I've been an investor for over 30 years, and I've seen this pattern before—like when Amazon was down 96% in the early 2000s. The fundamentals were there, but the price didn't reflect it.

I'm not even a fan of crypto, because 99% of it is just empty promises. But ICP is actually delivering—with innovations like Chain Fusion and Caffeine AI.

I see some of these other blockchains like Kaspa(CRAPspa) flexing that they’ll soon have smart contracts. Sorry, but ICP has had that for four years now.

The fundamentals are there. The tech is there. HBAR even partnered with ICP because they realized there's no point in reinventing the wheel—they’re leveraging ICP's technology instead.

So why is the price still low? Simple: most of crypto runs on hype and advertising targeted at naive investors. ICP doesn’t need that. Banks are already showing serious interest in Utopia on ICP because of its fully on-chain cybersecurity capabilities.

You’re free to invest in whatever project you want, but pointing to the 2021 crash—clearly manipulated by futures, FTX, and SBF—as some sort of "gotcha" is ridiculous. That’s not how you evaluate a solid project. You look at the fundamentals, and when you do, it’s obvious: nothing in the blockchain space even comes close to what ICP is doing.

Waiting for ICP haters to respond.

>>60529788 (OP)
I have a small bag of them, but I'm skeptical about the token's ability to capture ICP value. I feel like we're going to get screwed.

>>60529806
People will eventually catch on. Crypto right now is like the wild west where shit is celebrated, and good projects overlooked because they're not deemed cool or some superficial thing like price. Fundamentals will win because ICP doesn't have competitors in this space.

>—

>>60529788 (OP)
Thinking on inputting some money in this, would around 200 to 500 tokens be good to make it?

>t. europoor

I don't hold any ICP or plan to buy any soon. But after I played with their demo dapps on https://icp.ninja I am genuinely impressed with the work being put into this project. Real recognize real, good work gentlemen. I wish you all the best

I don't understand why people keep complaining about my pee bottles, maybe they aren't icy enough. You guys sure seem to love talking icy cold piss, here's a picture one of the local government officials making a complaint, can't believe his attitude

One day for sure saar
Meanwhile there are tons of shitcoins in solana makin X10 every month

>>60529788 (OP)
>Kaspa(CRAPspa)
ICP cant meme, it's kyspa.

>>60529788 (OP)
ICP was great for shorting the shit out of it. I think you could even get away with shorting 100x and 1000x on specific exchanges if you timed it right.

>>60529950
> Meanwhile there are tons of shitcoins in solana makin X10 every month

That’s all speculation and casino gambling, it has no utility. I doubt that you out of all people know perfectly when to 100x on those memes. Right, I am the Indian for promoting serious tech and you’re giving people false hope with memecoins; you’re the Indian fuck you.

>>60530052
So serious that no one Will use it and Amazon nvidia or any tech giant can do whatever u Believe this trash does but 100x better .. What if the chinese release a better caffeine? Now what ice pee holder, u are here to make Money NOT to jerk off to some useless tech

>>60530080
>So serious that no one Will use
Say that to HBAR you fucking retard. HBAR is building on ICP. One of canisters on DeepSeek were built on ICP. Odin.fun was built on ICP. Fucking retarded shit

>>60530109
Yeah nice pump and dump layer 1 for ppl late to bitcoin. Believe in the mass adoption saar the investors are bananas

>>60530109
Attaching to something sucessful in order to grift. There's 0 reasons to run a descentralized LLM except to pump ice pee.

>>60530129
>saar
You're more likely to be a poojeet because you promote memecoins.

give me a qrd on what icp actually does

>>60530268
Better question is, can you name me one thing other crypto can do that ICP blockchain and tech can't?

>>60530282
no i cant because i know nothing about icp

Motoko nfts, motoko tokens, sns-1 tokens - any of this worth holding?

>>60529788 (OP)
ICP is also leveraging Hedera's technology. They have the compute abilities, but they don't have the speed or scalability to process high volumes. It's a good partnership for both parties, as they can focus on what their particular models do best. Collaboration is the key to success. I think both should do well in the coming years.

>>60530389
this is literally retarded, ICP is the fastest blockchain most blocks per second, ICP doesn't need hedera, ICP is faster and far more scalable and fully on chain. Please don't spread disinformation.

