Thread 60477364

Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

Monero payments are anonymous, low-fee by design and fully fungible, meaning users can send XMR globally without issue and receive XMR without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain. Thus by default, the TX history of all Monero users is kept hidden from the prying eyes of adversaries, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

Monero algorithmically ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

Monero's bespoke mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

Monero's tail emission - 0.6 XMR every block forever - financially incentives for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation asymptotically trends to zero and is offset somewhat by a steady rate of coin loss.

Monero has thus far proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. Monero is now also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well. See below.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.


XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Resources: https://libereco.xyz/resources/

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO BUY XMR: https://i.imgur.com/XdppsQ7.png
Crypto ATMs: see kycnot.me

>MINING
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official GUI/CLI
Featherwallet

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>60432108

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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about. Don't be a HODLtard.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me
https://unstoppableswap.net
http://basicswapdex.com


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>How to *safely* acquire, store and spend XMR

An optimal XMR user set-up involves 2 separate wallets: an offline cold wallet (savings account) and an online hot wallet (chequing account) for everyday spending. XMR amounts larger than a few hundred dollars worth should not be stored on a hot wallet for obvious reasons. So ideally, you'll want to direct all payments/donations to your cold wallet by default and then transfer smaller amounts over to your hot wallet as necessary.

Relying on 3rd party hardware wallets comes with certain security caveats so they are not recommended. Instead, its surprisingly easy to engineer a very robust storage solution yourself using readily available hardware: a laptop and a smartphone.

>Laptop

This will be running Featherwallet and must be *permanently* disabled from ever connecting to the internet again! That means physically removing the M.2 Bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and gumming up the ethernet port with superglue.

OS should be Linux rather than Windows, preferably a Debian-based lightweight distro. Encrypting the relevant user directory with LUKS is recommended but not essential.

It must have a functional webcam.


>Smartphone

This can be your primary device. It will host both your hot wallet e.g. Cake, Monerujo, etc and the NERO view-only wallet that is paired with your laptop.

To set everything up: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

NOTE: if you don't have a laptop you can use another smartphone and install the ANON wallet onto it, its essentially the same thing but with somewhat weaker security guarantees. Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno

>In a nutshell

- you accept all (substantial) payments to your cold wallet.
- you monitor incoming payments on NERO.
- you initiate the transfer of funds from your cold wallet to hot wallet on NERO and sign the TX on your laptop via QR codes.
- you spend the funds and help grow the XMR economy.


FYI this is the most secure storage solution currently available.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

So now that we are cucked out of cashing into dollars what the fuck are we supposed to do? I have been thinking about buying a flat in Cambodia or Kenya and paying directly with monero. Not memeing, I'm dead serious.

>>60477391
i hate that there has to be some template spam in the start of the thread. no one cares about these and its annoying to scroll

>>60477364 (OP)
I like this new poster

>>60477364 (OP)
why is monerochan so cute/pretty

>>60477731
>paying directly with monero.

Yeah, that's the entire point.

Reporting in
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Some prime laser-eyed comedy gold for your amusement.

https://www.thebitcoinmaxiswereright.com/monero/

>Imperfect fungibility is not a deal breaker. Bitcoin's fungibility is sufficient. Once a token has all necessary features to allow it to be money, minimum properties, it then is to compete, not on the quality of its features, but on its monetary network/social properties, of which Bitcoin is winning by far, as I explained.

>What makes it sufficient is that people are choosing to use it. If fungibility was a deal-breaker people would not adopt it, and Bitcoin wouldn't be far in the lead as world digital money. This is the case with all properties of money. It's not some theoretical made-up thing. Wrong choices have consequences.

>Monero is actually used
>This is the "everyone is using monero more and more" marketing scam. Try harder.

>Monero has already overtaken btc in darkmarkets.
>How could you know, I thought it was private? You're just believing manufactured hype.

https://xcancel.com/parman_the/status/1931685847293972910

Yes, he's actually claiming that all these "rumors" of the darknet abandoning BTC is just us making shit up lmao

Never change, Bitfags.

Is it safe to keep an XMR seed phrase in a text file (encrypted if that helps), on an air-gapped laptop that physically cannot (hardware removed) connect to the internet? What if it's on TAILS but I only open it with said laptop (is this safer or unnecessary)?

I understand that the laptop can be stolen etc, but is it digitally safe?

Any tari fags here? What's the best way to merge-mine XTM? Primarily I want to mine XTM with my middle class GPU and CPU but also support the Monero network at the same time and get XMR mining rewards from a mining pool.

João Vuvuzela just dropped another copium-fueled masterpiece.

>The Darknet Market Privacy Metric Myth

>I've heard a constantly repeated trope that darknet market adoption is the chief, or only, value metric for privacy-focused cryptocurrency projects. I've even heard it as the only worthwhile adoption metric for any digital cash-focused crypto.

>I'd like to take a moment to dispel that myth.

>Yes, demand for privacy will always trend higher in the criminal world than in the regular economy, but this is not a good be-all metric for the soundness of privacy technology, as I'll explain below.

https://xcancel.com/TheDesertLynx/status/1931432779377729946

>>60477364 (OP)
I bought Monero instead of Bitcoin, am I gonna make it bros?

>>60481842
>I bought Monero instead of Bitcoin, am I gonna make it bros?

No.

>>60477731
how much do you have anon

>>60481869
8

I'm going on holiday to Budapest, will it be possible to live there from my XMR stack? Was thinking of swapping to btc and finding the lowest fee bitcoin atm to withdraw into the local currency.

Also I accidentally bought an extra ticket to a Molchat Doma show on the 22nd, if anyone wants it you can have it for half price in XMR

>>60480456
they just truly cant understand that monero is meant for p2p private transactions, and not some sort of speculative gamble

its incredible

>>60480456
people use bitcoin all the time. they love the hours long confirmation times, several-dollar fees and no privacy. It's got kind of a retro/cypherpunk vibe to it which is nice for when you get assraped in jail for using it

>>60481842
no dude monero is a scamcoin made by pic rel
if you "invest" in moreno you are braindead. just choose a safe investment like bitcoin or fartcoin

>>60482049
Isn't Monero open source though?
How can it be a scam?

>>60482049
>just choose a safe investment like bitcoin or fartcoin

Imagine not owning Fartcoin in 2025.

>>60482100
>Isn't Monero open source though?
>How can it be a scam?

Bitconnect was open source too.

