Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

Monero payments are anonymous, low-fee by design and fully fungible, meaning users can send XMR globally without issue and receive XMR without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain. Thus by default, the TX history of all Monero users is kept hidden from the prying eyes of adversaries, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

Monero algorithmically ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

Monero's bespoke mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

Monero's tail emission - 0.6 XMR every block forever - financially incentives for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation asymptotically trends to zero and is offset somewhat by a steady rate of coin loss.

Monero has thus far proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. Monero is now also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well. See below.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.


XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Resources: https://libereco.xyz/resources/

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO BUY XMR: https://i.imgur.com/XdppsQ7.png
Crypto ATMs: see kycnot.me

>MINING
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official GUI/CLI
Featherwallet

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>60628797

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about. Don't be a HODLtard.

https://archive.is/YBnPG
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me
https://unstoppableswap.net
http://basicswapdex.com


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>How to *safely* acquire, store and spend XMR

An optimal XMR user set-up involves 2 separate wallets: an offline cold wallet (savings account) and an online hot wallet (chequing account) for everyday spending. XMR amounts larger than a few hundred dollars worth should not be stored on a hot wallet for obvious reasons. So ideally, you'll want to direct all payments/donations to your cold wallet by default and then transfer smaller amounts over to your hot wallet as necessary.

Relying on 3rd party hardware wallets comes with certain security caveats so they are not recommended. Instead, its surprisingly easy to engineer a very robust storage solution yourself using readily available hardware: a laptop and a smartphone.

>Laptop

This will be running Featherwallet and must be *permanently* disabled from ever connecting to the internet again! That means physically removing the M.2 Bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and gumming up the ethernet port with superglue.

OS should be Linux rather than Windows, preferably a Debian-based lightweight distro. Encrypting the relevant user directory with LUKS is recommended but not essential.

It must have a functional webcam.


>Smartphone

This can be your primary device. It will host both your hot wallet e.g. Cake, Monerujo, etc and the NERO view-only wallet that is paired with your laptop.

To set everything up: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

NOTE: if you don't have a laptop you can use another smartphone and install the ANON wallet onto it, its essentially the same thing but with somewhat weaker security guarantees. Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno

>In a nutshell

- you accept all (substantial) payments to your cold wallet.
- you monitor incoming payments on NERO.
- you initiate the transfer of funds from your cold wallet to hot wallet on NERO and sign the TX on your laptop via QR codes.
- you spend the funds and help grow the XMR economy.


FYI this is the most secure storage solution currently available.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

***** DISCLAIMER *****

The creator of this thread actively discourages holding Monero. We, the broader community of Monero, do not agree with him. Buying and holding Monero is a completely legitimate way to participate in the protocol and we encourage you to save your wealth in XMR.

XMR is THE best store of value in the world. Not only is it highly scarce, it is entirely untraceable by any third party. No other store of value, including Bitcoin, provides the ability to anonymously hold your wealth anywhere in the world. Armed with only your seed phrase, you can literally take your private bank account anywhere without the consent or permission of anyone. It is like having an invisible stockpile of gold only you know about.

Privacy will be increasingly rare in the coming years, but the supply of Monero will barely increase. Many people understand that Monero represents the most undervalued asset in the world.

***ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER***

The creator of this thread has been credibly accused of being a federal agent, unironically. He actively pushes all potential holders of Monero away unless they agree with only using XMR in bartering scenarios. He will use straw manning tactics against anyone who advocates for saving their wealth in XMR. Anyone suggesting that Monero can preserve and hide their wealth will be called a "grifter", "moonfag", or any of several other slurs intended to end the conversation.

These tactics support the state apparatus directly by denying Monero the notoriety it deserves. Widespread use of Monero, especially through wealth preservation, starves the state of key financial information and tax farming. Pretending there is only one "legitimate" use of Monero (bake sales at Porcfest) while shunning any other uses foments fake division, a favorite strategy of the intelligence community.

Remember that many authors (W.R. Mogg, The Sovereign Individual) predict that states will get increasingly "nasty" as private currencies threaten their power of surveillance. This author has strategically installed himself as the self-appointed "leader" of Monero on this board, but has no such authority to tell you how to use the best currency ever invented.

>>60659803

All moonfags should absolutely migrate to the XMR Moonfag General to enoy a regular fix of totally rational price predictions and exciting lambo-related discourse.

