Thread 23543622

I believe God's wisdom is taught through His word, through Jesus Christ; who was The Word made flesh (John 1:14)

When the Pharisees rejected Christ - because they were waiting for a leader according to their own understanding, and not trusting entirely in God to provide one - they inadvertently missed and subsequently rejected God almighty.

The lesson being: If you are waiting to accept Jesus, and do not believe He exists and existed before you, having died for our sins, raised on the third day by the Father, and is alive today, ever-present through the Holy Spirit, then you are in grave danger of rejecting Him, just as the Pharisees rejected Him, to their shame, when he returns to judge the living and the dead. Jesus will return, do not make the same mistake as the Pharisees, nor be without the Holy Spirit when He does.

Get right with God today /pol/, accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour here and now, in this thread! God bless those that do. amen.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6_qzLlJzw

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZozXHQB6TuU

>>23543622 (OP)
See John 4:22

>>23543623
By “you” Jesus meant the Samaritans (plural “you” in Gr.). They worshipped a God whom they did not really know. The reason for this was their rejection of most of His revelation in the Old Testament. Moreover the Samaritans had added pagan concepts to their faith that had come from their Gentile forefathers. If the woman truly believed that Jesus was a prophet, as she claimed, she would have had to accept His statement. There was more and truer information about God that she and her fellow Samaritans needed to learn than they presently knew. Jesus was providing that correction and that new revelation.

In contrast, the Jews accepted all of God’s revelation in the Old Testament and therefore knew the God whom they worshipped. Additionally they were the people through whom that revelation had come. Jesus here summarized all Old Testament revelation as being essentially soteriological. God intended His revelation to result in salvation for humankind (cf. 3:17). In that sense salvation had come through the Jews (cf. Rom. 3:2; 9:4-5). Salvation also came from the Jews in that Messiah came from Judah’s tribe (Gen. 49:10) whereas the Samaritans traced their ancestry through Joseph.[192]

Jesus did not take sides on the question of the place of worship, but He did clarify the proper basis of authority as being the whole Old Testament.

>>23543622 (OP)
I don't believe he died for my sins. I believe he died to show me that death isn't permanent and through his pattern and by the love of God i too may have life everlasting when my soul becomes mirror to christs form.

>>23543625
The Bible states that God punishes certain crimes for ten generations. That’s roughly 100-1000 years. This was what Jesus was killed for appeal for.

>>23543622 (OP)
4chan is a parody of what it once was.

>>23543626
I never read the Bible. I found god in my grave. My experience with Sunday school as a kid it doesn't teach anything like that so...

>>23543625
>nooo not penal substitutionary atonement, it's Christus victor
the thing about the all the different atonement theories is that they're all correct and complement each other

>>23543626
that's such a jewish thing

>>23543623
4:22 Ye worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (Psa 147:19; Isa 2:3, 14:1, 56:6-8; Eze 47:22-23; Zec 2:10-11, 8:23; Rom 2:20, 3:2, 9:4; Rev 21:12, 21:24)

>You worship that which you do not know. We worship that which we know, because salvation is from among the Judaeans.

The original 1611 version of the KJV reads: “But salvation cometh out of Judaea.”

2Kings 17:29 Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.

They worshiped dumb gods, myths.

Christ was a Judahite from the tribe of Judah. The remnant that returned was responsible for preserving the law and bringing in the Messiah.

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

The Israelites of Judaea. The House of Judah received the gospel first (Acts 13:46).

>>23543622 (OP)
Christians to the Lions:

Behold bastard son
I am the evil one
No glory to be reached
No more thy slavery
The passion I besieged
Spawn terror
Smash thy will
Ye pale dominion fades away
My will dominates

And watch my star arise
Burning up the earth
Sun - the eye of gods
Threw into the space
Watch ye moon eclipse
Falling from thy grace
Watch all nations cry
All feared ov his name
Praise the flame!
Watch the Angels falling from the Sky!

>>23543622 (OP)
why are thread like that even allowed on /pol/ its religion not politics, i see tons of other thread moved to bant, but never religion propagenda ones...

and anyway
>accept jesus
ok?
>as a king
say what? i dont need a king, and i dont need a master. and any self proclaimed king and master of all is a tyrant

>sin
sin dont really exist, sin is "things god dont like" and he for example like killing witches, slavery and other quite illegal in modern world thingies
>jesus died for your sins
hell no, there is not such thing as "colective responsibility" esp not in contects of "your ancestor sinned, so you are personally guilty"
plus Jesus never really died, so he also never resurected. jesus is/was aparently a god, and you cant kill one of those by making some holes in their body.
if whole crucifiction happend it was all a ruse

>>23543631
Lmao holy cope
bro just admit you worship a jew

>loves the world
Have you seen the world lately?
It's the worst it has been and controlled by dictators to the point that generations are just sitting in purgatory now.
If this is "love" then it's sadistic "love"