>>60477364 (OP)
>>60477920
>>60481862
>https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/a-maximally-simple-l1-privacy-roadmap/23459
Vitalik noticed Monero's getting more attention
>Incorporate privacy tools
>Move the ecosystem toward “one address per application” by default.
>Make send-to-self privacy-preserving by default - needed to make (2) work
>Implement FOCIL and EIP-7701, and make sure to implement a version of FOCIL that is EIP-7701-friendly.
>Incorporate TEE-based RPC privacy into existing wallets, as a short-term mitigation.
>Replace TEEs with private information retrieval (PIR) once the tech becomes ready.
>Wallets should connect to multiple RPC nodes, optionally through a mixnet, ideally use a different RPC node per dapp.
>Work on proof aggregation protocols to allow multiple privacy-protocol transactions to share a single onchain proof.
>Work on privacy-preserving keystore wallets

https://monero.observer/samsunggalaxyplayer-15/
ITS HAPPENING

>>60483512
I've got a privacy roadmap for vitalik: remove all scripting lmao

with xmr being outlawed in EU it will no longer be possible for EU to swap xmr to €

cakewallet / swap to ltc won't fix it, because the exchanges to offramp will just flag it

>>60484115
>cakewallet / swap to ltc won't fix it, because the exchanges to offramp will just flag it
Mig mouth, pulls fud out of his ass

After swapping from xmr to ltc, one can use mimblewimble in ltc to hide the trail and cash out to eur

>>60484115
Also, switzerland exchanges still work with XMR

>>60481842
why would you invest in the grey market instead of the normie market?
buying monero is good for monero, so i wont say anything against that. purely % return however Bitcoin is still king.

Going Super Saiyan over $400

>>60484776
i don't know a single swiss exchange

>>60484790
>why would you invest in the grey market instead of the normie market?

With the "normie" (white) market, crypto is just one payment option out of many and usually the one that gets used the least, if at all.

With the digital grey/black market, crypto is the ONLY option, would-be shoppers are quite literally forced to acquire coins before they buy goods/services. Couple that fact with the observation that said market is trending toward a Monero-only standard and the answer is obvious.

DISLCAIMER: Monero is a terrible investment and only good for spending, consider investing in BTC or dog memes instead.


>buying monero is good for monero,

Only if you spend it.


>purely % return however Bitcoin is still king.

lol those "returns" aren't real, between the rampant market manipulation and zero-sum dynamics, its mathematically impossible for every single BTC baggie in the green to cash out their SICK GAINZ, most will in fact lose everything.

And FYI, when virtually 100% of returns are coming from fellow investors, you're in a ponzi scheme. BTC used to have substantial non-investor demand back in the day when normies were buying it to go shopping on the darknet and elsewhere but those days are long gone now, every current BTC buyer expects exponential future returns, which renders the whole thing a ticking bomb. Tick tock, motherfuckers.

>>60485681
>between the rampant market manipulation and zero-sum dynamics, its mathematically impossible for every single BTC baggie in the green to cash out their SICK GAINZ, most will in fact lose everything.

Aren't you looking at this wrong? You don't hold BTC to someday cash out big. You hold and save in BTC and it continuously increases in value because it's finite, only converting to fiat, or whatever the currency of the future becomes, when you need to spend.

>>60485636
Dfx swiss

>>60485681
>And FYI, when virtually 100% of returns are coming from fellow investors, you're in a ponzi scheme
brilliant observation dipshit, unfortunately it also applies to literally any other asset in existence
>you can only make money if someone wants the thing for more than you paid!
BTC is king and you will be made to kneel

>>60485854
>You don't hold BTC to someday cash out big

Lets not kid ourselves, 99% of BTC/crypto baggies are here solely for the fiat gainz.

>You hold and save in BTC and it continuously increases in value because it's finite

Horseshit maxi marketing narrative. BTC doesn't go up because its finite (buying for the tech), it goes up because of rampant market manipulation (wash trading, Tether shenanigans) and the ensuing FOMO, which is helped along by the endless crypto media shilling and warnings to not miss out on le guaranteed generational wealth.

As explained, paper gains aren't real, only realized gains are and you can't sell to buyers that don't actually exist for fiat that was never there. BTC HODLtards are too stupid to understand this simple fact even after its repeatedly explained to them like they're 5 so they're going to have to learn the hard way.

BTW, the fact that BTC baggies have to constantly keep reminding is all that we're missing out is textbook greater fool theory.

>>60485928
>>And FYI, when virtually 100% of returns are coming from fellow investors, you're in a ponzi scheme
>brilliant observation dipshit, unfortunately it also applies to literally any other asset in existence

lol holy shit, sub-80 IQ confirmed.

>>60485997
glad i didnt buy into this ponzi scheme

>>60486102
apple stock pays dividends

>>60485928
we wuz kangs

>>60481742
>is it digitally safe?
What do you even mean? Are you worried about people breaking into computer and connecting it to the internet without you noticing or that state actors can unlock any computer?

What if it's on TAILS but I only open it with said laptop (is this safer or unnecessary)?
Why would storing your seed on flash memory be safer?

>>60486102
>glad i didnt buy into this ponzi scheme

Apple sells the hardware & software it develops to paying customers, the non-investors in this equation. That's basically how you can differentiate legit investments from ponzi schemes: legit investments always involve paying customers/clients (non-investors) in some way.

Thus, the only mathematically sound way some crypto can actually work as an investment is if a *super-majority* of the demand for it is coming from non-investors who are buying it ONLY for its tech and NOT for profit as this ensures *every* investor has adequate exit liquidity on demand. As soon as that ratio flips and there's more profiteers than non-investors involved, you're in ponzi country and unlikely to ever realize a profit. Its very basic math but cryptotards seem incapable of grasping even this.

Hence why Monero is a terrible investment that should only be bought to be spent while BTC is going up forever and everybody holding it is a future millionaire.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

>>60477364 (OP)
anyone mined on 3090? what is hash rate?

>>60487861
Nvidia? Worse than on any decent CPU. XMR is CPU-friendly coin.

>>60481742
what would be the difference between doing this and simply having your keys in this device? your keys are encrypted as well.
different, custom encryption of your text file with the seed? what do you really gain?

Sooo uhhhh

What's the deal with grin or wownero?

>>60488473
>grin
dumped back.
>wownero
are they going to be the first to mainnet the fcmp++?

>>60481742
just memorize the seed phrase

>>60489021
If you are going to do this you should use polyseed. Remembering 16 words is easier than remembering 25.

>>60489054
yep, also with 25 words, you are burdened to remember the wallet creation date. Polyseed encodes that info into the 16 word seeds.

>>60488815
>wownero fielding fcmp++

where did you hear this? or is this just from the notion that in the past WOW functioned as a ghetto "testnet" for XMR?

if WOW is even thinking about fcmp++ I need to mine. I'm brutally out of the loop.

>>60477364 (OP)
bump

>>60489541
>or is this just from the notion that in the past WOW functioned as a ghetto "testnet" for XMR?
This

>>60481742
>>60489054
>>60489124
Why not just buy a ledger

>>60490809
A ledger is just a convenient way of having an airgapped setup. If you have an old laptop lying around it is just as good, less conspicuous and you don't need to worry about Ledger doxxing you. A used Thinkpad is cheaper than all but the cheapest Ledger and will probably outlast them. Especially since the original Nano S had screens that die over time and the newer model is presumably the same except without user replaceable screens (for your protection!). Also some freetards will tell you that the secure element is a backdoor since it is closed source if you want to go down that rabbithole. Ledger are an option but not the only one. If you already have one by all means use it.

Rate my Ledger Stax wallpaper btw. /biz/ is so dead and poor that there are almost zero posts on the archive about Ledger's two newest premium level devices that released a year ago.

