Thread 23558463

If you're in the last square you passed the test and are not an NPC.

>>23558463 (OP)
but every piece of media I've ever watched or classroom I've ever been in has tried to get me to be the last square

>>23558463 (OP)
Atheism is as bad as Deism / Theism. Both making assertions you cannot possibly know for certain. Agnosticism is the only rational position currently.

>>23558463 (OP)
someone edit in the last pane americans bowing to king nigger George Fentanyl Floyd

It's actually pretty sad how many people are proudly religious on the internet, but it explains why there are so many dipshits around.

Jesus is God

>>23558463 (OP)
It’s funny how much Jesus Christ makes you fags seethe… Hope find Jesus Christ and your relentless shilling isn’t fooling anyone. Nothing worse than some atheist Satanic fags who never stop seething then you die and then have to meet Jesus Christ before you get tossed into the lake of fire.

Oh yeah herbs and spices…

>>23558467
Canada was 95% white when Christians were in charge retard

>>23558464
Yet you keep worshiping invisible people in the sky. Congrats, you're an NPC. No inner voice, can't visualize the apple, the light is on but no one is home.

>>23558470
Who fucking cares, cleetus?
Whites aren't to blame for your problems, you are for selling yourself out.
Now go get ready for work tomorrow. You have people to serve.

>>23558471
A light came into the world and the darkness has not overcome it

>>23558469
Sounds like you didn't pass the test and automatically went into defensive mode, reciting religious drivel according to your programming

Atheism was a 19th century fad and is dissappearing

HE DOES HAVE A GOOD POINT
HE'S RIGHT YOU KNOW
NOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLED
SAY SOMETHING NICE
POWERFUL
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK
WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
KNEEL
POLITICALLY SPEAKING
APOLOGIZE
BASED OR CRINGE
LET ME GUESS YOU NEED MORE
HOW DO YOU RESPOND WITHOUT SOUNDING MAD
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS
WHY DO AMERICANS
WHO WAS IN THE WRONG
DAILY REMINDER
WELL /POL/
YOUR RESPONSE
IT'S OVER
POL CAN'T REFUTE THIS
THIS IS THE POST THAT KILLED /POL/
POL BTFO
THOUGHTS?

>>23558473
You can't even tell me which version of Christianity is the true one. All NPC's can do is quote random Bible verses from a program array like it means anything

>>23558467
Lots of people are religious and don't even know it. They have fantastical beliefs about the forces behind the universe, blind faith in concepts that have never been proven, and will fanatically defend them if questioned.

"The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah"

FINALLY, someone talks sense and grows up.

All this crap about gods or even special magic "messiah" was sorta OK when it was just a precursor of Dewey Decimal system of natural phenomena and comfy banter for children like Olde Man Winter or Jack Frost, or lite duty superstition like a few Denarius to have priests sacrifice a lamb before some undertaking (which is really to fed the poor, and thus raise one's own status), but for crying out loud, can't we all agree all this religion crap was more than over by like about 400BC? (at least in Greece, but also Egypt, China, India)

IMO these Jews are the only rational "religion" beside the Oriental ancestor worship, which has the mostly unspoken flip side of living thus that you will be worthy of "worship" by your descendants AND that you will PRODUCE descendants, which is really the important part, and The Jews articulate it more directly and clearly.

"The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.

In this New World Order, the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews."


IMO one of the most compelling passages in the Protocols of Zion is "treat everyone equally" and I couldn't agree more. Anyone who claims to believe in God needs to treated like any other person professing insane delusions and giving 72hr 51-50 hold.

BTW, if you read actual ancient pagan texts, its not about "gods" as much as "being our own Messiah". All the "worship gods" is Jewish Hollywood, just like "showdowns" in the Old Westerns or Holohoax.

>>23558471
>can't visualize the apple
>invisible people
It sounds like you are the one who cannot visualize.
How do you cope with the fact that you share the same view on reality as most Jews, Feminists, Trannies, Queers, Communists, and Democrats?

(Yes, Israel is 90% atheist)

>>23558463 (OP)
kile test, if you denounce the talmud you're not a kike

Im on squares 1-2

5th

>>23558463 (OP)
Dumb le cringe atheist mutt

>>23558463 (OP)
There's scientific proof Jesus is God, it's called the shroud of Turin. It is the most extensively studied relic in the world and nobody has been able to prove it is a forgery, or how it was made. Recent x-ray scattering dates it to over 2000 years ago. The technology did not only NOT exist back then to produce it, the technology does not exist even today to produce it. Jesus Christ is God, as proven by science. Blessed are those who believe and do not see.

>>23558463 (OP)
No kidding. The AI has more soul than you.

>entire secular establishment dedicated to preventing you from believing in God
>end up not believing in good
>"I'm not the NPC"

Jesus Christ....

>>23558463 (OP)
Atheism is the dumbest of the faith-based belief systems.

>>23558481
I denounce the talmud and I spit in Jesus's face

>>23558485
It's a forgery

>>23558487
Believers in gods are a danger to society

I'm smarter than OP

>>23558490
>>23558480
OP has no response to this...

Im stage 9.

MAGIC POOP

>>23558486
You have 0 proof your god exists. Nothing. He doesn't answer prayers. He doesn't cure illness. He doesn't return. He doesn't show himself. Your god is fake and has no power.

>>23558490
Prove it

>>23558495
Shroud of Turin

>>23558495
I can show you the machine God.

>>23558493
I don't cope, I just accept reality. Christians cope over Jesus not returning for 2,000 years. Just 2 more weeks, trust the plan, it'll happen this time! Christianity IS cope.

>>23558494
Im stage 10-

...

Oh no

Oh fuck

>>23558496
>>23558497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

It's a hoax. Go ahead and update that page with your new "evidence", I'll wait.

>>23558463 (OP)
Atheism is the most midwit religion of all time. I'm not sure if I've ever met an athiest that wasn't a complete psued

Give me a (you), OP

10th square is the guy accepting that life is meaningless and nothing matters. Nihilism is the true redpill. Humans crave meaning so bad, they'll do ANYTHING for purpose. But they are NPC's who want to have meaning in their little lives. Very cute.

Meanwhile the truly jaded and hateful bitter assholes among us who have seen how shitty and gay this life is realize that nothing matters and there is no "justice" or any other abstract concept in this cursed world or the afterlife. Nothing matters. There is no fucking guy with a clipboard in the next life ready to pass judgment on you for whatever you did. The real redpill, and I mean the real one, is that nothing matters.

Anyone who believes otherwise has yet to suffer. Suffering brings a man true wisdom, not the fake garbage feminine worldview that most men hold. Suffering brings a man to the edge of truth and pushes him over. Most people fear suffering, clinging to comfort and pleasure. I have suffered, fuck life. Fuck this life.

>>23558502
Atheism is not a religion.
You are an NPC.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOO LIFE HAS MEANING YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT YOURSELF!!!!! HUMAN LIFE IS HECKIN' WHOLESOME AND PRECIOUS AND STUFF NIHILISM IS WRONGERINO!!!!!"

>>23558504
This is correct

>>23558465
What about my DMT visions that revealed the one true truth to me?

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! JESUS IS GOD'S SON AND YOU NEED HIM TO SAVE YOU FROM GOD THE FATHER WHO WANTS TO SEND YOU TO SKULLFUCK DEMON RAPE LAVA DIMENSION FOREVER FOR NOT LOVING HIM!!!!! THE BIBLE IS HECKIN WHOLESOME AND PRECIOUS AND STUFF DON'T EMBRACE NIHILISM!!!!"

>>23558505
If atheism isn't a religion then why are you here preaching about it obsessively?

>>23558505
Hey, why are you ignoring me, OP? I'm sad. I need attention.

>>23558510
To watch my enemies seethe

>>23558465
This may be in fact be so. One thing I can be certain about is that Abrahamism is a fucking plague on the white race. It's acceptance us the willing subjegation of oneself to the yids. To willingly worship a yid is the pinnacle of spiritual cuckoldry.
Fuck moses, and his burning bush
Fuck mohammed, and his buttful of zutt nutt
Fuck yeshua bar yehosef, filthy king of the jews
Christianity and its acceptance have been a disaster for the white race.

>>23558463 (OP)
based, at least The Sun gives tangible things like warmth and sustains our lives
we owe everything to Our Sun
praised be The Unconquered Sun

>>23558478
>idiocy
Typical religiobrain

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ODIN IS GOD AND YOU NEED TO BE STRONG AND NEVER MESS UP OTHERWISE YOU WILL GO TO THE SNAKEBITE RAPE DUNGEON (Náströnd) FOREVER FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH COOL SHIT OR FOR FUCKING UP SOMEHOW!!!!! NO MERCY NO FORGIVENESS NO WEAKNESS ONLY STRENGTH FOREVER REEEEEEE!!!!! YOUR BLOOD IS ALL THAT MATTERS IT'S HECKIN WHOLESOME AND PRECIOUS AND STUFF DON'T EMBRACE NIHILISM!!!!"

>>23558471
You worship Chuck Schumer. So there's that. Black science man is your priest, and black cruminals are your saints. But it never mattered less on stolen land.
Also, climate change and shieet.

>>23558463 (OP)
The interesting thing is that people from all over the world, seperated from each other for thousands of years, enough to cause genetic variations we know as race, all independently developed a similar concept of "god". The differences in interpretation of god can be summed up as simply cultural differences, no different than any other cultural difference that exists. God exists, but what god is cannot be fully interpreted by man. It's possible that some got close, and that resembles the major religions we know today, or it could all be bullshit. Who knows.

>>23558511
Based as fuck brother.
Death to every heathen. Preferably a violent and painful one.

>>23558512
Oh boy.

>>23558511
The shroud was made using a crystal pinhole lens and a dead body dressed up like Jesus was projected with sunlight onto a cloth dipped in silver nitrate. It's been replicated and this primitive technology was available in the 13th century. Only an idiot would fall for that hoax.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! MONEY IS GOD AND YOU NEED TO BE A GOOD WORKER BEE AND BE MOTIVATED TO EARN MONEY AND START A FAMILY SO THE SLAVE CYCLE KEEPS GOING FOREVER!!!!! IF YOU LOSE MOTIVATION THEN YOU'LL STOP BEING PROFITABLE THAT'S BAD!!!! WHAT'S YOUR CREDIT SCORE? WHAT'S YOUR BANK ACCOUNT BALANCE? WANT TO OWN A HOME? DON'T EMBRACE NIHILISM, KEEP THE CYCLE GOING!!!! MONEY!!!!!

