a freak occurrence in existence, and out of the seemingly infinite galaxies and planets, sentience occurred on a small blue and green planet in a galaxy far from the omega point.

>>23445975
does it matter? did it matter this time around? were you bothered by the fact that you did this again? who fucking cares. enjoy life and try to improve everyone's life

>>23445975
If that is the case I guess coming back comes with having the mind wiped so I guess we wouldn't even know

>>23445976
so what? if anything that's proof this shit can happen again, or in other places in this unverse, at the same time

I honestly hope it's like dreams that would be amazing

>>23445976
>>23445975
>>23445974
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>>23445861 (OP)
Nah...
I believe in Valhalla (pic rel)
periodic temporary stays in afterlife followed by periodic reincarnations.

Reincarnation usually into the closest younger relative born after previous death btw.

A very simple and straightforward afterlife belief system

>>23445980
dreams need a functioning brain. you need to be manifested by something for fucks sake. you'll just instaskip to the next time you're somehow possible

>>23445981
I always did like that belief it is a pretty cool concept

>>23445977
I'm gonna enjoy life by raping your ass. Get over here.

>>23445982
What if dreams come from some other dimension and what if consciousness does though that would be pretty awesome

>>23445900
If there is no God how and when humans are made?

>>23445983
Indeed my anon fren

>>23445986
Take your meds

>>23445984
but you will pay for it eventually

>>23445861 (OP)
The tunnel of white light is tech to memory wipe and force your reincarnation into this prison planet.

>>23445973
>Not all westerners live like hedonistic nihilists.
Doesn't matter. Everything you identify with has already been traced back to the brain. You think it's part of some magical soul because your idea of a soul is just a magical piece of flesh that outlives the actual flesh. This is a golem idea of "spirituality". Your kind can't comprehend anything except by analogy to the material world.

>>23445991
the brain information is what will probably be extracted from the environment, rebuild you in the future and punish you for being a faggot. the information about (You) can be seen as your soul

>>23445970
It's the fact it has Jewish zombies in it is my problem. And no I'm not talking about the Christ, Yeshua

>>23445991
Brother you need to calm down let people believe what they want to believe you don't see me trying to push my will and beliefs on someone else just enjoy life

>>23445888
Christcucks try to enforce Jew morality on the goys

>>23445861 (OP)
>metaphysics

>>23445861 (OP)
Your shit thread got nuked yesterday because your arguments were so lame.

>>23445861 (OP)
Dreamless Weed Sleep feels good. It’s probably just that but not waking up after.

>>23445997
Quiet down blackie

>>23445994
>i have a heckin' right to spout my golem religion without anyone pointing out its true nature
You have no such right. Seethe.

>>23445996
soul politics

>>23445884
Did you ever find out where, exactly, in your brain memories are stored?

>>23445971
Yes: Youre a clump of cells that mutated into an embryo and you werent even sentient until your brain grew large enough

There's nothing before birth so why would there be anything post death?

>>23445888
holy trvthnvke of a post

>>23446000
I'm not saying anything about religion I'm just talking about spiritual beliefs you're the only one here seething just because everyone else has a different belief lol

>>23445861 (OP)
WRONG.

>>23446005
The idea of a magical heavenly flesh clone that serves as a backup mechanism for the functions of your actual flesh is not a "spiritual belief", golem.

>>23445999
>outclassed by a nigger
Must be an indian to be that pathetic.

>>23445866
if jesus or god is a real thing and he punishes you for not believing in him then it's flawed
you shouldn't be punished just beacuse you have a logical view on things. you can't prove god is real, therefore i 99.9985% don't believe in god, that 0.0015% chance is there, but it's highly highly highly highly unlikely. I only give him 0.0015% chance because i myself can't prove he isn't real.
your god is flawed, your religion is flawed and it's used for control. simple as.

>>23446008
>still hasn’t taken his meds
Many such cases!

>>23446003
>suddenly emerged from "eternal nothingness" once
>goes back to "eternal nothingness"
>can't happen again, surely

>>23446007
I didn't say anything about heaven you need to take a step back and control yourself you're letting your emotions get the best of you you're an adult act accordingly please.

>>23446011
Yeah cuz that same semen that made you is going to find you after you die to remake you. You’re retarded.