Latest update from jberman:

> All expected tests now pass in fcmp++-stage (we have green CI), shared a TODO list for launch issue tracker ( seraphis-migration/monero #53 ), made serious headway on destroying FFI types correctly thanks to @jeffro256 ( seraphis-migration/monero #39 )

Edging ever closer to ditching ring signatures. Z-cucks on suicide watch.

>>60477364 (OP)
Monero is banned in a lot of countries so I made a trading chat for those poor anons.
Just search Monero Trading Chat on Telegram if you want to do peer to peer trading.

>>60491203
What moneromaxis don't understand is that even with its supposedly superior future tech, compliance is still king and will still matter to society. There will no mass adoption if some form of compliance isn't built into the protocol. Say what you want about Zcash, but hey, at least with it you have anti-establishment people like Snowden being involved in its creation.

>>60491318
>compliance is still king and will still matter to society. There will no mass adoption if some form of compliance isn't built into the protocol. Say what you want about Zcash, but hey, at least with it you have anti-establishment people like Snowden being involved in its creation.
>stealth monerochad undermining the zeeshit's narrative with weak nonsense rhetoric.
based.

>>60491318
zcash is also getting banned. there is no advantage to cucking out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqKQWcBPPBU

>open cake wallet
>try to buy anything
>now for your KYC, do the goy shuffle faggot

why is that pic reposted so much again...?

>>60491318
>What moneromaxis don't understand is that even with its supposedly superior future tech, compliance is still king and will still matter to society. There will no mass adoption if some form of compliance isn't built into the protocol. Say what you want about Zcash, but hey, at least with it you have anti-establishment people like Snowden being involved in its creation.

Obvious bait but I'll chime in anyways: non-compliance is the entire point of cypherpunk tech in the first place. Compliant crypto is therefore just PayPal with extra steps and no consumer protections, might as well just use PayPal directly at that point.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60491682
the maxipads are down so bad that they are just flat out lying about darknet adoption now

>>60491682
>>60491712
>darknet adoption now
what are the actual numbers?

>>60491712
>the maxipads are down so bad that they are just flat out lying about darknet adoption now

Yeah, I pointed this out last General, they're now actively denying reality to maintain the "BTC can't be replaced, LN fixes everything" delusion, basically Hitler in the Fuhrer Bunker.

>>60491717
>what are the actual numbers?

Dismal for BTC, XMR-only markets constitute an ever-greater share of new launches. Hop on over to Dread and try posting about BTC in market-related subs, the auto-mod will school yo ass.

>>60491625
works for me, but dfx.swiss is euro only

>>60491303
Do you have multisig or any escrow or just going off blind trust?

>>60493025
Monero is totally untracable anon so people in the countries where Monero is banned might choose to take a little risk and buy from someone online.

>>60477364 (OP)
If people really want to trade privately they do it with Monero.

>>60491318
>There will no mass adoption if some form of compliance isn't built into the protocol.
FCMP++ fixes this

>>60480456
I miss the old maxis, sure they were still retarded but at least they actually used bitcoin and were kinda interested in trying to meme things like lightning into existence. Now it's just a bunch of humourless retards who have nothing except desperately hoping for number go up.

>>60493086
just use retoswap

>>60493457
>I miss the old maxis, sure they were still retarded but at least they actually used bitcoin and were kinda interested in trying to meme things like lightning into existence. Now it's just a bunch of humourless retards who have nothing except desperately hoping for number go up.

That's what happens when you allow moonfaggotry to run rampant, they outbreed the ideologues and devolve the entire effort into a shameless cash grab.

>>60495666
Bullshit. There is no ideological argument for Bitcoin anymore. If there was they could support moonfags. Moonfags don't matter one way or the other.

>>60490894
Is that e-ink?

>>60481772
I'm just running the Tari gui with the hope that it's mining Tari properly and there's a chance of solo mining an XMR block.

When mining on moneroocean I didn't notice any additional hashrate which I would have expected.

>>60495934
Yes, a curved e-ink screen no less. unnecessary price bloat but really fucking cool looking. The Ledger Stax and Ledger Flex both use e-ink screens. I really like Ledgers new hardware wallets but they are stupid expensive for what they are so hard to recommend.

>>60496033
You need to get a few more so you can do some Monerochans and stack them.

>>60483512
It's true. Just the other day I asked him when ETh will join XMR in getting delisted for privacy.

>>60484776
Switzerland even has plenty of these Spar supermarkets that accept Monero if I remember correctly.

>>60477364 (OP)
I bought some Monero because of the hype threads on /biz/
Was this smart, or is Monero like fiat where you only bother to convert when you want to buy something?

>>60497904
Awesome

>building monero with Trezor support is a bitch, protobuf=29.4 doesn't work, protobuf=30.2 works and builds, cmake confirms Trezor support is enabled, but the built binary doesn't detect my Trezor anyways, have to use prebuilt binaries instead
>sometimes it still won't detect my Trezor, unless i close my other software wallets and re-plug the Trezor
>still can't input Trezor hidden wallet password on host in monero-wallet-cli ("Cannot get a device address"), have to type this long password on the tiny Trezor touchscreen instead
>random "Call method failed" errors during transfers
use an airgapped laptop or something bros, in my experience Trezor is too janky and it's support in monero tools frequently breaks, i've been using one since 2020 and every fucking time i want to move some funds between it and a software wallet i waste several hours dealing with this shit.
Also, a noisy 5V USB line makes the Trezor touchscreen go apeshit, making it unable to input any passwords, did they really cheap out on capacitors on a $129 device? I've never seen it happen on any USB guest device before, what a joke.

>>60499511
>have to use prebuilt binaries instead
What is the point of not just using prebuilt binaries with a hardware wallet? The whole point of them is that you can use them even on compromised computers without getting wallet drained and it is good practice to always assume your computer has been hacked before you plug them in.

>>60499597
i use software wallets too, big hardware wallet acts like a cold storage that i access maybe once a year, while smaller software wallet i use regularly for payments.
I'd rather always build the software from source, now i have to remember which binary to use for which wallet.

>>60498305
Yes

>>60499620
>now i have to remember which binary to use for which wallet.
I just use seperate VMs for hot and cold wallets.

i hope you guys took profits while you still can

>>60500069
Why, I can 5x my money buying magic powders in bulk on Monero markets and get my money back as long as it doesn't drop more than 80%.

>>60500069
>took profits
>monero
you're missing the point bruv. It's just a fancy way to buy goods and services or transport money without notifying banks and government about it.
>>60500186
I'd prefer normieshit to slowly move to monero. Magic powder and scriptkiddie associations invite way too much scrutiny from feds.

>>60500581
>you're missing the point bruv. It's just a fancy way to buy goods and services or transport money without notifying banks and government about it.

Unfathomably based.

Does anyone of you guys make real work and are paid in XMR?
I'm considering in accepting XMR as a form of payment. How do you charge in these cases? DO you grant a discount since you're not paying taxes, or do you actually charge MORE as a "convenience tax" for accepting a special currency?

>>60500800
It's up to you obviously. If it will save you fees or taxes then you can make it a lower price to incentivise customers to use XMR. If XMR is just a hassle for you but some customers want to pay with it then you could charge more but I think that would be pretty rare. You could also just charge the exact same.

