Thread 60537298

Why are traditional market stock bros like Martin think so little of Bitcoin?

Martin for example keeps going on about how Bitcoin doesn't generate any cash flow for investors so its worthless. Ive noticed all these tradfi guys are all obsessed with cash flow.

If you watch his streams when he's investigating a stock, his entire focus is on how much cash it holds and how much cash flow the business has.

Right now he's down millions on Quantum Computing stock shorts because the QC companies his shorting have very little cash flow, but the stocks are all pumping for past 6 months non-stop.

>>60537298 (OP)
compared to the securities market and derivatives the crypto market is really tiny

>>60537303
He isn't saying its worthless because its small

He's saying its worthless because Bitcoin doesn't provide cash flow to its investors.

>>60537308
bitcoin is not a security

>>60537321
No cash flow

>>60537321
>>60537327

>>60537298 (OP)
Cash flow is also what Warren Buffet is most interested in when making investments. I'm going to tell you straight
>Buffet and Shkreli are smarter than any crypto bro

>>60537337
But cash flowing asset cost a lot of money.

For example. My landlord owns 3 rental town homes on this 1 block that used to be 1 home.

He earns cash-flow from 3 rentals from this now. $650 for the front one, $620 for the 2nd one, and $550 for the 3rd town house at the back.

So his cashflow on 3 small town-houses on 1 block is $94,500 per year.

But how much money did he spent on buying the old home, knocking it down, and building 3 town homes on the block? Probably like $2.5 to $3.0 million dollars?

Sure he has cash-flow, but he would have spent & borrowed nearly $3 million dollars to earn that $94k cash flow, so Im sure most of it goes back into the mortgage he has on these 3 town homes.

But you actually need to have "made it" already to do this.....

>>60537298 (OP)
Because there are no real plays to make other than hodling like a moron, or literally committing fraud.
With stocks you can at least make calculated bets.

>>60537308
Tell you answer to OP since thats what he is asking. They like cash flow. BTC doesnt have it. Look at OPs first question. Tell him this answer: cash flow.

>>60537348
You can do the same by scaling down. Loans/margins are there for that. Thats what I did and im on my way of making it. Money is not real, no sense in working for it instead of making it work for you.

>>60537298 (OP)
It must generate a cash flow for its miners. And it was built to be mined, the rest is just ??????. The whole halving thing was made for the miners. I am not a cultist, but it is clearly a digital commodity and not a security. By design, for whatever reason.

>>60537298 (OP)
he likes bitcoin if you watch his treams.. Martin is cool and he's not wrong about the quantum companies being scams I guess reddit investors dont care or know whether they are scams

>>60537298 (OP)
simple answer is he's already rich, no need to be interested in it

>>60537298 (OP)
>listen to a retard with a net worth of less than 1k and has been investing in the stock market for the past 6 months
>or listen to the guy who has ran businesses, worked at hedge funds, trades in the millions and has been investing for the past 20 years

>>60537298 (OP)
>open Dexscreener
>zoom in on Integrity DAO 5-min chart
>candle shape looks like a middle finger
>take it personally
>sell, it pumps
>classic

>ITS entirely a memecoin.
WOW you own 500K BTC thats GREAT!!! Must mean you own 2.3% of the network and have immense influence over the Bitcoin protocol governance.
>no not really, miners, and Full nodes control bitcoin's future no purchase of bitcoin needed. Thank you for being liquidity. We know whats best.
What do you mean Miner nodes are the real shareholders of BTC!? Why is $2 Trillion in Bitcoin at the mercy of $9 Billion in Hardware (retail value, imagine factory)? Doesn't China make ALL the bitcoin mining hardware?
> Ser pls stop asking so many questions anything that isn't POW is a scam.

>>60540139
>1 Truth Nuke by this ID

>>60537298 (OP)
he doesn't understand how hard it is to create BFT without trusting someone
the fact that a currency exists without central authority/ coordination is nothing sort of a miracle
he dismisses it because it has become commonplace...
>"of course mining works, why wouldn't it?"