>>23446013
Well if there is infinite timelines then the possibility is always there that is if it works out that way who knows for sure though

>>23445861 (OP)
We are not bodies that happen to be conscious we are consciousness temporarily experiencing itself as a body. Death doesn’t erase you it just releases you from the narrow focus of physical perception. When the body stops awareness withdraws from the sensory stream and expands back into the greater field it always belonged to a boundless intelligence that underlies all reality. What follows isn’t “nothing” but a shift in the mode of being: the personal self dissolves into its higher continuum the way a wave merges back into the ocean yet never ceases to be water, you don’t vanish you remember what you’ve always been consciousness without boundary, exploring itself through infinite forms.

>>23446015
Source?

>>23445983
>>23446006
>>23446005
>>23446004
>>23445861 (OP)

Pets are also part of family btw.
Not genetically but emotionally.

So I believe souls can jump from humans into pets and vice versa thru the reincarnation cycles.

It's not just Therian furries who believe that.
It's part of core teaching of Buddhism and Western Occult as well.

Therefore Hasan might have been electrocuting one of his grandma's cousins. Who knows.

It's usually the closest human relative vessel available born after previous death .
In queue. Since many relative souls also have compete for an available next vessel in a queue

>>23445861 (OP)
how did we come from the void then? we were born once so it can happen again

>>23445861 (OP)
Cool. Only when we die, we go to nothingness. And we already were there, before we were conceived and born.

We will never be free off 4chan.

>>23445861 (OP)
I know it continues, sure it would be gay if we all suffered in this life for there to be nothing good after, but it would be even gayer if we continued to suffer after death regardless of what we believed. I believe everything is gay and retarded so that's the more likely scenario. Sorry OP, but this gay fucking existence doesn't just simply end when you die. Don't get your hopes up. You will be forever reborn in ever gayer universes.

>>23446018
>>23446019
Meds

>>23446017
That's a very interesting concept never thought of our pets being able to do that very thought provoking

>>23446012
>I didn't say anything about heaven
Neither did I, you dumb automaton. I can see I broke you.

>>23445861 (OP)
Again, sucks to be a hylic, I guess.

>>23445861 (OP)
The end of the matter, all that has been heard: fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the end of the matter for all mankind. For God will bring every work to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.
— Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

once dark energy is understood your concept of god will be obsolete faggots

>>23445897
however acting as if ther eis something is the only productive chocie therefore the only rational one, that, one can know

>>23445861 (OP)

Alexander the Great
Julius Caesar or any Roman Emperor
Monarchs
Napoleon Bonaparte
Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Winston Churchill

Jesus Christ

tell me these people haven't lived on after Death.

I still make references to and sometimes emulate family members who've passed. Tell me they haven't lived on somehow.

atheists are the dumbest people to ever have drawn breath.

>>23446023
>The idea of a magical heavenly flesh clone that serves as a backup mechanism for the functions of your actual flesh is not a "spiritual belief", golem.
You just did there anon. I think you really should just take a breather you got a lot of hate filled in your heart it's not good for you friend just enjoy life.

>>23446020
it may be in this same universe but things just get more gay over time

>>23446026
>once we have delayed things by one more layer the inevitable will be postponed forever
you are unintelligent

>>23445861 (OP)
>There is no god or afterlife and once you die it’s just nothingness for eternity.
Can science prove this?

>>23446031
god strike me dead if you're real and this anon is correct
I'll reply in exactly 20 minutes if i'm not dead
if i do reply in 20 minutes, it's proof he's fake

>>23446021
I accept your concession.

>>23446029
>You just did there
>provides a quote that doesn't mention heaven or imply anything about heaven
Mindbroken bot.

>>23445861 (OP)
Nothing else matters when there is a huge hyper cock shoved up your ass and through your intestinal tract

>>23446033
you strike me dead if you re real. if im alive in 20 minutes you dont exist

>>23446015
Quantum physics, NDEs, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Bardo Thodol, Hermetics, Gnostics, Nonlocal Consciousness Researches.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

>>23446034
fuck off randy

>>23446018
>how did we come from the void then?
"You" didn't. There's no way to form a coherent statement that ties some individual identity to whatever state of affairs you call "void".

>>23446035
You're so silly anon you just said heavenly in your own sentence that I green texted friend you need to please calm down you arguing with people isn't good for you nor will it serve any purpose you're quite actually wasting your time

>>23445861 (OP)
Actually we're in a simulation, when you die you go to a lobby then go next.