>>60500800
Never had a pleasure, sadly. But from my perspective its very much dependent on what kind of job you do and for what kind of clients. Generally, I'd give a symbolic discount, but depending on how "clean" you want your money to be you may consider adding some sort of processing fee on top. Really case by case kind of thing in my opinion.

>>60500800
>DO you grant a discount since you're not paying taxes

Remember that normies typically have no incentive to pay with crypto, its more of a hassle than PayPal/credit card with fewer consumer protections so the only plausible way of convincing them to jump thru all the necessary hoops (talking about legal goods/ services here) is sub-retail pricing, simply offer them a better deal than your white market competition and let human nature take its course.

As for libertarian types who are already incentivized to spend crypto, they're much easier to attract and may well be willing to pay a lil extra in return for zero paper trails and the thrill of getting away with it.

The most willing customers are obviously fellow earners, buying/paying directly makes more economic sense for them than converting to fiat.

From what I've seen, bullion is something you can price at a premium and still get customers lining up around the block, just be aware that this will eventually put you on the glowie radar so its best done on darknets.

>>60485928
but isn't kneeling what BTCucks™ do when they beg for DNM acceptance and everyone says "no thank you, we take XMR only"?
And if bullying BTC is bad, why does it feel good?

>>60502544
what is the carbon standard tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcKtZ_AtEU

>>60501014
I'm a civil engineer, I do structural design of concrete and steel structures, so the "product" (actually, the deliverable stuff) are plans with drawings of detailings and specifications, quantities takeoffs, schedules, etc.
I don't really know if there's a market for people who for some reason would want to hire this kind of service and pay with monero (maybe people building sketchy shit?? well I DO design underground concrete structures that could be used for a bunker! lmao), but if I want to accept crypto and be as anonymous as possible, while also keeping the customer identities as anonymous as feasible.
>>60501102
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I suppose charging the same price would be best after all. It's simpler.

What are the chances that TARI is just a massive scam?

Didn't Fluffypony go to prison for fraud?

>>60503597
>What are the chances that TARI is just a massive scam?

Virtually 100%.

>Didn't Fluffypony go to prison for fraud?

Yes, he bribed the judge to secure his release. Monero is developed by criminals for criminals.

Fuck the police.

>>60495681
I thought it was a meme but they're somehow real >>>/pol/507358353
It's unbelievable

>>60504519

These laser-eyed dipshits are God's generous gift to the Monero economy. Long may they HODL.

The OpenMonero admin might be actually fucking retarded.

When will this shit go back to $200 so I can buy some?

Behold the Separation of Money and State.

>>60505493
Buy now!

>>60505654
The volatility is scary

>>60477364 (OP)
Bump

>>60477364 (OP)
Can someone clue me in on the XMR opsec failures in the past?

How does the blockchain handle volume?

Mining & security, is it possibly to mine anonymously? Would a group of miners have extra ability to determine identity?

>>60505615
Bitshittera are unironic tether maxies now. They work with the govt regime

>>60505941
> How does the blockchain handle volume?
Not unlike your mum

This is almost as hilarious as that BTC conference that only accepted fiat.

>>60507584
>literal hexagon

https://reclaimthenet.org/senate-advances-genius-act-stablecoin-regulation-crypto-privacy
fuck this

>>60477364 (OP)
lol do monero holders see themselves as anime girls like trannies do?

>>60508235
>Only those who qualify as “permitted payment stablecoin issuers” may operate legally under the bill, provided they submit to extensive regulatory oversight, including audits, public disclosures, and strict reserve requirements.

Tether right now.

all of this is too much to keep track of

>>60484115
cake wallet sucks anyway. shit chokes on a , in the coin amount and wont do anything at all

>>60507699
>literal black rock

>>60489541
fcmp++ is all wownero thinks about

>>60508235
Trump in 2023: NO CBDC IN AMERICA!(didn't a few red states even pass laws that says none can happen?)
Trump in 2025: EVERY BANK GETS A STABLECOIN

Archetype Market just got pwn3d. $7.8 million worth of XMR seized.

>Europe-wide takedown hits longest-standing dark web drug market

>Archetyp Market operated as a drug marketplace for over five years, amassing more than 600 000 users worldwide with a total transaction volume of at least EUR 250 million. With over 17 000 listings, it is one of the few darknet markets that allowed the sale of fentanyl and other highly potent synthetic opioids, contributing to the growing threat posed by these substances in Europe and beyond.

>The takedown follows years of intensive investigative work to map the platform’s technical architecture and identify the individuals behind it. By tracing financial flows, analysing digital forensic evidence, and working closely with partners on the ground, authorities were able to deliver a decisive blow to one of the most prolific drug markets on the dark web.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/europe-wide-takedown-hits-longest-standing-dark-web-drug-market

Cringe LE video (Monero logo flashed briefly): https://operation-deepsentinel.com/video/OperationDeepSentinel.mp4

As per Dread they've reportedly had issues with sloppy management over the years so it'll likely end up being a misconfigured server or Tor flooding attack that took em out, they were being DDOS'd like a motherfucker for quite a while. Live and learn.

>>60511381
>Cringe LE video
....why did they make this

>>60511381
The buzz on dread this past Friday was very interesting. Both Hug Bunter and the main admin posted threads on the arch sub dread and DNMs that everything was okay and they'll be back up in no time. All officially signed via pgp.
So I wonder if they lost access to their computers or forced to post to maybe let the vendors log in

>>60511446
I'm transfixed. Watched it 3 times already. What did they mean by this?

>>60511634
>what did they mean by this
Cops are like, really cool and badass

Where do I buy prescription medication now?

>>60511381
>operation-deepsentinel.com
honeypot lol

>>60511381
Does this mean price goes up due to less available XMR or price goes down because Eurocucks are gonna dump ~24k XMR on trade ogre

>>60512228
>Does this mean price goes up due to less available XMR or price goes down because Eurocucks are gonna dump ~24k XMR on trade ogre

Depends. Amerifat glowies have a policy of keeping seized AECs (privacy coins) on ice indefinitely, effectively taking those coins out of circulation. Eurocuck glowies have previously "untainted" and sold off seized BTC but its unclear what they'll do in this case. Nothing will happen until legal proceedings have concluded, and that could take years.

lmao Alby (custodial LN wallet) has started charging an "inactivity fee" and is literally seizing funds from user accounts.

Monero’s FCMP+ Upgrade Status with Diego Salazar of Cypher Stack | EPI 353

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wak-CICRi9s

What chat messenger you guys use for privacy? SimpleX seems cool

I'm not a regular here but I know this general had more knowledgeable people than most so I asking here:
Is the information contained in this website safe and reliable?
https://github.com/slowmist/Blockchain-dark-forest-selfguard-handbook
I'm looking to get into crypto but want to know how to secure my shit since there's so many stories about people getting their stuff stolen.
If that link is unreliable, where can I find documentation that would be reliable and noob friendly?

>>60513488
The link is fine. You are going to be paranoid when you hold crypto and that isn't a bad thing.
>there's so many stories about people getting their stuff stolen.
Just like all modern security breaks. The vast, vast majority of this is caused by stupidity. If your friend sitting next to you can't break into your reasonably secure computer hackers can't either unless you do something pretty dumb.

