Thread 23546549

Where did they all go?

>>23546549 (OP)
>why
less white people
>where did it go
spics

politics?

>>23546549 (OP)
after we lost jerusalem, the reconquista shouldered the weight, but inevitably the building of castles triggered the end of gothic prominence to usher in the age of reason, which mostly from dialectical sabotage camoflauges goths

All white subcultures died off

https://youtu.be/anS6bcPpvoQ?si=Afk1y-G0WKo7z9qN

>>23546549 (OP)
It was never a big thing

>>23546549 (OP)
there are plenty of goths now
except they are all tatted up 280 pound mexican landwhales

>>23546551
Yes. You're gay btw

>>23546556
each of those 'women' in OP are troons

>>23546549 (OP)
Apparently they all came to Austin tx because there's plenty here. There's even goth nights fairly often at bars

>>23546553
>Died off
That sounds strangely passive...

>>23546549 (OP)
It got corrupted like everything else if you don't gatekeep

>>23546549 (OP)
Women with no tatoos? Good question

>>23546550
Latina goths are hot though.

>>23546549 (OP)
Wearing that much makeup, over time, accelerates the hag ten fold. Unsustainable aesthetics

>>23546549 (OP)
Goth culture got heavily subverted by the political Left. Combine that with demographics shifts and it starts to look pretty bleak for the macabre.
Brown people do not have the mental capacity to think too deeply into concepts like mortality.
Also good job btw goths, you turned primarily into a bunch of fetish-shit for roasties like dot j-peg. They feel all depressed that they're too fat to attract Chad, so they just wanna die kek.

Kek yeah that's real artistic and deep expression huh.
Lay you some liquid latex on that burn I guess art man, it'll be about like Tyrone's microchimerism.
Godspeed goths.

>>23546549 (OP)
Goths were always a small percentage of the population. Like 0.01%. They didn't go anywhere, you just got old and stopped hanging out where they were hanging out.

It's huge in South America and Iberia, I don't know why.

>>23546549 (OP)
white christian gigachads took them and made them good, god-fearing stay at home moms

>>23546565
we carrying atm

>>23546549 (OP)
They probably moved in with a bunch of liberal leftists.

>>23546549 (OP)
A lot of bars have goth nights now. Do you not go to bars?

:-(

>>23546549 (OP)
Muslims got to upset so the Islamic revolution began.
Everything in the West is like the middle east now

>every fucking goth has a retarded septum ring these days
It's better off dead now.

>>23546549 (OP)
They got fat

>>23546549 (OP)
Fuck, kill, marry

>>23546573
don't forget the literal clown makeup
and copious trannies

>>23546549 (OP)
counter culture to christianity. Since everyone is a satanist now its nothing special anymore so people jumped ship

>where did they all go
they went on to have kids mostly, all of the ex goths I know are mothers now

>>23546576
>copious trannies
So many fucking trannies...

>>23546550
Black metal, electro-industrial, and other modern "goth-adjacent" scenes are far bigger in countries such as Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina, compared to the US. Mexico City is currently the goth capital of the world. Why post when you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about? Stupid Americans, who have never left their respective state, don't realize those scenes originated in other countries and remain more popular in other countries.

Complete progressive lefty degrneration.

Local goth meet ups in my area are like 30% transexuals.

Black guys cruise them for easy lays. BLM right into their pussies and buttholes.

Full of beta cucks that would enjoy watching it too. Black guys laugh at how pathetic they've become.

Makes me miss skinhead culture. Those guys are too old to properly police the scene anymore.

They are all fat loser marxists and communists now. Even the music they listen to has gotten worse.

It peaked in the early 2000s and those people realized you're going to be treated poorly if you work in an office and dress like you're at a Cure concert

they were actual vampires, and died off due to global warming (extra sun)

>>23546581
>Makes me miss skinhead culture. Those guys are too old to properly police the scene anymore.
like what would they do exactly? throw out any freaks and nogs who show up to a nice white goth event? that sounds nice.
modern surveillance would preclude that, though. they'd catch hate crime charges just for being there
also, like you said - all the modern goth scene are HARD left radicals. they absolutely glory in bio-leninism or whatever the fuck. the more disgusting and freaky and anti-decency anybody is, the more they love it

>>23546550
Whites became rapperniggers stfu. The truth is goth is expensive and make-up is gay.