>>23446037
i never claimed to reach apotheosis though unlike your fairy tale men
nice try though

>>23446040
void state is when we did not exist. then suddenly we did

why could that not happen again?

>>23445861 (OP)
You don't know if this is actually true though. There's literally no way for you to know. At least religious people have thousands of years of the most wise among them agreeing that there is indeed a soul. You on the other hand have literally nothing to back up your claim

>>23446042
Proof?

>>23446044
See >>23446040. Keep re-reading it until you grasp what you're reading. I know this is very hard for people in your IQ range but you need to try hard and make Hitler proud.

>>23446045
We don’t have souls moron! It’s a man made idea of retardation

>>23446048
That's your opinion anon not a 100% absolute truth no one knows for sure but you are entitled to your own belief that's the cool thing

>>23445861 (OP)
I don't get the afterlife debate outside of people giga coping.
When I go to sleep I literally teleport to the next morning, death just means you go to sleep and don't wake up again. Like this is one of the easiest things to conceptualize and accept, I don't get why people struggle so much with it, sleeping is super chill.

>>23446041
>you just said heavenly
The statement you quoted doesn't say or imply anything about Heaven. It uses an adjective to describe whatever ethereal magic fleshbots like you try to immortalize their brain functions with.

>>23446049
Ok show me where in the body the soul is located?

>>23446044
This anon gets it. Your curious intellect is wasted on what essentially amounts to arguing with teenage goth girls. They don't really THINK about these things. They hear some one liners and lazily and passively absorb their entire existential view from this. It's a mental laziness and lack of imagination and curiosity. Anyone that considers existence for long enough all come to some similar conclusions about existence, such as the one you posted.

>>23445861 (OP)
>Nothingness for eternity
Implies that my consciousness remains extant but with zero input? How could you even measure time relative to nothingness?
>Rhetorical question, midwits plz no respond

>>23445861 (OP)
bullshit, you'll reincarnate and start over. you will experience pain for many lives until you will be smart enough to achieve what some call salvation. the learning process continues. you have a long way but it is doable... keep on truckin

>>23446051
Okay anon

>>23446055
Source?
>you have none
Oh ok

>>23446052
I can't because I don't know and if there is a way I don't know all I know is I know nothing. Anything is possible existence itself is proof of that.

>>23446046
You're asking for proof and yet you've provided none for your own claims. The irony is that you existing is proof enough of something, as opposed to nothing, but you are claiming nothing is all. Do you not see how midwit you are yet?

>>23446043
so either you cant, or you dont want to. it means you re not real accordsing to atheist logic

>>23446010
>Still no arguments
At least jews have pilpul.
My edgelord teen is more convincing than you.

>>23446050
its not sstruggle, its being smart. you dotn know. ther eis a god for sure and death seems prettymeaningless which opens up a possibility of something else.

>>23446055
>Source?
my own life and experience. you just have to believe bro

>>23445861 (OP)
So what?

>>23446033
12 minutes later and im still alive
go figure

>>23446057
>Source?
my own life and experience. you just have to believe bro

>>23445861 (OP)
But but I thought if am poor I go to heaven first, are you saying I've been poor all this time for nothing..

>>23445879
Projection, you may not, kike, but all the real humans here do

>>23445897
>NOBODY knows what happens after you die.
We all known because we all have been non-existing for billions of years already.

>>23446069
Show me where the soul is located on the human body moron

>>23446068
Kek

>>23446065
God doesn't kill his children but you can kill yourself and god will bring you back..

I will wait 20 mins to kill yourself, if you reply back then god is real..

>>23446071
It's okay you're a materialist friend you are entitled to your own beliefs

>>23445861 (OP)
sorry im sticking with the default intuitive belief of all cultures over the ramblings of someone whos own comprehension of the universe doesnt even work unless they invent a large quantity of invisible things to balance the math out

>>23445861 (OP)
>No proof.

>>23446073
retarded arguement
god isn't real, souls aren't real and the most likely thing that is happening is you live in a simulation. That would be the only fun thing and it's a low chance. Much higher than god being real, let's be real, still low as fuck.
Chances are when you die - POOF nothing. Just like before you were born - NOTHING at all. Your little brain can't understand the concept of absolute nothingness so you instantly go for the "oh god must be real" like most dumb poor people.

>>23445993
So you just have a fundamental problem with Christianity, you’re probably a kike

>>23446077
THIS
/thread

gotta go jack off not replying to this shit thread anymore
have a good one niggers

Yet another off topic thread that will not get drleted. 4chan is now an agenda, not a discussion biard.