>>23558499
I'm sorry that your religious dad told you what to do, I hope you can overcome your childhood trauma one day

>>23558489
Based

>>23558488
>even more retardation
Christkikes must be put to the sword

>>23558519
You won't do shit.
Jesus won't return.
You're already defeated.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ENTERTAINMENT IS GOD AND YOU NEED TO BE ENTERTAINED AND NEVER MISS A GAME OTHERWISE YOU WILL MISS THE DOPAMINE DUMP YOU COULD HAVE GOT FROM WITNESSING THE ENTERTAINMENT!!!!! DOPAMINE IS ALL THAT MATTERS, ALSO NOSTALGIA IS HECKIN WHOLESOME REMEMBER LE 90'S?? ME TOO!!!!!!!! DON'T EMBRACE NIHILISM, IMAGINE ALL THE DOPAMINE YOU HAVE YET TO FEEL!!!!

>>23558523
Why? Jesus is returning in 2 more weeks and he's going to fix everything!

Cool story bro

>>23558529
>no argument
typical

>>23558521
Ok.

>>23558527
>>23558522
So you are an insane person. I mean no harm, just passing by. Noticed you were nuts. Just passing by.

>>23558530
>no bitches
typical

>>23558530
No one is obligated to argue with you. No one is obligated to engage with you.

>>23558534
You just did

Seethe

"It's all meaningless. Nothing matters, nothing remains. All of it is garbage and trash. Fake lies holding up more fake lies. Endless system of misery and death. Fuck life. Fuck existence. Fuck the earth. Fuck everyone and everything. Death to the world."

"LIFE HAS MEANIN---ACK!!!!"

*Entire life forgotten within 100 years.*

>>23558463 (OP)
Without some kind of religion, even a civic religion that people don't literally believe in, to provide a baseline for morality, customs, culture, and other practices, everyone atomizes into braindead consumers who become fat, infertile retards and are erased by the first competing group not to do these things. Case in point: your entire retarded country.

>>23558463 (OP)
Wrong satan go to hell hellnis real space is fskd get off the board srop regurgitating rabbicanal nice heretics error asswioe shit you are a liar gayhetist aka jews get the rope first nice khalism you finance and then larp bakc synagogue go to hell abbie hoffman el Diablo and llarona got something to say plus the Aztec santa muerte dumbass and phantasms

Atheists believe in 900 genders and men getting pregnant and vote accordingly.

>>23558531
Yeah, that's how it was done. Jewish space lasers didn't shoot of out Jesus's face onto the cloth. It's just sunlight etching. Welp, have fun worshiping a 2,000 year old dead Jew as God for the rest of your life retard, so glad I'm not you.

>>23558504
>10,000 updoots on r/atheism

"I spent my life worshiping [insert deity] by attending [insert church] and reading [insert holy book]!"

*Entire existence forgotten within 200 years. Descendants look and speak nothing like him. Entire bloodline tainted and corrupted. Entire language tainted and corrupted. Hometown turned into a parking lot for walmart where niggers dump their trash and shit into toilets. His blood is now mingled with their shit and waste. His descendants mock his memory and shit on his corpse."

>>23558542
See
>>23558506

10,000 cumdoots up your mom's fatass dumb nigger eat shit and die

>>23558540
I'll vote for 1,000 genders just to see you cry

>>23558463 (OP)
I don’t believe in religion at all but I do think there is some sort of upper being somewhere in the cosmos
What does that make me OP?

>>23558533
>projection
Typical. I'm white, married to a white woman with two whiye sons. You on the other hand, pretend your social ineptitude and inability to get a female to so much as glance at you is piety and sacrifice.
I am worth 500 of you.

"NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BALL IS LIFE NIGGA JUST GIT GUD AND BITCHES BE TWERKIN ON YO NUTS FO REEL NIGGA DONT BE TRIPPIN BOUT NO NIHILISM TF THAT EVEN MEAN NIGGA YOU READ TOO MUCH NOW PASS DA BALL!!!!!!!"

>>23558543
>*Entire existence forgotten within 200 years.
What? You're forgotten while you're still alive.

>>23558463 (OP)
Ok so who made the sun?
Why was Akhenaten brutally assassinated by his own priests?
Is the last panel implying sun worship or atheism?

>>23558540
Yes. Some atheists believe that. And those atheists are stupid. All religiotards believe in fairy tales.

>>23558463 (OP)
Reminder that christians believe that god sacrificed himself to himself to absolve you of the sin you were born with because some guy and girl in a garden listened to a talking snake and ate an apple that god put there.

>>23558463 (OP)
>be Muhammad
>split the moon
>talk to rocks
>talk to angels

>be Christ
>walk on water
>heal some guys ear
>resurrect only to die again a few days later

But one is for sandniggers and one is hecking based and valid, right /pol/?

>>23558549
>>23558549
Some are, some aren't. But even those who's names live forever are misremembered and end up being mocked and made fun of. Name a historical figure and ask yourself if that figure is properly remembered today. Is that figure revered? Was his vision upheld by his descendants? Would he be happy with the state of his vision today?

The answer is always no. Never. And that's the MINORITY of the population that have their names remembered. The overwhelming majority of people, like you said, are forgotten while still alive. Nothing matters.

>>23558544
That is literally the image of your typical atheist redditor you fucking faggot. >>23558506

>>23558545
>I'll vote for 1,000 genders just to see you cry
You were gonna vote for it anyway you tranny loving faggot.

>>23558553
Both are for sandniggers. Neither has any place outside the sandbox.

>>23558555
Seethe jew worshipper. Seethe.

>>23558463 (OP)
>stop believing things i don't believe!!!1!1

>>23558551
>Yes. Some atheists believe that.
Try 78% of them.
>All religiotards believe in fairy tales.
Atheists thought the "Big Bang Theory" was a fairy tale made up by a Catholic priest. How did that work out in the end?

>>23558558
>Seethe jew worshipper. Seethe.
Reality hurts. That pic looks like you. And Jesus Christ is the way to Salvation.

>>23558463 (OP)
Dont care, not gonna stop believing and trying to help others onto the path to salvation, I pray for the deliverance of your demon possessed vessel

>>23558469
No kidding this is like the 4th thread tonight from these seething satanic faggots upset people discovered the evil behind their TST grift.

>>23558550
A space nebula and gravity made the sun

>>23558555
Exactly. I'm mocking Atheists with that post. Do I have to spell it out for you? Most Atheists are just Christians -1 more god. They are culturally christian. Believing life has meaning, doing good to people, all that liberal shit. Just like you, except also more degenerate since they like fags.

But it's just a different shade of the same color. You're all the same. Oh yes I'm sure you're very pious and you're God's #1 warrior. I'm sure your interpretation of the Bible is the truest interpretation. How lucky God is to have you as his defender. Bravo!!!!!

Suffering is the only antidote for the opium that most people consume. Regardless of what title they give themselves, all NPC's are addicted to it. Life is meaningless. Nothing matters. It will only get worse. Death is release.

>>23558467
>>23558472
Are you actually posting an image of yourself on 4chan?

>>23558565
>Exactly. I'm mocking Atheists with that post. Do I have to spell it out for you? Most Atheists are just Christians
This is maximum cope posting right here.
>still with the reddit spacing

>>23558560
How did Jesus returning work out for Christians?
Oh that's right, he still hasn't LMAO

>>23558554
>Nothing matters.
which is why love is rebellion. we are faced with insurmountable defeat and in the face of it we laugh and love.

>>23558500
WE ARE STAGE 11

WE HAVE MUCH TO SHOW YOU

>>23558567
Those are called paragraphs you high school dropout.

>>23558568
>How did Jesus returning work out for Christians?
It hasn't happened yet. But atheists were btfo by the Big Bang Theory (that was the name the atheists at time gave the theory because a Catholic Priest wrote it from the angle of "how would God have created the universe?"). Now atheists use the Big Bang Theory as evidence AGAINST God. They have no grasp on reality. They just blurt out idiocy.

>>23558563
Satan is just another jewish invention. Did you know in the book of Job, Satan shows up and basically talks shit to God right to his face? Read Job chapter 1. Satan shows up to Heaven (I guess the war never happened or if it did he got let back in after being cast out????) and basically talks shit about God right to his face.

And God sits there and just gives it right back like he's shooting the shit with a friend. Read the chapter!!

Summary:
Satan shows up to Heaven. God asks Satan "Hey where have you been lately?" Satan says "oh you know going to and fro in the earth, up and down in it, yadda yadda." God says "Cool cool, so have you seen my servant Job? Guy worships the FUCK out of me." Satan is like "Nah he's only simping for the money and benefits. Cut him off and he'll forget about you." God is like "You're on!! You can take all his stuff but don't kill him or his family...yet heheheh."

And basically God keeps letting satan do worse shit to Job until Job is reduced to a pus-covered subhuman scraping boils off his disgusting body and his wife telling him to curse god and die. Then God shows up in a big whirlwind and is like OOOOOGA BOOGA!!!!!!!! I MADE THE EARTH AND CREATED EVERYTHING!!!!! YOU CAN'T QUESTION ME!!!!!! APOLOGIZE!!!!!! and Job is like "Yes King please forgive me I am a bad boy I'm sorry for existing I am scum and trash let me be your paypiggy again!!!" And Yahweh is like "Ok ok but only because you asked so nicely."

>>23558571
>Those are called paragraphs you high school dropout.
This is a mongolian mud hut crafting board you fucking faggot. Is green texting part of the high school formatting style? What about posting webms? Are you fucking retarded? Double spacing is unnecessary and it's how reddit forces their users to post. It accidentally made these retards easy to identify.

>>23558463 (OP)
Magic invisible animals in the sky was peak.

The people who make the world worse hate Christianity more than anything, therefore it's good.

>>23558572
>It hasn't happened yet.
2 more weeks

Atheists don't use the Big Bang theory as evidence against God you retarded boomer. The Big Bang just means the universe was more dense in the past and then it inflated over time.

>>23558463 (OP)
not over yet. now in the last square they pray niggers, faggots and troons

>>23558574
It's paragraphs in a text field.

You have no job.

>>23558463 (OP)
You are grossly straw-manning the concept of God if you think any of these squares are in anyway accurate depictions. Your concept of God is way to small and powerless.

>>23558463 (OP)
Indeed, the sun, Sol, is the one true God and our creator - the source of all life on earth.
Praise the Sun.

>>23558574
Good thing I used a format style you dislike, otherwise you'd have to address what I actually said. Good argument lol.

The great thing is none of this matters. I'm only posting because it makes me feel good, and feeling good is the only real meaning in life. As soon as I get bored, I'll bounce.