It melded into a lot of other generally worse subcultures. Zoomer egirls think they're 'goths' when they all listen to fucking rap... Unfortunately the 'goths' today look like a combination of clowns and goths.

With that said there's a good reason that all the original goth bands started to disavow gothism, and the reason is that goths are generally immature retards taking themselves far too seriously.

>>23546550
>less white people
this is the answer, is the same answer for the collapse of rock/metal

>>23546549 (OP)
Because zoomers decided to shoot themselves in the foot and worship billionaires instead

>>23546552
Kek

It died off or you're not pale & skinny enough to invite to their D&D or book reading club.
Even the nigger goth larpers want that Draco Malfoy Dood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffh7cWRrqF4&rco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d68b659E4F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6EPWjzVflE

>>23546549 (OP)
man, being goth and living the culture and WGT from 2000-2012 was something else. So many good people, conversations, sex, music.. I'm glad I was there. Btw. goth culture never existed in America, don't even start. Europe, especially Germany, was and probably still is the center of the subculture.

>>23546588
what do you mean how do they worship billionaires

>>23546549 (OP)
goth -> emo -> trans -> ???

>>23546591
>adult movies

what is that sign from in the background nd what is wgt

>>23546550

Mexicans are literally keeping the subculture alive lol

>>23546594
>american doesn't know about Wave-Gotik-Treffen
colour me surprised

>>23546593
im from the future. you're gonna see splitdicks as quaint. youre not ready for the android fox lolis

>>23546549 (OP)
Latin America
Seriously

>>23546595
Goth came about in the UK last century and was/is to a lesser degree still kept alive in Germoney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9x-Ieimys8

>>23546549 (OP)
i was with hundreds of goths last night. it is not dead.

Go on tik tok. There are tons of hot goth sluts in their early 20s. It's weird but kinda rules. They're still retarded wiggers or normies under the makeup, but still hot.

gen z retards who have tiktok brainrot are obsessed with "aesthetics" and nothing else. So there are tooooons of "goth" and "alt" e whores who dress that way but still apply Kardashian Instagram filter esque makeup techniques to the style, so its like a yassified version and none of it is unique.
Zoomers are braindead and superficial.

>>23546549 (OP)
>Where did they all go?
Goth culture was subsidized when incels started going crazy for them because initially they were very easy mentally ill catches. This caught up to mainstream culture and all women started lumping in "goth" with "wing eyeliner" so they could appeal to the lowest common denominator for their attention seeking habits.
Actual goths ended up going into a culture war of extremism with these fake goths and started to troon out to show how "truly alt" they are. Except now normie girls are also ""trooning out"" by changing genders and doing nothing else.

Every culture that is even slightly seen as cool or fetishized will always get subsidized by the masses in one way or another. It just happened to goths so fast and hard that they had nothing else to become in time and either all killed themselves or are now seen as the normies they hate.

>>23546549 (OP)
It took to long to get the gear off to get to their pussies

>>23546599

German goths are just old goths from back in the day who never moved on. That's not exactly a thriving subculture, just a bunch of nostalgic old clubbers.

>>23546549 (OP)
boooo

>>23546549 (OP)
Back when I was a teenager, I knew this hot goth girl. We went to the same high school. Fuck, I thought I was in love.

The alternative scene collapsed when all the young girls wanted to play too. Basically when “babygirl” and former scene girls wanted join in. Remember Tumblr goth with the indie motifs and witchcraft? Remember pastel goth? That’s when it all went to shit and became, essentially, a capitalistic porn category. Today, every alternative, goth, or someone just wearing the style like a costume, is basically an OnlyFans whore or a drug addict, or both.

>Gothic people in the past
>Someone with tastes in music, fashion, etc and can still be a normal person. Makes friends with other people with similar interests

>Goth today
>A bullshitter, a whore, an abuse victim, eventually becoming an abuser with a drug problem. Basically a piece of shit covered in black.

Today, any subculture is basically just a porn category.

>>23546605
The influences of Metal and Techno cannot be comprehended by the American mind when it comes to authentic goth subculture. I guess nobody older from /mu/ is on here. I did say it's kept alive to a lesser degree but you're correct it's mostly older generations at this point. It's just not something mind broken zoomies gravitate towards. They've probably never even heard of William Blake

>>23546608
Accurate. Goth crystalized out of post-punk.

