Thread 60585002

Money really is the most important thing in life.

I wasted more than a decade studying different philosophies, religions, mysticism, cults, and esoteric teachings around the world, but at least my life is not over yet, I'm going to be 30 next month.

I have some debt and no degree that has worth, but still, it could be worse.

I also learned that ethics is equally bullshit. Just another type of religion. Oh well, that's what you get for ignoring the obvious, I guess... Not gonna lie, I feel pretty stupid and probably am. Well, not probably. I am pretty stupid.

>>60585002 (OP)
Not money itself but the freedom and power it brings is the actual important thing.

>>60585015
This right here

>>60585002 (OP)
>but at least my life is not over yet, I'm going to be 30 next month.
Whos gonna tell him?

>>60585002 (OP)
It's about freedom. The most important thing since I became a multi-millionaire is the ability to CHOOSE.

I don't buy shit still, I don't care. I just want to make my own decisions, not live like I am in high school, being told what to do with the possibility of homelessness on the side. FUCKING WAGIES.

>>60585002 (OP)
Interacting with a lot of wealthy people makes you realize about 80% of them are secretly miserable and their entire personality is based around just making more money. A lot of things they own end up owning them.

>>60585015
^wealth allows you the space to study the topics OP mentioned along with the agency to live an interesting life.

>>60585080
Interacting with a lot of POOR people makes you realize about 80% of them are secretly miserable and their entire personality is based around just making more money. A lot of things they own end up owning them.

>>60585135
Suffering is the universal currency of the world

>>60585002 (OP)
most need value to be happy
but it can ruin you
i came from a 1%er family (dad was pulling $400k in 2000) but we were miserable
i am happy now, i have a fall back but live simply
i make little money but am investing effort to have a business with little capital (atleast fo rme) but alot of effort required.

>>60585170
If what you said is true, you're just delusional and anything you type is invalid, because you're so deluded that you can even understand how deluded you are. I'm not trying to be mean, this is not your "fault", it's not even a question of "fault" or being "wrong". Again, I'm sorry for the way I expressed this, but I don't know how to put it.

>>60585002 (OP)
Giving up and becoming a money-nigger and a society-nigger is defeat, but I gave up as well.

>>60585353
I also feel defeated, honestly, I truly do. But I stopped a while ago, and had a hard look at my life, all of the 'knowledge' (if I can call that), that I acquired, it's that, it has no "value", if tomorrow, my elder parents needed my help financially, or even I, got into an accident, fell ill, I would have no way to help, I wouldn't be able to even help myself. So I started to think that, all of that, it's jsut maybe a delusion. That little voice of "maybe there is something more to it", maybe it's just that, a little voice of a troubled person trying to look for something that simply ins't there. I'm 30 now, in debt, starting from zero. I'll probably go back to college while doing some side husstle on the side, and .... well, that's that I guess. Weird as fuck, and yes, I agree, I feel the same, cheated and like I'm being a fucking coward and "selling out". But maybe I'm just wrong, and was wrong the entire time, because everything points to that. Just like what I found at the center of every religion, philosophy, cult, nature of god, psychology. It's empty, there is something, but I have no idea how to describe, use it, test it or do anything with it.

>>60585384
Make a YouTube or Insta about it and sell the delusion to others. That's how you monetize that.

This is coming from a chemist turned financier btw. This world doesn't deserve my creation, so it gets another bloodsucker.

>>60585002 (OP)
>>60585384
But hey, at least you're finally facing reality. Lots of people live in their psychosis their whole lives, never able to see outside it. I thought I was above money, wanted to give to this world, living in my ivory tower. Now I've learned the game. The whole game. And I play that game for others so they don't have to end up like the 90% of Americans who don't have shit and never will.

Sad fact of life, we're playing this game the moment we're born. You can opt out, but you're only fucking yourself over. It has gone on long before we were born, and will go on long after we die. Best to learn the rules. Only way you're gonna beat it. And chances are you never will, but with knowledge, at least you have a shot.

