Thread 60556015

Why do blue collar people think their job is safe? I hear this a lot in online discussions. When ai replaces white collar along with robots replacing some blue collar work, there will be an oversupply of blue collar laborers.

>>60556015 (OP)
they're low IQ and think that illegals, h1bs, or minimum wage retards can't do their job.
>OKAY MAYBE THEY CAN BUT.... THE QUALITY IS GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE!!!!
literally doesn't matter. just look at jeets doing software development, accounting, customer service, etc., where the work product is objectively inferior in all possible regards.

>>60556019
Yeah, I hear about what was posted in op a lot. Oh no, my job is safe.
>i am a pilot for wild fires
>i am a teacher for grade school.
>i landscape

>>60556015 (OP)
I work in a factory and they won't be although the pain won't be directly felt. We plan to buy automation and equipment that will mean that we don't need five tradesmen to do a task, 1-2 (really just 1 but need some redundancy for vacations, etc) will be enough with the equipment upgrades and the rest will be shuffled around as other equipment gets phased out and replaced. If you want a a case example look at how far automation has come, the US's largest steel mill is in Gary, IN. It has increased production since the 1970s from 6.8M tons of steel to 8.2M tons while reducing the staff in the same time frame from 30,000 to around 2,200. This is before AI has even really even entered the picture. What I am trying to show here is that it isn't just outsourcing that has taken away blue collar trade jobs like steel workers, a massive amount of the job loss has been due to automation and computers newly introduced in the workplace starting in the 1990s and 2000s. Assuming manufacturing comes back to the USA from the USA (a good bit of it won't be due to environmental regs and ore availability), blue collar job union job gains will be as small as they can sustain.

My job as a commercial hvac tech is safe, and will continue to be safe for as long as I’m alive. The industry will continue to require competent people to service this type of equipment, and the pay/benefits are great. AI can’t do shit to change that

>>60556069
I will do that job for less. NO matter the money, I will do it for less to survive.

>>60556046
> although the pain won't be directly felt.
You literally said the amount of workers went from 30,000 to 2,200.

>>60556069
Loads of brown people do that job, along with immigrants from each racial group.

>>60556069
Even before superhuman robots are in every household and company and do everything at world class level for next to nothing next decade, AI can boss around unqualified morons for bread & pod, making them tools of a perfect intelligence.
Captcha: KNPAD

>>60556015 (OP)
Because despite heavy automation, my blue collar job has never been replaced.
If anything the more automation they add, the easier my job becomes.
Instead of having to mess around with an overhead crane.
I can just tell the crane to move to a specific point at a specific time.
No one's job got replaced.
Just instead of messing around with a crane, I can go work for on something else for 5 minutes.

People seem to vastly misunderstand automation and how it works.
Now white collar jobs are another thing.
If your whole job involves filling out an Excel spreadsheet AI can do your entire job without any issues.
That's what we call not real jobs.

>>60556116
You will soon get a headset that tells you what to do.
Then they will replace you with an unqualified minimum wage worker.

>>60556015 (OP)
because their minds are controlled

>>60556139
Nope, drug tests.
All the browns can't pass.
Anyways, The automation of this job came in 15 years ago and so far it hasn't cost a single job.
Because y'all misunderstand what automation is and how it functions

I can just fix the robots

Checkmate nerds

>>60556317
Replacing the batteries in your wifes black dildo or xbox controller isnt “fixing” anything.

>>60556116
robots can definitely do this. or a chinese person for lower wages.

>>60556081
This. Every industry is getting flooded with excess labor. It is shit to be working class atm.

>>60556374
>that pic
I would go fucking nuts not being able to stretch my legs without getting all the way out of that sadistic torture chamber.

>>60556507
its only for an hour

>>60556083
>You literally said the amount of workers went from 30,000 to 2,200.
Nobody gets fired, so the pain is direct just a loss of opportunity. Those are losses mostly of attrition from resignation and retirement who are never replaced after they leave and i suspect that's not just going to affect blue collar workers but also white collar.

