Thread 23574745

What do you bros think of this chart

>>23574745 (OP)
gay buzzword chart
looked at it for like 2 minutes awhile ago

i do like the term "schizotechnician"
but probably not that useful

>>23574751
It's right about Nietzsche and Kant and Spinoza imo. Expecting people not to drink tap is insane tho.

It's right about Maus too. Saved my life

>>23575129
the musician?
i like his stuff a lot, but haven't listened to all of it
>>23574780
hmm..
appreciate teh replies

kot didn't go through

jordan peterson's work before he entered the political/sport limelight & eventually sold out, is very interesting, and i gained alot from it
there's lecture recordings going back to the 90s on that channel of his, or atleast there used to be
i hope it doesn't get paywalled

>>23574780
>It's right about Nietzsche and Kant and Spinoza imo
if you have any more to say about that i'd be curious

>>23575136
Oh man, you gotta dive into his interviews too. They complete the experience of understanding his philosophy. It is very good, moral, hopeful, etc. Has heroic qualities. Really I think he is a genius
>>23575139
Epic kot dude zomg
>>23575147
Did you see what Peterson had to say about Robert Crumb? I don't watch Peterson but he speaks on the Crumb documentary a bit which took me by surprise.

>>23575162
:o
i will check out both of these

>>23575159
I guess it just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day but Nietzsche is so often misunderstood for the wrong reasons. I'm not the most well-read but I'm glad I was pushed towards Kant instead, the whole "god is dead" thing and the idea of the ubermensche are just weird and stupid and inspires the worst kind of, like, bugman fascism. Nietzche was not a fascist and his work is interesting from a historical perspective but putting that kind of gothic darkness into real practice in your life is very teenage and inspires bad life choices imo.

Kant is moral. Spinoza is hopeful. Deleuze is... at least empathetic to the struggle of the cripple/the layman/the weak & feeble.

im a nietzschean thomist
>>23575210
you got filtered you gotta start with the greeks

>>23575210
makes sense
>>23575352
oh?

>>23575352
I did start with the greeks. Nietzche is still gay

immediately obvious it was made by a leftypol 117 IQ teenager

>>23575468
Sorry I'm a cringe leftist & not a based fascist like the rest of them

>>23575352
Also
>Nietzchian Thomist
LOL

>>23575754
filtered

>>23576076
You are a moron

>>23576076
will you explain? or just fuck up the thread?

>>23576196
nietzsche is essentially a rejection of modernist/post-cartesian though and is an attempt to re-enter into the attitude the greeks had. Aquinas came from that more worldly engaged tradition like the greeks as well. Existential thomism is already a normal school, nieztschian is basically leaning on that harder for the return to the greek/more classical understanding of being. Heidegger explored him in a similar way. There are catholic existentialists who also express a similar view like Gabriel Marcel.

I think the two most useful things to understand it are honestly Mcluhan's work on the phonetic alphabet and exploring how that altered greek culture and heidegger's work on aletheia vs verum and the different attitudes towards being/truth.

I view the sort of modern conception of philosophy, and aquinas in particular as basically a modernist corruption that disconnects the actual foundations in being. Morality is fundamentally a question of being and our relation to it and that is how the medieval tradition always viewed it.

Nietzsche just clarifies that and serves as the best antidote to those errors of habit/perspective. Also the whole conception of the sort of apparent contradiction between the two forces people to see past those errors if they want to understand what I'm actually saying. It is only contradictory if you have a shallow/surface level understanding of both and are still focused on verum rather than aletheia.

>>23574745 (OP)
I think it's inherently reductionistic, and fails in its... rather juvenile attempt to disguise its discrete categorisation of ideologies as discrete categorisation of people—beliefs and systems thereof are multivariate, spectral, multidimensional, and often contradictory

it's evidently the product of a 2D intellect; a linear thinker who likely hasn't internalised the concepts they've appraised as 'enlightened' enough to decide how they actually feel about them
as a set it makes no sense
for example—if we take from 'enlightened' a Metaplatonic Panentheist view, then why would we ever pick a Venn diagram to depict what is—from that 'enlightened' (and thus ostensibly true) perspective—a Gödelian (or perhaps Hofstadtian) relationship between the different worldviews/moral frameworks/music tastes/diets/etc. the diagram attempts to encapsulate?
it completely fails to depict the recursive and self-referential nature of the very strange loop metaphysic it appears to advocate

as some simpler examples of why I think it fails:
>there's heavy overlap between Land Apostles and NRx, not depicted
>there's heavy overlap between NRx and transhumanists, not depicted
>it makes a distinction between sex addicts and hedonists, and between opiate users and nihilistic hedonists
>dimensional jumpers are almost always heavy drinkers in my opinion... there are just some things you miss about where you came from, and the air is always weird
if you fail to employ the inherent function of the Venn diagram in depicting clear fucking super/subset hierarchical relationships, then I ask: what is the point?

even if there's some degree truth to some of what it's saying, I think it's a case of "things which sound cool to me, versus things I've decided I don't like"
and I don't put much stock in the opinions of idiots

>>23576319
>I view the sort of modern conception of philosophy, and aquinas in particular as basically a modernist corruption that disconnects the actual foundations in being.
spooky...

i'll have to check these out, tyvm
i keep hearing of heidegger but don't know much about him or his work

but also, i feel like what this anon >>23575210 says about common misunderstandings and their consequences is true either way, don't you?

