So my fiancée doesn’t want to sign a prenup but I’m hesitant because I heard from friends she used to party a lot in college she was a sorority girl.

Anyways I have a landscaping business I started at 25 and I now grew it to make over 600k a year and I can’t afford to risk it if she divorces me.

What do I do?

>>60639881 (OP)
Don’t be a pussy

What you said just now is what you say straight up.
“I own a 600k business that I’ve started since I was 25. I can’t lose that because you decided to change your mind 4 months into a marriage. No.

I want a prenup to protect what I’ve built over my life or there is no marriage. End of discussion”

>>60639897
600k a year business*
Didn’t mean to low ball your efforts bro

>>60639881 (OP)
Girls keep trying to act like they fucked someone but it's really they got fucked by someone or they let someone fuck them

>>60639881 (OP)
Don’t you dare play into her hand by quietly and non combatively walking to your possible financial doom.

Let her play into yours.

“sign this prenup so I can feel safe towards the livelyhood of my buisness and so I can know you want me and not what you stand to possibly gain. Those are my only concerns.”


“Do you not love me? Is that genuinely what you think im capable of??? Sweetheart you know im-“


sign this prenup so I can feel safe towards the livelyhood of my buisness and so I can know you want me and not what you stand to possibly gain. Those are my only concerns.”


Stand your fucking ground

>>60639881 (OP)
In general, I think that if you want a prenup, you have trust issues with the person you're proposing to marry, and there's a good chance you should not marry her in the first place. In this case, you get the added benefit of knowing that she does not want to sign the prenup, which is also a red flag. I won't go into the partying thing because there's no way for you to know that for sure (if it's true, it's an obvious red flag as well).

Marriage is very difficult, even if you're fully committed and love the person beyond anything you've felt before. It takes a LOT of compromise and physical/emotional hard work. Don't let anybody tell oyu otherwise. You have ups and downs. Having the possibility of your fiancée taking half your assets (that you earned while unmarried) if things don't work out is not something I'd personally want hanging over my marriage.

>>60639909
This. Sex is a token of ownership. You cum in a girl, you have marked her as yours. With each new mark, the token valuation is diluted.

>risking your business and a lifetime of financial ruin for something that has a 50% chance of failing

Don’t be an idiot. If she refuses to sign a prenup that’s already a massive red flag on its own. Give her an ultimatum and if she calls off the wedding because of it, consider yourself extremely lucky that you were able to discover her true intentions before it was too late.

>>60639881 (OP)
Don't do it her way. Secure your gold.

Woman discovers what sex is

>>60639881 (OP)
if she even talks about having sex with anyone other than you take her camping and leave her there and block her

>>60639881 (OP)
Also regarding OP's image, the last ~100 years are basically the first time in recorded history that a large group of men are (supposedly) fine with their long term spouse having been so openly fucked by multiple men.

It instinctively gives men the "ick" to find out a woman's sexual history/promiscuity. I'm sure it's biological. From an evolutionary standpoint it also makes sense because a woman that has fucked a lot of men has a higher chance of carrying (often fatal or life-ruining, in the old days) diseases. For most of history venereal diseases could be a death sentence, so being repulsed by probable whores was actually a survival mechanism.

It's incredibly unnatural and novel for modern nu-males to claim that their wife/girlfriend having fucked a bunch of prior dudes doesn't bother them. Modern women obviously hate the fact that most men find whores repulsive (in terms of long-term relationship material) but you can't change millennia of biologic/social/cultural development in less than 100 years.

PRENUPS GET THROWN OUT ALL THE TIME!!!!! SEARCH "PRENUP THROWN OUT BY JUDGE"!!

OP, listen to me. Do NOT get married. Do NOT sign a marriage contract. A marriage contract is a legally binding business contract that says the woman gets 50% (or more) of your assets and income. No one with a brain would ever sign a business contract that says "The person who breaks this contract, if female, gets $100k from the male who upheld that contract." Keep in mind women initiate divorce in over 80% of cases because it's a free $100k for them.

Would anyone willingly sign a business contract that outright said "If the woman breaks this contract, cheats and betrays you, you will forfeit $100k from your bank account." Who the hell would WILLINGLY sign that legally binding business contract?

BRAINSTORM THE CONSEQUENCES!!!! DO NOT GET MARRIED!!! (Also, yes "common law marriage" does exist in SOME states, but you can at least fight against it and win, if you sign a marriage contract you are fucked, judges throw out prenups all the time)

>one-sided degradation
It is, it entirely is. It elevates the man, discounts the woman. Yet, they seem to wish to flip the script on this instead of playing into human psychology.

To spread their legs is now a virtue, when all men know how other men are, and how utterly worthless, improvident, disgusting, and leaderless most are.

>but what about OP?
Prenup, no negotiation. Disagree? Don't change the bitch, change the bitch.

>>60639881 (OP)
Dont marry her, find a different girl. You literally make 600k a year and if you aren't totally ugly it shouldnt be too hard to find a cool girl, anybody who tells you about something like soulmates or whatever is retarded. There are always people that could easily replace your partner

>>60639881 (OP)
why the fuck are you morons signing contracts with women where the state can fuck you out of the wealth you have earned if she just decides she wants to leave?