>>60512381
this can't be real, it's too good

>>60499511
>protobuf
google delenda est

>>60513428
IMO it's overkill: Session is fine 95% of the time
(signal also if you want to talk with normalfags and/or US military command)

>>60481842
hopefully not because i want my colombian gold backed crab coin back to normal
it was so high i had to sell

>>60513428
xmpp omemo

>>60499511
I don't even understand the appeal of hardware wallets.
It's a cool gadget. But practically speaking it just adds problems and attack vectors.
I've been repeating this for years here, and I will do so again (maybe relevant for >>60513488)

A proper equilibrium of convenience an security is using a normal USB flash drive with Linux installed inside, and you wallets in there.

This enables you to use software that you trust to access your crypto (Monero's GUI or CLI, Bitcoin's electrum).
You can hold an infinite number of different coins (if they have a wallet that works on linux).
You can make it airgapped if you want (never connect to the internet and sign the transactions offline).
You can use TailOS as the linux in your USB and have all connection routed through Tor
You can use any normal Linux, and maybe use VeraCrypt to create an encrypted partition inside your Linux USB
You can very easily duplicate this USB flash drive to many USB flash drives and have multiple backups
You gain added security because no one will be suspicious of a random USB flash drive, while a gadget with the label "TREZOR- SAVE YOUR BITCOIN HERE" is just flashing to criminals you have crypto.

I've been pushing this since 2018 when hardware wallets started becoming popular and I quickly noticed it as an attack vector. I've seen some other people sharing this blueprint elsewhere and I'm happy to be that are more reasonable people out there pushing simple and accessible DIY solutions.

Installing Linux on a USB flash drive is very simple and straightforward. It requires no more technical expertise than what you already have by being in the crypto space.

>>60513522
>>60514144
Thank you.

>>60513527
>this can't be real, it's too good

It's very real.

>Alby Users Shocked as Inactive Wallets Are Emptied: What You Need to Know

Several Alby wallet users have discovered that their Bitcoin funds were automatically withdrawn due to a little-known “inactivity clause” buried in the platform’s updated Terms of Service. The clause allows Alby to remove BTC from legacy custodial wallets—those created before 2023—if they remain unused for 12 months.

https://www.cryptometer.io/news/alby-users-shocked-as-inactive-wallets-are-emptied-what-you-need-to-know/

>>60514144
>Installing Linux on a USB flash drive is very simple and straightforward. It requires no more technical expertise than what you already have by being in the crypto space.
Delusional freetard. The average person who holds crypto is incapable of learning how to do this.

>>60514360
>The average person who holds crypto is incapable of learning how to do this.
You're wrong. The average person is capable of learning how to do this, as it is not hard. If you follow the instructions on the Tails website you will end up with a functioning USB flash drive running Tails is less than 20 minutes. It requires you to know how to read and follow instructions.
You don't need to type anything in command line, you don't need tinker with your system or anything. The most complex step is learning what button to press on your keyboard when you turn your computer on to be able to boot from the USB flash drive.

You can argue that most people are not inclined to follow these steps themselves, and you'd have a great point: we do live in the era of extreme convenience where people pay close to $ 30 to have an indian deliver them a hamburger that they could make themselves at home with $ 3 worth of ingredients. So yes, some people will prefer to pay an overpriced gadget like Trezor or Ledger but no one needs it and most of the time the hamburger is not as good as if you had made it yourself at home.

>>60514404
The people I have recommended hardware wallets to were storing their seed phrase on their phone and would still be doing so if I hadn't nagged them. I agree it is very easy and anyone should be able to do it but I have also worked with people who have been using computers several hours everyday since the 90s who don't know how to open PDF files. I don't think this is retardation, just learned helplessness and their isn't much you can do with these people.

From a non retarded standpoint, I like hardware wallets. There is no equally convenient airgapped wallet as a Hardware wallet and realistically for most people, myself included making your airgapped wallet easier to use will result in you using an airgapped setup every time instead of some of the time. You absolutely don't need one and some people get it into their heads that it is the only safe way to use crypto but they are nice.

>>60511381
kek druggies. they always mess up something

>>60514356
thats a good idea but the time should probably be longer. this way coins wont be wasted as people lose their wallets

>>60513245
Seems like a good update. Doesn't look like any major blockers on FCMP right now. Is there an estimate for when FCMP is being released?

>>60513488
Everything there is correct, however a much shorter version of that whole link is
>Never tell anyone you own crypto
>Store your seed phrase on something safe, somewhere safe, that only you know about
>Keep your wallet on a separate device that you only use for crypto

Unfortunately many retards will read the short version and tell everyone that they keep their crypto on coinbase, or keep their seed phrase under their pillow in case they lose their iPhone with their hot wallet on it

Don't forget to like and subscribe!

>>60515617
>unironically following monero influencers
is there someone who talks about tech or it's all "culture" posters?

>>60515725

Seth, Xenu and Slikk Ricc are the most tech-focused of the bunch.

Monerica is the most agorist-pilled.

Doug and his crew are the most pragmatic and solutions-oriented.

Maverick and his minions are the most /pol/tarded and pointlessly divisive. Possibly feds.

Vik is the most likely to be spending XMR on hookers & blow.

SuperTestnet is a maxi troll who is obsessed with LN flipping XMR.

Vlad is Monero-curious but still shills his very heavy ZEC bags damn near every day.

AilliA mods XmrBazaar and has the best cleavage. (vid related).

>>60515808
booba

>>60515808
Not enough sweaty tummy

pedo coin

>>60516096
>pedo coin

Problem?

any monero programmers here? can you fucking fix the GUI wallet so it doesnt take 2 months to download the blockchain? nobody is gonna run their own nodes if it takes a year for this shit to download. im still only like 90% synced and ive been running the download nonstop since early may its now mid june

>>60516258
use an SSD lol

>>60516258
Are you on the latest software?
But honestly, just use feather wallet. It's more sleek, less bulky, can connect via tor automatically, and it's way more user friendly.
You can use the same wallet file without having to start over

>>60515808
>SuperTestnet is a maxi troll who is obsessed with LN flipping XMR.

This disingenuous faggot is borderline obsessed - now he's set up a site documenting all of Monero's alleged fails (debunked by Xenu's Attack of the Poisoned Outputs series). Oh, and he suggests we therefore all switch to using LN.

https://moneroleaks.xyz/

Yet another example of how maxipads shamelessly lie in their feeble attempts to marginalize the One True Coin.

>>60517203
I will NEVER use LN-shit. I will NEVER use a stupid layer2 on bitshit thay doesn't address bitshits real issues.

I will NEVER use LN-shit.

>>60484115
It is outlawed only if you use shit exchanges online that require KYC

>>60484790
> Doesn't know money are made in the grey markets

>>60485971
based. also BTC won't go up much more probably 2x or 3x but I would say the risk doesn't worth the squeeze anymore

>>60514144
Aren't USB key notorious for being unreliable and prone to lose data when used too much or not enough?