>>23446077
That's the funny thing no one can even imagine nothing because nothing doesn't exist even the dark spaces of the zoid zone have something in it elementary particles there is always something.

>>23445861 (OP)
Your proof of this is as good as Christian’s proof of heaven and hell. But you’re too much of a prideful hateful worm to admit you also have no idea what happens after or why our universe even exists.

>>23446082
>i can't imagine a state of affairs therefore it isn't possible
Typical flesh automaton logic.

>>23445861 (OP)
lol. That’s cute. I’m sure you hope that’s the case. Imagine being so wretched in life that your only hope is no afterlife.

>>23446085
Cope memeflag

>>23446084
Just imagining darkness isn't the same as imagining nothing you're still imagining something ie darkness

>>23446013
>find you
>after you die
>to remake you
What are "you"?
You are, at your core, awareness/consciousness.
Awareness overlaid with constantly shifting sensory inputs, emotions, thoughts, memories, and behavioral patterns.
These things overlaying your core self create your ego or persona.
If by "you", you mean your ego instead of your core awareness, then that does cease at death. But it already repeatedly dies after every infinitesimal passing moment during this life.
Sensory inputs change.
Memories are lost, and false or distorted memories are gained.
Emotions change.
Thoughts pass by.
Behavior changes.
Awareness is the only Being, everything else is just endless "becoming".
You are not the "you" of 1 nanosecond ago, let alone the 5 year old version of "you"
They are already dead, have ceased to exist, yet here "you" are, aware despite wearing a different ego
The only difference between Death and these little deaths is the degree of ego change between the moments of awareness.

>>23445903
>Das Rite !!!!!!!!!!

>>23446085
> Imagine being so wretched in life that your only hope is no afterlife.
Imagine being so wretched in life that your only hope is that there is one.

>>23446087
I clearly keep prompting this broken bot out of distribution because it just keeps hallucinating shit.

>>23445861 (OP)
>nothingness
This is just as deluded as the christcucks

>>23446091
You are very full of yourself anon lol silly little man you are

>>23446092
>>23446093
Meds. Now.

>>23445862
Kek.
You nailed it.
Op is also an elitist know it all. Probably processes life's ups and downs from a total victim mentality and then through his unassailable Marxist ideology. Atheists are the most idealogically obsessed fucked up people.

so out of the eons of time I come into being as this consciousness right now, I dont know what was before as I have no concept of it, I have no concept of the beyond but I know I came into being, why when I cease to be will I not at some point in time again come into being? I dont understand why this is a 1 time only affair and why it couldn't possibly happen again. Most things in nature seem to be cycles or transform into part of another cycle.

They say the universe will one day experience ''heat death'' and everything will die and only fundamental particals will exist, but I dont really feel as though this is the case either, so youre telling me the entire universe dies and then thats it, every being that ever was returns to nothing, the universe itself returns to nothing and thats it for eternity? thats so gay it doesnt even seem plausible.

>>23445861 (OP)
so many non-believers. no wonder the west is going to hell in a handbasket. you need jesus. in case some of you dumbfucks decide to kill yourselves, don't. read this before. it's been tested and proven many times before... god is out there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Christian_theology)

>>23446094
Now this dude is probably a bot kek

>>23445862
I am doing exactly what God wants me to be doing.

>>23445861 (OP)
The Holy Bible, the literal Words of God, say otherwise.

>>23446097
Jesus never existed. It’s a myth for control moron.

>>23446100
>>23446099
These things don’t exist

>>23446101
how the fuck do you know dipshit? where you there? the west needs jesus, belief must be renewed

If you consider the zero sum universe from quantum foam fluctuations, the infinite multiverse being an infinite landscape of quantum foam fluctuations then you end up with an infinitely long cycle of universes coming into being on an infinite scale. Since you have an infinite number of universes then you have an infinite number of matter configurations or substrate. If for example you have numbers as concepts that exist within different substrates then you can have a stream of numbers. For example the number one exists as a concept when you look at one apple, if you isolate one cell within the apple, one protein, one molecule, one atom ect. Since a concept like a number can exist in different substrates. Then what is stopping more complicated concepts from reappearing in an infinite substrate? What would it take to stop your consciousness from reappearing in another substrate as long as there is some logical justification? If the substrate is infinite and the time frame is infinite? Essentially you get the babel library of consciousness where you exist as a consciousness for an infinite amount of time. Since you can’t experience non existence. That completely debunks christcuckery.