>>60640206
THIS. MARRIAGE IS A LEGALLY BINDING BUSINESS CONTRACT THAT SAYS "LET THIS CHEATING WHORE STEAL HALF MY WEALTH AND ASSETS" WHY WOULD ANY MAN WILLINGLY SIGN THIS CONTRACT???!?!?!??!

The hilarious thing is, these same people would laugh at those findom simps that go "I'm a good paypiggy let me CashApp you $1000" IF YOU SIGN A MARRIAGE CONTRACT YOU ARE THE BRAINDDEAD SIMP PAYPIGGY!!!

>>60639881 (OP)
you don't "risk your business" after divorce, she just either gets alimony or assets you earned after you got married (because you cucked and didn't get a prenup) or if you have kids she gets child support (no way around this unless you give up custody and even then you can get cucked out of it )

anyone who says otherwise is a literal teenager or a retard who didn't pay enough for their lawyer

either dump her or accept she was probably a gigawhore, either way tell her it's a no from me dog without a prenup outlining
1) zero financial commitment post-marriage
2) any community property must be defined in writing in a contract upon purchase, otherwise it is private property of the buyer

you cannot CANNOT lose assets you owned prior to marriage and you can to lose assets given to you after marriage (inheritance etc) unless you are a retard and get forced to sell them so she can get a BBL and fuck chad in your house after she leaves you

reminder that marriage is amazing but no problems are solved by marriage so if you have doubts no, ON TO THE NEXT ONE

>>60639881 (OP)
No prenup no marriage. Simple as, also prenups are not much of a safety measure. Tons of guys get rekted as they often get thrown out the window.

Best way to protect against divorce rape is have assets in a trust fund or in your parents name

600k to mow the lawn
do burgers really

>>60640206
Even with no contract if you co-inhabit with a women for 3-6 months (depending on state and country) they become considered common law and have same rights as if they are married to you and can take 50% of your stuff

If it's even a concern, don't marry. Find someone middle class to marry instead of lower class (btw you are middle class in case nobody told you).

Look for the daughter of another small business owner who understands how men need to be with their business: that it's not a 9-5 office job where you can just stop thinking about it off the clock.

>>60639881 (OP)
Don't marry her unless a prenuptial. If she won't do that, then tell her that you want to draw up a contract that says she doesn't get whatever or she cant come after whatever. She would agree if she loved you.

>>60640315
no one can "take half your stuff" even after co-living, end this stupid meme

literally no state recognizes that private property becomes community property unless it was gained post-relationship and even then it's usually only lost by the man because he sells the asset because of how expensive it is to get divorced. women don't just get your house because they lived in it for 6 months and then left the relationship. men get wrecked because they put things they buy in both peoples name like a dumbass. or they write a jank prenup with a bad lawyer that obviously won't hold up in court because the language is retarded.

>>60639881 (OP)
What gives men the ick? Whores. Whores do.

>>60640315
that's only the case in 8 states (all republican states)

>>60639881 (OP)
sounds like you need to find a new woman

>>60639881 (OP)
That exact girl begs white chads to use her like a peace of meat

>>60639881 (OP)
Don't fold on this one. Many weak men have folded on prenups over a hole. (You) own the business and are bringing everything to the table. It's a lot easier to replace women than start another business.

Best of luck

Can’t believe no one’s said it yet:

No hymen, no diamond.

>>60639881 (OP)
Wouldn't marry someone if I felt the need to have a prenup. You have trust issues and she's obviously not the right choice.

Or you plan to violate your vows, in which case you know she can't trust you.

>>60640366
You're left with literal children. That's it.

Enjoy being single forever.

>>60640315
People spout the "common law marriage" meme all the time, I should have debunked it in my original post. The requirements are: "Intent to be married: Both parties must intend to be married and not just cohabit. Holding out as married: The couple must present themselves to the public and community as a married couple (e.g., using the same last name, filing joint tax returns, referring to each other as 'husband' or 'wife')."

So, even if the girlfriend attempts to use the "common law marriage" argument in court (assuming you're in a state that recognizes it) you can absolutely fight it and win.

>>60639909
No, real people have mutual give and take consensual sex. Sometimes us women even like do the chasing a little. We like to feel wanted. We like to be touched. We like to be valued. Sex doesn’t happen “to” us. It happens because WE decide we want it and it can be really special in many different ways. And I’m convinced in 2025 most guys not on the internet respect this

>>60639881 (OP)
If you think a prenup will save you lmao, women just say they were forced to sign them and get thrown out all the time

>>60640376
Once you hit upper class you can start networking to reserve a woman for yourself. Middle class is rough because so many families backslide into the lower class. No reason not to date girls at precisely the Age of Consent in your jurisdiction and insist on medical examination for hymen before committing (after courtship obviously).

>>60640161
Prenups get thrown out when they are poorly written and entirely screw over one spouse. A good prenup will still give the wife some kind of alimony, but it will also avoid doing a complete 50/50 split of liquid and non-liquid assets.