>>60585002 (OP)
this is why redditors hated season 3

>>60585002 (OP)
Catholicism is the truth and Jesus Christ is the way. Money is nothing but a tool. It’s not bad by itself, but greed is obviously one of the greatest evils on Earth. The only thing that actually matters is God’s grace.

>>60585738
This shit was to keep people down & today is (just barely) used to keep you in the cage, nothing more.

Greed in nature is good, its always how it was, anything else is cope.

>>60585015
Basically what this anon said. You don't need to forsake those pursuits, but understand that money is definitely important as it gives you freedom and power. With enough money, you don't have to be in the wage cage and can dedicate even more time to studying those things. With enough money, you can save your family from much trouble and so on. But money does not grant you a soul, true love, practical skills, etc. Those require different investments such as time, effort, mental pain and sacrifice.

>>60585002 (OP)
>wasted more than a decade studying different philosophies, religions,
It doesn't seem like you learned much.
Money is important but illusory, and ultimately irrelevant.

>>60586175
No, I didn't, you're the one who did. Yeah. Money is just an illusion. Please tell me more! I'm eager to learn!

Money isn't the most important thing in life, but it's definitely up there, and it's foundational. It's REALLY hard to have a happy wife and children and family if you're broke. But having a lot of money and no family is also not happy. That's the point of generational wealth: to set the foundation for happiness so that your kids and grandkids don't get stuck spending their youth chasing money instead of enjoying their youth and doing more important things (fucking, having kids, etc).

>>60585015
Money=service.

>>60586243
this. Money is proportional to the amount of value you add to the lives of others. You can get rich quickly by screwing people over and pandering to their vices, but nature has a weighing system that balances your deeds to your fate. Anons who want to get rich should focus on starting a business that has a product or service that adds real value.

Money has brought more religion to the world than all the holytexts combined. Money, not god, balances and guides your daily actions and behaviors. Your beliefs will be influenced by money.

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>>60585002 (OP)
I would of punted that baby off that platform

>>60585738
Amen

philosophags are cringe

>>60585002 (OP)
Took you long enough to get redpilled on reality.
You literally spent your prime years chasing cope and delusions instead of accumulating capital. Money is the most important thing in life because it buys freedom, and everything else is a cope to avoid that truth. And ethics? In the market? LMAO. The market has no ethics, only incentives.
Good. You're "pretty stupid." Now stop wallowing. You just got your first genuine dose of reality.

Here's your path:

- Discard every single book you read about philosophy and mysticism. That's cope for the poor.
- Get a job that pays. Any job, even knepadd. Work every hour you can.
- Pay off your debt. Ruthlessly.
- Every single spare cent, you DCA into Bitcoin. No alts, no gambling, no more esoteric teachings.Just stack sats.

- Understand that you're starting from less than zero. You have to work twice as hard now.
You wasted a decade. Now go make some money. You're not stupid for life, you're just a late bloomer who finally understood the game. Now go earn. Otherwise, you're truly NGMI.

>>60585384
Hello me 5 years ago. Weird to meet you.
Save yourself anon. You do good in this world by leading by example. Get in shape. Sort out your money. Be the chad you are. It takes a lot to come to the realisation you have, to humble yourself like you have. But in that comes so much room for real growth. Everything gets better. And you don't want to hear it now obviously but be nice to Jesus, he is always waiting to show you the truth despite all the mean we do.

>>60585384
Read Plato and Aristotle, you retard, and stop being so cocky. You don't know everything, you are not God.

>>60586533
OP do everything this anon said fr fr no cap

>>60586540
Someone is angry... why? It hits too close to home? Perhaps you found the same, but it's in denial... what the hell is a god anyway? Have you seen one? Grow up, the closest things we have to deities are a society of the richest, most influential men in existence.

>>60585384
"God wants you to do things."

