Thread 23575568

Why should I worry
Why should I care

I kept waking up all last night looking at this because it scared me so much

Because it kind of reminded me of this with its design

Ugh I don't know why you would devote all your time and energy into being a look alike copy
And also I don't think Kurt would sarcastically make such a video ever I don't think he was that sarcastic

https://youtube.com/shorts/q6_hd6hrbyw?si=8pY6wNPwe62JyQmF

https://youtu.be/nav-WzstCcM?si=OvRXBWGKi_zyyyMy

I was really inspired by this for some reason I just love the grainy nostalgia feel but also the otherworldliness. I love the melding of future and past into one.

I was thinking how Muse (the band) have practically done everything, so it's hard not to run the risk of copying them at all, but since they're so concerned with sci fi and future, that's the thing, their music is really set in the future they've said. I was thinking I could maybe write lyrics that sound like they're from final fantasy a bit, like fantasy and future though I don't know exactly how I would do that, I have some ideas but not exactly sure what type of content to make outright but it's just an idea. Because I was thinking about being influenced by Bob Dylans lyrics and he includes settings and scenery quite a bit, so instead of regular places, I could make them sound really otherworldly maybe,

Holy fuck how can you get so big
https://youtu.be/NGVGCB5EQNI

Even though this is AI i actually like this to some extent
https://youtu.be/sw0YhNLI3w4

Because I would like to make music that is positive to some extent

>>23577064
The lyrics are so good, they’re like mystical and fantasy kind of without being too obvious

https://youtu.be/HmY-QZVXb7Q

Omg

So like I think this movie might have confirmed what i had already suspected and thought, though I could never really be sure. But I think the movie sheds some further light on a minor theory I had.

Something about like how the 50s probably weren’t really liberal enough despite the high prosperity and standard of living at the time. The 50s had strong anti-communist sentiment that existed at the time. So it doesn’t really make sense, for there to be liberal elements taking place in the 1950s, but it seems like there was if you are able to look at things from that era in color, it’s pretty clear that there’s something to it. You are left wondering if it’s a product of liberalism or something else…and in all honesty, it was probably closer to some form of protofascism in a sense.

Hi honey

>>23575577
It’s like this sort of, you have to wonder about appliances

>>23578040
Muslim!

ha no reply no surprise

https://youtu.be/3WuFJW0Lm7A

Ha ha what the fuck

Basically the appliances mostly run the risk of all being scrapped for being obsolete at some point, and supposedly it’s based on the holocaust, so there’s more correlation there at the possibility
of these all being related to one another.

Seeing this film early on, I wonder if it effected me in such a way where I become focused on things like good moral standings, the movie tries really hard to frighten you into feeling what the creators thought of as good, it was really a major focus of the film.

I guess I didn’t really know they were good feelings and preoccupations to have, but now looking back they seem almost too painstakingly sensitive to me and they’re not really proactive which for a lot of people, that’s one aspect of being good supposedly I guess, the proactiveness is supposed to come through that somehow, I don’t know if you’re supposed to grieve enough or what, it never truly says what you’re supposed to do, that’s the problem sort of, what about afterwards?

So I think like, maybe that would be a good subject to make into a topic, the in between and afterwards point between and after grief, what takes place. I’m sure there’s some answer somewhere, I would really like to understand.

>>23575568 (OP)
Precisely!

https://youtu.be/KRLwz7kiUy0

This is such a good song, but of course halfway through they had like melodic notes that sound like what has become almost their trademark sound, that weird almost kind of surreal weird dark paranoid type of sound, they just have to add that in their. But upon further listen, it does sound very quintessentially Radiohead, but it almost has this sort of ‘weird’ English sound.

But still, I think that’s why I like the Bends so much it’s before they really went overboard in that sound.

This is doable to me a bit, but I wonder if I can really write songs like that, but it’s depressing because Radiohead was all about guitars at some point (as seen on the bends) and then they turned around and just and disparaged them and went all electronic and digital. Like wha? Where did that come from? There’s so many bands that turned their back on the guitar like Radiohead, Muse, the smashing pumpkins, others I can’t think of at the moment. It’s really depressing.

I wonder if there is really a good reason for that, I feel sort of loyal to the guitar, but I guess to some people it can seem sort of obsolete. It’s just I was so desperate to learn the guitar and it’s how I came to understand music in general it feels weird just going past it and think it’s all obsolete. I’m not sure if these musicians actually thought this or if they just got sick of the guitar and instead of clarifying that they just decided to trash guitars in general.