>>60556022
>i am a teacher for grade school

Admittedly with public schools you'll basically have the sway of unions forcing districts to keep teacher's employed

The reason the robots are humanoid is because they are meant to replace human workers

>>60556087
In order to get a license to do HVAC work worth a damn, you need to do an open book test and a non open book monitored test that both take a few weeks studying. The only darkies doing it and the apprenticeship afterwords are South East Asian or the sort of black that doesn't like rap.

>>60556015 (OP)
denial, a lot of the people who do blue collar work went above and beyond to make sure they never do real labor, my own brother basically didn't have a job until he was 26 so he could do basic office autocad work, he's a LOT dumber than me maybe like 89 IQ but I do physical labor because I wasn't so naive to think it's below me and had to deal with a lot more pressure to push through hardship instead of shying away from it and hoping i'd find something easy

>>60556015 (OP)
>there will be an oversupply of blue collar laborers.
no, there will be an oversupply of FAGGOTS who can't do shit. you seen a woman swing a hammer? or try to drill? they are fucking pathetic. little faggy wimpy men will also fail. if you believe anything in OP, start lifting now.

>>60556069
>>60556716

Both of you are hyping up a trade a literal trained monkey can do. HVAC, both residential and commercial, is a fucking brain-dead trade. Shit's not difficult, as the mechanical component of HVAC machines and systems haven't changed much in 30 years. The only thing that's new are the all of the electronic and smart monitoring components, that might be difficult to work with if you're a retarded boomer who rarely touches a computer. HVAC is so fucking easy that you can get retards who hangout at the Home Depot parking lot to do it.

>>60556511
Imagine your wife getting stretched out by Mandingo for one entire hour when you can only last 3 minutes. It's over for white guys

>>60556046

The decline of skilled blue collar work in the US was largely a product of poor economic policy. Yes, new technology did play a role in making positions redundant, but that was made exponentially worst by outsourcing the lower end of the supply chain to other countries. Had the US maintained a traditional protectionist trade model, the displaced skilled blue collar labor would have simply moved into roles and industries dedicated to manufacturing and maintaining the automated machinery.

>>60556015 (OP)
ICE is making sure none of us lose our jobs

>>60557405
go back to delivering fastfood, shitskin.

>>60556015 (OP)
They are stupid.

>>60556022
>>i am a pilot for wild fires
Pilots are the most heavily unionized profession in the USA and regulations are strict. That's why pilots get paid an order of magnitude more here than anywhere else in the world. There is no will to change the current system, as it works well for all involved.

And aerial firefighting is like, the most selective thing you can do as a civilian pilot. You have to know a guy, put in the hours, and make connections. It would be easier for a foreigner to become a surgeon in the USA than to become an aerial firefighter.

>t. knower

>>60556022
>pedophile, arsonist and scams old people to plant some flowers

>>60557407
>The decline of skilled blue collar work in the US was largely a product of poor economic policy
No, it's a product of people desiring more shit for less money. The same happened in Europe btw, we have to go into higher end manufacturing, professional services, etc as a result of our labor costs. Unironically union greed in the 1960s-1970s accelerated automation and outsourcing. I work in the tool industry, despite what all the online tradesmen claim to want American made tools, few actually care enough to pay 150% more for the same tool as one made in Vietnam. They want a quality tool at a good price, and the only way to deliver that from an American manufacturer is to massively automate the processes but things like power tools have hundreds of components that require assembly and it doesn't work to pay someone 30-40 dollars an hour to do that. The point I'm getting at is that it is more about consumer choice than regulatory or automation, people want to spend the minimum to buy a functional item, but China's labor costs are significantly up and automation is becoming much more reliable and advanced to the point where made in America (by robots mostly) makes sense.

>>60556116
you haven't said what your job is, but a $5/hour brown person could likely do it.
>>60556280
jungle asians don't do drugs.
>>60556317
>machine rarely breaks and is only serviceable by manufacturer
>fly from city to city, 200+ days a year on the road
sounds absolutely horrible
>>60556647
>Nobody gets fired
the company is paying 28,000 people to sit around with their thumb up their ass?
>>60556652
make """chad"""" a 5'2 65 IQ guatemalan.