>>60585002 (OP)
You say you spent more than a decade studying different religions etc., but did you ever dedicate yourself to practising one? Surely, if you've really studied as you say you have, you know that pretty much all the teachings consider it of utmost importance. If you use the teachings for purely escapistic reasons, naturally escapism is all you're going to get. Having spare income is not a problem, but deluding yourself into thinking it will fix all your problems is. Sounds like you're doing just that. I hope you can see that it's the same pattern repeating itself here. Money will be just another type of religion if you make it that, and you'll be disappointed. I wish you success anon, and I hope you'll get rid of that retarded mindset. Maybe then you'll actually be able to enjoy the wealth instead of trying to make it another fix-all salvation.

>>60586533
Worshipping the golden calf is what low iq retards with no talent do to feel superior to others, lol. Imagine thinking one person is better than another just because one has more money, it's so funny that it becomes sad and that says a lot about the human condition. At best having money lets you impress retards and women and some of them may actually get you killed to steal from you. Meanwhile no one can steal true treasures like knowledge and wisdom

>>60587774
He said he was a philosophy chad, practicing religion is for cuck slaves.

>>60587860
Too intellectual.

>>60585002 (OP)
>spent a decade learning occultism
>didnt learn anything

To us, true Magicians, money is just another thing to conjure.

>>60585015
this has been proven, its not an opinion. more money doesnt make you happier. not having enough just makes you unhappy. depending on where you live more money doesnt cause more happiness at around 20K usd per month or so. a person earning 1M is a fraction happier as a person making lets say 200K. but the difference between 20K and 200K is insane.

>>60585002 (OP)
Earth, Fire, Air, Water. Make sure your material (Earth) is in order as your foundation so you can have room to cultivate Mind (Air). Emotions (Water) and Drive/Desire (Fire).

>>60585738
this but islam instead of catholicism

>>60585002 (OP)
Money is the philosopher's stone.
There are people at this very moment living in the Garden of Eden. The freedom from toiling for one's own life is what separates them from us.

Yet, one can ascend or descend to Heaven.
Truly, we are the damned, us tilling the Earth which feeds the birds.

>>60585015
Power is libertas and libertas is happiness

>>60585080
anon... i hate to break it to you but at LEAST 75% of the people are probably super unhappy with their lives. Im being generous here...

>>60585015
what I want from money is to never think about it again. I tried having that by having none, it went badly. Now Im trying by getting a lot; thats not going so well either (better tho I guess?).
Money is an evil invention controlled by the worst people in the world

money is just social influence storage

you can't convert money to give yourself more time directly

you can only convert money so that other human beings do things (but not always)

money doesn't save you from ambient pressure (rich retards still have the urge to show off in life and play social games)

money can't remove your need for food, water and sleep (yet)

>>60585384
I feel like you are falling into the trap of absolutes. I have had friends like that who have destroyed themselves with that kind of thinking. Either holding so dear to idealism that they doom themselves to poverty, or thinking that money is the only thing in life.

Take the middle path. Understand that money is important as a means to an end, but let a higher ideal guide you when it is possible. There are plenty of ways to make money that is in line with a philosophy or belief. You probably won't be rich. If you can accept that, then you shouldn't have any problem. Perfection in all things is not a possibility.

As cliché as it is, there are plenty of wealthy people who hate their lives. They don't have respect or love.

>>60589062
This, having just enough money for it not to be a problem is a god send. It's a big part of mental health that I think is not emphasized enough.

>>60589081
Money buys you time. I had money at some point but burned it like a retard but it got me : lean with good muscle mass (strong factor in longevity), Vo2max top 1% (Elite amateurs) (strongest factor for longevity).
Money buys everything you need. 20k per month is the perfect threshold. Or 10M on VTI. Having 200M won’t do much better.
Also : a house in the countryside, a 100m2 flat in a city you like, and a condo for your holidays / relaxation spot. 2 cars, 1 bike, 4 months per year of vacations to travel, work 30h per week the rest of the year.
That’s the equation to having the best fulfilling life.

>>60589393
>Take the middle path
There is no such a thing.

Said that your writing has so many flaws for me, that I won't even address, not because I think you're wrong or that it wouldn't work for you, and many people. But because nothing will come of it. We, you and I, just see the world in a fundamental different way.

