>$20k a year is considered an excellent salary in yuropoor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

> There are europoors who invested their hard earned €2000 in link

>>60553899 (OP)
Fun fact: A European wagie costs as much as an American. The difference is taxes. They don't know, because most of the taxes go by different names, and are hidden from the wagies.

>>60553899 (OP)
Yeah we are fucked here do you guys have to remind me EVERY FUCKING DAY?

>muricans

>>60553899 (OP)
Excuse me saar how does five thousand a year sound?

>>60553899 (OP)
20k EUROwagie life
>live in 500 sq ft apartment
>work 6 hours a day, 10 minute commute
>get 30 days PTO a year
>"free" health insurance
50k MUTTwagie life
>live in 600 sq ft apartment
>work 8 hours a day, 45 minute commute
>get 10 days PTO a year
>$400/month insurance with $10k deductible

Dirt poor but they want to tell you about "free" healthcare lmao

>>60553997
one of my indian subordinate wagies rides a bus to work, but it's privately owned by the company. kind of like the 'google buses.' it sounds kind of comfy.

says the trailer trash country
fukk are you stupid

>be American
>make 100k per year
>50% of that is spent on the mortgage and student loan jew, rest on car payments
>If he gets ill he will pay the rest of its 50% on the medical jew
>currency devalues daily meaning i can buy more American stocks daily

I have extracted more wealth than colonial British have with stock options

>>60553998
My socialist health insurance was 1200 a month in Germany.

>get "free" healthcare
>never get sick
>it's only subsidizing boomers so they can live longer and so you can keep paying for them going on cruises
top kek LMAO

>>60554015
We are all severely vaccinated, so getting sick is guaranteed.

>>60554014
>deliberately opaque comment
is this your private health insurance monthly premium? or is this your monthly tax contribution, with the implication that you make a lot of money?

>>60554015
My wife has an autoimmune disease and needs medication all her life. One shot of these drugs costs 3k. I dont pay anything.

>>60554015
>he thinks this doesn't happen in america
hey retard, what do you think the 2.9% combined medicare payroll tax is?
in america you pay for boomer healthcare, and you get fleeced by private health insurance until you're old enough to apply for medicare.

>>60554015
this is me and its frustrating as someone who lives in germany. I have been taking care of my body for most of my life. I work out 5 days a week and eat as healthy as I can. I have had like 10 sick days in the last 10 years and my fucking "free" healthcare is getting more expensive each year.

>>60553998
Google average sq ft home for the US and any Europoor nation. Find a single one where it's not half the size.

>>60554019
Germany. We pay mandatory health insurance on income.
You can get private insurance instead for 50% of the max socialist insurance cost, but only if you never ever went to the doctor before for anything more than a cold.
If you told any doctor about back pain, or a bad mood, or that you had a strange feeling in your chest, you are banned from private insurance for life.
You can type in some numbers for the socialist insurance here:
https://www.tk.de/service/app/2004108/beitragsrechner/selbststaendigeErgebnis.app
5500 yuros self-employed income before tax gets you the max health tax of 1200 yuros per month.

>>60554027
>Pay 2.9% for a couple of boomers
>Medicare is shitty coverage
>Most providers don't take it or don't accept any new patients because they get jewed payouts for care

Dang wow how much of my paycheck for everyone to get shitty coverage??? Sign me up

>>60553899 (OP)
Yeah but I can go walking everywhere. Also no nigger problem. Also people is actually happy here.

>>60554043
>If you told any doctor about back pain, or a bad mood, or that you had a strange feeling in your chest, you are banned from private insurance for life.
yeah it was like that in america before obama banned pre-existing conditions as part of the affordable care act. kek.
>https://www.tk.de/service/app/2004108/beitragsrechner/selbststaendigeErgebnis.app
isn't this for self employed? i assume it's like muttistan, where employees have a very large portion of their premiums subsidized by the employer. even so, the premiums looks reasonable. does your socialist healthcare have jewish nonsense like deductibles, copays, coinsurance, and provider networks?

>>60554048
>a couple of boomers
66 million people and medicare spending is about 14% of the combined mandatory + discretionary federal budget.
>Medicare is shitty coverage
>Most providers don't take it or don't accept any new patients because they get jewed payouts for care
most retirees can't afford $500/month + copay/coinsurance/deductible scam in retirement, which is why they rely on 'free' medicare.

>>60554015
>>60554028
People who are young and people who look after themselves get sick and hurt too.

>>60554056
I used self employed so that it's easy to see the full tax. It seems wagies are tricked everywhere by splitting the tax before writing half of it on a wagie payroll document. Effectively, there aren't many additional costs. You probably would need an additional insurance that pays for single roomhospital stays, that's 50 yuros per month. Some have additional dental insurance. With all the emerging ultra expensive but effective treatments for diseases, I expect some new premium insurances to emerge.

