My sociology professor said no, but idk

yes. 100%

>>60493330 (OP)

specifically housing and auto? yes and no, thats very complicated and it depends on the region and population density as well. the far bigger impact they have is on jobs and wages, which also indirectly affect housing and auto. your professor isn't technically wrong in saying just "no" but that really isn't saying anything of value, he would also be just as right to say just "yes"

good idea going to college for sociology.
you'll have a long, prosperous career of 2 - 7 years before AI does that instead of you.
you might be better off throwing bricks at peoples' windshields and chopping your own genitals off

>>60493344
>saying no is wrong
>says yes and no
Well, thank you for that very insightful and useful post, anon

>>60493330 (OP)
Do you think people with poor driving skills who commit a lot of hit and run offenses might cause insurance rates to go up?

>>60493330 (OP)
Just ask chatgpt in front of him and then call him a retard and that his fake field of study has 3 maybe 5 years, preferably in front of the rest of the class

use your brain, retard

>>60493330 (OP)
Your sociology prof is technically correct in the most useless academic way possible. Here's the reality: when you suddenly add hundreds of thousands of new people to a city who all need roofs and wheels yesterday, prices go up. Basic supply and demand: same reason why rare Pepe NFTs or obscure crypto like Goat on Avax pump when they get sudden attention.

But the real issue is who benefits:

>Landlords jack up rents
>Used car dealers markup beaters
>Corporations love the cheap labor
Meanwhile wages stay flat

So yeah, your prof isn't wrong, they're just answering the wrong question. The better question is why we're pretending this is sustainable while working class folks get priced out of their own neighborhoods. But hey, at least you can escape into Rock and Goatscors when the economy collapses.

>>60493330 (OP)
Yeah obviously

Anyone who has lived in the real world can tell you that. Only an insulated retard would think otherwise

>>60493330 (OP)
If they're poor, how could they?

>>60493330 (OP)
Migrants contribute to existing housing problems but they are not the main cause nor do they particularly contribute any more than natural born citizens or long-term foreign born residents.
It's more accurate to blame housing developers for not meeting housing demands for decades, most governments for ignoring investments into public housing, speculators seating on their asses because selling their property for a couple million is their retirement fund, zoning laws, HOAs, retarded building codes, councils vetoing new developments, improperly drafted laws preventing urban sprawl, cars NEEDING to have all the fancy electronics with none of the reliability, emigrants leaving properties abandoned but technically still owned, etc.
Portugal's Golden Visa program used to allows migrants to gain residency by buying a property worth 500K. However there's only been 20K Golden Visas ever issued and buying property isn't the only way (nor the cheapest way) to gain residency. The impact these 20K people had since 2017 is much lower than you'd think compared to the other thousands that immigrate to Portugal every year or the 90% natural born population. Despite this a lot of people blame the Golden Visas and migrants despite the fact that the country has had housing shortages for decades precisely because neither the government nor private contractors have been keeping up with demand. The country was especially hit by the 2008 financial crisis and during the recovery years barely anything got built. Countries like Austria or the Netherlands have 25% to 29% of all housing being public, meanwhile Portugal has only 2%. There's also a huge problem with emigrants leaving properties behind since the 1980s, thus there's a ton of rundown housing available in desirable areas which is not being used for anything in most cities. The systemic problems that Portugal has are not due to immigrants; citizens have voted/governed for homelessness for years while incentivizing migration.

he is just a "sociology professor", he doesnt know very much in general. knowledge wise andybody can be "the epic sociology professor" as long as he can count to 10 and has resonable good talking skills. sociology is mostly just a meme degree and meme work. these people walk around and pretending their thoughts about various general topics that 90% of everbody else has too, but without studying "sociology", are the real shit and are something special, that only someone who "studied" "sociologt because smart poeple dont study "sociology".
another classic with these people is that they only consider a single factor and leave out 20 others, either because they dont understand that many factors are involved or they leave out the factors intentionally which would lead to a correct result but would crush the predefined goals of their "study"
this applies to other meme degress like philosophy too. why would you respect someone who contributes nothing but having some very generic, often lame, often wrong observations, that most other people do too betwen lunch and going to the supermarket to buy cleaning utensils.

>>60493349
It's like the question is too broad for a simple yes/no answer or something

>>60494299
It's not, you're just a fence sitting coward who's afraid to take a side

One is objectively more correct and you'd do yourself a favor not to cop out with some both sides bs

>>60493330 (OP)
They don’t, retard. They’re lower working class. It’s the rich driving up the cost, and paying cash. You want to buy that house? Rich douchebag just outbid you by 20k and paid cash. That’s not Pedro and his 15 friends reroofing someone’s house, retard. Migrants are deflationary.