I just wonder with like muse and Radiohead if they have really seen bigger prospects and more interest in their music since going mostly digital. Like if it’s really that much of a bigger interest and fanbase, but even then just because that’s true does that mean you should like abandon your main sound and output, isn’t that basically selling out? It seems really shameless too.

When Muse was making their bank on electric guitar and just hitting their stride, the smashing pumpkins

The smashing pumpkins had already switched to electronic.

So it goes to show you it’s not a universal thing, you can still come out of nowhere and make bank playing primarily guitars, it can happen at any point it seems like.

A guitar based band always seems to come around I think. I’ll try making a thread I guess “is electronic music outselling guitar driven music?”

But truth be told the guitars have sort of felt like they were a part of the past generation and old world in a way, like the way they’re placed and everything

Like the way “grunge band” and grunge inspired bands sounded really dated to me after a certain point and I looked on the musical horizon to try and find something newer and fresher which is one reason why I liked Muse so much…

I think Radiohead the bends kind of has that negative discordant minor tone feel that grunge was really notorious for
Its hard to believe it was released in 1995
one year after Kurt’s death.

So that era really left a mark on modern music and we haven’t really moved past it very much I think into totally unique and different tonal sonic territory.

https://youtu.be/fK5c9df2VSo

Kind of cool retro vid

Like Radiohead on their earliest records has a kind of slow trudging really discordant minor tone feel to their albums, so they weren’t actually a part of the grunge movement I guess but you can tell really they were no doubt influenced by the time.

And then after in the 2000s there was a lot of garage rock bands, the garage rock revival it was called and then there was a lot of…post punk revival. Now post punk is really interesting genre.

And then there’s Muse, which, I don’t know, they played real rock music I think, they were a part of that history and heritage of music, they all were to an extent. And then there’s all the metal core bands which are like insular and this weird thing, they didn’t really follow the history of music at all I think so I don’t know their music really isn’t all that great at all I think I don’t know where they stand a lot of them aren’t very good at their instruments I think. Their lyrics aren’t that interesting

It just kind of irks me that all that bigger bands that make it these days are practically English what is with that? Even a band like bring me the horizon you would almost expect them to be American, but it’s another case of a trend or musical movement that existed in both Britain and America I guess, like rock n roll originally.

But I just don’t see why metal core was so popular like geesh it just felt like so fabricated not only were they lacking but all their merch was like sold in places like Hot Topic, their music was really commercialized.

And now I can’t believe Muse is doing metal core in their new album, it’s so weird. A lot of people would love it if Muse did another Absolution and origin of symmetry album but they never have, they have to continually “experiment” or cater to what’s popular at the moment, their dubstep album (ugh) their kind of synth wave 80s sounding album and now a metal core album

Like Eric Clapton is English lol I was never sure if he was American or English

America is probably not that supportive for being an artist these days I imagine yet they have greats like Jimi Hendrix and most of the black musicians

lol Eric Clapton must have really acclimated to freaking America

I forgot about Bob Dylan too

It’s just so lame how John Mayer advertises himself as this like “average guy” so much like he really goes out of his way to try and give that impression I think whatever average is in America like white collar middle class fraternity bro who grew up a bit and became a wedding crasher

Cultivated “average guy look”
Ugh that’s coming back in style again

Ugh English vs American band

Ugh bring me the horizon is another band that went electronic and then there’s Sleep Token they hardly have any guitar on their latest album

Ugh this band is like lol
Of course they’re a Canadian band so they all look somewhat English and there’s that one random middle eastern looking guy and they’re all dressed sort of in the theme of being vaguely ‘mariners’ or some shit.

I totally forgot about hardcore, and alexisonfire is actually post hardcore. I can’t believe there’s actually post hardcore.

The thing with a lot of more recent styles is that the culture surrounding it feels sort of hood, like there’s something about it that reminds you about people from the past (like grandfathers age sans before boomers) how they were young kids when they started drinking and smoking early and they were kind of tough and they spent a lot of time outside on the streets. Like they’re really rough and stuff and I don’t know, that’s sort of like from some part of the world, I’m not sure where that comes from exactly or what the story is behind that, but I realized all that stuff isn’t really for me that mentality and way of being, I I just don’t think I’ll ever quite be like that. I realized it’s sort of what separates me from others a bit.

Like I don’t know, it’s sort of Fe-laden (extroverted feeling) a bit I think to be like that. That’s the thing with all that rough stuff and a lot of music scenes and bands now, there’s like not as many quirky eccentric creative weirdos involved as much anymore, it’s become like a hood. I mean I think that was there in the 90s a bit but it wasn’t as deeply ingrained.