>>60639881 (OP)
Put your business in a trust and give the ownership to somebody you would trust above all else (like your mom)
Make sure access to the trust is 100% only for blood relatives of yours. No exceptions

>>60640370
>>60640376
Can’t believe I’m replying to a double posting Reddit faggot who failed to transition but here goes. I’m really sorry that you’re so much of a fucking failure that you’re uncomfortable in your own skin that you have to be in a relationship to find a sense of worth, but I have no problem being single. I would much rather live out the rest of my days in pure solitude (I obviously won’t, I could have any woman I ever wanted) than pretend to be happy with someone who doesn’t fit my preferences. The fact you would suggest that I should just settle down with some complete slut is honestly fucking disgusting. You’re a cuck, it’s not normal and it’s really so gross that it’s so normalized when in reality it’s a fucking mental illness.

>>60640383
You're not a woman lol. Fucking troons

>>60640383
Yeah that's a bunch of shit lmao

>>60639881 (OP)
If she doesn't want the prenup don't marry her.

>>60640370
>Wouldn't marry someone if I felt the need to have a prenup. You have trust issues and she's obviously not the right choice.


Everyone has a prenup. It's either yours or the courthouse's. It's better to write it when you love each other than try to figure it out when you hate each other.

>>60640383
Absolutely, but what you don't understand is that what is also true is a relationship/commitment happens because WE decided we want it. Every single thing you outlined regarding sex, essentially applies to men regarding giving commitment to enter a relationship. However, there is one difference.

Men can get by with solely sex and it'll be just "fulfilling" enough. Hell, even if they can't get it: they'll simply get a stand-in thing for the woman and get by. They'll be fine. Their biological need to fuck is satiated in some way.

Women? Have no equivalency for commitment, which is what they need to feel fulfilled. Women, as creatures primarily driven by emotion, are fucked.

Women "deciding "on sex is as fulfilling in the long-run to them as me being "fulfilled" by going to McDonald's and saying "give me a Big Mac". You just decide to get it and receive it. It satisfies your hunger, but it's not "fulfilling" emotionally. That's why women are fulfilled by relationships, their biological imperative of having a kid, and a partner actually requires them to put forth effort to earn commitment.

This is also why sex in itself is "fulfilling" for men in a way that it isn't for women, precisely because it requires a skillset that women simply don't have.

>>60639881 (OP)
>Doesn't want to sign a prenup
Do you really need a bigger red flag than that?

>>60639881 (OP)
the more men women fuck, the more they think about those guys and compare you to them. Its basic biology where women get to choose who their mate is. They have to be selective. The only time men think about the past women theyve fucked is literally due to "yeah i did that".

Its entirely the womans fault. They get the ick if youre a virgin at 30. When someone builds a gate and its broken into. Do you blame the criminal for breaking in? Or do you blame the manufacturer of that lock that was so easily broken?

who the fuck is marrying in 2025? unless you have kids (and really love them), just don't.

>>60640458
I think you make good points about sex and fulfillment. We like that mental and emotional attachment as well as the physical. But we don’t always need them at the same time. Throughout undergrad, grad school and now my career I’ve been at different places where I’ve need different things. One night stands have been enough (and some dreadful!), long distance relationships have been enough, and sometimes I’ve needed more deeper connections. As I approach 30 I’m not looking for the same thing I was even two years ago. Looks for example are not important to me as stability in a man (especially as I’m thinking of babies in the next five years) But I think the big thing is that sex isn’t something men do to women, it’s something we desire and seek out and take in different ways. I hope that makes since sorry for the blog post

>>60640427
>If she doesn't want the prenup don't marry her.

THIS

marriage is a contract so is a prenup
they come hand in hand
if she dont like it, nevermind her then!

>she WILL screw you over, inb4 divorce-raep!

>>60639881 (OP)
A woman not signing a prenup is her basically saying

>I FULLY intend to completely fuck you over at some point

>>60639881 (OP)
give one of your parents the business and work for them

Before you marry a woman. Ask her two questions.

>Will you sign a prenup?
>Are you for mandatory paternity tests at birth?

Some women are smart enough to lie, but most can't help themselves. If the answer to either or both of these questions is no, you have your answer.

>>60639881 (OP)
Her point makes no sense, but even if it was about 'intimacy' doesn't that make it WORSE? "Intimate" by DEFINITION means few people. You can't be "intimate" with a thousand people. The more people you are "intimate" with the less intimate it is.

>>60639897
You have done this?

>>60640033
I realized the reason 'cuck' as a term caught on so much is because we are all cucks now. We all finance and support our women fucking around.

>>60640494

Again, what you "desire and seek out" is easy to obtain. There is no skill. It's as fulfilling as deciding which restaurant to go to as you're driving. Sometimes you want a high-end meal, sometimes you want something that just tastes good, etc. You "desire and seek out" a delicious meal, but it's not going to be some sort of lasting, emotionally fulfilling experience. So, the fact that "sex isn't something you do to woman" is what has you upset is because you see sex as some sort of empowering, or skillful experience. I'm letting you know that it's not something you're taking the more active role in, it's a passive role.

Ergo, people are saying men "do it" to women, precisely because it took the man a skillset to "do it" that a woman simply doesn't have. You "scoring" a guy boils down to you spreading your legs. That's it. That's the "skill". Men on the other hand have to accrue typically a social, physical, and/or intellectual set of skills to have you "decide" to undergo your skill of spreading your legs, and skillfully saying "here I am". If a guy simply rejects you, how would you woo him? Women do not "score" men, they have no clue, and it's not anything against them... again, they do not need to develop the skillset.

