Thread 60581242

Why can't we turn all corporations into cooperatives?

>>60581242 (OP)
Mountain Zion and the Ex-Reich have something like this for many agricultural and real estate businesses, it's called a Genossenschaft.

>>60581242 (OP)
While it's workable in certain fields and situations, co-ops generally do not attract the best people. The best will go to where they are valued the most.
Co-ops also have to be very careful in controlling membership, otherwise the core mission may change to the detriment of the business. (Think of the UN as a co-op.)

>>60581242 (OP)
The company would get filled with communists and brown people who would vote to give themselves maximum benefits for minimum work and the company would collapse.

>>60581242 (OP)
They already are.

The only functional difference is the fourth column: cooperatives are one vote per member, while corporations are a number of votes per member in proportion to their individual stake.

Once you realize that most people are retarded, you will realize that cooperatives are equally as retarded. The few geniuses in the cooperative who alone could steer the coop to greatness instead get drowned out by the vast number of retards.

I'll answer in two short stories:

The first was a hippy girl I knew who actually did launch a food co-op with 4 other people. Five completely ideologically aligned, hardcore left, fuck the system, reasonably motivated people.
It closed after 6 months because, apparently, "all we did was argue and fight and I'm not friends with any of them any more".

The second story: I used to work in a bar that was the home base of the local "Socialist Alliance" group. Every week, after their meeting, they would come in. Each one would order a glass of white wine, the cheapest thing on the menu. Nearly every week, I would tell them that if they all put their money together it would be even cheaper to get a bottle of white wine and then share it.
Every single time, they refused.

>>60581242 (OP)
cooperative ROI is less than corporation ROI which is a bad thing when you live in a jewish fraud scam country where your only hope of retirement is 7% inflation adjusted returns on your jewish stocks over a 50 year wageslaving career.

>>60581408
>The only functional difference is the fourth column: cooperatives are one vote per member, while corporations are a number of votes per member in proportion to their individual stake.

No, The only retard here is you because in a worker-owned cooperative every employee is a shareholder by definition

>>60581242 (OP)
Because they're inefficient and result in lower wages.
Several studies prove this.
Inb4 muh mondragon cope

>>60581242 (OP)
Are we talking about why Kleros is doomed?

I am def more leftist then some of you, but full out commies can get retarded sometimes. Like even I argue for co-ops but the hardcore tankies I know hate that, they want the fucking USSR back.
These are people who have 0 economic knowledge and don't know the first thing about the stock market.

>>60581309
Research says exactly the opposite.

>>60581414
People need to get rid of this idea that co-ops are just for socialists.
Socialists by definition just hate to work, even if they are getting a good pay for it. Just look in the public sector. The highest wages and the lowest efficiency.

>>60583556
look at all the farmers that are part of agri co-ops
like Ocean Spray
farmers are not lazy

>>60583540
>and don't know the first thing about the stock market
What is?

>>60583558
Yeah I was think to talk exactly about the agricultural co-ops example.
Most of these people even operate on thinner than necessary margins, just to to make sure everything can sustain.

>>60583561
so basically, you can buy a little bit of a company

> but why

because you expect the value to go up, and/or want to benefit from the dividend payments