Polytheism
>there are several gods and you are them and if you live an honorable life you will reincarnate
Montoheism
>there is only one god and you must be its slave
Atheism
>there is nothing
Slippery slope is real. Very, very real.

>>23446104
Based on the assumptions of positive, negative energy and infinity. If you consider consciousness as an infinite stream independent of the biological body then your consciousness will simply continue in an alternative reality or a different universe potentially an infinite number of years from now.

Just as you have no experience of the billions of years of life before your first awareness. You will have no knowledge of reality, universe and time shifts. This is beyond a question of time and space.

You are like a book written in an infinite number of realities in an infinite number of locations in a completely randomised time frame that guarantees a continuous stream of consciousness. This book has an infinite length and you have read through a minuscule number of pages. You are the reader that maintains the knowledge of the previous pages. In some universes and realities the book ends but in others it continues. As such you as the reader are shifting between universes, time and realities to continue reading. To you these shifts of trillions of years or infinite distances are irrelevant.

Now while consciousness is infinite. The state is not particularly static. Waking up from a “human life” simulator/game, a “character judge sorter” in a technologically advanced world, as part of a godhead in a monstrous body, as a computer program, as a planet sized ai or from a drug infused dream within a different body in a different reality is an active continuation of consciousness. As such no laws are broken for consciousness continuation. Odds are that the most likely consciousness continuation are of a higher consciousness from which your personal experience is disregarded for some sort of average. Being one of millions, billions or trillions of consciousnesses with a near infinite awareness as compared to a human. The shifts to higher planes of consciousness would also be infinite.

>>23446101
That's his belief anon and he's entitled to it no need to attack him he didn't attack your beliefs directly let's keep it civil now please

>>23446106
How can something come from nothing? If you have an equal amount of positive and negative energy. 0 = 0. 1 - 1 = 0.
Without matter/space the passage of time itself is infinite. As such the universe operates under different laws. Through which positive and negative matter exist.

Just as the universe itself exists as a sum of nothing. The individual exists as a sum of nothing. Therefore the individual exists in a state of non existence. As do alternative realities that do not function by the laws of this universe. Therefore there is nothing preventing the individual consciousness from existing infinitely under the condition that this reality is infinite.

As such is there anything stopping your consciousness from continuing in an infinite ever expanding and ever growing manner? As an amalgamation of potentially an infinite number of consciousnesses. Your death in this world will be a transition to another reality in another universe. There is no way for you to even be able to judge if your consciousness hasn’t shifted an infinite number of times through an infinite number of realities creating a supposedly seamless transition in experience. Just as this universe can exist as a non-existent sum that must exist due to a lack of space leading to a lack of time leading to an infinite loop of negative and positive matter existing in explosions of separations as a sort of spontaneous universal heart beat of existence?

>>23446108
The laws of nature(biological) would still apply in every universe. Any universe or existence without these particular laws and particular circumstances wouldn’t be able to produce life that can experience it and therefore judge its laws for being logical. As such even if you had an infinite stream of universes and realities but only one had the conditions for life. It would only be this one reality that we would be experiencing right now.

Let’s consider that with quantum fluctuations, quantum randomness, the cyclical universe model and convergent evolution. We could have a string of universes coming into existence and fading into nothingness. Each one would be slightly different. Yet the universes that can support life and therefore consciousness would have a certain set of laws that would produce similar life forms as we can witness through convergent evolution. As such we should consider the possibility of a species expanding out and occupying an entire galaxy. An empire of such scale would posses technology that would look like magic to us today. This could extend as far as entire planet sized computers that simulate an entire galaxy and therefore conscious beings. With such large virtual worlds this empire could select certain types of conscious beings, have their own members trained or tested under various scenarios, have realistic video games or explore this virtual world. As such a person from our reality(base reality 1) could end up in a different physical body in another universe(reality infinity + 1).

>>23446108
Very well said anon

>It's just nothingness

Could be worse. And I mean that. Most people were fucked before they were born anyway.

>>23446104
>>23446106

After rigorous contemplation of the intersection between quantum decoherence theory and multiverse cosmology, I have arrived at an inescapable conclusion regarding the cessation of subjective experience at the terminus of biological function.