>>23546558
I’ve yet to see a goth night at a bar that played goth music and wasn’t full of fuck-up abuse victims, let alone not at an inherently lefty bar with an LGBT flag.

All the alternative folk in my town are garbage people to be around, especially those who identify as pagan.

>>23546549 (OP)
Subcultures like goths mostly died out IRL as the internet became popular. There are still some goths in Germany, or at least there were like 15 years ago when I last looked into it, but kids that would go goth these days now just get addicted to the internet for the most part instead.

>>23546581
>Local goth meet ups in my area are like 30% transexuals.
downtown Tel Aviv?

>>520378736
>>520378707
>>23546549 (OP)
>>23546558
terminally online scene, lgbt scene and alt music scene including rap scene has goths too

>>23546549 (OP)
Wish I got to fuck a goth chick, maybe too old now, I saw one recently going through my town so they do exist, but not in the numbers they were in the 00s

>>23546549 (OP)
fashion scene got goths too

>>23546549 (OP)
They shifted to transgenderism

>>23546569
Most of them are in a dysfunctional polyamrous household full of gaslighting, abuse, backstabbing, manipulation, and drug problems. Also, a room that smells like a litter box, vape carts, leftover boba tea cups, and Takis dust.

The days when you meet a tall vampire-like gothic woman wearing tall boots and a brooding scowl while actually having a sense of integrity are gone.

>>23546550
>less white people
Pretty much. Subcultural groups exist primarily in homogeneous societies. In diverse and multicultural societies, your race is your group, similar to how it is in prison systems.

I always wonder how the Visual Kei scene is in Japan? Goth was pretty popular back then too and the Japanese made it their own thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsQgmq-fNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO2bgPhtJZo

>>23546580
This makes sense, there's a ton of new post-punk/gothgaze coming out of mexico and latin america at-large. Most of it is fairly low quality though, these spics are trying to rip off an exclusively white-coded artform

There was a short post-punk revival in white countries in the mid-2010s which ran concurrently to the retrowave revival, both of these abated roughly with the start of the plandemic though

>>23546619
you ever notice why these movies aren't made anymore? can't appeal to the global markets (read: China) if you try to shoot Home Alone, Feris Bueller's Day Off, or Breakfast Club type movies nowadays.

>>23546549 (OP)
Because it was stupid and faggy.

>>23546549 (OP)
wiggers won the culture war, now all women aspire to be a tiktok turbo stacy to a broccoli top wigger boy. no cap

>>23546549 (OP)
What do you mean?
https://youtu.be/inUCmh3LY9Y?si=t5iXDce2Jje3nRlV

Still the best primer on the subject from a pro-white POV:

https://counter-currents.com/2024/06/blue-sunshine-the-whiteness-of-goth/

>>23546624
No depth. Nur tote Frauen sind schön.

>>23546549 (OP)
They became Antifa

>>23546549 (OP)
>>23546625
First of all, it was never meant to be "mainstream".
Second, it is a state of mind.
>music, clothes and all is second

>>23546626
thank you anon, this is accurate and true. It wouldn't surprise me if any other anons who were part of this subculture in the early 2000s also listened to Huwhite man.

>>23546601
post names or profiles

In case anyone is wondering, the meme flag guy is Indian and also spams /fa/.

>>23546549 (OP)
>Women looked like whores
>Men looked like fags
>fetishist trash
It started in Metal and it got overtaken by losers then grabbed by spics. The only fag who wore it well was Marilyn Manson and he shoulda fucked off after 2003 but decided that he needed to stay relevant and just ran his legacy into the mud. His music videos are heavily filtered because he's fat now. Shoulda just played acoustic at music clubs.

>>23546603
>either all killed themselves

why would they kill themselves

>>23546549 (OP)
MTV stopped showing goth bands and started promoting only niggers, media and other industries followed same path, young girls only see niggers and think it's the coolest thing ever, then become single mothers.

>>23546608
someone was saying that eversince amazon and online shopping capitalism is what made the culture implode.
like oh cool you got a joy division t shirt.
sub cultures that used capitalist fetters to signal their identity are basically all dead since its so easy to buy shit online now.
and the goth ethos is now largely normalized since everyone is depressed and hates modern society.
you dont need black eyeliner and lipstick and let people know the world is shit and you are on anti depressants.
all sub culture is now based on the types of anime you watch.