>>60530389
I will apologize right away if you can provide me with a source. It's highly unlikely that ICP needs HBAR for scalability.

>>60530419
this is why nobody takes this shitcoin seriously, cultists like yourself are a mirror of Dominic

also price

>>60530446
Oh so it's ICP's fault that it's better than everything else? In this game there will be only few winners, and people picking their alts right now like some teams isn't going to work for much longer. Tech wins in the end.

>>60529788 (OP)
Innovations in crypto don't matter, because crypto as a whole doesn't matter. It is just memes and the holy BTC, the last bastion of the crypto promise that got too big to fail and become a store of value like gold, which big money hedges in.

This shit won't be adopted because the name is absolutely retarded

>>60529788 (OP)
>like when Amazon was down 96% in the early 2000s. The fundamentals were there, but the price didn't reflect it
Amazon sold books back then.

>>60530493
you could not be any more of a cocksucker (metaphorically and literally) if you tried

If ICP does a 100x I will literally give a thousand bucks to everyone in this thread

>>60530268
Be the baddest fucking juggalo coin

>>60530419
>>60530429
Not that anon but the main difference between ICP and HBAR (or ETH for that matter) is the reverse gas model. The tradeoff there is that ICP canisters are not immutable like ETH-style smartcontracts are, i.e. on ETH or HBAR your smartcontract code persists forever and it costs gas to interact with it, whereas on ICP canisters need to be continuously fed with cycles or else they expire and the data is freed up. At least this is my understanding. If this is the case, then ICP and HBAR/ETH have completely different usecases. I think immutability is very important in DeFi because you wouldn't want the contract you deposited funds in to disappear and rugpull you, so for anything financial I think HBAR or ETH is better. However not everything needs this immutability, so ICP is superior for literally everything else. This is why this potential partnership with HBAR (and also ETH interoperability) is so bullish, because it shows the ecosystem is maturing in a logical direction where complementary systems are cooperating and integrating rather than trying to fruitlessly compete with each other.

>>60530268
Promises so much crap does nothing and won"t solve you me and the bagholders being poor.Maybe in 20 years when they finaly hit the next trending meme tech op will stop being qa bagholder who bough at 300

>>60530671
>does nothing
dishonest

>>60530634
Just fact checked myself and everything I've written here is accurate except ICP doesn't autodelete expired canister. Instead they remain but are bricked unless the canister controller recharges it with cycles. This doesn't change my conclusion though. Immutable ledgers like HBAR or ETH would be better for DeFi than ICP, but ICP is better for probably everything else due to its flexibility.

>>60529788 (OP)
They fucked up so bad this bullrun. They were handed a silver platter in December 2023 from the Chinese stress test and fucked it up so bad. They weren't able to sustain their pump and bled the eco dry by not supporting organic eco projects and instead supported obvious scam SNSs like Hot or Not. How much money that was given to these scams and instead given to the community and also help aiding projects getting listed on cexes would have helped this eco so much. Then they were given second chance with bob and completely fucked that up as well. Too many snakes work at dfinity that have been stabbing and inhibiting the project so much. Also the fact the layer 2 tokens don't have the same standard as the icp token where they can't be listed on exchanges as easily is the stupidest fucking thing they could have ever done.

>>60530723
The only reason i see this meme coin going up is because the bagholders will shill this for free and the amazing tech meme will get the normies to pump this giga turd in the coming 2 years before trump press the escape button just in time before the SHEMITA

bro, your coin is a corporation hiding behind “decentralized nodes” that literally no one wants to run except for some retail idiots.

No VC unlocks, no jobless ceo waiting to dump on you. You say Crashpa?
Look at how slow the price correction, did you even compare the chart to ICP? Are you blind or just coping?

Kaspa is built by actual cypherpunks.
Hans Moog (from IOTA) joined after reading the code and straight-up praised it.
Aspect from Litecoin is in too. This isn’t your average vapor dev team. YS is also not your average blockchain researcher

It can run on a Raspberry Pi.
10bps without bloating the db because of pruning.
and many more to say the list

SUI, HBAR, ICP, same polished, overfunded, VC-backed illusion POS
Keep coping jerry banfield fangays

>>60529788 (OP)
Money laundering scheme ran by non-Swiss people in Switzerland.

>>60530817
Jewish cope post. Kyspa devs are getting blown to bits by Iranian ballistic missiles as we speak (and they deserve it).