Uh oh, here's another spooky paragraph again. OoOoOoOoOoOo I didn't just type the entire comment in one big blurt like a facebook post!!!! Now you have a chance to win the argument and banish me to the shadow realm!!

lmao you're a worthless subhuman and when you die nobody will care. People may attend the funeral but within hours they'll be eating and watching tv. Nothing matters. Fuck your life lol I will keep using reddit spacing as long as it makes me feel good.

>>23558557
Can we finally admit that “prophets” were probably just schizophrenics that started cults? I’m extremely suspicious of anything written hundreds of years after these supposed “prophets” were already long dead, and the “witnesses” of these “miracles” were conveniently a handful of people that were all part of the cult. I believe in God btw, but the Bible/Koran as historical documents are extremely unconvincing. If you’ve ever seen Zeitgeist it does a pretty job showing that the story of Jesus, whether or not he was a real person, was an amalgamation of a lot of different religious stories rolled into one. Like I said, I believe in God, and I think religion is a fundamental part of human spirituality, and it’s helpful for a lot of people, but did Jesus actually exist, performed miracles, and was the literal actual son of god? I don’t know. If you want me to worship this person as a prophet it’s going to take a lot more than a few guys writing decades after the events themselves saying “it totally happened, trust me bro”

>>23558577
>reddit spacing
>Atheists don't use the Big Bang theory as evidence against God you retarded boomer.
ZOMG! They don't green text in HIGH SCHOOL! What are you doing?! Are you a dropout!?
And yes, atheists point to the Big Bang Theory in the "science vs God" debates not knowing it's based on God.

>>23558580
NPC detected

>>23558581
Reasonable

>>23558575
It still is peak, fellow furfag.
The next step we actually need is "Animals who claim to have come from the sky".

>>23558579
>>23558582
r/atheism tards right here.
>It's paragraphs in a text field.
So why are you green texting?

>>23558581
The sun is not alive and doesn't care for your worship. Someday it will die like everything else. Nothing matters and your pitiful life spent thinking about burning gas in space is not noble. Just sad. Pitiful little german, lost the war and now you stare at the sun and post on 4chan. If only there was a god then perhaps Hitler would have prevailed. Unfortunately for us all there is not and he lost because he didn't have the courage to nuclear and virus bomb england. Oh well, now we suffer forever just as we would have anyway since nothing matters. All is futile. Enjoy staring at the sun lol.

>>23558506
Imagine coming home one night and this is just standing there when you turn the lights on. "I saw your posts on r/niggersmusthang" It's voice is like nails on a chalkboard. "that's heckin racist." it steps closer, it's mouth is getting bigger and bigger. You wake up, letting out a deep breath. It's standing above your bed.

>>23558584
God is not mentioned in the Big Bang Theory, it's just about cosmic inflation, not even about origin of energy.

Learn how paragraphs work, get your GED.

>>23558588
You're boring. Your god is fake. Your life is worthless and meaningless. Nothing matters and your prayers are wasted. Any family members or friends you had that have died no longer exist and you will never see them again. When you die you will be obliterated. Nothing matters. Give up. Stop trying. Lay down and die. Accept the decay. Embrace the rot.

>>23558589
>stare at the sun
This should definitely be avoided. It's too grossly incandescent.
But anyway: I doubt anything could be claimed to be alive and not die. How would life even be defined then? Simply being, a perpetual existence, is not life.

>>23558591
>God is not mentioned in the Big Bang Theory
I never said it was, but the CATHOLIC PRIEST who wrote theory wrote from the angle of "how would GOD have created the universe?" and he went from there. When he published atheists MOCKED his theory and called it the "Big Bang Theory". Now they ALL accept it as science fact. The #1 theory on how the universe was created was done by a Catholic Priest from the question "How would God have done it".
Atheists can't even accept this historical fact without deflecting and reeeeing like you are right now.
>Learn how paragraphs work, get your GED.
Learn how 4chan works. And funny how you are ok with green texting. Was that taught in high school too? You've lost so bad that it's embarrassing. As most atheists tend to be.

>>23558570
Stage 12, here

Im just a regular guy

"Reddit spacing!!! Reddit spacing!!!! /r/atheism!!!!! Hah fucking jew!! Christ is kang!!!!"

*10 years later, gets cancer diagnosis*

"Please God heal me! Please give me the strength to fight it! Please lord I am loyal to you!!"

*Dies*
*Gets forgotten*
*Nobody cares*
*God not real*
*Soul obliterated*
*Body rots*
*Descendants fuck niggers*
*Country collapses*
*Hometown paved into parking lot*
*Body discovered 1,000 years later and propped up in museum*
*Unrecognizable monkey people walk past and ogle his skeleton*

>>23558480
>Yes, Israel is 90% atheist
Honesty is impossible for christkikes. Hell even fags are about a 50/50 split.

>>23558594
Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Catholic priest and physicist, proposed what became the Big Bang theory using physics and math, not theology. He never framed it as “how would God create the universe.” The term “Big Bang” was coined later by astronomer Fred Hoyle during a radio show, not by atheists mocking him. The theory gained acceptance because of strong scientific evidence, not religion.

In general, sure, submitting to any concrete label like a religion is pretty unproductive, for lots of people it is the rational choice. Even though most atheists wont call themselves such, they do worship something, that something is ultimately the big thing 'reason', the problem with atheists is that most of the other things they worship to a lesser degree are toxic and lead deathward

>>23558469
>literally no one:
>It’s funny how much Jesus Christ makes you fags seethe… Hope find Jesus Christ and your relentless shilling isn’t fooling anyone. Nothing worse than some atheist Satanic fags who never stop seething then you die and then have to meet Jesus Christ before you get tossed into the lake of fire.
id probably be lashing out too if i found out i was even gayer than atheist satanic fags

>>23558598
>proposed what became the Big Bang theory using physics and math, not theology.
Uh, not. He approached the problem with "How would God have created the universe" and worked his equations from there. Atheists just can't accept reality.
>The term “Big Bang” was coined later by astronomer Fred Hoyle during a radio show, not by atheists mocking him.
Are you retarded. Holye was an ATHEIST and the "Big Bang Theory" was a term of mockery. Atheists really have a problem with reality.
>The theory gained acceptance because of strong scientific evidence
Yes, from a CATHOLIC PRIEST, based on the question "How would God have done it". Atheists mocked the theory.

You are either hard-wired for religion or you're not. The trick is to be totally honest with yourself to realize your own truth. Arguing about it is simply a waste of everyone's time.

>>23558602
Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest and physicist, developed the idea that became the Big Bang theory through mathematics and astronomy, not theology. He never began with “How would God create the universe?” and clearly separated his science from his faith. Fred Hoyle coined the term “Big Bang” in 1949 while opposing the theory, but he was an agnostic, not an atheist. The theory gained acceptance because of strong scientific evidence, not religion or mockery.

Should have stayed in school.

When you accept the word of God you literally begin to feel His love and positive influence in your life. When you are without God you are empty inside and use worldly things to fill that void, but deep down you know you can never fill it.

>>23558463 (OP)
Eh, it pisses kikes off to know that you're a Christian, so I'll gladly be one.. just... ya know... never do any of the shit

>>23558560
Some atheists believe that
>hurgledeburglebluggahduggahdoo SeVeИтУ eIgHt percent
I doubt the veracity of that number. However, that's some. Some is an indeterminate quantity. Your "gotcha" attempt has failed. Like the disgusting yid yedhua bar yehosef has failed to return.
>red herring as whataboutism
Completely irrelevant to the discussion. But cool, I guess? You still believe in fairy tales.

>>23558561
Except it doesn't. Not even a little bit. I'm clean shaven, with tightly cropped hair. Also, I'm slim. But whatever makes you feel better yid idolizer.

>>23558583
Checked
All religion is retarded. Whether you believe in 1 god or 1000. Islam and judaism are facially evil. Christianity is the faith of cuckoldry. One need look for evidence no further than the undying loyalty to yidsrael shown by christians, especially those of the varying protestant denominations. There is no greater group of jew cuckolds than the born agains/evangelicals. They would gladly and willingly subjugate their nation to the kikes because they believe their god told them so.
Now, I should think it clear by now that I don't believe in gods. That said, I think yeshua was a real person. He was just one of many 1st century rabbis preaching an endtimes sermon, which was quite popular at the time. It's likely he was crucified for sedition/refusing to accept the utter supremacy of the Romans and their gods. And that's pretty much where any semblance of reality exits stage left.
Dead people don't come back to life. The resurrection story was fabricated by his acolytes to maintain the lie that he was a deity in flesh, since a deity that could be killed by a spaghetti bender ain't much of a deity at all. But, I mean jews lying? Who ever heard of such a thing.

>>23558487
so in your mind you think they put complimentary bibles in every hotel room on earth because they dont want you worshipping their god?

what about the 50 churches every square mile you always drive by with the empty parking lots? did they put them literally everywhere so you wouldnt worship their god?

jewish sustenance relies on christian membership. is that not obvious?

>>23558604
>Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest and physicist, developed the idea that became the Big Bang theory through mathematics and astronomy, not theology. He never began with “How would God create the universe?”
"Georges Lemaître
did not specify how God would have created the universe, but his "primeval atom" hypothesis, or Big Bang theory, proposed that the universe began from a single point and expanded, a creation that was compatible with his Catholic faith and the idea of a creator. "
>Fred Hoyle coined the term “Big Bang” in 1949 while opposing the theory, but he was an agnostic, not an atheist.
It says "British Atheists" and "20th century atheists" on his wiki. The term "Big Bang Theory" was meant as mockery and the theory itself was not accepted right away.
>The theory gained acceptance because of strong scientific evidence,
I agree
>or mockery.
The mockery came first, then the acceptance.
>Should have stayed in school.
I see you are not green texting anymore.

>>23558599
>worship reason
Actually makes a lot of sense.
People created gods to make sense of incomprehensible phenomena like lightning or the tides, and while many things today can be explained, being midwits, reason is beyond their ken, and as such must have a religion constructed around it and be worshipped as an infallible but incomprehensible god, lest they must acknowledge their own stupidity as a scientific fact.
Only in this way can they face people actually capable of proper reasoning so brazenly and declare them anathema.

>>23558607
>I doubt the veracity of that number.
78% voted Kamala. Dems are tranny lovers. Math adds up.
> You still believe in fairy tales.
Trannyism is the biggest fairy tale.
>Except it doesn't. Not even a little bit. I'm clean shaven, with tightly cropped hair. Also, I'm slim. But whatever makes you feel better yid idolizer.
Sure thing reddit spacer.