High-value (stable) men read that and have no desire to give commitment. That description you gave of what you've done/experienced in your life is not only more unstable of a path than a "stable man" (precisely because, in an unstable fashion, you have, in your search of what it is that you "want", "experienced" many different men, some of which you yourself have stated were unstable themselves, and therefore it is indicative of a lack of good judgement on your part). That behavior is more masculine than it is feminine.

This is crude, but I have to say it outright: Stable, straight men want a woman who acts like a woman or else they'd be gay. It's the same reason why you have an attraction to men who are...acting like a man.

>>60639881 (OP)
>My fiancee ... was a sorority girl
Then don't fucking marry her.
Prenups go out the window as soon as you get a baby, but even if they didn't, I still wouldn't want to marry a sorority girl.

>>60639881 (OP)
Used goods isn't worth $300k.

>>60640005
most women find it offensive to sign a prenup despite filing for divorce 70% of the time

>>60640646
>If a guy simply rejects you, how would you woo him? Women do not "score" men, they have no clue, and it's not anything against them... again, they do not need to develop the skillset.


This is so true and it's one of the hardest pills for me to swallow. I have to be funny, charming, in shape, confident, and wealthy to get a woman. Women just have to not be fat, and wait for a guy they like to approach them. The few times in my life I've been directly approached by women, it's the most awkward shit on the planet.

The expectations for men and women when it comes to dating are so lopsided that it blows my mind. I just got so buttmad about this that I feel like I could write 100 page essay on why I hate women now lol.

>>60639881 (OP)
Oh you only make 600k?
that's not enough for my beauty
I deserve at least 67 billion USD

>>60640745
My mom owned a business that fell flat because she couldnt figure out how to charge customers to make a profit. She ended up saddling my father with 30k in credit card debt and shit. Then 2008 happened and he lost everything.

She divorced him because accountability is not in a woman's genetic code.

>but you love me right? Why would you need a prenup if you trust me?
Because theres no guarantee women wont think of doing something 5 years into a marriage without thinking about second order effects.

>>60639881 (OP)
Withdraw the offer for a Prenup and withdraw the offer for a marriage and move the fuck on with your life. Someone with as much to lose as you have shouldn’t be marrying some bitch anyways. You can have a girlfriend and kids and all that horseshit without the contracts and government getting involved. Dumb Bastard Lawn Jockey or, good bait.

>>60639881 (OP)

>>60639881 (OP)
Couples that sign a prenup tend not to get divorced. If she's not able to discuss those sorts of heavy topics without a meltdown then she either has ulterior motives or is emotionally mature. Approach it as a sign of your emotional maturity and faith that you have in each other, that you're able to talk about such difficult issues while having faith in each other. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, she's a woman, feed her some bs.

>>60640266
>>60640370
These

>>60640780
Damn it was a bait thread this whole time

>>60640646
Idk. I think most men like experienced women. Not someone who doesn’t know what they are doing in bed! Would you really want a woman giving you toothy blowjobs and lying there like a dead fish? Lots of the sexual encounters I’ve had were preparing me for a healthy sexual b relationship when I’m ready to settle down

>>60640981
What if instead of running through random whores, you and a partner just helped each other get better at sex? People act like sex is fucking difficult to learn when it's just trial and error.

>Inb4 virgin
I got better at sex the same way you did, but I also just could have fucked the same person and gotten the same results.

>>60639881 (OP)
>>60639897
Yes anon definitely tell her what this anon said.

I'm curious though anon, with that work, income and drive that grew your business successfully, a woman like her from what you are saying is easily replaceable. What do you like about her? Is she hot? What makes you think she is marriage material, and why are you even considering marrying her despite her obvious plan to divorce rape you? Because you can attract plenty of hot girls who wouldn't divorce rape you but can cook, clean, bear your children and please you in bed so long as you provide for her. What is special about her that you are even considering caving to her selfish demands? You know she was a sorority girl who liked to party a lot. That's already a red flag. She probably did ride the cock carousel unless you have extensive proof she didn't. With what she said she clearly doesn't respect you or the hard work, blood sweat and tears you put into growing your business and making a good income to provide for a family and comfortable life.

>>60639881 (OP)
>pic
has to be the dumbest take from some whore i've ever seen

>>60639881 (OP)
>What do I do
you know what to do
no prenup no marriage, especially for a whore like her

>>60641290
/thread

>>60640981
>Would you really want a woman giving you toothy blowjobs and lying there like a dead fish?
That "first time" learning process of how to how to have good sex with each other is a bonding experience process that is invaluable, and not replicable.
Going through that and growing more emotionally and physically intimate and mature alongside them for the first time creates a deeper bond than anything else
Toothy blowjobs, dead fish, or for men, being a minuteman or can't find the clit... These are all a natural part of the learning process, and it's extremely important that you share all these moments with each other for the first time...
It's a shame if you can't think of your future wife or husband, look back, and have endearing and nostalgic thoughts; "oh how we grew together"
Now, experiencing these things are not exclusive to virgins, you can still learn and grow with different people, but you will never achieve the full potential because you have been splitting it up between different people instead of giving it to the one you love now. Unable to give everything to the person you claim to so love... a tragic predicament
>>60639881 (OP)
I strongly advise against marriage.
Building off what I've already said, If you do not feel you can trust her with (You)r everything, she is not the one. At the very least you should be marrying someone you feel you can trust - anything less would be a disservice to you, and also your partner. Trust issues like this will destroy any relationship down the line anyways

Even if this is a 1pbtid bait, I wish the best of luck to OP, and anyone else who may face this in the future

>>60640981
> I think most men like experienced women.