>comparing shit company to behemoth company
Always the trick baggies try to pull

>>60529788 (OP)
>So why is the price still low? Simple: most of crypto runs on hype and advertising targeted at naive investors.

No it's because the team are a bunch of greedy mfers and they dump $20 mill of ICP every month for payroll. Also yah VC unlocks are done or whatever but how many VCs staked coins and are dumping millions of dollars each month in rewards too? ICP will never go up it's a whale coin and the whales basically got in for free. The price could literally hit cents and they would still be in massive profit.

Everything else about this shitcoin is irrelevant and no one cares about your gay ass tech and 20 year road map, the rest of crypto got stupid rich while we rode this shit down 99%

>>60529788 (OP)
I went ahead and read the whole thing and all I see is someone who starts off saying they aren’t a fan off crypto then cry and plead for his I see literal piss bags pumped. If I had a nickel for how many of these type threads I’ve read I’d be rich. Fuck icp and fuck your bags.

>>60530877
Congratulations you just explained the tokenomics of 95% of crypto. Whales always get in first, but a lot of those whales are heavily invested in the tech and sre not selling so ridiculously low. Also, fucking don’t lie, the crash was caused by futures, we got actual testimony from SBF and Solana investors who deliberately used futures to crash on launch.

>>60529788 (OP)
I just want to know what a suicide stack is so I can buy some. What will 1 ICP be in 1 year/3 years/5 years/10 years? It seems to be genuinely amazing technology.
Thank you for your time.

>>60531125
ICP 2k EOY OK?

>>60530268

Actual scalable and fast web 3.0 along w a full stack that is built on the blockchain and has the security of the immutable ledger behind it. Highest TPS out of any chain and the tech is about 12 years ahead of everything else, only issue is that some people believe it is too centralized and has unfavorable price action due to bad actors.

It’s always right in front of you and this will more than likely J curve, if it does not I’d write off crypto for good and we’ve just about squeezed out all the innovation we can (I’m sure memecoin pnds will still be a thing.

>>60531405
Well said, no point trusting crypto anymore if the best innovative blockchain and best tech loses to inferior shitcoins like eth and sol.
Majority of people don't understand utility in some of these good coins, they still see alt coins as memes.

>>60530419
Kek, ICP's Caffeine is leveraging Hedera's HTS and HCS services for the type of thing they are designed for and for which it make sense that ICP use them. If such tasks were better performed on ICP, do you not think the super smart guys there wouldn't just use their own services?
But, like most crypto guys, you bought the lines you were fed by founders about how its the fastest and the smartest and the cheapest and fires lasers from its eyes and is indestructible and would beat all the others in a fight.
Pathetic. You went immediately from "I've been an investor for over 30 years" mature guy to getting pissy on the internet because someone might have implied that the coin you're emotionally invested in might not be the very best at everything under the sun.
Embarrassing.

>>60531485
Fucking show proof then big guy. I told you that I can't find anything on ICP using Hedera tech. Just show a link, is that hard?

3c

>>60531485
Still waiting for that link fuckface.

>>60531510
>>60531549
kek baggie

>>60531553
You use the same terminology as these zoomer retards who got into crypto. You will never succeed if you don't think outside the box.

>>60531510
Not that anon but afaik it's a rumor and not officially confirmed. I don't know why you're so assblasted about it though, it's incredibly bullish if true.

>>60531584
I never said it's bad, I just hate when people present rumours they heard on Reddit.

Does any crypto have any real utility? I just care about $

>>60531701
Are you fucking retarded? Why even type something so stupid?

>>60531601
In multiple posts including the OP you plainly state HBAR is partnered or building on ICP yourself. But you're sperging about other people spreading this rumor. Are you schizo? I hold 4k pees and listen to moonman songs btw.

>>60531723
BTC has (somehow) store of value, but the rest all gets used for....what? They're all just speculation.

>>60531737
>sperging
Because maybe show evidence isntead of some Reddit post you saw online. I am legit curious if it's true or not but don't say that shit with conviction without proof.
>BTC has (somehow) store of value, but the rest all gets used for....what? They're all just speculation.
You can build applications and websites on ICP. How is that not value? It's trying to be a web provider like Google. Do research on chain fusion and Caffeine ai

>>60531738
Do you even know what utility means? Do you even know what ICP is doing?