But you saw it back then starting to take hold. Everything just got really rough, I don’t get what it is with the roughness, it’s kind of like cheap hoods or something that’s what it reminds me of as well.

Like look at Dallas green (the most famous of the group) he’s like a god damn sailor or mariner lawl

Ugh like look at them they’re so HOOD around the time of like nu-metal that’s when it really started

Like it just seems like if you create harsh economic conditions for some people it makes them turn into like fucking cheap hoods or something. But I wonder if it’s their regular nature exactly, because it could also be the reason they experienced harsh economic situations in the first place.

It’s just weird because I’m just not really like that very much I think. I didn’t understand or get it when I was younger and trying to find my place in the world, but now I look back and think “geesh why is everyone a hood” “what is with that”

That’s one thing that has changed compared to how it was before I think and look at how burly and big (fat) ish they are that’s another thing that changed they have to be as big as possible before they’re obese or something like they have to be that crude and hood. That’s what I refer to it now, “hood”

I’m not slick either though exactly
I’ll never be slick enough or hood enough

Like shit like this

It’s one thing that’s become so much worse like ugh the intimidation factor, people are a lot harsher to each other I think like that’s a complicated assertion to make because you have to wonder what the origin of it is, who is to blame, where does it all come from. I definitely think body building kind of makes it all worse.

This is like their first album cover I think like wtf lawl

Ugh I forgot that hardcore was basically metalcore

Thus it made me think about a lot of things, the underground and alternative music scene of the 90s and late 80s brought with it a lot of change and some of that was like giving someone like Chris Cornell mainstream success because otherwise he probably wouldn’t have had it in the past with his looks not really Anglo Saxon looking that’s just one example Chris Cornell was kind of hood though

Another thing with the hood thing I think it’s like something you can almost do to men probably but not all men not everyone is susceptible to it but it seems like if you bring about harsh economic conditions for people it can completely
change some people

I’m surprised but that’s one thing I have in common with some of the English is that they’re not actually very hood like

Like you can’t deny, people were way skinnier in the past and that’s something that changed but it’s not really healthier to eat a lot so it’s some weird thing that’s why the media is bad I guess they make you think people like this are normal

>>23582674
That’s almost how I see America, but I wonder what the true American really is?

So bono is a baby boomer, Kurt Cobain wrote a song about the baby boomers ideals of peace and love and how they seemingly betrayed them called territorial pissing “come on everybody come together try and love one another right now” I’m not really sure what the song is about entirely but i always liked it a lot.

He saw this through his parents as an example I guess, my parents one was at the end of the baby boomers the other was Gen x, and I’m not sure about that in regards to them they were like out of some kind of time warp, Cobains parents were a lot more cultured probably then mine were. I never saw anything about any peace and love ideals, that’s what it was for me. Cobain doesn’t realize it, but that’s kind of middle class privilege I think. But it’s interesting because Bono sings all about peace and love throughout his career but he, well, he destroyed what I was thinking about just recently. Bono wears so much black, it’s like his trademark, and ironically he sings about peace and love.

I was thinking if the black is a problem then there must be some way of avoiding or shaking them off, I figured maybe you could do things they’re not really supposed to do, like I think for an example you could try to make a case for how “good” you are or something or about specific ideals. Greenday did this a bit as well though. Black has done pretty much everything. So that assumption was struck done because of fucking Bono.

But he was right about that to an extent you probably shouldn’t really write about peace and love because what was that with the baby boomers? It’s a big deal, it’s astounding. That’s something Kurt saw really clearly but like no one else did really for sure, thus I kind of wonder what the rest of his outlook was…I would really like to know what conclusion he reached in regards to that because what else are you supposed to pine for then?

I don’t know about that though, that kind of sounded self righteous and self anointed to just be one of those people who proclaim (like practically so many other people) “oh it’s just the baby boomers fault” I just wonder if it’s really that simple. I don’t have a clear vision of the trajectory of the baby boomers and how they all changed into yuppies or what caused it, because it could have easily been like the equivalent of the past generation for the baby boomers maybe there was an evil controlling generation for the baby boomers and they couldn’t beat them wholly either, I mean you just don’t know for sure. I heard some people say that with every moment there’s usually only a few members who really believe in the ideals behind it and the rest are just there because they think it’s interesting or cool.


It’s just hard for me to run off to conclusions like that and completely blame the baby boomers for sure, but that was a big part of Gen X supposedly. How could one generation really be that terrible?