Cope harder you disgusting roastie. You are low value

>>60640981
We have now pivoted from the original discussion point.

>>60640033
Well said. Researchers are currently making correlations between infections and cancer (for example, the sexually transmitted disease HPV gives throat cancer) so it may come out in 20 years that this revulsion to promiscuity is something deeper and intuitive.

I always enjoy when somebody else looks at things with this "first time in history" lens. We're a species that has existed for a loooong time and almost nothing from any of that is how things have been in the last 100 years. We must never assume any given thing is normal without verifying it.

>>60639881 (OP)
you probably need to get a tax attorney to put your shit in a trust, it probably needs to be established for a couple years before you get married, and there are some states you should avoid completely. might be cheaper to just get a fucking surrogate

>>60640981

We're now getting away from your point now that it has been addressed.

That being said, I'll entertain it. We'll move into something completely different. So, sure....plenty will settle for those women, sure. I'm not so sure that you will be happy with those men in the long-run nor that they are ultimately what you are seeking.

I say this as a stable man that is set with his net worth, who is in his mid 30s, who not only has one, but two long-term, live-in girlfriends, they have been with me for over seven and three years respectively, with their body counts prior to me being 1 and 0, respectively, are aged 9 and 8 years younger than me, also, respectively.

In my single years, "experienced" women were only for one thing: practice. For the ones who matter.

Again, you're engaging in masculine behavior. It is the opposite of feminine behavior.

Men who are stable in life and stable within themselves mentally will not seek out women like you for commitment. Only for the one thing you offer: your body. And that's it. I wish you good luck

I got second hand stress reading this thread, the cards are stacked against men so bad, I'm amazed men still get married in this day and age.

We're now getting away from your point now that it has been addressed.

That being said, I'll entertain it. We'll move into something completely different. So, sure....plenty will settle for those women, sure. I'm not so sure that you will be happy with those men in the long-run nor that they are ultimately what you are seeking.

I say this as a stable man that is set with his net worth, who is in his mid 30s, who not only has one, but two long-term, live-in girlfriends, they have been with me for over seven and three years respectively, with their body counts prior to me being 1 and 0, respectively, are aged 9 and 8 years younger than me, also, respectively. I assure you that they're absolutely fine in bed.

In my single years, "experienced" women were only for one thing: practice. For the ones who matter.

Again, you're engaging in masculine behavior. It is the opposite of feminine behavior.

Men who are stable in life and stable within themselves mentally will not seek out women like you for commitment. Only for the one thing you offer: your body. And that's it. I wish you good luck

>>60640981
We're now getting away from your point now that it has been addressed.

That being said, I'll entertain it. We'll move into something completely different. So, sure....plenty will settle for those women, sure. I'm not so sure that you will be happy with those men in the long-run nor that they are ultimately what you are seeking.

I say this as a stable man that is set with his net worth, who is in his mid 30s, who not only has one, but two long-term, live-in girlfriends, they have been with me for over seven and three years respectively, with their body counts prior to me being 1 and 0, respectively, are aged 9 and 8 years younger than me, also, respectively. I assure you that they're absolutely fine in bed.

In my single years, "experienced" women were only for one thing: practice. For the ones who matter.

Again, you're engaging in masculine behavior. It is the opposite of feminine behavior.

Men who are stable in life and stable within themselves mentally will not seek out women like you for commitment. Only for the one thing you offer: your body. And that's it. I wish you good luck

>>60641518
isn't marriage a historic religious institution? why the fuck would non-religious people get married anyway?

>>60639897
pre-nups are often challenged in court. do you trust the court system?

the answer is to move your assets and wealth into things she can't get even in a divorce. do some research.

>>60639881 (OP)
the fact that courts and the legal system and government have ANYTHING to do with a romantic religious (why do atheists even get married anyway?) ceremony should be a major red flag for you. At best it could be considered an outdated practice from our tribal days centuries past. Look into the evolution of marriage. 99.9% of people who ever lived weren't married to anyone. It was for kings until it became a commodified hobby for consumers (heavily advertised to women).

>>60640494
>As I approach 30 I’m not looking for the same thing I was even two years ago. Looks for example are not important to me as stability in a man (especially as I’m thinking of babies in the next five years)


you're not beating any allegations of "I'm about to hit 30 and lose my "youth" card and had my fun riding the cock carousel so I am ready to settle down now".

>>60640746
>The expectations for men and women when it comes to dating are so lopsided that it blows my mind. I just got so buttmad about this that I feel like I could write 100 page essay on why I hate women now lol.