So when I say "there is no such a thing", that's not me dismissing you. But it is me, dismissing it for me. There is no such a thing for me. Nor would I like to be.

>>60585002 (OP)
Money =\= materialist

>>60585002 (OP)
very sad if you genuinely sought truth and came to that conclusion

this reality is a sting operation to see what you're really made of when you think nobody is watching. you won't take a dollar with you when you leave, but every thought word and deed will echo for eternity

gl

bump

>>60585002 (OP)
There is something to be said about being content with little money though. I used to have no ambitions and was quite happy. Now I'm wealthier and have high ambitions but I'm worried about making money even though I'm better off financially than 90% of the people around me. Obviously I wouldn't go back though

It's kind of the midwit meme again. Dummies know money is everything. Midwits big brain themselves into thinking money isn't everything. Smarties know money is everything.

This is because money is literally built to represent everything. It's an abstraction of everything condensed into one. Time, resources, power, all condensed into this medium for the purposes of efficient transfer.

Doesn't mean you have to be a materialist. Doesn't mean you have to be a consumerist. You just need to know money is everything and amass as much of it as possible for independence, flexibility, security, the ability to live life to the fullest.

The ironic, and annoying thing, about people who like to go on about "money doesn't matter", is that it matters most to them, because they are constantly starving for it. They're unbearably needy, desperate, budget obsessed, charity obsessed. The only way to stop caring about money, is to have a lot of it.

>>60591036
Could not word it better anon, FUCK money doesn't matter people. Its all Cope.

>>60585002 (OP)
money is just the materialization of value, nigger.

Also the purpose of life is to reproduce, the only proved way to achieve immortality, hope I saved you from wasting another decade.

>>60589454
>20k per month is the perfect threshold
outrageously large amount for 99.99% of places in this Green Earth
>Also : a house in the countryside
sure
>a 100m2 flat in a city you like
do you have a family to occupy that space?
>and a condo for your holidays / relaxation spot.
bleeding property tax like a retard
>2 cars
why 2
>1 bike
sure
>4 months per year of vacations to travel
leisure time doesn't necessitate travel
>work 30h per week the rest of the year.
comfy, that is good

you worship the dollar like many retards alive, but your goals aren't entirely misguided and very good on you for staying /fit/

>>60585002 (OP)
>I wasted more than a decade studying different philosophies, religions, mysticism, cults, and esoteric teachings around the world
You studied but you didn't learn

>>60591312
No, I didn't. You are the one who did.

>>60585002 (OP)
>he thinks money is inherently materialist
>he doesn't know that economics are fundamentally a manipulation of metaphysical forces
>he hasn't realized communist are brainlets who always fail because they haven't realized this essential truth and keep trying to apply their own materialist worldview to it
>he hasn't realized esoteric mystics are just brainlets who romanticize a period when the study of the only real magic (commerce and finance) was in a relatively primitive state
>he doesn't know that the reason everything sucks these days is because the followers of the left-hand path have usurped control, and the only way to rectify this is to learn the right-hand path and undo their evil
ngmi

>>60593369
>he doesn't know that economics are fundamentally a manipulation of metaphysical forces
Stopped reading there.

Anon...

>>he doesn't know that farts are fundamentally a manipulation of metaphysical forces

>>60586175
I need some illusory Irrelevance to buy groceries tomorrow

>>60586354
Why are there three crowns?

>>60585135
99% of poors are miserable, id rather be rich and have other problems than poor people problems

>>60585314
You are a broke 30 year old who just realised that he doesn’t know anything about the world, how can you be the judge of what is and what is not delusion?

>>60586175
All money does is precisely value your apparent contribution to society
Chasing money itself is dumb. Chase getting really good at something that's valuable to people and you'll get a lot of money

>>60589454
Based and true. Add having 3 healthy kids with a woman you love and supporting parents to the list

>>60585738
Fuck off

>>60594146
Ok boomer

>>60585738
>I'm poor because... le sky daddy
just be a man and start trading pussy
leave that cope for the actual thirdworlders who have no way out of poverty

>>60587963
>more money doesnt make you happier
bullshit. lack of purpose makes misery. waging is but a distraction from misery and impermanence. the problem with having great wealth is isolation. great wealth makes everyone surrounding you miserable lest you bless them with regular cash injections. and they in turn make your life a misery. these words will ring just as hollow once lifespan extension become available but for a princely sum. oh, they'll say, more life doesn't make one happier. bollocks.