Be sure to give Mavrick our regards lol

>>60659729 (OP)
Monero is just used as a utility. You fags are all moon boys. Kys

>>60659803
>>60659808
Fuck off back to your containment thread, nigger.

FYI this is a hostile takeover attempt by a pack of scheming moonfags likely headed by that Mavrick fed on Twitter. Simply ignore and carry on.

>>60659803
>>60659808
Thanks for appending two long schizo posts on top of 7 long OP posts at the beginning of each thread

>>60659936
OP is a fed. I remember these threads being way more active before he drove off anyone not willing to drink his Kool aid. He deserves to be called out

>>60659944
The OP is a thread maker

>>60659948
Whoever wrote the OPs then, drowns out dissent with faggy react images, and posts at least 50 times a thread, most of it the same recycled garbage

REAL THREAD

>>60658709
>>60658709
>>60658709

>>60659959
But Ive been saying for years that these threads were botted to hell. I knew it with how they get bumped with a stupid "hew goys, how do I do X" or a pic of Monero chan right before 404ing. Super gay and glows besides. OP is a fed

>>60659944
>>60659959
>>60659992
>>60659994
You have your moonfag general now, go away.

Why did the price pump in May?

>>60659944
>>60659959
>>60659994

>>60660124
The Porcfest boomers sold 100 cookies at the bake sale

>>60660124
>Why did the price pump in May?

Honestly, with the market being as deranged as it is, nobody can know for sure. Monero is slowly growing its profile through positive word of mouth and an undeniable network effect so it is very likely things will only get better with time.

>>60660139
>The Porcfest boomers sold 100 cookies at the bake sale

Yes, keep mocking the hard work of others, that'll totally boost your street cred here.

>>60660136
>GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT THANK YOU CIA BOSSMAN FOR THE ADDITION OF NEW GAY REACT IMAGES I CAN BTFO THE GOYIM WITH

>>60660163
>>GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT THANK YOU CIA BOSSMAN FOR THE ADDITION OF NEW GAY REACT IMAGES I CAN BTFO THE GOYIM WITH

Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness by any chance?

>>60660167
>GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT LEVEL ONE PSYOP INEFFECTIVE SWITCHING TO QUOTE OPPONENTS ENTIRE POST PLUS AD HOMINEM PROTOCOL

>>60660155
I still don't get this obsession with Porcfest.

>>60660247

Well, apparently, busting your ass and and selling stuff for XMR at Porcfest (and elsewhere) is pointless in comparison to spamming "$10K XMR soon WAGMI" all over social media lol

And you're a fed if you disagree lmao

>>60659729 (OP)
does anyone here arbitrage on retoswap? How hard is it getting money back into a bank account without getting flagged or reported to the IRS ?

>>60660356
>How hard is it getting money back into a bank account without getting flagged or reported to the IRS ?

There's a $10K per day reporting threshold for *cash* deposits but this isn't the case for bank wires, though that doesn't mean wires go unnoticed. Large or unusual wires, especially multiple just-under thresholds can still trigger scrutiny. So no, there's no "free pass" for wires, you just fall under different oversight thresholds and rules.

So if you need to be sure, the safer route is buying something with XMR that you can easily flip for cash on Craigslist or whatever. Really all depends on what sums we're talking about here.

>>60660356
A common flag trigger is structuring (breaking up deposits to avoid $10000 reporting) so don't think breaking up a large tx into many smaller ones will make you less visible, if anything it'll attract more scrutiny. You also need a plausible explanation if the bank calls and asks about the nature of account activity and if they don't like or believe what you're telling them, they'll file a suspicious activity report. Honestly, just avoid dealing with banks altogether if possible. Spend crypto directly where possible or,buy gift cards and cash out when necessary. It takes some getting used to but it is doable.

>>60659729 (OP)
Ive never owned any monero, i just thought it was btc+. When i learned more i started mining lol

Why are people trying to create division amongst monero fans? Moon vs not moon, wtf does it matter? And why do you all take the bait like starved niggers on crack? Its just as inorganic as the xrp vs link «feud» nobody cares. Besides, nerdy homos on biz arent social enough creatures to feel the need to belong to a side in a feud. Kys with this division shit. Might work on social media, but not on a kongolese banana tapping forum

>>60660701
Things were pretty chill until recently when the moonboys showed up and began insisting that the laser focus on increasing spending in the Monero economy is hurting adoption, which makes no sense. The whole thing is retarded, I just want the old vibe back.