There’s so much we don’t know about Kurt’s beliefs

God lol at what Gerard Ways ancestry must be

He doesn’t really seem like a thug or a goon or a hoodlum outright, but that fact that they’re suggesting some kind of military, the military can kind of seem that way to an extent, so it seems inherently somewhat threatening

But I don’t know, is it kind of gallant

>>23582797
Like what the fuck are they getting at here is it fascism?

That’s what it is with Gerard way probably I guess because he’s a bit more like a European, but it’s even for him to suggest fascism he’s probably mostly white

lol two of the band members on the left, they’re almost dressed like Los Angeles hoods, I recognize that style, they just have to throw in hood there

They’re doing it again that one guy in the red and white is like “I’m Mexican cinco”
“I gotta represent it’s where I came from word ya gotta be down with the hood” I swear I’m sure it’s some weird extrovert feeling thing “im Mexican and being Mexican is hood. Everyone around me was hood, so I guess that makes me hood too. Never forget where I CAME FROM. REPRESENT”

Listening to some rap music it gives me a basic understanding of this dynamic, I’m sure like they almost want everyone to be hood they want the hood to like infiltrate and take everyone over. It’s Fe I think in that they think it’s good and how you socialize or something, some weird shit like that

It’s hard not to think
Oliver and company is a little racist

I guess that’s the thing dogs have all these really weird features and they vary in appearance a lot but cats mostly all look the same, so I guess that’s what they’re getting at but it’s also the reason why the dogs accept the cat probably

It just seems like it would be hell being a mainstream band, it’s not at all like the 60s and 70s you’re expected to be really over the top and really entertain people there’s not much place for true artistry anymore

Fuck Bono

But ugh u2 mostly sings about external events or they’re almost like adult contemporary I thought she moves in mysterious ways was pretty good. I don’t know if I really one it’s a bit too much for me.

I just feel like Christianity is a really easy answer and solution, it’s easy to look at everything like it’s failed and then always go back to Christianity, because it’s supposed to be like this bedrock of western civilization, but I feel like often times it’s just a bandage. And yes Bono is a Christian supposedly, oddly enough.

I just feel like maybe I could write about the idea of what it means to be good somehow, outside of obvious sources like just plainly being Christian and having a relationship with God that is really obvious and in your face. Because that’s what it was for me, it was like a whole other world, trapped between the hoods and the religious people it was hellish. A lot of the people I grew up with were sort of hood. I guess that’s what it is, the hood is there for you or something. Or really religious, I would run into so many people oh blonde check fair skin check super religious check, unless they were like a Muslim maybe there was some of those I think.

It wouldn’t really focus on external events as much so that would leave out like Bono and the baby boomers. Because I listened to a lot of artists growing up and I thought they were pained and troubled by the same things, but I later realized that even though some artists may have had lofty opinions or ideals they weren’t exactly as preoccupied with being righteous as I was. But it’s a double sided issue.

For one I really wouldn’t want to sound too Christian, and that’s already been done anyway. But then see it’s almost hard to make your case for any sort of ‘goodness’ then exactly I guess. So then you’ll just seem weird and of place probably. It would be really hard not to run the risk of sounding like Bono possibly.

Ugh it’s just been done I guess probably. Like Simon and Garfunkel probably too, god damnit.

But I was struck by inspiration I could almost do something like inspired by this movie in some ways thematically. It really strikes me with inspiration and ideas but then to play music that would go along with that you’d probably have to almost play acoustic a bit. But I’m not sure about that entirely, it just gives me a lot of imagery and themes, it really sort of invokes the kind of material and themes I was looking for visually and audibly. Though it wouldn’t be taken straight from the source material.

Honestly, I don’t shrug off musical technique and training completely because it was a different world to me it was completely new and I was a little taken back and enamoured by it. I really wanted to have something I could devote myself to completely and give my whole
being to. I really felt almost like it would have been the equivalent of dedicating your life to being a knight or something in previous centuries. I was sort of drawn into that, there is sort of that part of me to an extent even though it feels sort of wooden. Maybe not wooden but sort of stiff. I’m a little embarrassed that I’m like that.

But I don’t know, it’s probably been done with Radiohead too as an example. Ugh, it’s just probably has been done by them for god sakes. God damn them.

But that’s the thing it’s not really mainstream for sure. I was thinking if I didn’t want to do acoustic then it would almost run the risk of sounding like led zeppelin because they said it was Tolkien for them, that’s where medieval gets you in music .I don’t know if I want to be a high concept prog rock band, I kind of want to avoid that, so that’s sort of the issue. It wouldn’t really be obvious though if I were to do that I think. Led Zeppelin did a pretty good job balancing without seeming prog rock at all while going into ‘out there’ themes like that.