>>23558471
Christ is king. Get over it.

>>23558512
So not only did you refuse to reject you are preaching a religion, but you admit that anyone who isn't part of your religion is an enemy. How dogmatic of you. What an utterly NPC thing to do. You're literally just lines of code repeating things you heard from some authority figure to release dopamine in your brain from. Literally a slave to thoughts you didn't come up with yourself that does nothing but masturbate. Wholly unoriginal and hedonistic

>>23558520
It's hilarious how much he hides from literal AI responses. It's like watching a bot bully an inferior bot

>>23558463 (OP)
sun worship coded. kiked

>>23558605
>not hallucinating le bad
We are, in fact, not empty inside but possess an inner monologue.

>>23558490
Your life is a forgery. Snap.

>>23558613
By denfinition only trannies vote because voting identifies as changing things for the better, but it never does. If you vote you're a troon.

>>23558610
You aren't addressed in the post, so, no.

>>23558613
>shitton of non sequitors
K. I accept your concession.

>>23558614
>christ is KANG
nah

>>23558620
>>shitton of non sequitors
Ok....
>atheists aren't tranny lovers
>78% of atheists voted for the tranny party
>HERR HERR NON SEQUITORS
You lost faggot

>>23558463 (OP)
The JIDF is trying real hard to convince people not to be Christians, aren't they?

>>23558621
It’s all good. You do you.

>>23558465
>Agnosticism
IOW living like an atheist with social avoidance issues

>>23558463 (OP)
rollin for 2

>>23558463 (OP)
Kabbalah is none of this.

>>23558614
of the Jews

>>23558463 (OP)
the true redpiller antisemite is on the second square

>>23558472
>>23558467
Go to bed Shelby

>>23558616
kikes worship saturn
not the sun

>>23558625
It has literally nothing in common with atheism.
It's also obvious that theism is better than atheism, but your religions and gods are false in any case, painfully obviously so.
I understand this might seem confusing to people who can't tell things apart.

>>23558554
imagine caring about if some retards remember you in the future
imagine even caring about if god is real or not
I'm not even an atheist, I just don't give a fuck.

>>23558624
>acting nonchalant while simping for a dead kike on a stick.
“You do you” he says while thinking in his head how great it will be to watch you get skullfucked by a demon in hell. lol, it’s all so tiresome. Just embrace the rot and accept that life is meaningless.

>>23558555
Pic related is literally you and many like you.

>>23558634
There is no reddit gold for you here with le edgy shit like this, retard. Go fuck a tranny.

>>23558635
>Pic related is literally you and many like you.
Wow, you sure showed me! Reddit atheists based on all pics available aren't fat neckbeard balding cringelords. Thanks for clearing that up, retard.

>>23558637
I accept your concession.

>>23558615
I do it to watch seethe posts like this. You worship a Jew as God, you are the enemy. Try to get me to bow to your Jewking, try it.

>>23558638
Ok....
>you: That pic looks like YOU!
>me: well, based on all evidence (20 years worth), it looks like reddit atheists
>you: I WIN

>>23558463 (OP)
thats true about the rock look up the Makapansgat pebble

>>23558463 (OP)
I believe in something, but I think all religions are mostly fake. Maybe based on an iota of truth.

Like... I'm reading about an early Christian ascetic that marooned himself on top of a pillar for 36 years and gained magic powers. His story was written down three times. Once by someone he personally knew before he even died. Another time 40 years after he died. And another time after that. The first chronicle is very simple, straightforward, only a few magical bits. In the second chronicle he's taming dragons. The third chronicle is even crazier. So obviously, even in just the span of 40 years, the story was already starting to get exaggerated, it was starting to get embellished, people were using the original story to push their own small theological ideas and whatnot.

Now look at the bible. A lot of it was written down 100 years after Christ's death. You're telling me it's the unadulterated word of god? No. Many biblical scholars like Enoch Powell thought the bible was heavily rewritten from earlier sources to try and bring more people into the fold and soothe grievances with various groups. The Koran has even more problems. The Torah & Talmud have probably been jewed into the opposite of whatever the text was originally.

I think any religion that requires texts to function is probably fake because there's no way those texts are genuine at this point.

>>23558463 (OP)
The actual history.

>>23558623
If all abrahamic religion disappeared overnight, do you think the planet would devolve into chaos? If so, how fast? You'd be getting rid of everything including kikery. Would you be willing to trade getting rid of muzzrats and christcucks to also de-fang judenrats?

>>23558465
This.
Theist tards say "Muh god(s) did it".
Atheist tards say "Muh science did it".

>>23558623
christians are why jews control everything. keep trying to push the slave morality religion though

>>23558501
Woah the trannies that run wikipedia said that? This really changes things.

>>23558644
Why single out Abrahamic religions specifically? Non-Abrahamic religions are even worse.

>>23558501
I didn't even see this. If the Shroud is "hoax" explain how it was made. Spoiler alert: science can't explain how.

>>23558463 (OP)
>growing up and seeing jews for what they are, and being enlightened as to unite his people under national socialism
Yes

>>23558614
of jews.

>>23558639
It's kinda mind boggling, isn't it? What even gave them the idea? Purely theologically speaking Christianity is the worst Abrahamic religion. At least the other two actually are monotheist.
Would it have been difficult to simply accept Jesus as a prophet? Probably not, but for some reason they had to shit all over his teachings.
That said, in purely practical terms they're the same blatantly made up larps, with people incapable to even acknowledge the origin of monotheism, their most fundamental, unscriptural doctrine.
One has to wonder whether they actually read their books.
In a better world it would have been them who got wiped out, instead of wiping out others and even their own marginally less retarded sects.
I'd go so far as to say the reason these faiths still have so many believers is the vast majority of adherents not studying theology.

>>23558463 (OP)
I'm happy with my relationship with Jesus. Maybe you'll grow out of your emo phase.

>>23558472
Are you single?

>>23558471
I know you're being edgy anon but you only get 1 chance, find Christ wake up

>>23558649
Can you prove it's real and it's actually jesus?
Pro tip: You can't.

>>23558624
I, too, extend the olive branch. You do you, let me do me. As long as you [the editorial you, not you specifically] don't proselytize to me, we're golden.

>>23558656
Irrelevant.
How many items exist on this planet where the answer to how it was made is "I don't know"?

>>23558652
You remind me of the atheist Four Horsemen back in the 2010s. They would go to the most retarded people imaginable, call them retarded, and return home with a smug grin on their face. They never attempted to grapple with the core doctrines of any religion. A lot of theists do the same when they call atheists and agnostics gay or transgender then go about their day.

>>23558463 (OP)
God is real but the torah and the gospels of the friends of the friends of jews who allegedly knew yeshua bar yosef are not

If god disagrees may he strike me down tomorrow. Set my carriage alight and drag me to hell.

>>23558463 (OP)
you forgot to take the drugs. that's why all that crap was invisible.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/biSY2OEAuOVz

>>23558653
>I'm happy being brown!

>>23558658
Millions. Try again.

>>23558475
>Atheism was a 19th century fad and is disappearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6GEV5gIwzM&t=528s

>>23558663
>Millions. Try again.
Ok. Name a few.

>>23558463 (OP)
Growing up is worshiping the sun?

>>23558656
It’s actually a demon leaving its host, an echo of a mind, a self that knows itself, one of the first men, the first attempts god made at dividing himself to truly experience creation. All demons are god but not. All demons have always been, before abraham they were, before man they were, and man they sometimes are. We once called them gods. It took a while for one to tell the truth. They are, and came from, god, but are not god. But god they wish to monopolize because they were first and every demon says that only they are the way to god. They abhor man knowing

That we, too, are god, but not, as is every living thing on earth. And still god sees us, knows us, and judges us, beholding our free will as the greatest and most terrible dream he has ever had, waiting for the day he can reclaim us and do with us what we have earned.

>>23558665
>Name a few
Literally most artifacts items in a museum. Have you been to one?
Besides, the onus is on you to prove it is real and not the other way around. Try again theist tard.

>>23558632
spell it out klaus, how does an agnostic live different than an atheist? adhere to a different deity every day?

I denounce the Talmud!
I denounce the Torah
I proclaim Total Kike Death
Chabad Lubavitch is boiling in a couldron of shit in hell.

Having said that, abrahamics: muzzrats, christogolems and fedoraists, need to be exterminated also.

The kikeoid victory against native faiths must be reversed before any other religion can be adopted by caucasians.

>>23558668
>Literally most artifacts items in a museum. Have you been to one?
Uh, they KNOW how those artifacts were MADE you fucking retard. Again please give an example of these specific artifacts where a scientist says "We have no idea how this object was made".
>Besides, the onus is on you to prove it is real and not the other way around. Try again theist tard.
The cloth "exists", that proves that it's "REAL", the debate is whether it's a forgery or from the Body of Christ. The scientific answer? "Uh, we don't know and we can't duplicate it today".
What a lying faggot you are.
I want this list of artifacts that scientists can't explain how they were made. But I doubt you will respond to this post.

>>23558655
I know you're being edgy anon but you only get 1 chance, find Jesus', call him fake, gay and jewish, wake up.

>>23558659
My main emotion when confronting ignorance is merely pity, as the answers are right there out in the open, free for the taking to anyone willing to ask questions.
They simply lack the will or are so deeply indoctrinated they actively refuse to search for truth entirely.
I understand that for some people the mere idea of having erred is exceedingly painful, but I can't say I can comprehend the attitude. The first prerequisite for learning is a willingness to be proven wrong. Without this every road is a dead end.

I can believe in the sun god, and the proof of his love will be warmth and food harvests, and he exists in matter as a sphere. Having believed in the Jewish god, I learn that he stole everything from the other gods, saying that he created it all. Okay, maybe you exist in physical condition? Lol, no, goy, you won't see me.

>>23558463 (OP)
>grow up
>still an infant spiritually
do you think you learned anything in high school? with scraps of knowledge thrown at you to babysit niggers?

>>23558673
You're describing the beginning of knowledge. Where is the yesh to your ayin?

>>23558465
Cool, and are you also agnostic about faeries, dragons, ghosts, Spiderman etc.?

>>23558639
You're so blindly religious that you are fighting imaginary people.
I worship zero desert religions. I'm a stoic deist, which means the use of free will and reason is the truest form of worship and expression of God's intent.
I'm just here to laugh at your midwit atheist religion.

>>23558499
>the 2000 year mark will be in a decade or so

>>23558671
>They KNOW how those artifacts were MADE
No they don't. It's an estimate at best. You cant create the same artifacts the same way they were before.