>>60517539
Yes, but this can easily be mitigated. Buy two USB keys, Samsung Bar are a recommended brand and then buy a new one every year so you shitloads of backups. That is assuming you are running Tails only from USBs like he said which doesn't prevent you from also keeping an SSD running a more permanent linux install you don't even need to keep plugged into your computer. Alternatively, put linux on an old laptop and only use it for crypto. It doesn't need to be a good laptop and you can probably get a 10 year old business grade one for $100-200.

Obviously consider keeping paper or metal backups of your seed too because losing your shit is a bigger threat than having it stolen unless you are a high profile target. As an aside Hardware wallets use a different type of memory that will probably last 20 years plus but the devices themselves remain untested. My 7 year old Ledger works but the screen is kind of fucked which is a common fault, A replacement one is $3 on Ali. Newer models don't have user replaceable screens for alleged security reasons.

do you think it will bottom at 200?

>>60519130
Bottom is/was 300

>>60519153
Seems too high. it will probally be close to 300 though.

How would you accept XMR payments at a physical store? At what point do you consider a transaction valid? It took almost 30 minutes for something a few days ago to get all 10 confirmations

>>60520333
>Print a qr code of your address and hang at register
Or
>have a dedicated tablet with cake or something easy to unlock and scan for customers(view keys only can't trust employees)
>1 conf or just seeing it in the mempool is cool with me for less than $500

>>60520333
>At what point do you consider a transaction valid? It took almost 30 minutes for something a few days ago to get all 10 confirmations

0-conf for a cup of coffee. 10 confs for a bar of gold. Adjust accordingly.

I'm working on a crypto exchange webapp!
Everything coded from ground up so far by me lol
(it says 15-20 minutes but I gotta change that because it's actually like 5 minutes from send to first confirmation)


https://zenx(dot)ink

>>60520666
rates are usually ~2-3%, gotta put that factoid in the site somewhere too, coding it rn. All non-kyc, xmr supported. No logging, full anonymous, etc etc.

Works pretty good so far.

>>60517021
This!!!!

>>60520549
How much xmr for a gf like her

>>60503433
Can you leave a contact? I think I'll want some bunker plans a few years from now.

my monero daemon is 2/3rd's done synching

>>60521916
Nice, anon

So the patent trolls have finally arrived.

>Bitcoin’s use of elliptic curve cryptography (ECC), which is essential for generating key pairs and validating digital signatures, has drawn the attention of a nonpracticing entity (NPE), more commonly known as a patent troll. In May 2025, Malikie Innovations Ltd., a troll that acquired thousands of patents from BlackBerry’s portfolio, filed lawsuits against major mining firms Core Scientific (CORZ) and Marathon Digital Holdings (MARA). (Some considered MARA an original patent troll itself and thus have expressed schadenfreude at the current attacks.) Malikie claims that routine Bitcoin operations (like verifying transactions with ECC-based signatures) infringe on several ECC-related patents originally developed by Certicom (later owned by BlackBerry). The patents cover techniques for accelerated digital signature verification, finite field math optimizations and other ECC improvements.

>In essence, Malikie seeks to impose a licensing regime on Bitcoin’s core cryptographic functions, a move that could set a dangerous precedent for the entire industry. If Malikie succeeds, virtually anyone running Bitcoin software (miners, node operators and potentially even wallet providers) could be exposed to patent liability.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/legal/the-trolls-are-coming-defending-bitcoin-mining-from-patent-trolls

>>60523114
patentguard licensing to make sure only illegal entities are allowed to use the software

>>60523150
I want to see how the non decentralised crypto that need a fucking data centre just to run a node like Solana or ICP supposed to defend against this shit.

>>>/g/105633629
lol

>>60523114
honestly genius

>>60520333
damn so monero really will have the same issue that bitcoin has, super slow transactions if people start actually using it.

>>60523456
I think two minutes for one confirmation is reasonable and should be enough for the vast majority of transactions in between $100 and $5000. Below that a 0-conf (in queue) transaction is enough. If you want to really be safe and wait 10 minutes for around 5 confirmations for a big purchase (that will have you over 10 minutes signing stuff and being explained other shit) it's not a big deal.
Honestly I think this is a non-issue. Two minutes for one confirmation is good.

The real pain in the ass is having to wait 10 confirmations (~20 minutes) to have the funds available. But I guess this is less of a problem for commerce. They could have a overnight procedure that sweep the total value to a cold wallet and fund it back with maybe 5 XMR (in 5 different outputs of 1 XMR) for occasional refunds.

>>60523493
well as long as it scales, then maybe. but bitcoin was fast too until people started using it and block size limits made it super slow and expensive to use

>>60520333
Instant. 0-conf for everything under $1000. 2 confirmations (<5 minutes) for everything under $1M. More than that you may as well wait 20 minutes to be sure.

>>60523456
>>60523517
No. You don't understand how BTC and XMR work, how they're different, or what he's talking about.

>>60523456
>damn so monero really will have the same issue that bitcoin has, super slow transactions if people start actually using it.

Apples and oranges. Monero is optimized for payments, BTC isn't.

BTC: 10 min block time, fixed 1MB block size
XMR: 2 min block time, dynamic unlimited block size

Assuming Nielsen's Law (Moore's Law for bandwidth) continues to hold and recursive ZK compression is optimized, we're good as far as on-chain scaling is concerned.

And if not, there's the L2 option, which has been getting some buzz lately. https://github.com/grease-xmr/grease

>>60523493
>The real pain in the ass is having to wait 10 confirmations (~20 minutes) to have the funds available
Isn't that just a UI thing in the wallet?

>>60523756
no its a privacy thing.
When you make a transaction, the software needs to pull your transactions and 10 fake transactions from the chain to hide the real transaction.

>>60523493
>Two minutes for one confirmation is good.
When you compare it to fiat (instant confirmation) it's not...really good. I can't imagine waiting in line with 5 people in front of me and that taking at least 10 minutes of my time. It needs to be way quicker. Somehow 0-conf needs to be normalized.

>>60523937
its normalized enough for me. if its in the mempool it aint going anywhere. and if in the off chance a block gets orphaned, all transactions go back into the mempool with no additional fee

wtf is happening

>>60521811
You have to be a veteran of SMO to taste her bussy. Especially hot if you are a hero without legs, arms or without a dick.

>>60523654
I've read about grease already, it's auxchannel based shit. We have linkibility (with fcmp), we have adaptor signatures, all we need to do to have payment channels is to keep timelocks. FCMP++ kills timelocks. So close.

>>60523493
yeah I think conf times are still tough without payment channels. I trust 1-conf for small in-person purchases. I don't trust 0-conf. It is too weak to finney attack. Ultimately it's the person reciving monero that decides what's valid.
I remember reading that the 10-confirmation limit will be removed eventually. It's not just a soft limit in the client, you need to wait at least 10 blocks for an enote to become valid.

>>60523306
yeah sync times are a major issue for in-person transactions

>>60520675
fixedfloat does it for cheaper

>>60523456
The latency doesn't increase with transaction throughput. Monero's block time is 2 minutes, compared to bitcoin's 10 mins.