>>60531738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_JleruySc&t=688s&ab_channel=DFINITY

>>60531762
It’s not a good investment though due to the rewards and payroll being dumped every month. The eco plays should be it but they bled the eco dry and now there’s nothing left. Every coin that pumped from a $100k range to $10mil+ all reverted back hard. The twitter presence is basically non existent now compared to what it was last fall. There were daily spaces and even a shitskin American idol. But you know who won in the long run is fucking solona. When Trump launched his meme coin on there I understood the writing is on the wall that icp will never succeed because they don’t have Us support. If there’s no us support it’s a dead vc bleeding project. The best vc was Adam who actually tried supporting the eco but everybody screwed him at dfinity. People begged him for hand outs and dfinity even begged him to invest into SNSs that were obvious scams like BoomDAO or even the soccer coin. And you know what happened every time the faggors bought boats, hookers, and blow.

>>60531798
Nice headcanon, solkike nigger.

>>60531798
Adam is that you?

>>60531805
Please tell me how this is headcannon. The state of icp baggies.

>>60531816
We get it bro you sold. So you're determined to bad mouth the project. What a sad existence!

>>60531798
Boom lol. Scams on Solana happen every day.
Fucking cope Adam.

>>60531841
I'm pro-ICP, but this stuff literally means nothing. "Oh, look, there are a lot of them!" But that says nothing about their quality, their motivation, and what they actually do. There could just as easily be 56k of them fucking each other on a farm. If what matters is the number of developers. Learn to think guys.

>>60531872
And then you realize that ICP's tech is clearly far beyond everyone elses' and you put two and two together. I know it's hard for brownoid niggers like you with 40 IQ but many of us don't have that problem.

>>60529793
not a blockchain
token irrelevant

>>60531899
You're the ghostwriter here. I have KPIs, I said it at the beginning of the message. I'm saying: releasing this infographic at all costs is pointless. It doesn't matter how valuable the project is. That's all. You've just proven that you're a huge jerk. And when I say jerk, I mean jerk. Jerk.

>>60531899
And then u realize that every tech outside ur crypto ponzi coin is 100 years beyond and without People moving money or ur shit coin the price Will be 4 forever

the problem is that crypto doesn’t give a shit about all that. Crypto is and always will be purely “let’s pump this coin because xD”

ICP will never do a 100x let alone a 10x because no one cares about the coin anymore. I hate to tell ya, cause I’d love my 1k in ICP to do some gains but after 2 years it’s practically +- 0 and i don’t expect it to ever do anything. But there’s no point in moving just 1000 anyways.

>>60531918
>>60531925
Cope nigger tongue my anus

>>60531918
>It doesn't matter how valuable the project is
the project is not valuable at all
it may seem to you like that because you don't understand how blockchain works

don't take my word for it
go ask gakonst on twitter what does he think about permissioned aws-competitors like dfinity
ask him if he thinks your "tech" is impressive

>>60531933
>Crypto is and always will be purely “let’s pump this coin because xD”
you have absolutely no fucking clue about anything in the crypto space
go ask chat gpt to explain to you (in toddler terms) why is ZK so important and how it supercharges rollups and crypto overall
I fucking dare you to educate yourself

>>60531955
Okay, and price and chart?

You believe this piece of garbage Will live for the 20 years roadmap after this giga dump. NO ONE WILL ADOPT THIS Tech like no one adopte Nfts. The same People Who run this crap Will hype crap fomo tech to short the shit out of it in 3 years and create a New token

There is quite a lot of active development on ICP projects on GitHub. Maybe not as much as Solana, but it's pretty close. OpenChat runs on ICP - https://oc.app

Check out some ICP repos:
https://github.com/topics/internet-computer?o=desc&s=updated

>>60531798
Basedlana trumps all chains with the memecoin meta, because thats where the money chose to be or whatever. No other chain had any longer activity in the last years. Not even eth. Only chance is that some old icp shitters get another run during full blown bull. Icp itself maybe still a worthy hold long term if you already have a bag or look for something new. It starts to get confusing though, because icp should move at least a little bit upwards with the current growth.

>>60532046
Do indians and niggerians see this and Believe is enough to put the price over 10 dollars. Quality over quantity

Ooooohhhaaaa

ICP thread!

