Thread 23549570

ITT we study the Bible, share the passages we've been thinking about, prayer requests, or to discuss in general matters pertaining to God, especially if it's about "who" He is. I don't care if you use the Protestant Bible, the Catholic Bible, or even the immense Tewahedo Bible. If it's from a text deemed non-Canonical or Heretical by the non-mainline churches, I can handle discussion about it so long as if it's in good faith.

I am not an ordained priest, minister, etc and I'm not even in seminary nor a member of any brick-and-mortar church. I'm only a layman. I've been raised in Presbyterian Churches so it's likely I will have a bias coming from that. Still, I'm happy to discuss all matters of God with you guys, but only if it's in good faith, as in an argument can be in good faith or bad faith.

I'd like to start this thread off with a reading from Luke 6:27-36 as my contribution, because these contain a good bulk of the passages where we see the strawmanning memes come from, and I'd like to provide clarity to them. This will be a multi-part post due to character limits. First, I will quote the whole passage about Love for Enemies, and then in further posts I will expand on Jesus' points. Again, if you disagree with what I'm saying, then that's fine. This is why we do Bible Study.

Next post, I will post Luke 27-36.

1/?

>>23549570 (OP)

"'But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking you tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

'If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and witcked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.'"

-Luke 27-36

I'd like to express some of the finer points Jesus was making in the coming posts.

2/?

Honestly asking a good faith question, what's the fucking point of bible study? Who cares about a book written 500 years ago or whatever.

>>23549570 (OP)
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dumy

>pic related

>>23549570 (OP)
Daily reminder christcucks won’t do shit against Hindu raperats

>>23549573
>>23549574
>>23549575
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>23549571

Jannies moved me here and warned me from /pol/. Apparently "Religion" isn't Politics, but ok. I'll continue speaking here.

3/?

>>23549572

The Bible was compiled a long time ago and is still very relevant to today. We still discuss Rome, Ancient Greece, etc despite them being a long time ago, as those old civilizations are still very relevent to the development of our own today.

>>23549573

No need for name-calling. Do extrapolate on what you think.

>>23549598

Jesus during His sermon was speaking of the real enemy of man; sin. There's a passage from Genesis 3:17-18 (NIV) that I wish to quote: "To Adam he [God] said, 'Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it', Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field."

The thorns and the thistles are what comes from man's toil and labor. What good are thistles and thorns? They are for kindling.

Back to Jesus, He was speaking of laws such as "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". When one's eye is put out by someone, the legal thing is to put out that someone's eye, too. After that law has been fulfilled, the men walk away, but it doesn't end there. The men still feel enmity for one another; cursing at one another for the eyes they lost. Thistles and thorns.

Jesus in this part of the sermon is speaking of how to not sprout those thistles and thorns. For hating and cursing at others, even if they are enemies, is still sinning. Again, sin is the real enemy that Jesus is preaching about how to combat.

4/?

>>23549598
ty

>>23549653

I want to look at Luke 6:29: "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic."

There's a very strong misconception about this particular verse, because the context is lost to us. Back in Jesus' time on Earth, the Israelites were being occupied by the Roman Empire. When Jesus said to "turn the other cheek", what He really means demands a little bit of imagining.

When one strikes on one cheek, it's a back-handed strike. The Romans struck others that are "beneath them" by the backs of their hands. When you "turn the other cheek" to them, it forces the Roman to have to strike them with the fronts of their hands. The only time you strike with the front of your hand is if you are striking them as an equal.

By "Turning the other cheek", you are "goading" them into treating you as an equal. This shifts the power from being beneath the Roman soldier to being on his eye level. The bystanders will see that, and there will be pressure at that point for the Roman and the Israelite to speak to one-another as equals.

As for the line about one taking one's cloak and then handing over your tunic, here's the context. The Israelites consider the cloak to be an essential garment. It is what the poor have to call a bed for when they sleep outside. To take one's cloak is to take away their bed. So to give that person your tunic is to make yourself naked before that person who took your cloak. This is to embarrass the one who seeks to take everyone a person has so that they can see the people that they are stealing from as an equal.

Jesus is speaking of evening the playing field and to acknowledge the Image of God in all of us without sinning. Without sprouting thorns and thistles.

5/?

I wipe my ass with the bible

>>23549696
:o

>>23549656

And thank you for being here.