>>60517203
this guy is a moron

>>60524443
Nothing he said is wrong. Although all he really said is:
1. If I send you money I will know one of your stealth addresses
2. That you will know that the stealth address is linked to your original address
3. I will also know how much money I sent you.

Utterly fucking retarded. Of course I know how much money I am sending someone and that they own the address they told me to send money to.

>>60509002
works for me

>>60523654
if you were a merchant at a cash register with a line of buyers behind you are you really going to wait 2+ minutes for a transaction to clear when a credit card clears in a second? they need to make the block time 2 seconds or figure out something else if they expect anyone to ever use monero as real world currency

>>60523493
this might work for purchases online that require mail shipments because nothing gets packaged and mailed out until the next day anyway but it wouldnt work for in person shopping or services.

>>60477379
shib

>>60524757
Credit cards don't clear in a second. Credit cards can even be charged back months after a transaction. Cheques took, at a minimum, days to clear. The level of trust required between parties is reduced 100x using 0-conf XMR compared to existing solutions. Monero is fine in the real world, you guys are just fucked in the head.

>>60524757
It's on the same level as this stupid fud >>60524443
Just creating ridiculous standards for Monero for no reason
>You received some XMR? BUSTED! Someone knows they sent some XMR somewhere. No, it doesn't matter that every BTC transaction reveals everything to the entire world, it's not a PRIVACY coin.
>Getting paid XMR for that chocolate bar? You HAVE TO wait 20 minutes to finalise the transaction otherwise the kid who could have just stuck the thing in his pocket and walked out might coordinate to have his transaction removed from Monero's mempool and run a 51% attack using a million times the power of his laptop.

is it stuck or do I just have to wait ages without any kind of status update?

>>60477364 (OP)
Bump

>>60524391
>grease
Instead of using eth, can grease use tari chain for the channel logic?

i love wownerochan
https://suchwow.xyz/meme/551

>>60521847
sure thing!
Concrete is my specialty, especially all things industrial, retaining walls, concrete floors or pavements, underground structures, etc.
andreastilo2
(at)
protonmail.com

>>60515617
>two of them are milady groomer pedophiles

>>60525271
If you want to wait less time you can do a pruned node.
If you don't want to do a node at all, and just transact, you can just connect remote node.

>>60524468
Monero needs to fix this so no-one knows how much money they are sending or where they are sending it

So if I want to import my wallet, I have to either input my block height and wait a fuckton of time or wait an even fucker ton of time, even when using remote nodes?
This shit sucks.

>>60527017
If you want to be a little bitch about it and not store your shit locally just use mymonero or rino wallet. These aren't usually recommended because it sends out your view keys to a 3rd party server but overall are trusted in the monero community.
Rino is newer but I'm pretty sure is the only wallet with working multisig rn

>>60527110
Don't you still need to wait for MyMonero's server to scan the blocks for transactions?

>>60527110
Adding to the view keys
It allows the wallet operators to see when you have an incoming transaction. And the amount. They cannot see who sent it, nor can they see if you ever spent it.
They can’t see any outgoing transactions

>>60527120
No that's the whole point

>>60526919
>Monero needs to fix this so no-one knows how much money they are sending or where they are sending it

Integrate one of them MiB memwipers into every wallet and activate it after every TX. True zero knowledge.

>>60527173
Wtf is this shit then

>>60527185
Well then I gotta say I'm wrong af lmao.
I thought that was the only reason people used it

>>60525528
you are still relying on the channel punishment to be denominated in another cryptocurrency, which is really undesirable. It's worse than the verifiable time-lock encryption stuff.
I have been thinking about this a lot. I have actually come up with a couple ideas that don't require timelocks. One of them is a rationally-secure unidirectional payment pseudo-channel (where only the receiving party can cash out at any time). Another is to just use TEEs for timelocks. Another idea is a bidirectional pseudo-channel that needs to be closed by both parties, but where the party that initiates the closure has to commit to a punishable state (it uses a backwards-linkability trick described in the sleepy channels paper), the advantage of this over a normal 2-of-2 multisig is that you can use a TEE to prevent renegotiation of the channel balance.
>>60526919
the amnesia update

>>60526193
Thanks. Might hit you up after the next bull run.

>>60527017
Wallets created with feather (14 seed words I think) scan faster in my experience. That's with an already synced local node.

>>60527110
Rino was shut down months ago unfortunately. I'd imagine he'll start it up again when Monero gets a lot more popular.

>>60527120
If you create the wallet with mymonero it should stay synced.

>>60527185
They used to charge a fee to import wallets because of the cost of scanning. You should be grateful. It will surely scan faster than you would have managed.

>>60520333
Embarrassing how much PoW consensus is mogged by BFT chads.

>>60523191
They're immune.

Solana uses the same signature algorithm Monero does, and EdDSA signatures were never legally vulnerable to patents like the old fashioned signatures in Bitcoin and Bitcoin clones were.

But no one should even take this AI-written slop "article" about frivolous legal filings seriously when no real news organization is covering it, not even CoinDesk.

>Conclusion
>
>The clash between Malikie Innovations and Bitcoin miners exemplifies a classic conflict between open innovation and legacy fiat intellectual property rights. History shows that industries can fend off patent trolls by using every available legal tool, from IPRs at the PTAB to robust invalidity defenses in court and by banding together through community-driven initiatives. U.S. law provides mechanisms like declaratory judgments, prior-art based invalidity challenges and the Alice test for abstract ideas to defend against overly broad or old patents repurposed by NPEs. The Bitcoin community, much like the open source software community before it, is now mobilizing these defenses.

MoneroKon 2025 - Day 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCTcerko_s

>>60528968
I am not watching them all. Any specific and interesting portions?

whats the best bang for buck mining CPU/mobo right now

So this is how Z-fags intend to compete with a fully ZK'd Monero - by compliance cucking even harder!


>The Death of Privacy Absolutism

The fundamental shift is undeniable: projects that cling to “privacy at all costs” messaging are systematically losing market access. When major exchanges like Binance and Kraken delisted Monero across multiple jurisdictions, it wasn’t just a regulatory compliance issue — it was a marketing wake-up call.

Consider the stark contrast in approaches:

Monero doubled down on its “secure, private, untraceable” positioning, maintaining ideological purity while watching its accessibility to mainstream users evaporate. The result? A passionate but increasingly isolated community trading primarily through decentralized channels.

Zcash took a different path, repositioning around “selective transparency” and marketing its viewing keys as compliance enablers rather than privacy limitations. Their “if Bitcoin is HTTP, Zcash is HTTPS” analogy successfully reframes privacy as standard internet security.

Dash went furthest, publicly rejecting the “privacy coin” label entirely and repositioning as “digital cash with optional privacy features.” The strategic pivot worked — Dash maintained listings on major platforms that purged other privacy coins.

The marketing lesson is clear: framing determines fate. Projects that position privacy as infrastructure rather than ideology consistently outperform those fighting regulatory reality

>The Bottom Line: Privacy as Competitive Advantage

The crypto projects that thrive over the next 18 months won’t be those that abandon privacy — they’ll be those that demonstrate how privacy enhances rather than threatens financial system integrity.