Consider: consciousness, as we experience it, emerges from the orchestrated reduction of quantum microtubules within neural architecture—what Penrose inadequately termed "objective reduction." However, what the establishment fails to acknowledge is that each conscious observation collapses not merely one wavefunction, but simultaneously prunes entire branches of the Everettian multiverse tree.

Upon death, the quantum coherence maintaining your observer-status across parallel dimensions undergoes catastrophic decoherence. Your consciousness, rather than "transferring" to some metaphysical substrate, simply ceases to collapse probability waves. You become quantum-statistically irrelevant to the cosmic wavefunction.

The notion of an "afterlife" presupposes a persistent information pattern, yet the Second Law of Thermodynamics—which operates even at the Planck scale—ensures maximal entropy of all organized systems. Your neural-quantum signature disperses into the zero-point field, achieving perfect informational dissolution.

Some invoke quantum immortality here, but they misunderstand the anthropic principle: YOU as an observer-instance terminate absolutely. That some eigenstate of "you" continues in branch universes is phenomenologically meaningless to the consciousness-instance experiencing death.

The mathematics are elegant in their finality. There is no "after."

There is only the eternal probability foam, indifferent and absolute.

>>23445861 (OP)
So if it's all random, then why do you even trust your thoughts?

>>23446112
I think the possibility of us existing in the first place is proof enough that we can exist again but that is just my opinion and belief.

>something cant come from nothing therefore god
> athiests btfo
> where did god come from? uhh he created himself/ he always existed bro

>>23445993
>>23445995
Thats why I see Christianity (and Islam) as the bigger problem. People obsess over Judaism and Jews too much. But they would not be a problem in a world that remained more polytheistic.
And I know some will bring up modern India as some sort of counterargument to my thesis seeing as how pro-Zionist it is and what a depressing, broken society it is in general. But Hinduism is in itself a type of universalism and not really pagan as such. And a lot of the decay and corruption of modern India is due to both its christian british and islamic mughal legacy as well.

>>23446112
your post is inversely proportionally verbose to how stupid it is. try focusing on ideas instead of flexing one day, cant serve two masters

>>23446115
Could be a loop of crator sources creating creator sources at infinitum just a thought like some kind of paradox

>>23446118
*Creator*

>>23445861 (OP)
its not surprising how many christcuck faggots will cope and do their best to convince themselves that this isnt case. cause then what is the point of taking care of some roastie through signing your government contract? what is the point of all those silly scripture readings and arguments uve had with the left? if they dont have this belief then they cant admit to themselves that they are just useless eaters with no skills, no ability to conduct war etc etc. no you need some translated book that keeps you in line while pointing out all the phyops and ignoring the biggest one in front of you

>>23446120
Based Croat truth nuke!

Reminder that evil people get zero spiritual experiences.

>>23445861 (OP)
hot damn, so much verbal masturbation ITT. words, theories, doctrines lose their meaning over millenia. this is the time when religious renewal occurs through charismatic figures that appear from time to time to rejuvenate the faith. jesus, beddha etc. we're long overdue for a new shepherd. who will guide us? who? don't lose faith brothers. we'll pull through

>>23446114
>>23446117
"White" nigger. It really is over.

>>23446015
Hmm I was thinking about this last week.

The crossroads between deception and order. The path of oblivion and sophistication creates circumstances in which an advanced civilisation could be inclined to test its new born citizen applicants. Only a fresh slate and a lack of awareness regarding the purpose of a simulation can showcase the true character of an individual. Would such tests impact cause and effect? Could personality precepts be ingrained within a single individual for the purpose of testing like in the Matrix? Could hundreds of thousands of applicants be in existence concurrently within a single simulation instance?

Consciousness is an illusion as a part of the observer effect through which cause and effect processes of the movie type are interpreted as the feelings and actions of the observer. Thus solving the brain to consciousness paradox that considers factors like the death state conditions of humans versus the idea of the soul. As such consciousness is a cascade of inception like experiences as if movies are stacked in an infinite manner. To put it simply the current experience is that of a man in a room which is really the experience of a man watching a tv showing the man in the room which is actually the experience of a man watching a man watching a tv showing a man in a room. Everything is an illusion of sensory data where none of the data experienced is ever factual.

A fantasy realm scenario afterlife could just be another rug pull test for character even if it seems to be a sophistication/experience/holiday simulation.