>>60587963
what's funny is if the matter had been decided once and for all, then the counter-experiement should've proved the same point. but i've yet to meet a formerly rich person who's happier now that they've lost it all.

>>60589454
>Having 200M won’t do much better
diversification is the problem. if you truly aim to insulate you and yours from long-tail risks, then you must have four flags and have redundant bases of operations. you can't do that (at scale for a family of four) on 10mm. one would need 20-30mm to start and 50-60mm for longevity and protection against familial fuckups. and after all that you'll still be a second class citizen lol.

>>60594291
>i've yet to meet a formerly rich person who's happier now that they've lost it all.
oh sure, they'll wax philosophical IF they've made it back...IF they don't suffer from crippling debt as a result of bankruptcy and divorce...IF any other their so-called friends have stuck around.

>>60585002 (OP)
Money is an abstraction of reverse entropy, or negentropy, the same thing drives all biological systems and life. Money is the same as life and therefore is as important as life.

If you don't have money, it's basically over and you should kill yourself.

Leftards who think that money can be erased and eliminated are misguided, because you can't erase and eliminate the life that gives rise to the Universe.

>>60586354
This is just some fags jewish livestream discord

>>60594144
>You are a broke 30 year old who just realised that he doesn’t know anything about the world

>>60585002 (OP)
>Money really is the most important thing in life.
you're wrong, it is time... money is just a tool to buy other people's time

>>60587860
The positive externality of voluntary exchange is the causal mechanism that binds Us into a superorganism, slavemind

>>60595948
>The positive externality of voluntary exchange is the causal mechanism that binds Us into a superorganism

>>60594201
>poor and retarded
Money is a score keeping system, you retard
Wanting "money" is like wanting to score 80 points in a basketball game. What you want to do is get good at basketball

>>60596753
The blind leading the blind

>>60585027
He still has a moth to live Anon. He said nothing wrong.

>>60585002 (OP)
I think you got really close but you've fallen for the golden trap. Money has its place in life, it's tough to neglect it, but if you think money is the most important thing in life, you've never been sick, lonely, or utterly spiritually broken.

t. useless degree(s) holder

>>60591036
Of course money is important, just like language skills and math etc... are important, but it's not everything and does not represent everything.

The great works of art, while requiring money, did not come from the money itself. If you want to say that they did, then you have to say that the money comes from the system that is able to defend / maintain it, and therefore that system is the most important. And that system needs people, etc... So money does not represent "everything", even abstractly.

I could give a random baby infinite money to train them musically and they would most likely never reach what Beethoven reached, for example.

>>60589584
prove it faggot

You sound like a very weak person given that you've dabbled in dumb ass shit like cults. It's always people like you who think ethics are useless. You will never amount to anything you don't have gumption.

I was a neet until 30. Nine years later I'm worth half a million already.

i really just want to smoke pot all day and hang out, but people actually enjoying their limited lifespans is the most dangerous thing to our capitalistic system so lol, lmao even.

>>60585002 (OP)
You know what? 120 years tops and you are going to die. Yes money is important; to buy the things you like, live comfortably, save time, energy, have fun etc.
If you think this life is all there is, then worshipping and glorifying money makes total sense. But remember, that money also comes with it's own problems, once you make it you will understand this.

>>60585002 (OP)
Money can be spent in 5 ways. Buying things, buying time (eg. housecleaner, landscaper), buying experiences (vacations, concerts, etc), saving it, or giving it away. 4 of those make you happy. One of those is the wrong choice but we've been brainwashed by the (((media))) to do it. Your brain has been programmed to want to buy stuff. If you can undo that programming and teach yourself to use the money for the other 4 you're already better living your best life

>>60597996
>I could give a random baby infinite money to train them musically and they would most likely never reach what Beethoven reached, for example.
Major kek, paradoxically haven't read Beethoven's story

>>60598131
>You dared to do something I never did?!
>That's wrong!
>You will never amount to anything!