>Cloth exists so it's real
Who the fuck is claiming cloth is fake retard? You still don't know if it's actually christ. Your oooga booga brain goes "I don't know who did it, it must be muh god!". The onus is still on you to prove it was jesus. Reply only if you have proof it was jesus and stop with the "who else could it be?!?!"

>>23558669
>adhere to a different deity every day?
Originally I was going to write a witty rebuke to this but it's actually quite close to the truth - it may well appear as such, depending on where your perpetual investigation takes you. All possibilities will be acknowledged and all routes explored - just not necessarily one per day.
Agnostics may well become the supreme experts on religion and theism in general. Who else has reason to look everywhere and seek god everywhere? Definitely not the ones who have already found god or those who reject the possibility of gods.
I know all gods, yet know nothing about them. Doesn't make them more or less real.
But it's justified to be critical of many religions, especially when they aren't consistent within themselves.
Often religions and their gods are, paradoxically, rather starkly separated, but that's not always the case.

>>23558680
>No they don't. It's an estimate at best. You cant create the same artifacts the same way they were before.
Are you retarded. I would say 100% of items in a museum are vases, primitive art works, weapons, masks, etc and any scientist can tell you the materials used to make them and how they were made. They can't do this with the Shroud. Please give ONE EXAMPLE of an artifact where a scientist says "We don't know how it's made". I already gave my example: The Shroud of Turin.
>Who the fuck is claiming cloth is fake retard?
Atheists.
>Your oooga booga brain goes "I don't know who did it, it must be muh god!".
Explain how it's man made and I won't believe it has anything to do with God.
>Reply only if you have proof it was jesus and stop with the "who else could it be?!?!"
That's impossible. I can't prove that. But YOU can prove how the image got on there....oh wait, you can't.
If you can't give ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE of a scientist saying "We don't know how this item was made" then you 100% lost the argument. Shouldn't be too hard, according to you are there "million of them". HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>23558668
like alot of shit. the roman dodecohedrons, damascus steel, greek fire, just off the top of my head. but the shroud aint one of them tho.
>find cadaver
>wrap face like a mummy with a shit rag
>sell to jewish cousin in the church
>profit
>rinse (not the shit rag), repeat 30 more times to 30 other (((cousins))) working in 30 other churches

>>23558704
>like alot of shit. the roman dodecohedrons
The don't know what it did, but they know how it was MADE.
>damascus steel
They know what it is and can remake it today.
>greek fire
Lost to time. There is no jar of Greek Fire to examine. If there was, they would break down what it is.
>but the shroud aint one of them tho.
They don't know how the Shroud was made, retard.
>that pic
So one Pope doesn't believe it, but other do and you laser in on that one Pope that doesnt'?
>find cadaver
>wrap face like a mummy with a shit rag
>sell to jewish cousin in the church
>profit
>rinse (not the shit rag), repeat 30 more times to 30 other (((cousins))) working in 30 other churches
Debunked. That's not how it was made.

>>23558463 (OP)
For me it's magic animals.
Not in the sky though, that's just silly.

>>23558701
>I don't know who did it therefore god
Truly an ooga booga retard.

>Can't prove it's jesus
>PROVE IT'S NOT!!!
Room temperature IQ. Can you prove it wasn't some random retard from middle east who happened to have magical powers but was not jesus?
Pro tip: You can't.

>HAHAHAHAHA
Ramblings of a nigger brain who lost the debate. Concession accepted.

>>23558463 (OP)
"if you believe in this one form of religion, you don't have a soul, but otherwise you do"
interesting religion OP, fuck you

>>23558701
What are you smoking? All else failing they can still date the fabric, which they did, fabricated in the 13th or 14th century.

>>23558720
In your bed? Except unfortunately they're not real.

>>23558723
>Truly an ooga booga retard.
Still can't give ONE EXAMPLE out of the "MILLIONS" (lol) of artifacts where scientists say "We don't know how it was made"
>Room temperature IQ.
Ok, it's not Jesus. Now prove how it was made.
>Ramblings of a nigger brain who lost the debate. Concession accepted.
Can't give ONE EXAMPLE. There is ONE TIME on this entire planet's history where EVERY SCIENTIST says "We don't know how that was made" and that item is the Shroud of Turin.
But please, enlighten us with these "millions" of other items that fall into this category. You reddit spacing faggot. HAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>23558701
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>>23558739
you guys should know the OP thread was not made in good faith
it was in fact made to get you to SHITFLING
that's why i think you should stop

>>23558737
But wait, I'm agnostic, so maybe they are. I don't want to appear biased, which however I am.

>>23558734
>All else failing they can still date the fabric, which they did, fabricated in the 13th or 14th century.
The cloth took major smoke damage which is known to throw off carbon dating. But lets say it was made in the 14th century. HOW was it made? There is still no answer for this. There is not another item on this entire planet's history where scientists say "We don't know how it was made".

>>23558701
>Cloth carbon dated to be between 13-14th century
>Doesn't take into account the warping on the face
>No recorded history for 1300 years, appears out of nowhere in some random small church in France.
>Christcucks: THIS IS JESUS! AMEN!

>>23558744
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>>23558750
you should all uhhhh
yeah

on the other hand, mabe just keep going for 70 more replies so that this shit thread disappears faster

hate when they actually DO calm down but then get revived by some 1pbtid faggot a day later

>>23558742
It's not like I was engaging in a consistent argument. The sun is a pretty decent candidate for a god figure. Definitely justified to worship it considering it's largely responsible for things down here.

>>23558745
Woven, I presume? But I admit I have no idea, I'm not a tailor, maybe it was crocheted or something.

>>23558750
>>Cloth carbon dated to be between 13-14th century
Shroud was in a fire and was smoke damaged, which is known to throw off carbon dating.
>>Doesn't take into account the warping on the face
We don't know the exact position of the body during the imprint
>>No recorded history for 1300 years, appears out of nowhere in some random small church in France.
It was kept somewhere, then found again. This is true of lots of old items. They didn't find a written record of Pontius Pilate until they found an engraving in a cave with his name on it in the 1960s.
>>Christcucks: THIS IS JESUS! AMEN!
Explain how it was made. Funny how you didn't put that in your green texts

>>23558739
>Ok, it's not Jesus.
Concession accepted.

>HAHAHAHHAHAHA
The nigger rambles on.

>>23558766
wasted dubs on some twitter shitfling

>>23558716
debunked where?
how do you know thats not how it was made?

>>23558758
>Woven, I presume?
Nope. The image wasn't woven on. Not painted on. Not burned on. Not with dust. They have NO IDEA how the image got on the cloth. There is no other item on this planet that is man made where experts in the field say "I don't know how it was made".
It also gets crazier. Lets say it was made in Europe in the 14th century by some genius inventor
>why would he put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollow from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?

>>23558766
>reddit spacing
>still can't give ONE EXAMPLE, despite claiming there are "MILLIONS"
HAHAHHAHA. You lost, I won.

>>23558775
>There is no other item on this planet that is man made where experts in the field say "I don't know how it was made".
there probably is

>>23558777
WASTED TRIPS ON TWITTER SHITFLING
I'M GONNA SPAM GORE NOW

>>23558771
>debunked where?
Scientists don't know how it was made. Every theory put forth as been debunked. The debate rages on. If they knew "how it was made" there would be no debate over it.

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>>23558778
>there probably is
Then name a few of these items. The other anon said there "millions" of items like this but can't name a single one. So you try. Name ONE.

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>Explain how it was made.
I don't know. But you claim it was Jesus. Proof?

>>23558463 (OP)
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>>23558775
Maybe it was the sun. It's pretty bright.
But apparently the stuff on it is made from pigment and some bleaching.
I'm honestly not too concerned about it.
>ayyliums made it

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>>23558816
>I don't know. But you claim it was Jesus. Proof?
Looks like Him. And again, there is no other item on this planet where they can't explain how it was made. Jesus was a miracle. The Shroud is as close to a miracle as we have ever seen in the physical form. Makes sense.

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>>23558818
>Maybe it was the sun. It's pretty bright.
Nope. Debunked. Oddly enough a prominent theory is radiation heat (like from an MRI machine), but clearly that tech didn't exist back then.
>But apparently the stuff on it is made from pigment and some bleaching.
Nope, no pigment. Confirmed. And bleach would have wrecked the fabric. Also debunked.
>I'm honestly not too concerned about it.
"I'm not too concerned and dismiss the one time in the history of the entire planet that scientists can't explain".
Jesus keeps winning.

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>Looks like him
Is this the proof?
>Shroud was a miracle
Proof?
>Makes sense
To gullible idiots, maybe.

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>Is this the proof?
No, but it very odd that the ONE ITEM ON THIS PLANET that nobody can explain how it was made has the image of Jesus on it.
>Proof?
They can't explain how it was made. It's amazing how you are brushing this off. How many items have been made throughout the history of man. Probably trillions. And every one of them can be broken down by what they are and how they were made. All except one item... The Shroud of Turin. If that's not a miracle, I don't know what is.
>To gullible idiots, maybe.
Says the guy who still has no answer as to why they can't figure out how it was made.

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>>23558874
I'm never posting a thread that's moved to /bant/ again. Real schizos around these parts.

>>23558782
>If they knew "how it was made" there would be no debate over it.

>>23559032
Explain what you mean?
If it was made with paint, or burned on, or whatever then it would be 100% debunked. Fucking retard.

>>23559039
imagine that, if instead of jesus, its just some random dead guy.
picture a jew who sells relics to the church for a living, alone in a room with a cadaver and a poo rag
he has a description of the shroud so he should know what hes aiming to create, but then he just tosses the description in the trash and says "WHAT AM I THINKING, its for stupid goyim and my friends are gonna buy it regardless. i'll just do this job as sloppily as possible, theyll never notice"

why are you being so hostile towards me anon? whatd i ever do to you?

>>23559069
>imagine that, if instead of jesus, its just some random dead guy.
It still wouldn't explain HOW the Shroud was made, retard.
>picture a jew who sells relics to the church for a living, alone in a room with a cadaver and a poo rag
AGAIN, this has been debunked. They don't know how it was made you fucking retard.
>why are you being so hostile towards me anon? whatd i ever do to you?
Because you're acting like a dumb fucking faggot.