>>60537298 (OP)
>Right now he's down millions on Quantum Computing stock shorts
but that's a valid short on his part
the QCs don't do anything

>>60537308
>>60537327
funny
he talks about CASH FLOW, as something valuable to a company
but the best cash that exists is BTC and XMR
arguably ETH as well

retard moment I guess

>>60537298 (OP)
I hate listening to him because he FUDs everything and he’s probably right.

I don’t know how to be smart like him. I just fucking hate it

>>60537298 (OP)
>Why are traditional market stock bros like Martin think so little of Bitcoin?
Because they missed it and their egos can't handle it

>>60537298 (OP)
he's a dumb jailhouse nigger

>>60537298 (OP)
>>60537337
Buffett and Shkreli see bitcoin as a commodity. And they're afraid to invest in commodities because commodities don't pay dividends and therefore they're a bad long-term investment, and a worse one the longer you hold.

>>60540489
permabobos are a small step above midwits because they lack the midwit's inhibition. but they get rekt just the same during ultradelusion bull market phases

i thought he turned positive on bitcoin again

>>60537298 (OP)
He's down millions shorting quantum because quantum is an absolute meme

>>60537298 (OP)

Because traditional investors invest based on the value of the investment, and the way to determine value is by evaluating cash flows. Crypto will fall into commodities so it's another game, of predicting supply and demand, but there's little data since crypto is new. So you can't really attach any value to it because it has no cash flow and demand is unpredictable. So any traditional investor will avoid it entirely.

>>60540596
lol true

>>60537298 (OP)
I'll let you in on a secret: this cashflow shit is a gigantic meme if it isn't some gigantic company's stock.

All the best biotech investments are microcaps hemorrhaging cash in the pre-revenue stage doing R&D, and I've tipped Martens off to a few. You value those kinds of companies based off of future expected revenue from their intellectual property, discounted by the probability of intervention approval.

>>60539912
Which one is shkreli?

>>60541379
both

He's based his entire life on studying pharma and stocks. WHy on Earth would he switch to Bitcoin when he 100% knows how to generate a fortune with his methods in the Stock Market?

It's like studying how to work on Cars, but someone comes along and says "You can make more money as a Doctor". That's true, but the amount of time investment needed to switch professions would be exhausting at his age.

>>60537298 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKlE6N3pu4

>>60540196
I don't think you could understand or explain clearly what he was saying
kek
Full nodes are the central point

>>60540477
May be the best cash, but cash flow is a better property.
In other words, crypto isn't jewish enough for them.

>>60540562
>and a worse one the longer you hold.
Funniest shit considering BTC was the greatest buy and hold in the entire human history.

>>60540139
>Why is $2 Trillion in Bitcoin at the mercy of $9 Billion in Hardware
The very same can be said about the stock market.
How many cars Tesla sells to be worth $1T dollars?

>>60540477
Let me know when you can buy treasuries with BTC and XMR

>>60537298 (OP)
cash flow is really the only thing that matters. sometimes i wonder if the average person on biz has a 3 figure networth, counting the decimals.

>>60541495
It's also a question of who you want to compete with. If you're already one of the best in your field and can stay investing there, why would you switch to something else?

>>60541949
>buy treasuries
what are you, tether? Paolo is that you?

Psychopath facial features and expressions.

>>60544146
He looks sort of like the composite face of all three male composite faces of high dark triad traits.

I think the composite face of female narcissists is the hottest here and I guess that's really the problem, lol.

>>60544247
did they use both men and women? wtf is the point of this then

>>60537298 (OP)
Don't you realize how nice having the cash flow is?

>>60537298 (OP)
Because all REAL valuation of a business is based on how much money it makes or how much money it’s projected to make in the future. Everything else is just a crapshoot or trading on emotion.

And there are many people who believe it’s better to invest in productive assets instead of things like bitcoin and PM’s which just sit there and do nothing while you expect the value to increase from pure scarcity.