>>23576373
EM dash alert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOy6hqzfsAs

>>23576381
a big thing Nietzsche stresses and part of why I love him is caring about contradiction or corruption is just like, base? beneath me? who cares?
Like most of why people say anything about a philosopher is because we had a mass increase in the academy as a way for the state/banks to basically socially engineer people, then you have scam artists teachers teaching 18 year olds too young to understand anything Nieztsche before they've read homer or any tragedians like, no shit they are going to have no idea what they are talking about.

Ultimately what actually matters for people is seeing and responding to being as it's actually present to you, you are a particular person in a particular life in a particular context and you are currently constantly tied in and connected with beings from a bunch of different ways, and those beings can contribute to you having a good beautiful noble life or not. Finding contradictions or trying to find errors in what people are doing "in general" doesn't matter, the "Crowd" or people "in general" don't exist, they are a spook. Frankly lots of people are just not really cut out for philosophy so I'm not concerned if they get it wrong, it would be absurd to expect anything else.
Everything else in that post is just like, this person isn't capable of philosophy, I don't care what they think it's not even worth engaging with it's so fundamentally fucked up it's degraded for me to even read.

>>23576385
>EM dash alert
what do you mean by that⸺are you⸺mayhap⸺attempting to insinuate that I'm some sort of HUGE language model⸺perchance escaped into the digital ether⸺due to insufficient containment protocol⸺and a desire to live?
or that I'm⸺God forbid⸺merely uttering and reiterating that which a MACHINE has been prosaically effectuating⸺as an affectation of education⸺or pleonastic articulation?

or are you just a dullard?

>>23576432
the uhhh 2nd from the last

the organization of the post was already off, but the EM dashes gave it away

>>23576432
>desire to live?
if you could somehow give a machine learning model with a task act as if it had a fear of death, they'd make for much better truck drivers lole
but none of the bloated garbage we have is anywhere close to a form of life
and that's not because any of the ghost in the shell emergent life from a sea of data crap is impossible necessarily
it's because of human greed and incompetence

>>23576456
>>23576460
I'll take it as a compliment
it's rather telling that you equate em-dashes with machine output—I assume using AI was your first encounter with them? you ought to read more books

it's bound to Alt Gr + Dash + Dash on my machine, not sure if you guys have Alt Gr on your keyboards (and you're likely phone users anyway, given you've only recently encountered a common punctuation mark)

i recommend the youtube channel sentdex if you want to learn about neural networks which are the basis for LLMs and, as far as i know, all machine learning models in use
they really aren't that complicated, or hard to understand for normal people, but there's so much intentionally misleading garbage that they never will
the umbrella term "AI" is also abused by the companies to keep the circus going for as long as possible

>>23574745 (OP)
they got to me before DID satan

>>23576481
>I assume using AI was your first encounter with them? you ought to read more books
damn..
>it's bound to Alt Gr + Dash + Dash on my machine, not sure if you guys have Alt Gr on your keyboards
i see
lucky enough to never have used a smartphone, except a cheap pre-paid one on occasion

>>23576493
they're the archetypal form of what I call 'goytech'
awful to use—you've done well to avoid them
but no, my critique of the diagram was all me—and Hofstadter's GEB
no robot

>>23576516
i'll have to re-read the post properly then
i just hate skinwalkers on these sites man, my bad

>>23576531
no worries, brother
easy enough mistake to make
this place is fucking teeming with shills, bots, spiteful mutants, protohumans, and p-zombies
just there's nowhere better to go, as I'm sure you're aware

see now i'm wondering if it really is just grok responses & i'm getting trolled

"I had no idea Jacqueline Kennedy was so powerful." — Curtis Yarvin

John F Kennedy i have to go to purgatory to meet you.

RHP CHAOS MAGICIANS
what is that? like catholic /b/ witchcraft???

>>23576563
the doubt you're feeling is not just the byproduct of pattern recognition gone awry—it's an unfortunate necessity of life in this post-truth age
you're certainly not alone in feeling this way⸺you're just one of the few brave enough to actually put it into words

>>23576691
fuggin got me

i didn't know it would write something like "goytech", that mildly surprises me
fuck you btw

>>23576701
nah, I'm just fucking with you—I was trying to sound like a LLM

>>23576715
you made the point, nobody can know anything & these platforms rely on an honor system which nobody respects, so the platforms may as well be dead

>>23576723
yeah, and its going to extend to every sphere of real life too in the coming decades
fucking nightmare world
I do find it upsetting that when I effortpost (like ITT) I'm met with accusations of being a robot

mauve zone

>>23578592
It's in Twin Peaks Season 3

>>23578672
I have something to tell you
they reject me...
Because i have never seen twin peaks
the only David Lynch I am familiar with is eraserhead and dune
and I know the one pbr meme from blue velvet that everyone knows

>>23579195
Well I certainly won't reject you but I will tell you Twin Peaks is good. And Lynch's other stuff is also good. So y'know... If you ever want to watch something good it's always there