We got caffeine AI and Swiss government adopting this shit. And ICP is getting eyed for smart city infrastructure in shitty third world countries like Cambodia and Indonesia

There's also a US military subnode or subnet exploring its capabilities

>>60532187
not relevant if the third world countries just use utopia in the end

>>60532183
As a utility token, it's important to consider "is this utility token being utilised" and by searching for github repos, the answer is clearly yes. Disregarding prices and charts, is this token/tech popular with developers? Yes it appears so. Maybe keep an eye on it if you are also a developer or tech person.

>>60530282
Buy drugs

Why did biz and plebbitors Never tried to rape the icp corpse like with luna

They had everything. A brainless army of normies and meme tech plus the lie of the token hitting 400 again

>>60532573
Never mind. Of course everyone sold the luna token . At this price the devs are still balls deep in the project

Goddam I hope all of u gather in 2029 to Cash the next big token corpse

ICP gongo up

>>60532331
By looking through github repos tagged with ICP, I found OpenChat which is an ICP dapp. It's a decentralised chat app with groups, video and voice chats. They have many thousands of crypto chatters! Probably nicer people than on this board.

https://oc.app/communities

Digging into github repos for crypto projects is how I find the good shit. Or as you kids say "alpha"

>>60532627
>>60532331
>>60532046
shoving random apps inside a permissioned server is meaningless
do you illiterates ever wonder why isn't tornado cash or a zerolink being operated inside your dogshit? it's because if there is a single TTP involved into the protocol, it's 100% compromised

you guys are in the wrong fucking space

>>60532627
mostly paid third world and the original 50 icp users, but in theory openchat is nice

>>60529788 (OP)
ICP LFG

Anyone who still invests in altcoins is a massive retard. Buy BTC and call it a day until something better appears. everyone already knows that altcoins are just pump and dumps. It is not 2014 anymore.

>>60529788 (OP)
it's bothersome that there's no way for a nerd with good hardware to secure the icp network. icp is basically distributed servers.

>>60535160
>icp is basically distributed servers
if dfinity was legitimately trying to compete with aws/ azure, it would be fine
but their grift is mainly to sell their token

>>60536365
as a reminder:
a native coin exists to make your byzantine fault tolerance possible without trust in a "head-node"
the existence of one completely undermines the need for a native coin distribution

>>60529950
buy the dip XD

>>60536365

>>60535160
UTOPIA seems like Badlands but for enterprise. if UTOPIA can connect to mainnet, then maybe eventually you can.

but if you really wanted to secure the network you'd just be a node provider.

Icp is going to go to 2k

The ICP team has a staff member named Bjorn Assmann

>>60531125

>>60536411
but that's not even it
you don't need it in the first place because you could have just used any other coin, currency or whatever the fuck you wanted
decentralized (end user can sync full node/ run light node) networks NEED to produce tokens to pay for byzantine faults/ game theory
it's not a convenience, it's a necessity

>>60529788 (OP)
>I am a retard and type like a redditor
hello

I've made about 17k swing trading it over the last couple of years but I haven't reentered because it seemed like the hype died down.

>>60529788 (OP)
>I've been an investor for over 30 years, and I've seen this pattern before—like when Amazon was down 96% in the early 2000s. The fundamentals were there, but the price didn't reflect it.
>
>I'm not even a fan of crypto, because 99% of it is just empty promises. But ICP is actually delivering—with innovations like Chain Fusion and Caffeine AI.
>
>I see some of these other blockchains like Kaspa(CRAPspa) flexing that they’ll soon have smart contracts. Sorry, but ICP has had that for four years now.
>
>The fundamentals are there. The tech is there. HBAR even partnered with ICP because they realized there's no point in reinventing the wheel—they’re leveraging ICP's technology instead.
>
>So why is the price still low? Simple: most of crypto runs on hype and advertising targeted at naive investors. ICP doesn’t need that. Banks are already showing serious interest in Utopia on ICP because of its fully on-chain cybersecurity capabilities.
>
>You’re free to invest in whatever project you want, but pointing to the 2021 crash—clearly manipulated by futures, FTX, and SBF—as some sort of "gotcha" is ridiculous. That’s not how you evaluate a solid project. You look at the fundamentals, and when you do, it’s obvious: nothing in the blockchain space even comes close to what ICP is doing.
using chatgpt to write your fucking threads now? you are scum plaguing this website. i pray to see the day pakistan finally nukes you fucking shitskins.