Because they believe they understand what drives stock valuations when they don’t. Bogle is the most telling example, his entire career was based on selling diversification and DCA, stripping the stock market of as much correlation to business success/failure as possible, such that you render the stock market into an economic unit, a poor man’s bitcoin. Yet he could not see that bitcoin was doing what he wanted far better than ETFs/mutual funds ever could.

>>60540562
This, plus you can usually borrow more to buy assets with a yield since there’s less risk for the lender

>>60537337
Cash flow is meaningless (in-the-limit) under debt fiat, as money stock must always increase or the fiat-financial system quickly becomes insolvent. Shit&Piss total returns since ‘71 is literally 95% monetary expansion, being an economic unit (or part of an economic unit such as the constituents of the indexes) with a large network of use dwarfs other factors in long term price action.

>>60540139
Dull. Miner’s don’t control the network, they can’t make unpopular changes without heeming themselves as the OG network fork will remain unless there’s overwhelming support for a change.

>>60544886
>how much money it’s projected to make in the future
Which is almost entirely a product of monetary expansion, not the business.

>>60540139
Does owning a lot of gold give you control over the mining industry?

>>60544247
im autistic, every single face here looks the same to me

>>60545610
Same for me, is this a sign of autism?

>>60537298 (OP)
There are better ways to send money than Bitcoin. Bitcoin will be obsolete once quantum computing is more ubiquitous

>>60545667
Unironically yes, about a third of 'tism cases have prosopagnosia as a symptom. The faces are similar-looking but non-identical.

>>60537298 (OP)
before he went to prison he said to buy bitcoin

>>60545757
Fug, now what?

>>60537321
Bitcoin is the next evolution of cash
Fed chair, Jerome Powell said yesterday; banks can now do crypto, that's the evolution of web3 banking happening right under your nose but you're too retarded to make a sense of it

>>60541935
Wrong. That's Nvidia.

>>60545016
Wrong, cashflow means even more then because it leverages your ability to borrow money. You can borrow literally hundreds of times larger amounts to collateralize cashflow assets over non-yielding ones. It’s why treasuries are a fuck all huge market even though a brainlet would suppose our economy should be based around consumer consumption and the commodity markets surrounding that. You transform physical consumption into digital consumption of debt.

>>60545878
>Fug, now what?
Maybe try reading...
>Effectiveness of N-acetylcysteine in autism spectrum disorders: A meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32900213/
protip: martens has some weird beef with this molecule that he never explains.

>>60537348
Different classes of people.

People that have multi generational wealth and their job is to make money off it for themselves while still preserving the bulk of it to pass down.
Then there's people who don't inherit shit, or they inherit a small amount when their parents pass away and they're already 60 years old themselves, and think the norm is everyone starts at zero.
Furthermore, near every wealthy person I know had some kind of inheritance or starter pile of a couple hundred thousand given to them at 18 to work with. They invest it and don't think much about it, then have a million dollars in their late 30's in addition to anything they've worked for.
The people only getting inheritance in their old age do nothing with it, or squander it to survive in retirement.

Because it's so faux pas to talk about money and finance, a huge chunk of the population are operating completely in the dark, while others pass on their knowledge and make sure the next generation is financially sound. Especially among millennials, since most boomers taught their children literally nothing, assuming public school was doing it for them.

>>60537298 (OP)
>Right now he's down millions on Quantum Computing stock shorts because the QC companies his shorting have very little cash flow, but the stocks are all pumping for past 6 months non-stop.
Given enough time his trades will be at a profit

>>60541935
past performance != future performance

history will not be kind to BTC

>>60547316
yup, i ruined a biz relationship by talking about stocks. the guy thinks i'm rich now, & he became a jerk

>>60547316
all my friends were setup like this in addition to a gf eventually being worth 250 million; i was not. i stumbled hard and it sucks.

>>60547343
>history will not be kind to BTC
here comes another armchair nostradamus lmao

>>60548102
I am indeed a prophet anon, I have forseen the future and every single cryptocurrency being traded will be irrelevant in 20 years. Buy index funds and gold.

>>60537298 (OP)
martin's too smart to ever, under any circumstances, admit to having bought bitcoin.

>>60540505
>Because they missed it and their egos can't handle it