>>60585002 (OP)
>religion, mysticism, ethics
This is just flavor text to help you contextualize your material conditions. It's nice to have, but if you like air conditioning, tasty food, rest, etc, really the only game in town is your passive income snowball. Getting a PhD in Philosophy from Harvard or whatever isn't going to help with that at all.

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>>60585135
Poors are like cows or some herbivore, just getting up in the morning, chewing the cud all day, sleep, repeat. Absolute golems.

>>60600596
>just flavor text to help you contextualize your material conditions
This. If you end up like picrel you've really missed the point.

>>60585002 (OP)
The whole human species lives by the philosophy of wanting number to go up. What separates good from evil in this species is wanting number to go up in the long term or in the short term. Try to think of something that will make you money in the long long term that is unethical. Now try to think of something that will make you money in the immediate term that is ethical. Didn't think so.

>>60601491
They're not wasting their time. Staring at a point on the wall is hard because your mind is naturally chaotic but the more you do it the more your mind quiets and over years you will start to enter sublime states of consciousness which may as well be like a drug. You can get a preview by doing psychedelics and meditating.

>>60602385
And what does entering sublime states of consciousness achieve?

>>60602398
bliss?... happiness? the happiest man in the world ever recorded by scientists is a Tibetan monk named Mathieu Ricard whose normal experience is beyond the maximum that normal people can feel, which researchers described as "beatific". Of course, the end goal of Buddhism is the ocean of bliss that is nirvana which is also a permanent end to suffering (not just for this life). I don't think there's any other way to achieve enlightenment than meditation.

>>60602408
And what does this happiness achieve? Is this an entirely selfish pursuit? Doesn't a heroin junkie chases the same feeling?

>>60602408
>I don't think there's any other way to achieve enlightenment than meditation
Do you think the west did not achieve it?

>>60602438
no one wants anything but happiness. you have to do it for yourself and then you can help others if you want, but the universe doesn't force you to be an altruism slave

>>60602447
absolutely not. they're just using that term, like the unenlightened "illuminati". real enlightenment is extremely rare because it takes decades of meditation

>>60602463
So the guys who have done more good throughout this world than anyone in human history in the name of Jesus and our lord are not enlightened but the monks staring at walls chasing a hedonistic lifestyle are? How is that working out for their people?

>>60598120
if it could be proved, then the test would be worth nothing. its precisely because most participants dont understand the game that makes it so effective

we all have an internal mechanism that's constantly trying to make you aware of this. it's called your conscience

so when the day comes, there will be no excuses. you've been caught in fifth dimensional 4k for all the universe to see.

>>60602496
>be good to game the test
>be good to be good
are these the same?

>>60602514
very astute of you, and no they are of course not

every thought word and deed, your motivation is very important. do you love your fellow man because you know you are in fact one and all appearances of being separate are illusions of the handicapped senses you rely on for perceived "survival". or are you just trying to appease an imaginary sky daddy because you fear punishment?

the universe sings to each of us, but if you don't know who you are, its easy to miss among the many demands and distractions daily life throws at you

>>60602408
>the happiest man in the world ever recorded by scientists

>>60602496
The only game in town is survival. Like it or not, believe it or not, you're in it, you're playing. And you know what? It's not some cope delusion, I can prove it, real quick. Just stop working... better, travel to a very poor country like somalia and give always all your possessions and then you stop working, let's see how long it takes.

>>60589393
>There are plenty of ways to make money that is in line with a philosophy or belief. You probably won't be rich.

Wrong. Ironically the richest people in the world right now (bezos, musk, gates) all only ever had a very strong philosophy, belief, passion for something and nothing more, along with a lot of capital, yes.. But it's their logic aka philosophy and drive that got them where they are today. This anon is fucking spot on and you should really ignore the other replies.