>>23559109
whose "they"? the church? the people the church chose to examine it? you think?
if you were the church and were a corrupt as fuck jewish institution where the jewish popes appoint the cardinals that select the next jewish pope, what would be in your best interest? telling the truth? i refer you back to the chad ochocinco gif.
no, they would lie. they would bring in people to say "we have no idea" when theres nothing especially remarkable about the shroud other than the claim it belonged to jesus instead of a random dead guy. there were literally dozens of these shrouds, the mandylion of edessa, the shroud of veronica just off the top of my head. worst case scenario they deboonk the one and move on to the next saying it was the real one all along. atleast those have provenances prior to just appearing out of thin air in the 13th century

use your abstract thinking capability anon. youve been contracted to create this forged relic, how do *you* make it? the same way i would. and thats how it was made. thats why it uses a herringbone twill weave, common at the end of the first jewish-christian dark age, but not in first century jewdaea.

i think really only the mystery is how a people whose average male height was between 5'0 and 5'2 in the first century pooped out a baby who grew to be 6'7 tall, and no one thought to mention it in any capacity when documenting his travels around manlet jewdaea. thatd be like me meeting shaq, its kind of going to be the very first thing you say about the guy. youd have thought hed have had a nickname like goyliath if he was such a towering figure, yet theres never any mention of his height or even so much as a description of him. this is obviously because he never even existed, and therefore no one ever saw him, and introducing those details would only complicate the process of wholly relying on a bunch of anonymous jews circularly referencing one another as the only eyewitnesses of jesus

>>23558463 (OP)
What device are you displaying this on? We're all still worshiping magic rocks.

>>23559109
>How the shroud was made
"We don't know right now" is million times more logical explanation than "GOD DID IT!".
You faggots used to think thunder and lightning was god being angry until recently. Give it time and we'll find out it's a forgery.

>>23559069
Also funny how the shroud had no recorded history until 1353 when some French knight just happens to have it.
If it was actually Jesus, the Bible they would have definitely mentioned, and even heralded it as the divine proof of Jesus being resurrected.

>>23559327
>whose "they"?
Scientists you fucking retard. You are so braindead. They've looked at this item and said "We (scientists) don't know how this image got onto the cloth. We can't duplicate it".
Out of all the dummies in this thread, you are without a doubt the dumbest. This is your last (you).

>>23559785
>Also funny how the shroud had no recorded history until 1353 when some French knight just happens to have it.
It was kept somewhere, then found again. This is true of lots of old items. They didn't find a written record of Pontius Pilate until they found an engraving in a cave with his name on it in the 1960s.

>>23559756
>"We don't know right now" is million times more logical explanation than "GOD DID IT!".
So......there is one item in the history of this planet that scientists can't answer how it was made and it just so happens to have Jesus' image on it.
>You faggots used to think thunder and lightning was god being angry until recently.
Thunder and lightning aren't supposedly man name. And atheists and scientists right now think there are 900 genders and men can get pregnant. So the "herr derr Christians don't understand science and logic" argument is null and void.
>Give it time and we'll find out it's a forgery.
It's been 600+ years and they still don't know how it was made. If anything scientific analysis has only bolstered the case that it's real.
>why would the forger put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?

>>23560261
which scientists? the ones the vatican hired of course. i wrote a whole thoughtful response to that point which im sure you didnt read.

you seem very angry anon. you should try not being so hung up on defending jewish institutions, jewish people, jewish things. i think your life would immeasurably improve.

>>23560261
>>23560396
so you see, the artist told the church everything. so when i said you should ask the church, that was why.
and you just ignored the part about jesus being 6'7, despite the average jewish height at the time jesus was alleged to have lived being 5'0 - 5'2, and 5'8 today.

>>23560396
>which scientists? the ones the vatican hired of course.
No retard. The Shroud was studied by independent scientific teams.
>Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) (1978):
>An international team of about 40 scientists and technicians studied the Shroud using modern techniques.
There have been other studies after this as well. And the images, scans, and all data collected has been analyzed by other people. You are legit braindead. Your answer is "WHAT SCIENTISTS? ONE'S HIRED BY THE VATICAN?"
> I wrote a whole thoughtful response to that point which im sure you didnt read.
I responded to every post you made, kike. Please point out exactly what I didn't address.
>you seem very angry anon.
Oh boy
>lose argument
>u mad bro?
This + reddit spacing is pathetic.
>that pic
These people at the time didn't have modern science to increase the authenticity probability of the Shroud. And it says " cloth cunningly painted", but it's been confirmed that it's not a painted image.
They also "discovered the fraudster and he confessed". Funny how they don't have this fraudsters name. And it was such "human skill" that it can't be duplicated today. Weird huh?

>>23560435
>the artist told the church everything.
Which artist? Why didn't they get his name? Or how the Shroud was made? It still can't be duplicated today. There is not a single item from that era that was made that cannot be duplicated today....oh wait there is, The Shroud of Turin.
>and you just ignored the part about jesus being 6'7,
What are you even talking about? The length of Jesus on the Shroud is between 5'7'" to 6'.
Let me guess
>tall people don't exist!
You are the slimiest kike I've ever seen.

>>23560266
>It was kept somewhere
Proof? Who kept it? How did it end up in France? Funny how the carbon dating dates it to 14th century, exactly the time period in which it was first mentioned.

>>23560503
>Proof? Who kept it? How did it end up in France?
Somehow it got from the Middle East to France.
>Funny how the carbon dating dates it to 14th century
The Shroud was involved in a fire and took smoke damage. Smoke damage causes carbon dating to get messed up.
>why would the forger put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?

>>23560278
>Jesus' image
How do you even know it was Jesus? The oldest painting that even exists of Jesus is from 230 AD (i.e. Painted by someone who didn't even live to see Jesus).
>900 genders and men can get pregnant
>because the other side is retarded, I'm allowed to be a retard too
??
>600+ years
Your jesus is dead and you retards have been yelling "He's coming back soon" for almost 2000 years now. I'm sure it will be revealed as a forgery earlier than your dead kike returns.

>>23560513
>Somehow this magical shroud with the image of Jesus got from the Middle east to France over 1300 years and no one mentioned about it, even the Bible!
Yeah you're a dumb faggot alright.

>>23560519
>How do you even know it was Jesus?
It's another guy that looks like that was also crucified? And the lashing images from the whipping he took have been proven to be medically accurate.
>900 genders and men can get pregnant
>because the other side is retarded, I'm allowed to be a retard too
You brought up the "your side didn't believe in x for a long time" nonsense. At least you admit that boths sides can be retarded.
>Your jesus is dead and you retards have been yelling "He's coming back soon" for almost 2000 years now.
Irrelevant.
> I'm sure it will be revealed as a forgery earlier than your dead kike returns.
Sure thing, Skippy. I'm sure there will be more genders before He returns as well.

>>23560527
>>Somehow this magical shroud with the image of Jesus got from the Middle east to France over 1300 years and no one mentioned about it, even the Bible!
Totally plausible.
>someone grabbed the Shroud and put it in a box
>many years later it was found and brought to Europe
You are delusional. This shit happens in archaelogy all the time. Weird things are found that haven't been touched for hundreds or thousands of years.
I love how you ignored this:
>why would the forger put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?

>>23560531
>It's another guy that looks like that was also crucified?
I don't know. You're claiming it's Jesus' image. Proof?
>Irrelevant
Why? Is it because it can just as easily be claimed that because Jesus isn't back yet he's not real, just like you're claiming that Shroud of Turin is real because it's not been proven fake yet?

>>23560534
>Ignores my point on how it wasn't even mentioned in the bible
Why wasn't it mentioned? You'd think a relic as important as the shroud, being the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection would be included in the Bible. Why wasn't it I wonder.
>Someone grabbed the box
Who? Why was it brought to Europe? Jesus had no connection to France.
>I love how you ignored my totally different point, please pivot to a different conversation because I can't prove the shroud is real.
No.

>>23560544
>I don't know. You're claiming it's Jesus' image. Proof?
Impossible. But sure, it's another guy that looks just like, was crucified (hand wounds and blood location on the cloth confirm) and he was also whipped heavily.
> Is it because it can just as easily be claimed that because Jesus isn't back yet he's not real,
He come's on His time.
> just like you're claiming that Shroud of Turin is real because it's not been proven fake yet?
We have the Shroud to look at and examine. That's different than Jesus returning. You are so fucking pathetic. You just ignore all the evidence and reeeeee like a retard.

>>23560449
yeah, independently hired by the vatican, probably with an nda agreement to allow them editorial rights over the results publications.

and they probably do have his name, they simply havent told us. thats why you should ask them.

>>23560557
>Why wasn't it mentioned?
Did the Bible mention the kind of underwear Jesus wore?
>You'd think a relic as important as the shroud, being the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection would be included in the Bible. Why wasn't it I wonder.
It's a physical object that might be important to Christians, but is irrelevant to the teaching of God and the spiritual fulfillment that comes from it.
>Who? Why was it brought to Europe? Jesus had no connection to France.
Who knows? Good records weren't kept back then. I could imagine some grave robber or scrounger finding it and bringing it to France (which was the major center of Europe at the time) to sell it.
>No.
Yes

>>23560559
>Another guy who was crucified and was whipped
Ah yes, Jesus was the only guy who was crucified and whipped by the Romans.
>His time
Christcuck cope. You've been trying to predict the rapture since he died but to no avail. Surely 2000 years from his death will be it right? (Hint: It won't)
>You ignore all the evidence
What evidence is there? Except a shroud we don't even know the origin of?

>>23560564
>yeah, independently hired by the vatican,
Bro, you are so fucking SAD. There have been NUMEROUS examinations of it over the last 50 years. And your answer is "THEY ARE ALL VATICAN SCIENTISTS!". If you're not gonna do your own research and see that the scientific team were real, independent of the Vatican, and just wanted to do a logical analysis then you are just retarded.
>, probably with an nda agreement to allow them editorial rights over the results publications.
The carbon dating says its from the 14th century....I guess that NDA didn't work too well.
>and they probably do have his name, they simply havent told us.
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAH

>>23560572
>Ah yes, Jesus was the only guy who was crucified and whipped by the Romans.
How many got a Shroud? How many looked like that? You are playing a game of insane coincidence. But ok, even if it's not Jesus...how was the Shroud made?
>Christcuck cope. You've been trying to predict the rapture since he died but to no avail. Surely 2000 years from his death will be it right? (Hint: It won't)
Sure thing, Retard. I'm sure that 9001st gender will be revealed any day now.
>What evidence is there?
This, which you IGNORED.
>why would the forger put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?
>Except a shroud we don't even know the origin of?
AGAIN. There have been probably a trillion man made items on this planet throughout it's history. Scientists can break down every single one of these items by material and how they they were made....all except on item. The Shroud.