>>60659729 (OP)
>2025
>seriously shilling for people to invest in XMR
Qubic is going to mog your hot potato money into the ground. AI is the future whether you like or not, and Qubic is the supreme asset that powers the future.
>This is where blockchain stops being just finance — and starts thinking.

For me, it's this general.

>>60660124
it's a result of just one criminal being smart once in a blue moon and preferring monero over snitchcoins. imagine if this happened more.
cointelegraph com/news/zachxbt-330m-btc-heist-xmr-surge-chainalysis-privacy-crypto
beincrypto com/monero-xmr-money-laundering
www.dlnews com/articles/markets/xmr-soars-as-suspected-hacker-purchases-millions-in-tokens

>>60660148
>w-who can know in this heckin deranged clown market!
>price is totally irrational and without heckin reason!
geeeeeeeg he's buckbroken by moonchads!

https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/organized-crime-crypto/
Imagine if these professional niggers gained some crypto sophistication.

>>60660701
D&c cointelpro shills. You can tell because they aren't interested in doing things that would influence a price increase, they just want to switch the topic of discussion from the tech, using the coin to buy/sell/save, etc. As if all of us posting XMR $1K EOY will make our dreams come true or something.
Who they work for isn't important, but MoneroFagrick seems to be suspect #1.

>>60661383
qrd on this maverick?

>>60659729 (OP)
never bought monero, but i'm interested just because I really, really hate glowies.
How I could use monero in 6 or 7 years?, people would actually use monero? what is the goal?

>>60661449
i bought and sold items, both physical and digital (but mostly digital) on monero's version of ebay: moneromarket. now it's xmrbazaar. i bought VPN and VPS too. i also use monero to save money. in my shithole everyone does it with USD but i save in XMR. what would you do with untraceable internet money?

in 6-7 years? monero would have deployed the upcoming upgrades like FCMP++ and the new address scheme. technical FUD is already weak, but FCMP++ puts the nail in the coffin. quantum resistance would probably be next on the roadmap. also in that many years i hope dex like retoswap would be more developed and have more liquidity. i hope more goods and services are sold with monero. i hope the price (specifically the floor) keeps rising as more people agree having private internet money is good.

so don't just buy monero, list all you're willing to part with on xmrbazaar too.

>>60661497
hey man, thanks for answering me, I have just one more question sorry.
I enter the links on the general and i'm interested in mining, but i'm gonna be honest...I don't know shit about coding, I only know how BTC mining works because of years and years of repetition, can I know if it's too hard to mine Monero? or it would be more easy to just bought monero and that's all?, Sorry for dumb questions, but I've been watching monero years ago and always thought it was interesting.

>>60661432
https://xcancel.com/MoneroMavrick/

This cycle's ErCiccione, except this time it's a white nationalist moonfag grifter who hasn't worked on anything notable. His crew doesn't seem to be old enough to even know what Porcfest is.

>>60660701
Nobody is creating division except the OP actually. He absolutely refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of any type of Monero holder except those who “need it” for transactions immediately.

He wouldn’t even let someone else make a thread. The other thread was made first and the OP still went out of his way to create another general. Just because the other one mentioned price. Who the fuck does that???

>>60661583
>claiming everyone who disagrees with me is Maverick
Just silly. You have no idea how many people have been pushed away by these PORCFEST boomers.

The focus on Porcfest is because these boomers love that stupid event. It’s basically burning man for lolbertarians and is full of disgusting and ugly people. Just look at the retarded speakers other than Ross and a couple others. But the boomers legitimately believe they’re going to sell some cookies at Porcfest as a stepping stone to the creation of a trillion dollar circular economy. It’s a pie in the sky idiocy that only people who do drugs while camping in the woods and dancing to shitty music could believe. Porcfest is little just a dumber version of those week long EDM raves with uglier people but our “leaders” on this board think it’s important.

>>60661511
mining:
>run monero node (pruned is fine)
>run p2pool (decentralized mining pool connects to your node)
>run xmrig (the miner connects to your p2pool)
there is a GUI app that combines p2pool and xmrig called gupax but i haven't used it.