>>23446121
wrong country nigger

>>23446120
>>23446121
But no one knows for sure 100% one way or the other just because we give definitions and words to it doesn't mean it's truth sure some things work given enough pattern and experimentation but it only goes so far and even then the truths of today become false eventually when new "truths" come to fruition

Even in Christianity when you die you lose your individuality and for any sense of how we view life and death you are still effectively completely gone as a person and individual when you die.
This should make you more aware of how Christkikes also argue in pilpul and semantics exactly like regular kikes do, and as do all abrahamic faiths. They're all "the real jews" and should be exterminated and replaced with a cool religion that is basically in purpose what Sheiks are to Muslims but instead it's Caucasians stabbing all jews and carrying a little anti-jew knife around everywhere and having it federally protected in any setting under religious reasons.

Has Christianity or Catholocism equipped you with a constitutionally protected anti-kike knife/sword? No? They just filled your country with spics and niggers and then let jews take power everywhere because nothing matters and le jewsus is going to save us just trust the plan 2 more weeks?
Sort your faggot ass trash out, niggers. Join my religion that doesn't have a name yet and you will have anti-jew knifes sent to you from congress themselves.

>>23445861 (OP)
Philosophy destroys atheism. Atheists bash philosophy so much today because God is proved by philosophy and atheism is annihilated.

>>23445861 (OP)
That would be nice
But unfortunately it goes on and on and on so tiresome ..

>>23446126
My bad cuh

>>23446124
What? Are we resorting to elementary school insults now because other people have different beliefs? Why do you feel so threatened by other people's beliefs that you feel you need to attack and insult them? Just disregard it then move on simple as that you silly goose

>>23446125
The above thesis, while superficially engaging with observer-effect phenomenology, commits several fatal errors that ultimately reinforce rather than challenge materialist mortality.

First, the "consciousness as illusion via observer effect" claim fundamentally misunderstands quantum mechanics. The observer effect describes measurement-induced wavefunction collapse, NOT the generation of qualia from observational processes. Conflating epistemic observation with ontological experience is precisely the category error that plagues amateur philosophy of mind.

Second, the infinite regress of nested simulations ("man watching man watching TV") invokes a classic homunculus problem without resolution. Each observational layer requires its own consciousness substrate—you've merely displaced the hard problem of consciousness upward through arbitrary hierarchical frames without explaining emergence at ANY level.

Third—and most devastatingly—the "civilizational testing simulation" hypothesis suffers from catastrophic probability failure. If we exist in a simulation designed to test character, we must ask: what substrate runs the base-level civilization? And crucially: when THOSE beings die in base reality, what persists? The framework recursively collapses into the same mortality it attempts to circumvent.

The invocation of "afterlife as another test" represents infinite regress apologetics—a Cartesian demon scenario that renders all ontological claims meaningless, including the claim itself. If every experience is potentially deceptive, including meta-experiences about deception, you've constructed an unfalsifiable framework with zero predictive power.

Occam's Razor annihilates this Rube Goldberg metaphysics. The simplest explanation remains: consciousness is an emergent property of physical neural processes that terminates with those processes.

No simulations. No tests. No nested observers.

Just thermodynamic certainty.

>>23446130
>goes on and on
Source?

>>23445861 (OP)
"The Nothing",...just seems so empty and it's hard to wrap my mind around that

>>23446133
And you are entitled to that mans beliefs because that's what they are his beliefs that you believe in and that's okay

>>23446132
I want to live in a world where calling sub-130-IQ white trash like you a dumb niggermonkey is a common and acceptable elementary school insult.

>>23445907
Maistre said it better
>The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.

>>23446135
Do you think it would be easier to comprehend God than it would be to comprehend nothingness? Are they not one-and-the-same?

>>23446139
God doesn’t exist

>>23446137
Right anyways you live your life full of hate you do you little buddy it's not good for you not will it accomplish anything you're wasting your time

>>23446140
And that's your belief and you are entitled to it

>>23445861 (OP)
If you are right and I am wrong, I have no problems after I died
.
If I Am right and you are wrong you will burn in Hell for eternity.
And see, the problem for you is,
I'm never wrong.
>inb4source

>>23446141
*Nor will it*

>>23446127
thats a good thing to tell yourself nigger, keep telling yourselves comforting lies to cover up your mediocrity so a translated book remains uncontested in automatically giving you the status of being in god's image and instructing you to be a very good boy just like all those christcucks who are spreading the other cheek after charlie was tested by the lord but failed

Not true, unfortunately, for us... There is some creator creation blob shit show, it's insane and skico at the very least and mostly malevolent on all lower operating levels.