>>23543625
>>23543629

If you do not believe He died for atonement of ALL your sin on the cross, that it was His perfect plan for YOUR redemption, then what else could we possibly say before a Perfectly Righteous and Holy God that will warrant salvation - bearing in mind “None is righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10)

Believe and call on the name; Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

>>23543630
ancestral guilt was seen in pre-christian societies too
the greco-romans had "miasma," the house of atreus (agamemnon, orestes) is a famous example where they were plagued by murder incest and revenge across generation.
the neoplatonist philosopher proclus defended this idea as part of ancient greek theology, arguing that cities and families could suffer inherited adversity due to ancestral faults.
romans believed in familial fate and divine retribution. if a family offended the gods the consequences could extend to descendents.
that was one of the main points of pietas (duty to gods and ancestors)
failure to honor it could bring misfortune not just to themselves but their lineage.
same with norse tradition.

>>23543635
What you're witnessing is man's attempt to be god - we can not do it, it is a lie that we can, and the continual attempt and increasing amount of sin through greed and lust, lies and deceit only brings more misery, despair and eventually death - "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23)

Jesus foretold all; that this would come to pass - for good reason - before His glorious return. Read scripture, please, repent anon and turn to Christ.

>>23543636
i agree

>>23543636
Im not saying I didn't accept Christ. I just see it differently. His life mirrors my own in pattern. I see this as the souls journey. Christ to me is the perfect image of god. A mirror of reflection and judgement to shape your self and life to.

>>23543636
assuming that "Jesus died for your sins" you could come to conclussuon that "sins dont exist anymore" so no matter what you do, everybody is going to heaven. i mean including Hitler and Mr. serial rapist
keep in mind that acording to bible jesus took 2 literal filthy criminals to heaven when he died on a cross

oh wait, but theres almost no christian denomination that belive in this *that sins are absolved, so op is a lying, scaming bastard

>>23543633
>why are thread like that even allowed on /pol/ its religion not politics
/pol/ is "politically incorrect"
discussing religion is politically incorrect.

religion and politics are deeply intertwined.
laws, politicies and political movements are shaped by them.
debates on abortion, marriage, education and civil rights necessitate religious arguments.
many political ideologies are inseparable from religious identity

ironically, banning religious discussion would be politically correct and therefore un-/pol/

>>23543622 (OP)
God tongues nigger ass

>>23543625
Well He did die for your sins and evryones sins in fact because only Christ who lived a sinless life could attone for the sin of mankind for there is no other man who is perfect and did not sin.
Its very simple, you get eternal life because Christ paid for it.

>>23543641
getting your ticket punched for heaven isn't the sole purpose of life.
things can still matter for other reasons even if those reasons aren't securing your salvation.
we ought to do good and avoid sin out of love for God (John 14:15), not the carrot of salvation or stick of hell.

>>23543624
>>23543622 (OP)
>>23543624
>By “you” Jesus meant blah blah blah
How about this? Got any mental gymnastics for this?
Rationalize raping little baby girls after having slaughtered their parents and infant baby brothers in front of them.

Bonus points for explaining why Moses did it to them after Medianites had given him shelter and treated him with nothing but kindness during his exile where he even married a daughter of a Medianite priest.

Hint: YOU are the medianite today, slaughtered in your own land.

>>23543641
>keep in mind that acording to bible jesus took 2 literal filthy criminals to heaven when he died on a cross
Only one of the 2 thieves repented

>>23543644
That's cool and all but I really don't care. I have my own experience and ancient context and language doesn't help me understand any better. It seems pretty fitting though that the gospel of Thomas was hidden for so long. I've found myself wondering lately why would that be? For someone like me it's a pretty clear instruction manual. Then I remember the need of man to control and hide the divine.

>>23543646
1: it's better to be a mental gymnast than a mental couch potato
2: God never prescribed rape, that's just projecting your deviant fantasies onto the text. the text describes a brutal wartime context rather than a divine endorsement of atrocity. if you're going to critique scripture at least do it honestly.

>>23543648
>It seems pretty fitting though that the gospel of Thomas was hidden for so long.
it wasn't hidden, it was a very late forgery.

>>23543649
>>23543649
>God never prescribed rape
Hey dipshit, I have a literal quote, where your spiteful demonic attention whore of a god commanded to murder infants but leave little girls... TAKE A FUCKING GUESS FOR WHAT, you braindead christcuck.
You lying pigs have no shame. Looks like you get it from your masters.

>>23543650
Lol you types trip me out. If Jesus was alive today he'd be so different than what's expected in the ways he explains it. If you think mysticism is evil or whatever it only shows a lack of understanding. There's much more knowledge and context and the pattern has been expressed in everything since Jesus lived it's really hard for me to think he wouldn't see as I see. He did teach the path to which is possible for all to walk after all.