>>23546549 (OP)
>Where did they all go?
Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyePrri58IU

>>23546628
Sadly, this is true. But it’s mostly the punk scene that did this.

The ironic part is that the gothic folk in bigger cities aren’t Antifa, but all the goths in smaller towns are full-blown degenerate lefties.

>>23546553
They didn't die off they were killed off by kikes injecting shitskins into everything.

>>23546637
good stuff, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBt3mJtgJc

>>23546638
Fuck bros life without Naseem is hardly life at all.....

>>23546636
>all sub culture is now based on the types of anime you watch.

Here's the pain.

We still exist, but we're older and would rather work our professional jobs whilst listening to Nine Inch Nails on our earbuds and not let others know our secret.

>>23546640
It's interesting when you look at Iran and Syria the people are always fair skin and normal looking. When you look at the "refugees" it's a bunch of paki/jeet looking men.
I truly believe that anyone who sees themselve as a refugee is soulless human garbage that isn't running from a war but are running from there own brown bullshit back at home.

>>23546549 (OP)
Those are visigoths not goths

>>23546636
Amazon always sold goth apparel even in the early 2000s. The problem was a bunch of groomed teenagers who were introduced to kink shit really early flooded the scene. Goth wasn’t full of BPD girls until the later Tumblr days when every former scene teen started obsessing over Baphomet and choking.

Goth is now full of capitalism and abuse victims. Amazon didn’t really do much to it, honestly. Besides, most of their goth shit is very mall goth and Chinese, like a last minute Halloween piece.

>>23546643
I miss her so much

>>23546642
<:

it was a psyop to weaken punk which was becoming a force among working class men.

>>23546549 (OP)
Why would this be an eternal thing? It was a fad, sure there's still some but maybe 1% of what there used to be

>>23546549 (OP)
We should start a new Goth revival, except instead of gay eyeliner, lace, and cheap fetish leather, it should be picrel. White Powah

>>23546640
Those aren’t goths. Those are Y2K alt girls who vape all day. Those baggy jeans with the stars on them are from Amazon too. You can get them in pale blue or faded black.

Believe me, Y2K alt girls are the worst kind of alt girls. Them being in Iran means nothing.

>>23546650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GMjH1nR0ds
people nowadays wouldn't even recognize Killing Joke, Joy Division or New Order as goth. They all think it's just the way you dress. Clueless.

they became hipsters in like 2010ish and got a bunch of tattoos because rockabilly was some cringe trend. now they are all died up hags. theres some goth zoomer babes on instagram milking the niche now. go look up milkgore

>>23546549 (OP)
the parasitic roastie assumes the identify of those they wanna fuck or take money from which can be i identified by the context. goths dont have much money so the parasitic roastie assumed that identity to fuck because there must have been a considerable amount of chads in that genre. it should have been quite a reveal when roasties started dressing like this because everyone knows they dont have any problems no matter how much they threaten that theyll finish the whole box of tictacs if their problems arent solved. now due to hypergamy, the boss girl has entered the scene because the roastie is so retarded that they think, just like the goth girl, that if emulate the asthetic that the chad likes then the chad wil go wooow shes trying to be just like me. thats why its funny whenever i see one of these roasties shocked that it didnt work. then you have the tradgirls who are the smartest at pretending to be this role to secure chad as they assume the asthetic of looking like they are loyal, decent and are into the whole covenant thing, then she turns directly to the camera and you see the same pair of tits staring back at you just like the goths, boss women etc etc and they give away the game. truely a pitiful parasitic species that needs to be replaced

>>23546580
Cargo cult doesn't count.

Back in 60's to 90's, as an instruction manual for new gens.
>we had a FEEL
>we expressed the FEEL
>by creating music and what felt like US

>>23546549 (OP)
Kind of the same thing that's happened with aspects of culture, certain intellectual properties, games, hobbies and the like.
It was heavily infiltrated by fat girls, a lot of them fat lesbians, and they ruined it.
You hate to see it.

>>23546549 (OP)
not enough cute raven haired white girls to take up the torch.