>>60591036
Fucking retard.

Money ONLY has value when it trades FOR something else, of actual real world value. Or it has savings / potential to trade at a later time.

This entire thread is fucking retarded.

Money is just a government record of a market transaction. The government that prints it runs on politics aka philosophy, making the 30 and starting anon sound like a complete fucking retard.

The market is entirely different.. Things are Things and money is merely a transaction ledger, a memory matrix nothing more.

Biz is retarded.

>>60586175
>20s and 5
>probably 1s in his mouth

>>60602471
>How is that working out for their people?
Some are escaping suffering for all of eternity, that's how it's working out. Christians are not. I know this because there is reincarnation and Christians reincarnate, no matter how close you were to Jesus. Look up John of New on youtube. 19 psychics said he was the apostle John in a past life and he remembers it, yet here he is. If Jesus didn't save the apostle who carried him to his tomb, did he save anyone? Why would you be saved from samsara? Meditation is guaranteed, you just have to put in the hours.

>>60603566
>Wrong. Ironically the richest people in the world right now (bezos, musk, gates) all only ever had a very strong philosophy, belief, passion for something and nothing more, along with a lot of capital, yes.. But it's their logic aka philosophy and drive that got them where they are today.
Go read a few books on the people you mention, by a few I mean, read more than 3 in each character you like most, maybe books won't be enough, so read enough, around 350 pages of different sources to count as a book. Also avoid 'biographical' books written by the author or with their blessing, biographies of people that are alive are generally not very good.

>>60603613
That's on my to do list but I can't find time. They all got lucky yes, Bezos cashed in on the internet when it was rising because he merely did it correctly and not like a retard. The other three are the same except for Musk who is retarded.

>>60603584
>Money is just a government record of a market transaction.
Ok, I think I was too kind to you in my earlier recommendation. Your not just naive, your delusional.

>>60603584

It isn't a ledger, a ledger is a ledger you fucking idiot. It isn't a record, it's an abstract manifestation of the underlying (resources). The state, keeper of overall power, guarantees it. It makes transactions and markets far more efficient. Otherwise we would have to barter shit physically. Money encapsulates everything, by design, because it's far more tedious to trade otherwise.

>>60603628
You're the delusional one buddy. I'm talking textbook definitions of money while you're talking common persons POV. that's not how money works, it's just a tool, the ledger analogy was far fetched yes but you can't refute this.

Money exist to transact and record.. It's surveillance. On top of a fiat wealth

>>60603648

Cash, quite famously, is used to evade surveillance for dirty transactions.

>>60603645
It's a decentralized ledger.

That's why every banknote has a unique "code" Of 6-7 digits alphanumeric printed on it, to record that this was printed and issued by bank and is in circulation. It's not an accurate ledger because people can lie how they obtained it.

Ex: I have 50 bucks on me, I know exactly where I got it. But I can lie to you. It's not a perfect ledger.

>>60603655
>Muhh government won't know when I use le dirty money

It's the government that makes it circulate to track people like you down.

The government is 200 times smarter than you will ever be.

>>60603656

An "inaccurate ledger" isn't a ledger. The code is merely id. There isn't a record of every transaction made in perfect sequence. Why even go off on this tangent? You picked a stupid ass hill.

"Money" need not be USD. In earlier times it was simple coins. It was still money. That's why money was invented, to encapsulate resources and value, and make transactions easy and efficient.

Money isn’t real. It’s an abstraction for power.

>>60603664
>and make transactions easy and efficient.

You just admitted I'm right. Transactions make ledgers because you need two to tango. I'm talking high level concepts kid you wouldn't get it right now.

The account of the buyer and seller act as informal ledgers.

>>60603664
>There isn't a record of every transaction made in perfect sequence

Technically there is, but we can't access it because only God is omnipresent and potent.

>>60603682

Ledgers don't make transactions easier, they actually make them harder. They are a necessary evil in most cases for record keeping. You're so fucking retarded it hurts lmao thanks for the alley oop this morning.