Imagine growing up with an older sister who's objectively gorgeous. Growing up with her has given me insight to just how powerful female beauty is. I walk down the street and hail up the typical guys in my neighborhood. I barely get any responses. She walks down the street and they're beaming, making sure she's alright and making light small talk. She lives a completely different world than me despite being in the same vicinity. So it's kind of hard to take her seriously at times since she's not going to ever have my frame of reference the way I can see her world since it automatically overrides mine.

>>60639881 (OP)
OP, I'm a lawyer and I want to give you some brief advice. Absolutely do NOT rely on a prenup. Judges can throw it out the window if they determine that the wife has contributed enough to the marriage and/or sacrificed income in order to support you. Just a fair warning. She doesn't like the right one for you, I'd tread water carefully.

>>60639909
>Girls keep trying to act like they fucked someone but it's really they got fucked by someone or they let someone fuck them
True. It's funny how women and feminism try to take ownership of sex positivity but deep down everyone knows it's the man who fucks the girl and marks her as his own like >>60639991 said. Women can never fuck a lot of guys and wear it as a badge of honor, it's a mark of shame worn on her forehead. Men are disgusted and repulsed by women with high body counts. The only ones that "don't mind" that she has fucked a lot of guys, only say that because they want in on the action and want to fuck her and dump her to the side as well. No one wants to marry a whore.

>>60639881 (OP)
I did pic related with every girl I have been so far. Its crazy what they will tell you when you act like the more she haf the better. Fucking whores, man.

>>60641821
Please share some stories, anon. You're like an undercover agent infiltrating female degeneracy. What did you uncover?

>>60640383
>most guys not on the internet
retard

>>60642137
what i hate the most when they talk about x without even being asked.
it just means the still think about them and compare you, willingly or subconsciously. or when they say "my father used to work this and that why you wont"

>>60642295
I am utterly disgusted by women who have slept with a lot of men. It's beyond disgusting and they should have the number stamped permanently on their forehead, updated every time they discard their dignity and fuck another guy. Fucking sluts, man.

>>60642541
yeah roastie sluts are only good for shagging, then dump! cant take them serious at all.

>>60640981
Retard take.
My ex was a virgin and within two months she was swallowing my cock and rimming my ass while I was fucking her tits. Meanwhile the 100s of sluts I've met at bars and fucked has been the most boring sex I've ever had. I'd rather have a girl that no man has touched and train her myself than having some whore with a semen-graveyard between her legs that doesnt have the ability to love (because shes a whore) and will break up with you the second she is bored for one day.

>>60641630
No. Marriage was a transfer of property. A father transfered his property rights over the woman to her husband. Now women are no longer property in a marriage, so marriage is just an expensive ceremony that makes sure the woman can fuck off with your paycheck.

>>60639881 (OP)
The greatest power a man has in life is the ability & willingness to walk away.

>>60640176
>all men know how other men are, and how utterly worthless, improvident, disgusting, and leaderless most are.
These are true words.

>>60639881 (OP)
Talk to a lawyer, see if there is a way to set it up within a (legal) trust so that it cannot ever be considered a commingled marital asset.

JUST DONT GET MARRIED AT THIS YEAR ANYMORE
MEN CAN ONLY LOSE WHILE ROASTIES ARE SO ENTITILED OVER EVERYTHING

Unless you have kids or plan to have them immediately, don't marry. There's literally zero benefit.

> t. married for fucking almost 10 years now holy shit

>>60639881 (OP)
The prenup is the only male version of the shit test that matters. It indicates she is more invested in financially using you than in the relationship (shocker, I know). You need to break up with her. You need to remain unmarried. This is imperative. It's okay to have baby mommas but being actually married is too dangerous for men. Don't feel bad. You didn't change the marriage laws. Women did. Do not let a woman ruin your life like my friend who lost everything and is now suicidal at 45 because of a woman.

60640383(denied)

>>60640370
You are dancing I'm a mine field.

>>60639881 (OP)
no prenup no marriage. simple as.

Higher body counts are actually worse if every single one is some kind of "intimate" experience. Shows how cheap and fleeting their sense of connection and intimacy is. At least men just forget about their body count when they find someone they care about.

>>60640303
Yes. Now cry about it or get in on it

>>60641740
Can't this study be disproven by saying all women carry male DNA anyways? I didn't see anything where they found different DNA material

>>60639881 (OP)
>le heckin shared experience

>>60643778

Kek never in all of human history has this stopped a woman from cutting off a man that no longer fulfills her standards and requirements. If anyone sticks with anyone for nostalgia's sake it's usually a man.

>>60640362
OP listen to this nigga. Your discipline got you to where you are now. Stay in control.

>>60639881 (OP)
>doesn’t want to sign a prenup

Retired psychologist here. When people say negative things about themselves either directly, or by "psychologizing" that is improper universalizing hence tacit self-inclusion/confession through projection/gaslighting ('EVERYBODY is out to take what they can' or as in OP post picrel), or simple implicit actions/refusals to act (as here), believe them.

She is honest, what libertarian author Robert Ringer calls a Type 1: She says she will screw you over, because she intends to and WILL screw you over.

She just told you she intends to divorce-rape you.

Believe her.