>>23543651
you're not quoting, you're projecting.
Numbers 31:18 says "keep alive for yourselves," zero command for rape.
captives entered israel under law, Deuteronomy 21:10-14 requires marriage, 30 day morning, full wife rights.
rape = death penalty (Deuteronomy 22:25-27)
>>23543652
>If Jesus was alive today
Jesus is alive today, He rose from the tomb.
>If you think mysticism is evil or whatever
it's less that i think it's evil and more that i think it's retarded to view the gospel of thomas as anything other than a gnostic forgery.

>>23543653
>forgery
as opposed to real schizo babble

>>23543653
>>23543653
>Numbers 31:18 says "keep alive for yourselves," zero command for rape.
>captives entered israel under law, Deuteronomy 21:10-14 requires marriage, 30 day morning, full wife rights.
This is you and your bible butt buddies:
>"Tee hee hee, if you don't marry me, you starve to death. Why don't you make your very free choice, my sweet 7yo bride, tee hee hee."
May you and your daughter and everyone you love face a "free choice" like this.

>>23543653
>>23543655
I guess it's where Epstein approach has its origin from.

>>23543655
>butt buddies
"butt buddies" are an atheist thing.
homosexuality is an abomination according to the Christian worldview.
>Tee hee hee, if you don't marry me, you starve to death.
are you seriously arguing that the more moral wartime option is to just kill everyone including the girls?
because that's the alternative.
the law required mourning, marriage, and protection, not rape.

>>23543622 (OP)
>accept Jesus
lmao you drive a hard bargain. all i gotta do is claim to have had a thought. ahhh im accooooooooooooopting

>>23543653
>Make the two one
I'm not getting into all of it but it means listening to your divine feminine aspect. The intuitive dreamy part of your mind. In essence listen to your ghost and allow it to touch you. God is really only complicated because people make it complicated because the meat mind is designed to recoil from the truth and that's kinda the whole struggle of the thing. To rebel against yourself to align with the pattern of god brought to you in the flesh by Christ and his life and death.

>>23543658
there've been many atheists who did ironically then came to true repentance.
try larping as a Christian for a week for the lulz
get ingrained into your local congregation and participate in group bible study for giggles
>>23543659
i go out of my way to avoid listening to anything feminine, especially when it starts sounding like a horoscope wrapped in theology

>>23543657
> It's acshually hecking based that they only murdered their parents and baby boys for no reason!
You conveniently ignored this part:
>>23543646
>Bonus points for explaining why Moses did it to them after Medianites had given him shelter and treated him with nothing but kindness during his exile where he even married a daughter of a Medianite priest.


>"butt buddies" are an atheist thing.
Ok, pedo rapist.

>>23543622 (OP)
>Jesus Christ; who was The Word made flesh (John 1:14)
This is a shitty translation.
Jesus is Logos made flesh. Go look at the original greek "Λόγος" meaning "Reason".
https://biblehub.com/john/1-14.htm#lexicon

>>23543661
pedophilia is just atheism in practice.

and you're confusing 2 different midianite groups.
the midianites who sheltered moses were not the same faction that later seduced israel into idolatry and sexual immortality baal peor (Numbers 25)
the judgment in Numbers 31 was a response to that corruption, not a betrayal of hospitality.

>>23543660
>I don't listen to myself
You do understand how stupid this sounds? Why close yourself off from yourself? It's imagination basically. You're supposed to cultivate an inner world. That's the wheat and the weeds. To know all parts of yourself and your thoughts and not deny them or hide from them. I would add to speak and create beauty from them since that's what I've done in life. Then come harvest you'll be able to discern what to allow to burn away.

>>23543662
i think it's because it's more drawing on the jewish concept of "memra" than the greek logos despite being in greek. it's not just "reason" in the philosophical sense.

>>23543664
>I don't listen to myself
>You do understand how stupid this sounds?
>Why close yourself off from yourself?
my inner monologue mostly just makes fun of me and sings radio hits from the 90s.
so cultivating my inner world mostly means listening to mmmmbop tick top ba doo wap while roasting myself.

>>23543663
>faction that later seduced israel into idolatry and sexual immortality baal peor (Numbers 25)
- "Rabbi Moses, these shiksas made us rape them and worship the wrong thing! We didnunuffin!"
- "Very well, mosche, lets exterminate them all, including infant boys! Leave the pizz... I mean "little girls"... for the pizza party later. Tee hee hee."

>pedophilia is just atheism in practice.
You are a lying defender of kiddie diddlers and mass murderers, and an insufferable lying cunt.

>>23543651
>isreali university made image
How's the weather in tel aviv?

>>23543661
>religion that worked world wide to get rid of slavery
>It's at fault for slavery


>>23543672
Why are iron chariots not a problem in chapter 4?

>>23543622 (OP)
Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”