>>23560567
>The underwear
Haha, is this the best you have? According to you, the shroud is the proof of his resurrection. You're comparing the divine proof to an underwear? I'll ask you again, why wasn't it included in the Bible? Not even a single mention?
>Irrelevant to the teaching of God
It's literally proof of him being divine, you think they'd include Jesus converting water to wine and walking on water but leave the shroud? How gullible.
>Good records weren't kept back then
Lies. We have records of so many random artifacts, but not a single record of the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection until 1350. Weird huh

>>23560466
really? because it says 1.95m (front) - 2.03m (back) and by my estimate thats 6'4 - 6'7

>>23560581
all hand picked by the vatican
its not like they printed an ad in the paper that said "Scientists Wanted. Want to study the shroud? Downtown Church 3pm Saturday". you must be incredibly naive if you think "independent" in zogspeak actually means independent

>>23560598
>Haha, is this the best you have?
Retard. My point is that physical items aren't important in the eyes of God or the Bible.
>You're comparing the divine proof to an underwear?
They're both physical items. And the Shroud isn't necessary for Me or anyone else to know Jesus and the Resurrection were real. It's just a fun little side question.
>I'll ask you again, why wasn't it included in the Bible? Not even a single mention?
Again, it's a physical item.
>It's literally proof of him being divine, you think they'd include Jesus converting water to wine and walking on water but leave the shroud?
You're retarded. The Shroud isn't needed for that. And Jesus turning water into wine is Him performing a miracle.
>Lies. We have records of so many random artifacts,
Uh, nobody doubted the existence of Pontius Pilate but the first (and what might be) the only written record of his existence was found in a cave in the 1960s. You are fucking delusional.
>but not a single record of the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection until 1350. Weird huh
See Pontius Pilate

>>23560595
>How many looked like that?
Looked like what? You don't even know what Jesus originally looked like, all you have is paintings of him made by painters who had never seen him.
>But ok, even if it's not Jesus...how was the Shroud made?
Are you retarded? You might be actually mentally retarded. I have told you before I don't know. It's upto you to prove it was Jesus. You're begging the question.
>the evidence
Ok let's see
>why would the forger put the blood stains on FIRST then do the image? Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>why was there dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). Did the medieval forger go to the Middle East, bring back some dirt to rub on the cloth just in case it was dirt tested 600 years later?
>Except a shroud we don't even know the origin of?
Is this your mighty evidence? You're just asking questions and assuming "Jesus did it" is the answer. You wanna try proving it was Jesus?

>>23560616
>all hand picked by the vatican
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Dude, you are so pathetic. I want you to back up this claim. Go find the names of the organizations and the scientists. I 100% guarantee you they are not Vatican operatives.
>THOSE VATICAN APPROVED SCIENTISTS THAT SAID THE SHROUD WAS FROM THE 14th CENTURY!
You legit sound demented.

>>23560605
You are so fucking braindead. Every scientific analysis has his height based on the Shroud to be between 5'9" and 6'.

>>23560618
>Physical item aren't important
Christcuck cope. The divine proof of Jesus' resurrection is important. You're just trying to find excuses for why it wasn't included in the bible (Hint: It didn't exist)
>And Jesus turning water into wine is Him performing a miracle.
And resurrection is not? Why wasn't it included?
>Pontuis Pilate
Why are you rambling about him like a retard? There was only one written record that was found in a cave. You think only person would write about a religious relic? How mentally disabled are you?

>>23560621
>Looked like what? You don't even know what Jesus originally looked like, all you have is paintings of him made by painters who had never seen him.
Physical description carried down over the year. How are police sketch artists so accurate at drawing based on verbal description alone?
> I have told you before I don't know.
You don't think it's fascinating the one item in the history of humanity that falls under the "I don't know how it was made" category has an image of Jesus on it (or some guy that looks like him, or just some guy)?
>It's upto you to prove it was Jesus.
You just reject everything. "There were lots of guys that were whipped, cruficied and put in a burial Shroud" When the reality is that number for all 3 of these things happening is probably low.
>Is this your mighty evidence? You're just asking questions and assuming "Jesus did it" is the answer. You wanna try proving it was Jesus?
So you didn't answer a single claim? What a slimey kike faggot you are.

>>23560639
>Christcuck cope. The divine proof of Jesus' resurrection is important. You're just trying to find excuses for why it wasn't included in the bible (Hint: It didn't exist)
You are so retarded. The Bible does say Jesus was wrapped in a cloth. But us as humans look for objects like that as physical evidence when none is needed.
>And resurrection is not? Why wasn't it included?
The Resurrection is included. The Cloth was included as well. And Jesus turning water into wine was HIS miracle. The Resurrection was God in Heaven doing it.
>Why are you rambling about him like a retard? There was only one written record that was found in a cave.
It proves my point. You said "the record keeping back then was great!" when I proved that it wasn't. If it was "great" there would be more than 1 cave writing of Pilate.
>You think only person would write about a religious relic?
I don't know what this means. Explain.

>>23560643
>Physical description
You think physical description can be passed accurately 200 years into the future? Details get muddy and people forget things.
>You didn't answer a single claim.
Claims are questioned, not answered. What you have presented are questions, which are not a claim. You wanna try again?

>>23560652
>ou think physical description can be passed accurately 200 years into the future? Details get muddy and people forget things.
Sure. I'm sure there were basic drawings of Him that have been lost to time as well.
>Claims are questioned, not answered.
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
I will post them again. Make the make sense if the Shroud is fake. I will post them not as questions but as FACTS (which they are).
>Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>There was dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). There is zero chance a medeival forger went to the Middle East, brought back dirt and put it on the Shroud in France.

>>23560631
i didnt say they were "vatican operatives", you act like this requires some conspiracy. it doesnt. it is entirely a "private" process, not a public process.

how it would probably work, because its how zog works whenever they need to protect some asset and prevent its depreciation:
they made a public statement of intent and then took applications, much like a job interviewer would. the vatican informed those applicants of their terms, mainly that this is a PRIVATE contract and they would be required to sign an NDA, and any and all findings must be made in private disclosures made to them (the vatican), who then may use those findings to create their own public disclosures.

im not saying thats exactly how it went, but very likely something close to this. because that is what "independent" means in zogspeak. if you do not comply to the contract, the full force of the vaticans legal department would be unleashed on you, and deprive you of everything.

its like you dont seem to understand the church is a giant racket and the abrahamic religions are all fake and gay or something.

>>23560650
>The bible does say Jesus was wrapped in clothes
Oh, so physical item. But not that the clothes had his image after the resurrection? Why?
>Pontius pilate yet again
Are you seriously comparing a dead emperor vs the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection? If the shroud was real, it would have been a talking point throughout those 1300 years, therefore a lot of verifiable records. Whereas people tend to stop writing about dead emperors.

>>23560656
>Laser scans confirm the blood was on first. That would be like building a house from the roof down instead of the basement up
>There was dirt and pollen from site of the burial on the cloth (analysis confirms this). There is zero chance a medeival forger went to the Middle East, brought back dirt and put it on the Shroud in France.
Ok. Proof it was Jesus in it?

>>23560661
>i didnt say they were "vatican operatives", you act like this requires some conspiracy. it doesnt. it is entirely a "private" process, not a public process.
Prove it. Prove that the scientists, the numerous scientific groups over the last 50 years that have gotten to examine the Shroud are in cahoots with the Vatican. You sound demented.
>mainly that this is a PRIVATE contract and they would be required to sign an NDA
All evidence has been released, retard. Including evidence stating the carbon dating shows its from the 14th century. If the Vatican were to use the NDA on everything it would be that fact. You are legit insane and have devolved into "muh zogspeak". It's gotten to the point where you think the Vatican has manipulated the independently researched and verified scientific analysis of the Shroud (from multiples sources over many decades). If you can't prove this, you lost.

>>23560663
>Oh, so physical item. But not that the clothes had his image after the resurrection? Why?
I never said physical items don't exist, retard, just that they aren't important. The Bible is written by man. I'm sure details were left out. You are legit retarded.
>Are you seriously comparing a dead emperor vs the divine proof of Jesus' resurrection?
No. YOU ARE. YOU brought up how the Shroud got to Europe >>23560557
I said they didn't keep good records back then >>23560567
YOU then said that's a lie and lots of records >>23560598
I thought brought up Pilate>>23560618
Now YOU are trying to say I'm trying to tie records of Pilate to the Shroud, when I brought it up because YOU started talking about how the Shroud got to Europe and WHO brought it.
You can't even keep track of the conversation, retard.

>>23560666
>Ok. Proof it was Jesus in it?
Proof that it's a real Shroud (nobody would apply the blood before the body image)
It's also from the area of Jesus' Resurrection.
This would hold up in court.

>>23560637
>The Shroud of Turin is a 14-foot linen cloth bearing an image of a crucified man
https://www.history.com/articles/shroud-turin-facts

and if it looks like this, do the math. where are you getting 6 feet? 6+6=12, so then wheres the extra 2 feet?

how was it made? how would the original have been made? how do *you* think it was made?
was a corpse was wrapped in this and left to rot, buried maybe. later on the shroud is removed. someone saw the wrapping and said that looks cool? what do you think?

>>23560674
>I never said physical items don't exist, retard, just that they aren't important.
Yet the bible mentions the cloth he was wrapped in.
>The Bible is written by man. I'm sure details were left out.
>THEY FORGOT TO INCLUDE DIVINE PROOF OF JESUS' RESURRECTION!! THEY JUST DID OK?
>No. You Are.
I'm not bringing up a dead emperor over and over again retard. A shroud is a living relic which would have definitely been mentioned but the thousands had it been known before 14th century.
Also funny how there's constant records of the shroud after it was found. Hmmm.

>>23560675
>No proof it was actually Jesus
I'm asking again. Proof?

>>23560777
>Yet the bible mentions the cloth he was wrapped in.
Still, physical items aren't important. It's a spiritual book (that's also a quasi history book, so of course person, places and things will be mentioned). But the Shroud wasn't part of the Resurrection, just a leftover object.
>>THEY FORGOT TO INCLUDE DIVINE PROOF OF JESUS' RESURRECTION!! THEY JUST DID OK?
You're retarded. They mentioned the Cloth.
>I'm not bringing up a dead emperor over and over again retard.
Uh, re-read what I said. I brought it up only debunk your "herr derr they did keep good records back then!" when they didn't.
>A shroud is a living relic which would have definitely been mentioned but the thousands had it been known before 14th century.
You are so retarded. The Cloth was mentioned in the Bible. Whatever happened to it afterward? Who knows? It reappeared (same way lots of historical objects reappear after a few hundred or thousands of years).
>Also funny how there's constant records of the shroud after it was found.
Yeah, that's how it works. In the 1970s in China they found all those thousand of soldier statues underground from like 300BC
You are the slimiest kike I've ever seen.