The question isn’t whether privacy and compliance can coexist — leading projects are already proving they can. The question is whether your marketing strategy will position your project among the winners or leave it behind as the industry evolves.

https://archive.is/NhNbu

>>60530131
>Bunch of Jew words

Props to all the Extremists that told this ditzy moonfag to GTFO.

>>60480189
based

>>60530401
need these people OUT
greedy bastards kill the vibe

You had a chance to sell at 420... Should've taken that. Really.

Look at some minisforum builds, without RAM and SSD the AMD MS-A2 is decent, looks about 22kH at decent wattage. If you're paying for electricity though, its not worth it. I just do it for fun and decentralization

other alternative for less hashrate, but for "fun" is to use old business devices - hp mini pc kinda thing, I picked one up for <50$ and was mining with it

>>60530131
i didnt know zcash was still a thing

>>60528968
>This video is private
Why? Just leave it up WTF

>>60533014
autism or merely pretending, call it

>>60533127
Show us the video then retard

Day 3 is currently live. Better watch it while it's still up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aavRRJ8fLAg

>>60533950
It's already private. Fucking hell I was in the middle of watching it.

extreme privacy as you'd expect from monero

>>60533014
>>60534142

They intend to edit each presentation into its own video.

>>60534336
I know but they're going to take a while to do that so why not leave the full streams up until they're done?

>>60532457
>i didnt know zcash was still a thing

They fumbled the ball right out of the gate and never recovered. Been playing catch up ever since without much to show for it. And now that Monero is going full-ZK, they've lost what little tech advantage they had left, hence the pivot towards emphasizing compliance as a winning strategy. Dumb faggots cannot grasp that "regulated cypherpunk tech" is a contradiction in terms and has zero chance of ever being taken seriously.


So now they just make shit up to FUD Monero (addresses visible on-chain) and characterize XMR's dominance of darknet commerce as meaningless because criminals are low IQ.

>>60534417
>I know but they're going to take a while to do that so why not leave the full streams up until they're done?

Yeah, its retarded. I didn't even finish Day 1 before they 404'd it.

I didn't sell

>>60534658
buckle up bitch

>>60530131
>messaging
>marketing
>repositioning
>label
>strategic pivot

>marketing strategy

This has jack shit to do with the technology on the blockchain which remains unchanged by this Trojan horse paint job these meaningless talks do.

Tbh the more cuck-branded encrypted coins there are, the better on-ramping to Monero will be, thanks to them each serving as a plausible deniability stepping stone of clearnet chain -> encrypted chain -> monero.

Step aside, fellas, SuperMav is here to save Monero from all us delusional midwits and take things to the next level.

I have a problem with the ASIC resistance.
If there are less processors won't this just slow down the network?

>>60522424
Something fucked up, had to delete the folder and resync all over again. it's at 36% right now

>>60537312

https://docs.getmonero.org/interacting/monero-config-file/#syntax
https://docs.getmonero.org/interacting/monerod-reference/
read and use db-sync-mode=safe

>>60524443
Wow that's really shivering my timbers
Now do Bitcoin lmfao

>>60530401
He is also a nigger from Africa

>>60535936
Bitcoin has 200x the hashrate and yet they only have 6 transactions per second.

>>60530401
He is clearly baiting for your attention, as the 2nd tweet makes obvious.

You are practically showering him with Elonbux by engaging.

>>60538917
I wouldn't know who that is if it wasn't for outragefags in these threads.

>>60535881
lmao what a massive faggot
hey retard if you're reading this i'd like you to know that you talk and behave like a female
>oh no look at The Monero Community® how they are super mean to me !! me and MY community are the best we will revolutionize !
just shut the fuck up and do the work faggot
no one who is worth a cent care about this community drama
bunch of females, herons screaming at each other
do the work faggot
go do the super UI nice wallet or whatever it is that you want to do
fucking homosexual looking for validation

>>60539864
>go do the super UI nice wallet
Mymonero already exists.

>>60534440
>they've lost what little tech advantage they had left,

will have lost. In the future. When FCMP is actually implemented. Which is painfully far off atm.

They still have that moat and plenty of time to take advantage of how slow, careful, decentralized, barely funded development of XMR is. It's sinking to the level of retards if you gloat about a future roadmap goal as if it's a done deal.

>>60540382
>Which is painfully far off atm.

"painfully" lol everything is back on schedule, testnet soon.

The specifics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wak-CICRi9s&t=1636s

>>60540586
>irc
Is there like a matrix bridge at least

>>60477364 (OP)
Committing unspeakable crimes with my xmr waifu...
On the run with xmr waifu...

>>60540788

https://libera.monerologs.net/

https://monero.town/post/6260944
"Despite earlier setbacks, FCMP development is back on schedule, targeting a Q1 2026 deployment pending code compatibility checks led by MRL’s Justin Ehrenhofer."

>>60540788
>Is there like a matrix bridge at least
Yes there is, you would kbow if you actually cared to look for it for 2 mins: https://www.getmonero.org/community/hangouts/

>>60477364 (OP)
someone posted the most known/popular m@rk3ts where i can utilize monero, can someone repost it please?

there was also this site gate34 or some shit that showed all the markets

>>60541234
Trust the chan.

>>60477364 (OP)
Monero is nice actually :)
There is a few monero services available for purchase with monero

Happy 1st birthday to XmrBazaar! And damn you guys for being so good ya put MoneroMarket out of business!

Reminder that selling goods & services is the most based way of acquiring XMR.

>>60477391
>>60477364 (OP)
WARNING: DO NOT USE the following services:
- orangefren uses cloudflare as DNS
- cyphergoat uses cloudflare as DNS
- intercambio uses cloudflare as DNS
- majesticbank uses ddos-guard as DNS

These providers use a centralized, highly monitored DNS system. These companies certainly leak all routed data to three letter agencies, such as FBI, CIA or in the case of ddos-guard to their Russian counterparts. These is no sense in trying to do some anonymous swap just to send all data routed through a third party service, a.k.a., the FBI. You might think all your data is hidden, but all your data might be leaking and these morons don't even have a clue.

>>60544312
There's nothing cloudflare can tell glowies that your ISP can't, and anything they can tell them should be obfuscated by tor

>>60499511
I want to be a slave of Monero-sama.

>>60534658
I did

>>60530131
GPT wrote that

>>60526690
more like three levels removed from the actual groomers who still don't even manage to get the grooming right

>>60527184
it's called alcohol

>>60546614
kill this impostor with fire

>>60535881
Mavrick is such an obvious fed.

Feather or official wallet?

I gotta get some xmr off an exchange. Do i convert to BTC first or withdraw as is? I'm just gonna sit on it for a long time

>>60548750
Withdraw XMR while you still can.

>>60548780
care to elaborate?

Why is he still shilling for btc in current year?

Is based Luke Smith the only "influencer" who got it right with btc being part of the control system? Watching some internet personalities who get a lot of things right but they just believe btc is going to le overtake the world with btc holders being the new feudal elite in the NWO.

Don't spend, hodl for 10 years and you'll buy everything you want. They won't stop you bro.

>>60548782
Exchanges tend to suddenly halt withdrawals of xmr. For example, Binance was a frequent offender of halting withdrawals for months at a time before they delisted it

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