Don't try to fix, excuse, or convince her. She has in effect told you that anything she does/says from here on in is to screw you over. Her friends seem to confirm it and that she acts in a way that shows she devalues men as suckers prey to her psychologizing BS.

I repeat: She just told you she intends to divorce-rape you.

Believe her.

Good luck, OP.

>>60640326
but you would agree to marry without all that if you truly loved her and trust her, otherwise it means you don't. You distrust her already, imagine when the honeymoon phase is over, why even bother getting married then? do a 360 from the relationship and get out

>>60643835

Nope, because things can change. Marriage is contractual now and nothing changes that. Ask her if she'd accept a religious marriage without any binding state contract. She'd say no... exactly. Women lie when they say they don't consider the security and leverage of the state being involved. As it's contractual a prenup contract makes perfect sense.

>>60639881 (OP)
just dump her, if she wont sign a prenup she definitely wants your neck on a chopping block when she's done with you.

Marriage isn't actually as dangerous as people think in most of the country

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/common-law-property.asp

If you're in a non community property law state a prenup isn't really necessary. Just keep your accounts in your own name and avoid comingling funds anywhere. Also never disclose your net worth to anyone, friends or family, nothing good comes of that.

>>60639881 (OP)
>she used to party a lot in college
C
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>>60643870
yeah dont marry that cock sucking master champion

>>60643853
>Things can change
of coarse sweaty, regrettably
>Ask her if she'd accept a religious marriage without any binding state contract
if you are some muslim arab loaded on money pretty sure women don't have a problem with that, lol. Most cases, well, why would they do it? they'll withdraw sex the moment they get married just for fucking lulz. Women have a problem or a natural predisposition on fulfilling their part of the bargain
I've been reading some replies here, marriage is a contract and is already a "prenup" in a sense, lol. So is in your best interest to negotiate some conditions so you don't get assraped that hard at least

>>60639881 (OP)
I didn't realize you were forced to marry her bro.

>>60640336
Oh my sweet summer child

>>60640161
nigga they only get throw out if both sides dont have representation.

>>60639881 (OP)
HE WANTS TO MARRY IN 2025.

Are you retarded, I also run a business under 30 & the idea of marrying any of my girlfriends (yes multiple currently) is TERRIFYING.

They are so FUCKING STUPID as human beings, how could you TRUST them with your money. Might as well share the companies networth with your janitor fucking retard.

Unless a woman is deeply religious, what is the point in marrying her? Like if you marry a devout, religious, traditional woman, the ceremony and title of husband and wife will have a deeper meaning to it. Maybe she'll think twice about divorce.

But for a modern areligious woman, marriage means they get a fancy rock on their finger, the title of 'wife' (used for social clout), an excuse to spend a ton of your money on a wedding, and a chance to steal half your shit if she wants to end it. There's no reason not to divorce when something better comes along or she gets bored. Shit can follow you for a long time too, my dad's ex wife sued him over 30 years after they divorced for part of his pension, from a job that was entirely outside the time they were married.

>>60643922

Yes, since marriage has already become contractual, the idea that a prenup addendum is "weird" is patently deceitful. It's part of the contract that already exists and that women are already trying to present to you. Marriage used to be religious and socially enforced, not state enforced. It became toxic the moment the state became involved and turned it into a feminist inversion of control scheme.

>>60644657

That is another thing women have no answer for. I talk to my fiance about it all the time. Marriage without God or children is literally meaningless, and I mean downright meaningless, perverse even since it's just a one sided shower of gifts and celebration for a selfish bride. Traditional marriage HAS meaning, implications, and consequences. It IS religiously binding for life, it DOES establish a wife as the husband's charge and dependent (and she must submit to him), it DOES lay the groundwork for a successful family, kids are implied, a father's authority is implied. The fact that we try to larp as married without any of this is in violation of the original concept of marriage. These aren't marriages, they're satanic skinsuits of it.

>>60639881 (OP)
Kek at that cope in the pic. "Not intimacy" my fucking ass that whore is just a whore trying to make excuses for her behavior. Why do they always refuse to admit their wrongdoings?

As for you thing. I would've dumped her the moment I heard she was in a soroity. I refuse to marry a non virgin. Simple as that. With how much wealth you have it sounds extra concerning to take that risk with a women like that.

>>60643835
If I truly loved and she truly loved, then this convo is retarded thrice. We wouldn't be in this pretend world anyways.

>>60639897
>Don't be a pussy
Yeah, except the whole marriage will start on the premise that the man doesn't trust her.
Which seems to be the case anyway if he wants to go with a prenup, thus leading to the following the question... Why marrying her?

Do you have a mum i dont just put everything inportant in haer name with or without the prenup

>>60640981
No, high value men want a high value woman which means a virgin. Experience is not valuable. A newbie can be trained - sex is not hard. It is the passion and transcendence of sharing intimacy for the first time that is precious and you have thrown that away. It's gone.
This seems to be your first time on the internet, so I'll break it to you quickly: you are low value and used goods. A man who respects himself and has much to offer will not settle for the likes of you.
t. Upper class 30s guy who is /fit/

>>60640405
This

>>60640383
tits or gtfo

>>60639881 (OP)
>because I heard from friends she used to party a lot in college she was a sorority girl.
She's 100% in it for the divorce rape money, never trust a slut (they are lower than whores, because at least whores charge a fee to use their bodies whereas sluts do it for free).