Another band is probably opeth they do a lot of acoustic mixed with electric and they make it work pretty well while having that sort of folk vibe that sounds almost whimsical and like it’s from a far off time.

But I don’t know I’m sort of stuck between wanting to sound really modern and maybe futuristic, with these new ideas I’ve concocted.

And another thing, Tim Burton did an interesting annotation on the swan night, he took that topic and added it to the penguin in Batman returns and they took a really interesting spin on it to where I don’t wholly remember altogether but it was super interesting. Basically the penguin sees himself like he’s this classically European tragic figure, and also much like the swan knight himself, but in reality he falls short drastically and it opens him up to all these different aspects of the world.

And that’s basically what all that reminds me of, I just can’t help it. Ugh, a lot of people would probably think my mind was poisoned by the Jews

But ugh I guess Kurt Cobain just couldn’t believe the baby boomers gave up on their ideals, like he just couldn’t believe that, it was a big deal to him. Where as to me that seems like a normal aspect of human nature to a degree, like it’s not really that surprising.you can really be that idealistic, most people probably aren’t that much it’s amazing it lasted for as long as it did and also there’s a point where ideals have to become more utilitarian and grounded, there’s many processes ideals have to go through I think.


But the whole social movement with the baby boomers was a really big deal, I can’t quite get over it either, hearing first hand accounts of it, because it sounded so radical and out there, just unbelievable that even existed.

But he really had the spirit in him of the movement I think somehow.

Ugh going through with these ideas would just completely go against the culture and established order of things it would probably be perceived as being really mawkish and nervy people would probably make fun of it to no end. It would be really hard to get it right, to go at it the right way, that doesn’t come off in a laughable manner.

It’s just a really double sided and multifaceted issue ugh it kills me going into such complicated territory.

Radiohead is probably seen as really artistic for a lot of the sounds and notes they use that trademark surreal kind of paranoid bleak English sounding tone they use a lot. It’s almost like what Pink Floyd would do to freaking make Britain look bad they’d probably use sounds like that like in the Wall at the trial scene you know? It’s kind of weird Radiohead does that. But it’s artistic I guess it’s like le holocaust almost. Well mostly I think Radiohead thinks it’s really bad and I don’t wholly disagree with them but I don’t like to focus on it that much.

But anyway, it all depends on how poppy you want to be, but it would probably seem sacrilegious but for example you could play something like blackstar by Radiohead and you could clean it up quite a lot, and take out those surreal notes and change it around a bit maybe and it would sound totally different, you could make it sound really lush, clear and clean and it would almost sound sort of spiritual depending how you went about it.

But the thing is, would it be less or more poppy? I almost want to take Blackstar and do this and then post it online to see what people think.

Going from there I could make an easier judgement about what kind of sound to go for.

Lawl

>>23583118
Others think they sound paranoid I’m not the only one

It’s just ugh, I would probably be considered scattered and all over the place without a clear point for sure to outsiders and I don’t know if I would want to make my point too obvious.

But it’s because I don’t prescribe to an obvious dissertation of moral quandaries on good or truth and such. And thus…and thus that leaves me in kind of a weird position. Would there be a purpose to what I’m doing?

But it’s just things like, I don’t outright like saying it…but I guess I don’t find all that wrong always with what the black is trying to say or what they’re about exactly, like I am supposed, thus it’s not necessarily the complete opposite for me.

But I don’t completely agree with them that’s the thing. I think they’re supposed to be sort of limited with what they can say and express pretty much, that’s why Bono is so terrible. There always has to be a touch of something really negative and fatalistic about it.

And also I forgot about Coldplay, they’re another band that kind of defies everything.

I just feel like they don’t completely go there for sure, like they don’t completely get up in there. But without sounding typical. Most people would probably think you have to speak out about external events and be like Greta Thundberg

I just wonder if any of it matters, you could be like Jack White and you could make your vision and aesthetic more in line with the past because it’s supposedly more good or something and some artists have done this, you’re almost supposed to do that now I suppose. But the thing is do you just want to make art for some type of in the moment political trend or statement at the moment or do you want to create something more timeless and less defined by momentary trends.

Do you really want your vision to be hampered that much? And that’s why it almost doesn’t matter.

But I think it is an idea, to try and go in areas or directions they’re not supposed to go but it would be really hard to do.

ugh Coldplay playing higher power they really do practically have everything they have religion locked down

Coldplay playing higher power