>>60661511
Just downloaded xmrig, it's a standalone program, use their wizard to set it up. Starting out, don't worry about a node, p2pool, or any of that shit.
https://xmrig.com/

>>60661511
https://gupax.io/guide/
Mining is pretty easy, but might not be worth it (financially) unless your energy is very cheap. Another option is to sell goods or services, for example on xmrbazaar. If you have stuff to sell and only need a little every now and then this is a good method of acquiring Monero. Outright buying Monero or swapping from other cryptos is also possible of course. Litecoin works well for this because it's cheap.
>>60661583
He definitely sounds like a moonfag grifter but it looks like his shop actually does accept Monero at least.

>>60659992
THE BOOMERS LITERALLY GOT THE OTHER THREAD DELETED

This is fucking war you faggots I’m never going to stop posting in your threads now

I am never leaving these threads now. You have permanently destroyed any possibility of reconciliation.

I will be posting ENDLESS moonboy content. ENDLESS charts and price predictions. How fucking dare you faggots

You said all last thread that things would be fine if we self segregated. Even though I didn’t agree with that, I still believed you would hold true to it.

You HAD to post another general even though the other one was created first. You HAD to get it deleted because it hurt your feelings. Who the fuck do you think you are? It’s all happening here then. Get fucking ready you FAGGOTS

>>60661829
we must increase monero price immediately to btfo these boomers. TO. THE. MOON!

YO BROS check out this awesome article. $1000 END OF MONTH????

https://stealthex.io/blog/can-monero-reach-1000-xmr-price-prediction/

Who cares about all the circular economy stuff KEK

We’re here to make MONEY YO LOOK AT THE CHART FUCKING UP ONLYYYYYYYYYYY

lmao

This shit is fucking PRIMED FOR TAKE OFF

Hey here’s a totally appropriate article for the /biz/ - Business & Finance board

https://coinpedia.org/price-prediction/xmr-monero-price-prediction/amp/

You guys think $1000 EOM or EOD HAHA

kek meltie

>>60661676
>He definitely sounds like a moonfag grifter but it looks like his shop actually does accept Monero at least.

Which is why I don't think this has anything to do with him. He's not specifically anti-agorism like this dude

>>60661614
>You have no idea how many people have been pushed away by these PORCFEST boomers.

This could be said about monerochan art and drug cartels and CSAM enjoyers that are at least adjacent to the monero community. "Noooo those guys are weird!" Has always been a d&c scare tactic meant to prevent the community from growing past a certain point.

>It’s a pie in the sky idiocy that only people who do drugs while camping in the woods and dancing to shitty music could believe
You shouldn't give a fuck about what these people believe as long as they're buying their drugs with xmr.

I think we need an addendum to the OP posts to cover all the recent articles about price predictions for 2025. Don’t worry I’ll put it together

>>60661954
I wouldn’t give a shit except they gatekeep Monero and prevent other types of holders from having an impact on the culture.

So fuck them this is war. I’m posting nonstop moonboy stuff

Good morning (say it back)

>>60661968
Always a good morning when Monero about to crack ATH

>>60661968
gm saar monero 1000 EOY

>>60661968
helo

>>60661994
Yo bro how much $$$ you gonna make when Monero TAKES OFF TO THE MOON

>>60661998
>not selling only to buy back more monero

What color is your lambo going to be once this happens?

Me? I’m thinking orange OBVIIIIII

>>60662033
lol several resistances reclaimed (hopefully)

Seriously. Have you ever seen a more bullish chart?????????

>>60661829
>>60661852
>>60661864
>>60661880
>>60661893
>>60661910
>>60661934
>>60661942
>>60661962
>the Porcfest boomers are out to get me help!
LMAO

>>60661962
>I wouldn’t give a shit except they gatekeep Monero and prevent other types of holders from having an impact on the culture.
You can't gatekeep a permissionless decentralized blockchain any more than you can gatekeep piratebay. If you want to post moonboy content, go ahead. Clearly no one can stop you if they tried. I for one actually hope you're successful so that we can these miners can actually turn a profit.

>>60662071
>Clearly no one can stop you if they tried
They just got the fucking so called “containment” thread deleted. And they try to socially enforce the Porcfest agorism bullshit by shouting down anyone who disagrees.