>>60554056
Also note that this includes insurance for a basic elderly care home, but effectively, they only pay if you have nothing left.

>>60554090
>It seems wagies are tricked everywhere by splitting the tax before writing half of it on a wagie payroll document.
This pisses me off so much. People do it with health insurance premiums too. "I" pay $140 biweekly and "my company" pays like $450. Everyone acts like that $450 is charity from the company.

>>60554098
They also think inflation is not a tax. Or having to work several days a year just to do the taxes and not go to jail.

>>60553899 (OP)
Here it is. Now laugh at us yuropoors.
I know average sucks but its impossible to find median. (This information is impossible for murricans to decipher because the countries are not named)

>>60554098
also hilariously jewish how opting out of employer-provided health insurance will increase your pay by $140 biweekly and not $140 + $450 biweekly.

>>60554098
>>60554116
fun fact, if you have health insurance through your employer in muttistan and your employer is on a self insured (as opposed to fully insured) model, they can see ALL of your claims detail. what physician you went to, what the appointment was for, what medications or surgeries you were prescribed, etc.

if you use "too much" insurance they can and will take action against you. they could gimp the plan next year or they could just fire you for whatever reason they want.

>>60554111
That's pretax even

>>60554128
There is gross and net. Net is obviously after tax. it shows really well what a piece of shit robber baron nation germany is. They take everything from you. But its totally not tax because its not called tax™

>>60554111
>average
Hungrybros, you ok?

i could get by on about 40k a year tax free

>>60554179
> "I could get by on six figure income"
Well yeah

>>60554125
The employer is basically your mummy.

>>60554111
That's filed at the tax office, not real income. I knew a German billionaire investor who was on the government pension scheme because he had such little income. He also lived in a 1500 sqm* house in his trust fund's park.
And it's average. So it includes all the landlords and government contractors. And the bureaucrats.
Remove these and it gets interesting.


*that's considered huge in Europe

>>60554191
>*that's considered huge in Europe
What is 16k sq ft considered in America, a starter home?

>>60554205
It should be.

>>60553899 (OP)
>be me
>Eurochad
>make 2500 a month
>spend around 300 on utilities
>around 340 on food
>40 for gas
>profit ~1820
>own house at 28
Americucks can't stop losing

>>60554111
Why is eastern europe so fucking poor?

>>60554243
40 years of russian occupation

>>60554243
corruption and economical incompetence

>yurofags unironically defending yuropean tax system

>>60553899 (OP)
and for some reason leftists want America to be more like Europe, they would probably cry after paying so much taxes and being left with nothing

europeans don't need as high salaries because they actually live in functioning nation states. american salaries are higher to cope with living in a hellhole

>>60553899 (OP)
Maybe after taxes

Europe isnt one country, there are some 20k is good, and some it is certainly not

t. 70k barely middle class europoor

>>60553990
Wait, you really only make 20k? Wtf, I make 4 times that and I'm basically entry level.

And there are Europeans talking shit about the US all the time. Lol. Lmao.

>>60554358
Delusional detachment from reality. Too wealthy and priveledged to remember money is important.

>>60554508
Why do mutts dont have the brain capacity to acknowledge that salaries on some eastern european shithole arent 1:1 comparable to US salaries, the same as not all US salaries are comparable, youre poor with 100k in silicon valley but mega rich in some holler

See
>>60554111
For salary differences in europe, neither of them is starving in their respective location

>>60554238
>braging about 2500 a month

Dude, Im making 6k over here. You don't even belong on this board making that much. Lmfao.

>>60554525
Yeah, I'm aware it costs less to live there because it sucks there. That's not news to me. You get what you pay for wherever you are.

>>60554056
>does your socialist healthcare have jewish nonsense like deductibles, copays, coinsurance, and provider networks?

I'd pay double my current tax rate if it meant it kept me from not having to deal with all such bullshit.
Seems like 60 of the 120 awake hours in USA goes to working and commuting, and the other 60 goes to studying bureaucracy and filling out forms.

I don't think a single of the "yoropoor socialism" yelling meat bots have a clue how quality of life improves with abandoning bureaucracy. Not that it's a socialist thing, considering your tax system.

I get sick, I go to doctor. Doctor say take pill, I take pill, doctor say I stay hospital I stay hospital. I leave, I pay pre-set standard amount (~$50).
That's ALL bureaucracy I have to deal with when it comes to the health care portion of my life.

When I pay my taxes, I log onto goverment tax page, look at the pre-filled form, click accept and send, or add / remove stuff I don't think is correct, like deductables or other income sources, and click send. If I owe I get a bill on my internet bank a few months later, if I'm owed I get it payed to my internet bank a few months later.