>>60603648
>I'm talking textbook definitions
>that's not how money works,
>it's just a tool,
>the ledger analogy was far fetched

I think you need to seriously read or take some classes, it's not shameful to not know, anon.

You have neither defined nor told us "how money works", on the contrary, you said I was just
>talking common persons POV.
When it appears, you're the one, just loosely sharing your opinion, but stating them as irrefutable facts.

>>60603656
My god, you're confusing ideas you don't even understand and are not attached together the way you think they are at all. You don't even understand your own analogies! This is fucking hilarious loool

>>60603682
>I'm talking high level concepts kid you wouldn't get it right now.
This is pure gold.

While...

>It's a decentralized ledger.
>Money is just a government record of a market transaction.
>Things are Things and money is merely a transaction ledger, a memory matrix nothing more.

>It's a decentralized ledger.

That's why every banknote has a unique "code" Of 6-7 digits alphanumeric printed on it,

Pure gold! Please keep it up!

>>60603691
Fact/opinion that's upto you brother.

I call it like i see it. Who prints money? Says so in the note right there : the government. Why would they go to all that trouble? To ration and surveil the citizenry.

Where do you think money goes from a bank once it's printed? It immediately goes into equity firms or into banks.

People in the middle Ages didn't have electronics and invented money. It's not complicated..

>>60603805

Money far predates the modern version of it. They weren't "surveilling" anyone in ancient Greece you moron.

>>60603805
This is not even funny anymore. Stop humiliating yourself, get off of 4chan and go read a book or watch a playlist of lectures online, there are ivy league uni lectures on youtube. Just do it.

>>60603811
I don't think you really understand what a "transaction" means. It's an exchange between two accounts which depletes both accounts of whatever they had.

This was the basis of barter. Fiat money printed only enhances barter. It does not replace it. Money is nothing more than a promissory note backed by government.

Money cant do anything but surveil if you think on it with a higher mind frequency a deeper mind voice (aka enlightened me).

How did it get in your pocket?
What did you trade it for ?

I hope you get the gist now. Because my trip speaks the truth.

>>60603823
>nooooo you must have a second person explain it to you how they understood it

No thanks. They aren't enlightened like I am. People always laugh at the sage. Look back on these posts 10 years later you will thank me

>>60603824
>Money cant do anything but surveil if you think on it with a higher mind frequency a deeper mind voice (aka enlightened me).
Are you Kayne west?

>>60603844
>Are you Kayne west?

No but if I was having this conversation with him he would agree because people at that level operate on higher mind frequency concepts.

Money is paper. What do you need paper for? Recording things. Ink etc. So it's a crude decentralized ledger, a video game token to be pursued.

>>60603860
Let me guess, you have being talking to gpt and you guys are operating in another level?

Yo, u just built different bruah! u dig?

>>60603879
Not totally but I did run this by gpt and it called me brilliant and insightful, meaning nobody else said this else it wouldn't have given me that reaction.

Alright I'm gonna wank and nap now bye. A calm relaxed mind is a strong mind

>>60603536
theres no better way to see whats in your soul than to make you believe you're in a "life or death" situation

if you're being trained to be a pilot, what do they do? put you in the best simulation they can that appears real. we're being trained for roles far more important than that of a pilot

life is all anyone has ever experienced and yet you still believe in death. interesting trick

>>60603674
it's an abstraction for utility and utility is powerful

>>60604560
>yet you still believe in death. interesting trick
>believe in death
>believe

You may want to look up the definition here, just a thought.

Money helps you outsource some stress from survival. You still have some of it in life, like when someone you love dies or something bad happens around you. But knowing that you do not starve when you stop working or can just bail out for a long period of time is something that improves your quality of time tenfold. Many people worry about how they pay rent; losing a job for them means they will be in big trouble. Money is absolutely important and people who say it is not or that it does not bring happiness are coping. It may not make you a giggly retard that woke up and is all sunshine but it will make your quality of life so much better.

>>60605249
Lmfao he got cooked

>>60585002 (OP)
>Money really is the most important thing in life.
Life is money.