>>60643706
> Male microchimerism was not infrequent in women without sons. Besides pregnancies, other possible sources of male microchimerism include unrecognized spontaneous abortion, vanished male twin, an older brother transferred by the maternal circulation, or sexual intercourse.

Is this what you're referring to? This describes how women would receive male DNA. It doesn't come out of nowhere.

>>60646046
I was talking about accounting for y chromosomes. What DNA are they looking at? is this all separate dna? Could they figure out a woman with 3 vs 5 dicks dumped?

>>60644280
Are you an adulterer too?

>>60644960
Logically, genetically, and biologically this makes sense. If humans could see tainted souls i would guess the dating game and lots of other stupid crap would change. Whores arent devalued in other categories they just devalue themselves from people who dont want whores. Also people dont like whores as a long term prospect. Super simple concept.

>>60640383
Thats not the way men see sex. Men dont see sex with women as them choosing the male to have sex with them. You put sex on this pedestal. You make it sound like the only thing you bring to the table realistically is a wet hole. Which by interacting with you well...

>60646782
>like the only thing you bring to the table realistically is a wet hole.

cunts... i mean thats what they basically do!
>walking cum dumpsters

>>60639881 (OP)
This post feels like bait

>>60640383
It is true women are the ones who have to allow the lock to be opened but once penetrated the situation changes. Women are the gatekeepers, but once the man is inside the dynamic changes

>>60646833
checked
nice dynamics

>>60639881 (OP)
a prenup discussion does like this

- what's mine is mine
- what's yours is yours
- what's ours is ours

for tje 1st (keep in your surname), for second put in her name and for C put in combined surname. go to a lawyer and capture above in writing. $2500 tops and save your self much pain later on.

if you cannot have this conversation and come to an agreement before getting married then good luck on your divorce when en route to family court w/ jew lawyers circling and tyrone boning your wifey twice a week

>>60639881 (OP)
A wise man once said 'never let a bitch get between you and your money'.

>>60640315
It's 6 years and you have to present yourselves publicly as married.

>>60647238
kek

go visit WA sometime bro and get educated

>>60647222
checked
>>60647238
depends on country/state/jurisdiction

>inb4 all dirty cunts and they know it!

>>60640981
Gays like you are the biggest golddiggers on Earth and even put women to shame.

>>60639970
I used to agree with you, but after almost 40 years, I realize the future can bring things you never imagined. A prenup is a hedge against loosing something dear to circumstances you couldn't have forseen.

>>60647309
A woman's love for you can be as real as the moon and as intense as the sun. But nothing...and I mean NOTHING can keep her from one day turning on a dime and changing her mind. Dudes don't realize that their brains are simply wired different from ours.

>>60639881 (OP)
If youre too pussy to tell her no with your whole life on the line you're already ngmi.

>Either sign the paper or kick rocks, bitch.

Simple as.

>>60645051
Only correct response. JFC, what happened to this place?

>>60639881 (OP)
Yeah if real you already know the fucking answer. Love is special, but honestly, you can find other women. You’re never going to find another 600k self made company. Don’t risk it over a sorority girl, the only arguments against prenups are malicious, idiotic, or emotional, and emotional can be dealt with.

>>60639881 (OP)
>1pbtid
>people are still replying

>>60639881 (OP)
the right woman will understand. the wrong woman will make it a problem. it depends what your marriage is built on. it doesn't matter if you stay married it only matters if things fall apart. she may try to turn it on you about if you really loved her etc etc. that's a red flag. If youre not gonna ditch her just play her game right back (a language that kind of woman understands) and say that it works both ways and she can take it or leave it and you don't have to get married.

>>60639881 (OP)
dude she's gonna cheat on you. You need to ditch the girl and buy XRP. Don't be dumb.

>>60641809
not only this but women feel disgusted with themselves because they "got fucked" and act like they're girl bosses but actually feel like their soul is dying. they will lie and say this isn't true but it is and it's obvious.

Whens the last time you got laid anons? Tell the truth.

>>60639881 (OP)
Structure your business as a series of shell companies/trusts. On paper you have no assets, but still control the business, and it pays you a monthly allowance

>>60639881 (OP)
I will only not care about a woman's bodycount when it comes to dating or marriage if she puts out without any expectations or demands about me paying for dates or being a provider. If she is ran through and says no to casual sex because she is trying to weaponize it against me to get something in return, like being a provider or paying for things, why would I work hard for something other men got for free and without much effort? No one likes to feel like they're being taken advantage of.

>>60639881 (OP)
>because I heard from friends she used to party a lot in college she was a sorority girl.
why are you dating her? Why not just date a girl in college or about to go to college and get her before she goes through her slut phase

>>60640315
>if you co-inhabit
seems to be easy to circumvent via having your real official address not be the place you actually life everyday, but dont tell anyone in public that
then proof i lived together with you, you of course always had a no pictures of my face on social media position

>>60639970
You're either incredibly naive or incredibly retarded. Still in high school?

>>60647515
Simps.