>>23546653
I'm on board with this because nobody other than white people makes music like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64CACoHNBEI

>>23546655
Wasn't there a whole South Park episode on this kind of Goth purity spiraling?

>>23546549 (OP)
Any culture that goes too hard on a costume will turn into a phase that will dwindle.

>>23546654
goth chicks were the scene girls of their time

>>23546655
Yea, but don't blame them.
>encourage

Despite the AI

no subcultures have survived normalfags coming to social media

>>23546665
Emo/scene and goth existed simultaneously.

It went to Knoxville,TN and Tampa
NYC still has it
Vampire freaks has a festival in New Jersey in a castle
You just suck
You post on pol
Most of them are libertarians or libs
Shut up and do your make up and you too can cuddle with multiple domme mommy’s anon

>>23546549 (OP)
Unironically Wisconsin

>>23546663
>purity
>multiculturalism, ZOG, emo and trannies
yeah no, I'm not some liberal wageslave that listens to Evanescence, anon. I choose purity every time. I have a clip from ca. 2006 that explains this issue very well but it's in German, so I doubt you'd understand its message.

>>23546559
self castration, suicide, propagation of self destructive behaviors (i.e. abortion)

"died off" fits the bill.

>>23546653
trad pagan larpers are even more tacky than cyber goths with their rabbit pelts and drinking horns.

there was a trad goth threads on /fa/ i think that were about dressing like a nun.
not sexy nun mind you.
just wearing some black single piece gown.

>>23546549 (OP)
I used to date a qt3.14 like the blond in the middle ,17 years ago. I miss that feeling.

>>23546667
Too true. Even 4chan is a gay, brown, jewish, zombie botfarm now. Not even funny or creative half the time anymore

>>23546668
Emo was just fag goth light for those not as committed to a wardrobe.

>>23546662
forget their name but those percussionists that dress up like old school bee keepers were pretty legit.
death in june always gets brought up too

>>23546668
no scene can last more than 10 years

you might be overrating goth a bit they were just nick cave fans thats it

>>23546675
You could always start stalking her.

Couple generations into adulthood, never heard this:
https://youtu.be/xD5No_JRrZw?si=MdoDdbrjQvY08YrY

>>23546674
>just wearing some black single piece gown.
sounds cute, any pictures?
i like cute girls, and nun outifts are cute (especially on cute girls)

>>23546550
black goths are hotter because they are rarer

>>23546549 (OP)
White population collapse, being flooded with niggers and nigger subvariants. You can't have real subcultures when you're being bombarded with nigger slop all day and surrounded by niggers and jeets. All you can do is stay alive.

>>23546662
>Folk metal
This subculture already exists. It’s 90% fat D&D playing rednecks who found paganism through shitty bands like Amon Amarth. Every one of them has been sharing the local town bike and makes alcoholism their personality. Basically, the kids from drama class who developed substance abuse. Majority are also very Antifa-adjacent.

You know those kinda ugly goth people who walk around Walmart just to bullshit? That’s your modern alternative pagan these days. An embarrassment to ancestors, heritage, etc. Also, these retards worship Thor rather than the minor gods Scandis revered more often.

>>23546675
i feel you anon.
i miss my ex alot and she loved old rem and played disintegration like once a week

>>23546634
Because they're goths/trannies retard

>>23546684
I would turn her insides white.
If you know what I mean...

>>23546682
I've never understood the context/meaning of this søyjack

>>23546549 (OP)
did it? i just saw some goths this summer.

>>23546680
I am. She's married nowadays.

>>23546690
It's some retard(you) shouting out a retarded opinion while being gay

>>23546686
>Majority are also very Antifa-adjacent.
I see, had no idea. I still stand with the other anon that a revival with a focus on purity and ethnocentrism would work as an exclusionary principle but you'd need bands (public faces) to stand behind that and while I would support it monetary and with my presence, it's likely doomed to fail. As others have already commented, we're heading towards a different future sadly. Europe is already lost politically and culturally.

It's like it's boomers vs millenials and zoomers.
>Gen X is the lost forgotten son?

>>23546690
Tony Soprano made that face when fucking a hooker.

>>23546693
Oh I get it now, that's super funny

>>23546694
Right wing folk/black metal exists and it’s either a honeypot orchestrated by Russians or a Chud convention. Also, most of their fans are Brazilian.