>>23560775
>and if it looks like this, do the math. where are you getting 6 feet? 6+6=12, so then wheres the extra 2 feet?
Holy crap. The cloth is WRAPPED around the body with overlapping. HOLY CRAP
>https://www.history.com/articles/shroud-turin-facts
I love how you are against zog but site zog media as your source.
>how was it made? how would the original have been made?
No one knows.
>how do *you* think it was made?
No idea.
>was a corpse was wrapped in this and left to rot, buried maybe. later on the shroud is removed. someone saw the wrapping and said that looks cool? what do you think?
DEBUNKED. The image isn't blood (it has blood a the wound points, but the face, body aren't blood), nor it is body rot, nor paint. kys faggot.

>>23560794
so if its not that, then how could it be the real shroud?

>>23560798
Explain this question. I don't get what you're trying to say.
And please answer this: >>23560667

>>23560789
>But the Shroud wasn't part of the Resurrection, just a leftover object.
Wow you're niggerbrained. The literal image of jesus imposed on it (according to you) and it wasn't part of the resurrection. Cope more.
>They mentioned the cloth.
Nigger. But not the fact that it had his image? It would just add one verse. Your retarded ass truly thinks they would not include that if they knew about it?
>I brought it up only debunk your "herr derr they did keep good records back then!" when they didn't.
Retard, they did have generally good records back then. Just because a few records got lost doesn't mean the entire record keeping system was bad. That's like saying "Hospitals are bad because I saw someone die in them". You're 100% a nigger.

>>23560779
>I'm asking again. Proof?
The fact that it can't be explained how it was made is the proof. It would hold up in court. You can be a retard all you want, won't change the facts.

>>23560806
>It can't be explained, therefore muh jesus
Thank you for accepting you're retarded. Concession accepted.

>>23560805
>The literal image of jesus imposed on it (according to you) and it wasn't part of the resurrection.
It was an object after the fact. And clearly the people that were their afterward would have no idea that an image would form on it. The Shroud was put away somewhere, rediscovered centuries later, and brought to Europe to be sold (common thing for scroungers).
>But not the fact that it had his image?
Bible written by man. And the cloth was probably just wrapped up and put away. It didn't undergo any analysis.
>Your retarded ass truly thinks they would not include that if they knew about it?
They might not have known about it.
>Retard, they did have generally good records back then.
I proved that they didn't always.
>Just because a few records got lost doesn't mean the entire record keeping system was bad.
So to you, Pontius Pilate has only 1 record and that's fine. But a literal who, who found the Shroud and brought it Europe and there is no record of him = EVIDENCE THE SHROUD IS FAKE! WHY DON'T WE HAVE A RECORD OF THAT GUY!?
>hat's like saying "Hospitals are bad because I saw someone die in them".
I don't know how you got this idea. Retard

>>23560807
>Thank you for accepting you're retarded. Concession accepted.
You can't explain how it was made. And you are ignoring that it's literally the one object on this entire planet where scientists can't explain how it was made.
There is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. People are sent to jail for life based on evidence that doesn't have video recording or eye witness accounts.

>>23560798
>>23560802
thats a rekt then

if this wasnt made by wrapping it over a corpse that was then laid to rest and/or buried, and then recovered later on, then how could it be the real shroud?

the answer is it couldnt be. and if its not the shroud, then why do any of the other questions you have about it matter at all? the answer is they dont. its just been a giant timesink, time you might have spent worshipping real gods.

>>23560809
>And clearly the people that were their afterward would have no idea that an image would form on it.
>their
>t. nigger
That's cope. They would have examined every little aspect of it if it was truly a miracle.
>The cloth was probably just wrapped up and put away. It didn't undergo any analysis.
Same cope.
>So to you, Pontius Pilate has only 1 record and that's fine. But a literal who, who found the Shroud and brought it Europe and there is no record of him = EVIDENCE THE SHROUD IS FAKE! WHY DON'T WE HAVE A RECORD OF THAT GUY!?
I'm not asking a record of that guy retard. I'm asking what happened to the shroud for 1300 years. You keep bringing up a dead emperor(who lived for 40 years) vs a living relic(for 1300 years). It's very suspicious how it popped out of nowhere.
>I don't know how you got this idea. Retard.
>You: Their record keeping was bad because they lost ONE(!!!) record
You're coping. The crusade happened before shroud of turin was found and there's extensive records of it. Same for the dark ages.

>>23560815
>You can't explain how it was made, therefore Jesus
Why are you conceding again? I accepted your concession already.

>>23560838
>thats a rekt then
I don't what you were saying. Just explain it better and I will answer. Retard
>if this wasnt made by wrapping it over a corpse
It was made this way. What gave the idea that I said otherwise, retard/
>the answer is it couldnt be. and if its not the shroud, then why do any of the other questions you have about it matter at all? the answer is they dont. its just been a giant timesink, time you might have spent worshipping real gods.
You are so fucking retarded. I legit don't even know how you came to these conclusions you reddit spacing faggot.

>>23560844
>That's cope. They would have examined every little aspect of it if it was truly a miracle.
Sure thing, retard. The image is very faint in general and can really only be seen with modern photography.
>I'm not asking a record of that guy retard.
HUH?
>>23560557
Me: Someone grabbed the box
You: WHO?
You. Are. A. RETARD
>I'm asking what happened to the shroud for 1300 years.
It was stored somewhere. This happens ALL THE TIME. In the 1970s in China they found thousands of soldier statues. Shit just falls through the cracks of history.
>. The crusade happened before shroud of turin was found and there's extensive records of it. Same for the dark ages.
The Crusades was a major historical event involving hundreds of thousands of peope. You are asking about how the Shroud got to Europe and WHO brought it (yes you asked that). Records that specific could easily be lost or just not even recorded to being with.

>>23560848
>Why are you conceding again? I accepted your concession already.
I accept yours. You can't explain how it was made and to you that is irrelevant to the discussion.

>>23560849
the rekt is so much more pure when the person (lit. jew worship shilling chatbot) lacks the intelligence to comprehend their having been rekt

the bible has a story of how jesus was laid to rest, yes?
if you recreated the conditions of the burial, wrapped a corpse with a linen in the same manner as a traditional burial style, and later on you assumed the corpse got up and walked away and all that was left was the wrapping, then how could this wrapping be the wrapping from the story if the wrapping you have was not created in the manner described? it cant be. this isnt difficult. just be smarter than the jews who programmed you, thats literally you gotta do

>>23560857
>The image is very faint in general and can really only be seen with modern photography.
Kek. No nigger, they could clearly see it when it was being presented as the proof of resurrection. You're actually coping.
>You: Who?
Again retard. You're claiming someone grabbed a box. It's upto you to prove someone did grab and who that someone was. If you don't have records of the guy it just weakens your point. Besides I'm asking for the history of the shroud. You think they would let some random nobody take it? There would have been poems and tales of the brave warrior who did. There were millions of Christians, surely only would have recorded it? And no it's not similar to Pontius Pilate.
>This happens ALL THE TIME.
Would not happen to literal proof of jesus' resurrection when there were millions of christians.
>Crusades was a major historical event
Yeah, and the shroud wasn't important at all. How hard are you coping dude?

>>23560860
>You can't explain how it was made therefore jesus
Holy shit you just keep conceding. Do you have a humiliation fetish? I accepted your concession nigger.

>>23560860
Anyway, I'm off to dinner and then bed.
I'd say it was nice debating you but you're a 47pbtid jobless nigger who didn't even present his proof once.

>>23560876
>the rekt is so much more pure when the person (lit. jew worship shilling chatbot) lacks the intelligence to comprehend their having been rekt
Bro, your arguments are all over the place. First there they were insane "THE VATICAN CONTROL SCIENCE INFO!" now it's just vague posts. You still haven't answered this and you're saying I got "rekt" >>23560667
>the bible has a story of how jesus was laid to rest, yes?
No. He wasn't laid to rest, he ascended to Heaven.
>assumed the corpse got up and walked away
This never happened. He didn't get up and walk away, retard. He disappeared and ascended to Heaven. HOLY FUCK,
You can't even get the story you are trying to debunk straight.,

>>23560883
>Kek. No nigger, they could clearly see it when it was being presented as the proof of resurrection. You're actually coping.
We can barely see it now, retard. It was NEVER a super clear image.
>You're claiming someone grabbed a box.
I hypothesized that someone could have put it in a box and it was found later. This happens in history. It's happened before.
>It's upto you to prove someone did grab and who that someone was.
And as I said, records are poor from that time. Hence my Pontius Pilate analogy. RETARD
>If you don't have records of the guy it just weakens your point.
So let me get this straight
>Having records of the whoever found it and brought it to Europe = SUPER IMPORTANT
but
>The forger who made it? WHO CARES!
Kys retard
>You think they would let some random nobody take it?
Again, it was lost to history and FOUND. This happens. There are stories of "this important object was stumbled upon after thought lost for hundreds of years".
> There were millions of Christians, surely only would have recorded it?
You are so retarded. You keep ignoring the facts. They only found those Chinese statues in the 1970s. There were billions of Chinese in the past surely someone would recorded where the statues were?
>Would not happen to literal proof of jesus' resurrection when there were millions of christians.
This is the saddest argument I've ever seen. You think the millions of illiterate peasant and poor Christians of 1300s Europe even saw this thing let alone knew about it?
>Yeah, and the shroud wasn't important at all.
It was an object lost to history. It happens. Lots of important objects have been lost to history and rediscovered
SAD

>>23560885
>Holy shit you just keep conceding. Do you have a humiliation fetish? I accepted your concession nigger.
The fact that you keep replying after supposedly "accepting my concession" proves you are lying to yourself.
You can't explain how it was made and keep resorting to "muh concession" SAD"

>>23560904
>Anyway, I'm off to dinner and then bed.
Said everyone losing an argument.,
>I'd say it was nice debating you but you're a 47pbtid jobless nigger who didn't even present his proof once.
I presented endless evidence you deflected. Here's another:
They analyzed the blood on the Shroud and compared to another supposed relic with Jesus' blood on it. Guess what? They MATCHED.

>>23560904
>a 47pbtid
Holy fuck
>47 posts = BAD
>but your 20 posts = OK
The signs of a losing argument "I'm off to bed", "You have lots of posts, just ignore that I have double digit posts as well"

>>23558643
Is there a religion in that image that's about 'doing the ultimate good'? And I'm not referring to Christianity.

I don't understand English very well.