You're not supposed to need a damn lawyer to pay your personal taxes, or waddle through a bible of ToS-pages and bureaucratic trickery to get health care - and end up needing a lawyer anyway since they succeeded to trick you, and the cancer in your right ball isn't covered because left ball cancer is only covered if diagnosed on odd dated Wednesdays and average day temperature is above 80F.

>>60553992
>i own debt

>be blue collar burger
>dont care about holidays since I make double time on them
>never go to the doctor since theyre useless outside of emergencies
>own 3 (bought for parents)cars and a house at 28; six figures in both investments and cash

yeah, I couldnt care less about yuros holidays.
Whats the point if youre functionally poor?

>>60557502
Its a question about quality of life. If you reduce it to income, the system in the USA is much better. But if quality of life =/= money, the european system is much better.

>>60553899 (OP)
no way wtf
okay i was gonna kms as a flip but im earing 2500/monthly working 10hrs weekdays at home (night shift)
i take everything home because i do tax evasion
lol get rekt first worlders

Help bros how do I tax evade in Europe?
Earning 60KE gross while living in Eastern Yurop and I'm angry I get cucked out of half of my paycheck cuz I gotta subsidize the pensioners and the NEETs.
Thought about opening a LLC and working through it for the same company as a consultant but this sounds like I'll get cucked by the tax office cuz I'm in "hidden employment".
In order to get a 100E monthly salary increase at this point I gotta have my yearly salary increased by 10K.
Not good for me, not good for the employer to increase it.

>>60557502
Honestly this sounds dystopian and at first I thought you're being sarcastic

>>60553899 (OP)
>that's will be 50k$ for your prostate colonoscopy

Do ameritards really have audacidy to critize our quality of life? Good luck in your third world with niggers.

Yuropoor here. I make 35k in my current role, but it's very flexible. Work from home as much as I like and it's pretty easy going, very nice team too. I like it here, just money is bad.

I got a 70k offer from Citi, but I feel like they are going to work me to the bone. And job security probably lower. 3 Days in office too.

What do. I can try negotiate with current employer maybe but max I could get is like 50-55k I reckon.

>>60553899 (OP)
>>$20k a year is considered an excellent salary in yuropoor
you can live off that easily in europe. that's the difference. 20k a year is enough to live decently with a small appartment rent.

>>60554023
how do you cope with a sick wife? ifeel i want to leave and impregnate a healthy specimen.

>>60557727
Retard.

>>60557524
How do I make this kinda money from home. I could do it on top of my current job since I do absolutely nothing most of the time.

>>60557534
get monero. that's always the first step.

>>60557727
Its nothing debilitating. She just gets massive sciatica pains from spinal inflammation. She is still skinny with big tits.

>>60557730
im a retard cause I don't want to be stuck with a sick girl? i wanna make healthy babies and have a nice life dude.

>>60556443
>I'd pay double my current tax rate if it meant it kept me from not having to deal with all such bullshit.

blogpost time: for the first time in like a decade i had to see a doctor yesterday. my big jewish health insurer employer is forcing us to do 1 preventative care visit a year or they will charge us a $600 penalty. i work for a major insurer and i have 'good' insurance so finding an in-network primary care physician should be easy, right? the closest in-person appointment was 9 months out and the PCP visit had to be done by 8/31/25 or i get the bad goy $600 penalty, so i coped with an online virtual visit.

it went well and the 'doctor' suggested lipid and blood glucose panels. i say 'doctor' because it was my choice of african black woman MD, vietnamese MD, portuguese/brazilian MD, or one of 2 or 3 white woman NPs. i chose the white woman NP. she was kind of cute.

anyways, she said the lipid/glucose panels would be free or cheap. i wanted to confirm it myself. it took me 30 fucking minutes of crawling through the website to actually figure this out. i had to map the labcorp order codes to a CPT code, and then find the price database on my insurer's website and do a lookup by CPT code. it was still somewhat ambiguous, it will either be $14 total or it will be totally free depending on whether or not they consider it 'medically necessary' in connection with my annual preventative primary care visit.

>>60554056
>>60556443

>>60553899 (OP)
>$20k a year is considered an excellent salary in yuropoor
The fuck part of Europe did you pull that number from? A Moldovan village?

>>60553899 (OP)
My starter wage is 35k netto € p. a..

>>60554015
>have to pay full price towards something you will never actually have the necessity towards using
>disease prevention can literally be learned by not making the incorrect health choices and it is completely free
>''b-b-but what if I got some unheard of disease that only affects the 3% percentile of everyone in the entire world? I-I-It's better to be safe than sorry''
Socialists will defend this while paying 40% of their total income towards a system that only maybe is worth it once you reach 70 years of age.