>>23546653
mostly they would build houses and farm, wouldn't they?

doing that the old way will not win against goth gf porn

>>23546696
I make this face when the hooker stomps on my balls

>>23546549 (OP)
>Why did the goth culture collapse?
They all grew out of it while having abortions.

>>23546549 (OP)
It was expensive to keep up, and kinda cringe when you're walking out like that in the middle of a sweltering sunny day.
Then emo came along and started taking features of it, and then added rampant faggotry.

>>23546700
You have to be at least 18 to rent a hooker

>>23546611
>wasn’t full of fuck-up abuse victims
That's basically the foundation of most goths though

>>23546672
I speak german, can I see it?

I am gen X.
>don't you forget me
https://youtu.be/8qjiWb1O_L4?si=J6E_kNoP55Mf_PIF

>>23546649
tfw you will never snuggle with crazy Iranian autist girl

>>23546697
Basically, if you get soijacked, it 100%nullifies your previous post for all eternity and the guy posting the jack automatically wins the debate.
They are very powerful so use them sparingly.
You only get a few per lifetime

>>23546698
I know that. I guess we can revert to doomposting again. Nothing ever happens anyway.
>>23546705
Sure, let me upload it and link it since it has sound.

>>23546689
Did some reading and thought about it for a while. I think you want to have coitus with her until completion.

>>23546549 (OP)
It went to shit the moment they started tattooing & peircing themselves.

>>23546697
Bro, if you think that's funny, look at this picture I spent all day drawing it.
I call it plapjack. Lolz

>>23546689
Does anyone understand what this feller is saying?

>>23546706
I raised my son, according to true Northern standards.
We got divorced, and, lost the connection.
Next thing I knew, he was into these action groups, what the hell are they?
>he's a nazi

What do?

>>23546704
A lot of goths in the heyday weren’t always like that. Maybe bullied for having different tastes or raised a little differently, but it’s not like every goth back in the day were groomed by a drug dealer or sticking hairbrushes up their ass on Skype. “Goths” today are basically one step above a hooker from Skid Row.

>>23546705
>>520381239
https://files.catbox.moe/sj159t.mp4

Kek.

Reclaim goth Catholicism

>>23546720
Vielen dank... Holy shit I just realized how rusty my German is, I used to be fluent.

>>23546731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuM3rgm59GY&list=RDKuM3rgm59GY&start_radio=1

>>23546731
goth always seemed kind of bougie, with all the tchochkis and scented oils and clove cigareetes.
and catholicism is the bougiest form of christianity.

>>23546732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EElkSFzSai4

This is proper goth underground.
Mods were right.

>>23546746
omg.
That's great.

>>23546746
>>23546750

What artists back in the day did - something that made you come out like a sore thumb.

The competition was always there.
All bands we now celebrate had to eat their miles of shit before "making it".

Stand out, somehow.
>don't kill or kyss

If it's AI, which I doubt,
>I would feel betrayed

I wish you a beautiful day Fin bro, I'm off to bed. I'll leave my last gem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INJiD1rRAVw

>>23546746
Good stuff, also I have a different take on the idea of goth purity, although personally I've always considered myself more of a rivethead. I think goth subculture was the product of a certain kind of person, and so long as that sort of person found goth stuff they became goth. Young people now are too afraid to do anything seriously and do everything ironically even when it's completely mundane, lest they be seen as dorks for taking things seriously. I caught myself feeling that way when I was about to say that it was people who are interested the dark side of humanity who become goths. It's like that line from that KMFDM song "we used to hate people, now we just make fun of them, it's more effective that way.". I think that instead of needing purity, what goth needs now is to indoctrinate the zoomers who wear goth as a fashion statement. Bully them for not being real goths and call them posers. If there is one thing that will get to these people it's being made fun of for not being goth enough. If there is ridicule coming from the other direction, demanding they become real goths, I think the subculture could experience a massive influx of people who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjVd9_wNur0

>>23546807
>I think the subculture could experience a massive influx of people who
who aren't really goths, but they'd conform to goth culture well enough to allow naturally goth goths to feel comfortable becoming goths again.

>>23546796
I have a cd copy of a Slight Case of Overbombing.

>>23546731
great makeup

>>23546549 (OP)
its because post-punk is shit music and post-hardcore is vastly superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrEr8sPw2J0