>>60493330 (OP)
Housing costs, unarguably 100% yes. Housing costs are about as straightforward a supply/demand relationship as you can get. More people = more demand, and housing supply is relatively inelastic, so the only way for that to manifest itself is in higher prices. If you live in a place where building new houses is easy then over time supply will catch up to the added demand, but in a lot of places that simply won't be the case. Worth pointing out, as well, that the demand is more about the money than the people themselves, so there are lots of other things that can increase it as well, like credit availability and wage growth.

>>60494342
But they’re also the workers building the houses to increase supply

>>60493330 (OP)
>housing
Yes. If population growth outpaces supply, then you have inflation. This is true regardless if you mean migrants from other states or other countries, but it is especially acute in the case of illegal migrants. Their housing is often subsidized, if not completely paid for by government. You are in essence competing against the state to rent.
In a free market, more housing would be created to meet demand. Ironically, states and cities most accommodating of illegal migrants seem more likely to have onerous regulations that prevent building.
>automobile
The direct effect on price is smaller relative to housing because the supply of cars is easier to scale. The real problems are secondary, like higher insurance rates (migrants tend to be younger) and more competition for loans.

>>60494369
Yea but that depresses wages

>>60494112
>do immigrants raise housing prices?
>yes technically but what about the corporations? Let’s attack them instead
Leftists are insufferable

>>60493344
>Do they buy the limited lowest priced product in your area?
>Yes every time
>Does this end up feeling competitive?
>Yes every time
The professor IS technically wrong.

>>60494459
>billionaires love us if we cuck and simp to them hard enough

lol, ramesh. Now get back on the Boeing plane.

>>60493330 (OP)
lump of land fallacy. land will expand with every immigrant and create new housing for everyone. only chuds think otherwise.

>>60494459
You're peeing yourself over one point in a paragraph when most of my post is about the government.

>>60493330 (OP)
Only if you live in a welfare state that offers them the purchasing power to drive up demand while not requiring of them the work and production to drive up supply

>does increased demand impact the price

you can't be serious. your prof is an idiot, but we could have already gathered that by the fact he couldn't cut it in a real job and had to take government welfare to spread propaganda.

>>60494323
>150k houses available
>150k citizens want to buy a house
>150k more illegals enter the nation off the books and compete for those houses too

What happens to the house prices?

>prices determined by supply and demand
>demand increases but supply doesn't increase proportionally, prices go up
>throw millions of nigger monkey third worlders into countries that aren't building millions of new homes for them
If your sociology professor really can't figure out what happens next, he should just kill himself. This isn't really a problem in the auto market, those are going up almost purely because of idiotic business practices

>>60495147
The used care market in the US has been taken over by retarded car flippers (mostly Latinx) buying everything they can get their hands on and selling it for a couple thousand more jacking up prices.

>>60494494
explain how i "cucked and simped" to billionaires
any attempt to use the government as a cudgel against the "1%" always comes don on the heads of the middle class

>>60495253
You don’t get it Nazi. Billionaires HATE open borders and infusing the market with low cost labor to undercut the working class.

>>60495187
Not really relevant to my post and whenever someone tries that in my area either the price comes down or the listing stays up forever but ok

>>60495263
Ok

>>60493330 (OP)
Your professor is a retard. More people = higher demand/supply ratio = higher home prices. But for auto it's slighlty different. It's more about driving up insurance premiums.

>>60494369
They don't scale proportionally.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of seeing every half acre plot of land bulldozed to build a $400k home for a five foot tall fat goblina and her 6 kids.

>>60493330 (OP)
School is for fools.

>>60493330 (OP)
If you have a supply of 10 houses and demand of 50 people looking to buy houses, then the state allows 150 additional unhoused people in the country, the demand is now 20x higher than the supply, so the price rises to reach equillibrium with the demand.

>>60495499
Yes

>>60493344
immigrants are literally a net positive to the US
>pay sales tax, can't get income taxes, all of their income goes into the economy
The reason both sides allow immigration is BECAUSE it's a boom for us.

>>60497999
Quit using “immigrants” as a stand in for “ILLEGAL immigrants”.

It’s the slimiest tactic you people use. If you want illegals here, just be honest about your intentions you fucking coward.

>>60497999
>Paco sends 20% of his off-the-book income back to Mexico.