>>23549696

Luke 6:30 (NIV) says: "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

By "giving" we're all thinking of money. But you can give more than just money. We also live in times where giving money is not a good thing, especially if the person you're giving to will use it to feed their addictions to drugs, alcohol, etc. Some people don't have money, and Jesus is well aware of that, hence why He spoke of how you should give your tunic to the one who took your cloak (to "even the playing field").

Furthermore, there is the notion that "giving" is to be a doormat. If you make someone out to be your doormat, that is a sin. The one folding to them as their doormat is prone to sinning, too, especially if enmity grows between the involved parties. This is my personal take, but there is an Israelite law about how the edges of the field should not be harvested, and to only go through the field once, and any leftover grain, fruit, vegetables, etc are for the poor and the alien, and how any of the harvest that falls to the ground is furthermore for them. In fact, the edges of the field are for the poor and for the alien.

Those who are in need will go to the edges of your field to harvest what they can. For those who are destitute, one would need to provide 1/10th an Epah of fine flour as a Sin Offering at the temple. The only real way for a money-less person to get that is to go to the edges of the field and harvest the grain.

One should give what is at the edge of their field. What they've got left-over from their harvest that they missed or what fell to the floor. People don't always need money. People might need food, guidance, reassurance, or even something simple like a good laugh. Give to those who are in need of it.

Luke 6:31: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."

6/?

>>23549729

Is that so? Why do that?

>>23549762

Luke 32-36 is, at least to me, pretty self-explanatory. If you have questions about it, I'll answer as best I can. But Jesus is emphasizing more on how to separate yourself from sin and be with God. Sin is an intrinsic part of Man since Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of Knowledge of Good & Evil and decided to go ahead with their own morality and outlook. Their wages for it are the thistles and thorns that grow from their works.

God has a different lot for Man, and that is for Man to rule and order over the beasts and wild things beside God and also eating of the fruit of the Tree of Life; God's Wisdom. Though God ought to destroy us for our sins, and He will if we are beholden to them, because God is just and will do as He says He will. God is kind to the wicked and the ungrateful, just look at how patient He was with the Israelites as they were rescued from Pharaoh's grasp in Egypt and being sent through the wilderness to the land of milk and honey. The Israelites made many more errors that got them sent away to Babylon in chains, but God also brought them back, still occupied by foreign powers, because the Israelites before occupation prefered to worship idols. Things that God made no command to worship; meaning that they are foreign to ancient Israel. But still, God loves them. By all accounts they are God's enemies, but God is still gracious and merciful with them. God does this, in my opinion, so that those who do evil will have no excuse when Judgement comes upon them.

The real enemy isn't foreigners and aliens. One of the commands to Israel is to love the alien for they were aliens in Egypt. It isn't other people. It is the sins that are intrinsically part of them; the Serpent of old who so tempted Eve and Adam. Man was made in God's Image. To hate and do harm to Man is to hate God's Image. Show love to God's Image, no matter how God's Images are treating you.

7/7. What's on your hearts, Anons?

>>23549598
/pol/ jannies despise our Roman messiah and actively hunt down anyone who eats the bread of Christ as it was instructed upon us by the first Pope the Rock of Christ Peter. They hunt down Michael Pendergast the first pastoral Father of the Archdiocese of Winona and his entire bloodline as it continues in America's absurdist traditio. They say oh you live with your mom in your catholicc house?

>>23550371

Without knowing their story, it's best not to cast them into the mud. I think that our Father would have us say, "This is for my sins". If justice is to be done and the Word spread, God will ensure it. Is it not always God's miracles to take the lowest and make them the most high through Him? It's so against the order of the world, yet God is able to break it over His knee.

>>23550401
Yes. Perhaps you are right. I cast too much emotion in my passion. Let us remember that jannies might also come into the light, that they might become our brothers and sisters at an appointed time.

>>23550415

We all sin, and so do I. We're being asked not to sin, and also to not be beholden to it. An impossible task, which is why it's wonderful that we have Jesus Christ who can take the penalty for our sins. But, like with any gift, we don't exploit or take advantage of it. Let's make sure that why Jesus is in pain won't be because of us or anyone around us, friends, enemies, or neither.

>>23550371

I also meant to ask you, but what do you mean by "Roman messiah"? I thought Jesus was an Israelite.