Also, it never fucking ends, marygoround shit show, but there has to be a way, has to, it's war.

>>23445865
>There is no god moron
Unrepentant sinners are spiritually blinded. The 10 commandments aren't some arbitrary demands.

>>23445861 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp4

I still dont get the whole popping into existence once, randomly, for seemingly 0 reason to then blip out of existence forever until never.

But all those near death experience videos I've watched all say that you go to a place where you do a life review and meet spirit guides and alldat. And that you never die. You just go from alive to feeling even more alive.

Checkm8 religionists and atheists

>>23446145
I'm not Christian or religious I'm guess I would be scientifically spiritual you are entitled to your beliefs as is everyone else it shouldn't threaten you that other people have different beliefs

>>23446135
It's hard to wrap your mind around because it is something that doesn't exist. The atheist fantasy that everything ultimately came from nothing and will eventually become nothing once again is an unsustainable world view that exists purely to spite God.

Without an eternal, self-existent being at the beginning and ending of all things then everything would fall apart, there would be no foundation for existence. All atheists are suicidal trannies that believe they are entitled to everything they desire without having to acknowledge the God who gave them life.

>>23446151
*I guess* fucking auto correct kek

>>23446149
That's because it makes no sense

>>23446139
In a way.
The Buddhist idea of Void and the Hermetic & Neoplatonist idea of the All are describing the same thing from different directions.
>the Void - negative terms (the ultimate foundation is not this, not that, not that...etc)
>the All - positive terms (the ultimate foundation is this, and that, and that... etc)
A "thing" is only a thing in relation to something else that it is not.
Since the All encompasses everything, there is no other thing outside of it to relate it to, so it could equally be described as either being everything or nothing.
Like drawing an infinite amount of positive and negative pairs of numbers out of zero - the sum total is still zero despite stretching to infinity in both directions

And how do you know? Have you been there?

>>23446133
You can’t explain existence without a zero sum universe with which you get infinity, everything else just has to roll with infinity.

Do you have any proof that we don’t live in an infinite existence with an infinite number of universes that pop in and out of existence thus providing every single possible substrate configuration for every conceivable concept and thus consciousness? If you can represent a human being within a certain substrate on earth then by what means is the exact same configuration a trillion years later an infinite number of universes up not the continuation of consciousness?

The illusion is you thinking that you are both observer and the chain of cause and effect. You can’t be both at the same time. For the observer every thought, feeling and emotion could seem real and current while being a sensory illusion.

The simulation theory is just a single slice of infinity. It doesn’t matter how it’s presented but infinite substrates will give you infinite substrate configurations. You haven’t convinced me of anything. Either way we will find out if our consciousness is nestled in an infinite manner upon death.

believe that if you want, but christ still died and resurrected after 3 days. the second life is real, the second death too. Decide.

>>23446431
HELL BOUND!

>>23446397
HELL BOUND!

>>23446146
HELL BOUND!

>>23446140
HELL BOUND!

>>23446137
HELL BOUND!

>>23446152
Ok bro. Things just pop into existence from nothing because a magic dude with a beard popped into existence first and made everything pop into existence. Oh he also happens to be the god of the jews. Oh but the bible is just a rip off of Greek philosophy and religion. Which was influenced by Middle Eastern religions and cultures.

>>23446096
At heat death the universe will be the same as it was at the beginning of its current cycle
Mythical Chaos and entropic chaos appear opposite, but they’re two phases of the same cosmic polarity:
>mythical Chaos: before form, infinite beginnings, womb of Cosmos
>entropic chaos: after form, infinite endings, tomb of Cosmos
Chaos is both the beginning and end of all order. It is:
>pre form: potential not shaped
>post form: structure dissolved into noise
Entropy is not opposed to infinite possibility, but is rather one mode of it: possibility without useful structure.
Entropy is a drift from complex, constrained possibilities toward all-inclusive, undifferentiated randomness: a return to the lowest information state which paradoxically contains every possibility.
Chaos = infinity before form (creative, potential)
Maximum entropy = infinity after form (dissolution, death, dispersion)
Entropy removes Logos (form, ratio, articulation) from Chaos.
It’s a return to the "dark waters" from which Cosmos originally arose.
Logos then, is what mediates between them: forming, maintaining, and one day reweaving structure out of entropy.