>>60493330 (OP)
What is the average price of a home in a city that has 10 people living in it and 10 houses. 1 dollar since everyone has a house
now what if there are still 10 houses but 30 people living in that city?

>>60498016
>>60498061
even illegal immigrants commit lower crimes and pay more into taxes than citizens..

If you have two similar countries, same population, same gdp, etc. with no trade between them, but then they sign a free trade agreement, you've now doubled the demand for every good so every good will rocket up in price.

>>60498164
>ESL post

Ok Julio, I’m sure. You still have to get the fuck out of my country.

>>60498164
quit parroting reddit propaganda you faggot

>importing people surprisingly increase the demand for automobiles and housing and as a consequence the prices themselves
Color me fucking shocked, who would have known?

>>60498164
lying is a sin, Anon.

>>60493330 (OP)
If migrants LOWERED housing prices real-estate developers/land owners would pay for machine guns and a mote with alligators at the border.....

>>60493330 (OP)
Yes, because there is more demand.

BUT

It's also true that regulating housing and bad urban planning cuts out a lot of potential, otherwise i would take any property, build a palace with <20 square meters apartments each, charge low prices to attract people (forcing other landlords to compete as well) and call it a day.
>but that would be inhuman
Inhuman is letting people live on the streets or pay an entire month salary for a roof.

>>60499162
**moat**

In reality one of the big played in White Genocide are land owners.
The companies that fund the conversative party in the UK pushed high immigration during their term.

>>60495100
go down by 150k

>>60498164
>and pay more into taxes than citizens..
No they don't.

Pretty obviously yes. They represent additional consumer demand, which is even subsidized by the state itself sometimes. They're also willing to undercut local standards which create additionally inflated markets.

>refusing to get insurance driving up insurance costs for everyone else
>living 10 people to a house driving up the price of larger houses in some areas

>>60499788
Or illegally rent houses not up to code reducing the number of legal rentals as landlords don't fix them driving up the prices on those that do.

>>60493330 (OP)
there really is no right or wrong answer here. But there's one thing I've come to the conclusion on. It's that you're fucking retarded for believing what a sociology professor would know about economics. He's probably a faggot that also unironically uses the phrase vibecession.

>>60493330 (OP)
No anon, immigrants in fact don't live in houses or drive cars they live in tiny magic mushrooms in the forest and teleport to their mcjob every morning

>>60498164
Retard, they are literally breaking the law just by existing here. There are ILLEGAL

>>60499807
Civil violation, not criminal. Not a crime.

>>60499914

Actually an invasion, so, invaders, and subject to the natural and eternal punishment for it (whacked by the locals)

>>60493330 (OP)
Yes

>>60498164
>illegal immigrants commit lower crimes and pay more into taxes than citizens..

100% of illegal immigrants commit crimes and pay less taxes

>>60497999
>immigrants are literally a net positive to the US
the problem is you are conflating some 10th generation phd educated indian engineers with an uneducated Honduran couple who got married at 17 years old then comes here & pops out 4 little Edgars and sends all their money back home to grandma and cousins and one generation later they're just fat uneducated burgers like the rest of us

>>60493330 (OP)
>sociology professor
of course he did, sociology is left-wing science
now ask your economics professor.
the truth is somewhere in the middle

>>60493330 (OP)
no but they drive down your wages and remove economic pressures that would force private enterprises to innovate

housing and transportation costs are rising because your wage is stagnant

this applies only to first world countries, authoritarian shitholes have leaders who do not care if their slaves are white or black as long as they get to stay in power

>>60498164
Even if they committed any crime at all that is excess crime in society that would not have been present.

>do immigrants compete with native sons and daughters
of course they do, it drives costs up, wages down, they use up resources and send money earned outside of our borders. its a net negative unless you own a corporate farm or eatery where you can pay them less than everyone else

>>60497999
>immigrants are a net positive
you are a god damned liar

if you want real estate and home prices to drop, just make it illegal for foreigners to own land. youd be amazed at the number of chinese, german, and other foreign holding companies that exist simply to drive up rent in aggregate

if there was a sense of community in this country locals would actively seek out what is foreign owned and shun the property or set fire to them :)

>>60493330 (OP)
Yes, US migrants drive prices up when they go live in a third world country

>>60494369
Nigger are you retarded?? You wouldn’t have to build all those houses in the first place if there weren’t so many spics in here illegally. Fucking retard.

did mr rabinowitz inform you that it's actually racism that causes the high prices?

>>60493330 (OP)
Apparently he doesn't nderstand basic supply and demand