>>60556015 (OP)
Blue collar is much more complex to automate, you need hyper advance robots whereas with white collar simple smart contract / ai systems can automate most of it as white collar is mostly data centric.

The new white collar class will be ai devs and people that know how to utilize, leverage and optimize ai for various functions. Some white collar such as lawyers and doctors will take longer to automate and be around for some time still

>>60558154

That all went hand in hand with poor economic policy. You have to understand all these things were deliberate and by design. The US permanent state shifted to a "Free Market" economic policy as part of the New Rules Based Order; the permanent state believed that by creating a complex interconnected web of global trade networks, they could prevent future wars and enforce American interest abroad through threats of economic strangulation. This meant outsourcing domestic manufacturing and sending it abroad to developing countries like India and China, in order to tie their economies to the American economy, at the cost of American skilled blue collar labor. A propaganda and marketing campaign was conceived in the 1960's to convince Americans that cheap disposable slop produced in a third world workshop that fell apart after limited use, was far better than the more expensive domestically produced products that lasted for decades. And this consumerist mindset has been heavily ingrained in the American psyche.

>They want a quality tool at a good price, and the only way to deliver that from an American manufacturer is to massively automate the processes but things like power tools have hundreds of components that require assembly and it doesn't work to pay someone 30-40 dollars an hour to do that.

The thing is that there are many regions of the country with low cost of living that you can easily pay someone under $20 / hr for manufacturing work, and that would be a decent wage for them. But we have a free market policy that allows capital to flow freely, which means investors have no incentive to pay an American worker $20 / hr for a job they can outsource to Vietnam and pay a Vietnamese worker $ 2 / hr to do.

>>60558230
>the company is paying 28,000 people to sit around with their thumb up their ass?
Ugh, you're so retarded I don't even want to bother an effort response.

>>60558483
>That all went hand in hand with poor economic policy.
I disagree with the point of it being "poor" economic policy though. In addition to tying the economies of nuclear powers together to minimize war risks, it was beneficial for the average American still. You value American blue collar workers more than the American consumer and white collar workers. The tradeoff made in economic policy is perfectly rational, basically the trade was we give up blue collar factory jobs (that are low value add/impossible to pay well, cause pollution, and destroy the bodies of the people working in those factories) in exchange for a massive reduction in cost of consumer goods and a major incentive to push workers towards higher skill white collar jobs in engineering facilities, in tech, in high end specialty manufacturing like aerospace and defense. Looking objectively at society and their needs/wants, it was a very good trade to make. The hardest part and worst consequence was the blue collar workers (mostly white middle aged men living the Great Lakes Region of the Midwest) that were unable or unwilling to adapt to higher skilled professions requiring college education, what jobs do you give those who refuse or are incapable of taking the opportunity to improve? Or that didn't want to or couldn't leave their small town of 3,000 for whatever reason.

>fell apart after limited use, was far better than the more expensive domestically produced products that lasted for decades.
It's funny because the Chinese quality is actually quite good in most cases, far better than American quality from 1975 were, tolerances are tighter and materials cleaner. The reason you don't think things last as long as because you fall into the same trap as many Americans, you buy the cheapest replacement expecting premium results.

>>60556022
>>i am a teacher for grade school.
ha, child production got outsourced

It's hilarious to watch a bunch of wagies doing everything possible to cling on to *being* robots and denying that a robot will eventually simply do their job better.

You are more than an automatron, but you will cling to being such, even if it ultimately makes you unhappy, because you fags don't know better. You are so fixated on being robots for this unsustainable system, that you cope, and will cling on to your unsustainable role as long as possible. That's why you're NPCs.

Oh well. Just remember, no matter how hard you try: it's a fruitless battle. You will never be better at being a robot...than a robot.

>>60559080

>I disagree with the point of it being "poor" economic policy though. In addition to tying the economies of nuclear powers together to minimize war risks, it was beneficial for the average American still.

It is poor policy, because it was built on a naive axiom that trade is an antidote for war, which simply isn't true. Historically, nations went to war with their major trading partners all the time. We see that with the EU throwing their collective weight at the Ukrainians against the Russians, despite the major partner, Germany, having an economy that is heavily reliant on cheap Russian oil; the absence of which has caused their economy to majorly stagnate. The American permanent state's decision to outsource manufacturing sacrificed a nation's self-sufficiency in exchange for global hegemony.

> The tradeoff made in economic policy is perfectly rational, basically the trade was we give up blue collar factory jobs (that are low value add/impossible to pay well, cause pollution, and destroy the bodies of the people working in those factories) in exchange for a massive reduction in cost of consumer goods and a major incentive to push workers towards higher skill white collar jobs in engineering facilities, in tech, in high end specialty manufacturing like aerospace and defense.

Switching the economy from a focus on producing tangible goods to intangibles is not inherently better, the only true positive being the lack of pollution. Not everyone can and should be working white collar office jobs, because societies need blue collar workers to produce essential tangibles. The vast majority of companies that focus on the production of intangible goods, produce products or services that have no intrinsic value; tech is entirely speculative, and aerospace and defense are unproductive relative to other economic activities.

>>60559080

>>The hardest part and worst consequence was the blue collar workers (mostly white middle aged men living the Great Lakes Region of the Midwest) that were unable or unwilling to adapt to higher skilled professions requiring college education, what jobs do you give those who refuse or are incapable of taking the opportunity to improve?

Knowing how to produce and manufacture quality tangible products is a high skilled trade. You cannot have a society without those people, and having a large pool of labor with such skill sets is essential for national security, as there are machinery and equipment that are critical to national defense that should never be outsourced. We see that with the chip shortages and American reliance on Taiwan for producing those items; a Chinese invasion of the island would cripple the American economy, and that's why producing chips domestically is a major concern for American defense planners.

>It's funny because the Chinese quality is actually quite good in most cases, far better than American quality from 1975 were, tolerances are tighter and materials cleaner.

When you compare manufactured goods produced in the 1940's and 1950's to future decades, the quality is night and day. American manufacturing by the mid 1960's was already in decline; the skilled blue collar workforce was getting hollowed out even back then as most of the talent that could have perpetuated these essential trades went to work in the office instead of working with their hands. And the trades became a dumping ground for the low IQ dregs who couldn't do anything else.

>>60556015 (OP)
Thats why you have a socialdemocrat government and not a lolbert government or else you get a fascist government soon.

>>60556015 (OP)
I live in the UK and the only people I ever see doing blue-collar work is white men.
If white men decide to down tools in the future then the system collapses.
Robots don't exist that you can call up and come to your house to fix your electricity.
Most white-collar work exists only to give middle-class people something to do, they will be easily replaced with AI from GP's to solicitors and accountants.

>>60561531
> I live in the UK and the only people I ever see doing blue-collar work is white men.
I honestly and respectfully dont believe this. I live in the biggest city in my country and one of the top areas. There are so many different races and each race has their own class of blue collar people that pretty much only work for their own race.
I know uk is very diverse also.

>>60561540
Blue collar job is the front door to unlimited time. 99% never learn to use it to become free distracted by everyday stress. But the 1% that understand the game theyre in for a BIG TREAT. History repeats itself.

>>60559400
Imagine believing Chinese construction is shit because it is chinese and not because of money and cheap products and cutting corners.
China is the only country in the world building mega construction projects all over the east. Those projects are not shit. Usa has not built a mega project since a long time ago. Google or youtube it. China is building a whole network on the other side of the world.

>>60561546
Tell me about it. The majority of blue collar people are dumb and low iq. Unless your family or parents got into before you were born, anyone that goes blue collar after after 20 is dumb af.

>>60559182
irl, the average working class person IS a robot? LOLOLOL

Good luck having a robot deliver pizza without it being pounced on like a mobile lootbox

>>60562100
checked, got em

>>60561547
but chinese ppl cant see out of their tiny eyes how can they make a megaproject

>>60556015 (OP)
>white collar seethe
nice