But I’m not going to be shouted down. This culture will change on this board even if I have to do it myself. Fucking hate these boomer faggots

>>60661954
>anti-agorism
It's not anti agorism, it's anti agorism only. Agorism is fine, but let people talk about their own Monero adjacent interests without whining that they aren't being Holocausted fast enough or spamming your gay react images

>>60661829
How the fuck did these people get that thread deleted anyway? There was nothing off topic about it. It was a fucking general XMR thread?

>>60659729 (OP)
Bump

>the fucking meltdown
kek

>>60662139
Seems like they brought it on themselves by deleting competing threads?

>>60662134
Mods here also kept deleting the MONEROCHAN (meme coin) threads. And I'm not sure about /biz/ but on some boards only a single general per topic is allowed. I doubt it has anything to do with posters here.

>>60662134
>>60662149
>>60662164
>they don't know about the 4chan gold accounts' elevated functions
how new?

>>60662134
It could be one of two things. Jannies deleted it due to duplicate threads or they used bots/VPNs to mass report, causing the thread to be auto deleted. Second option is unlikely, though they do use bots to post and bump these generals

>>60662169
The other thread was created first. If anything was a "duplicate" thread it's this one

>>60662134
Jannies likely pegged it as a duplicate. The disclaimers and sperging out didn't help things either.

>>60662186
Oh please, the jannies are fine with overt advertising of drug markets and these threads being bumped by no text image bots, it's not like they have standards. That or op is also a jannie

>>60662186
The disclaimers are this thread.

There’s literally no reason to have kept this thread over the other one kek. The other one was first, had just normal posts in it. This is the one with all the infighting

>>60662198
The disclaimers only confirm that you're trying to pull off a hostile takeover of an established general board, it's so blatant. Jannies tend to default to seniority and you autists have none, you showed up yesterday. Next time pick another name like XMR Trader General and lay off the mud slinging. Live and let live.

>>60662244
>Live and let live.
That’s fucking rich considering the entire need for a so called “takeover” is the fact that the OP and his bots relentlessly shout out any opinion about XMR use cases that differ from his own

>>60662203
>The other one was first, had just normal posts in it. This is the one with all the infighting
Because nobody here was brigading the moonfag general. The infighting here is all your doing. Just stfu already.

>>60662270
Who''s shouting you down right now? You're choosing to be a victim and it's pretty lame.

>>60662279
>>60662283
OP hasn’t woken up yet. Just wait

>>60662283
Look, the solution is easy. Let us talk about finance, price, economics, without whining about moonfags or trying to run out different views. This isn't a new sudden thing, it's been going on years. I saw the other guy lost his shit so I hopped back in after having given up on these threads. I'm sure others are doing the same.

The parasite is not welcome here.

>>60662304
I can't speak for anyone else, But you guys stopped doing that, stop spamming dissenting views with your gay react images, and I'll stop sperging out in response. I just want to talk about my shit without you guys undercutting it. You're welcome to talk about yours in return

>>60662292
OP tends to be pretty chill if you're not flagrantly trying to undermine the pro-spending, economy first culture that's been nurtured here over the years. You're actually retarded if you thought you could just waltz in here all anti-agorism while moonfagging obnoxiously and expect us to suddenly be on board. Read the room first before attempting a coup.

>>60662356
Like I just fucking said, it's been going on for years, it's not an all of a sudden coup. There is one Monero general on one /biz/, jannies will keep it that way, and I should be able to talk about whatever I want without a bunch of Bolshevik kikes gatekeeping what money can and can't be used for like the Party has quotas to meet

>>60662391
You've always been free to talk about what you want here. It's just that Monero culture skews heavily towards cypherpunk, libertarianism, agorism, etc so you're going to get pushback if all you seem to be interested in is getting rich at the expense of the revolution. Just how things are in this space.

So if you can just be a little more respectful of the prevailing culture here and stop giving off moonfaggy Saylor vibes, we can all get along just fine.

>>60662476
>You've always been free to talk about what you want here
100% not true. There has been a constant flow of "fuck moonfags, gas moonfags, kill yourself and go buy Bitcoin" for years. And I'm not talking in response to "wen 1000X sar" posts. Even talking about the price signal, it's importance as the basis of economic calculation, von mises, rothbard, saving, gets undercut or straw manned. This entire fiasco started from years of the agorist crew flipping out over any view contrary to "you should spend every cent of Monero immediately". You guys haven't exercised a shred of respect from day one, and are pearl clutching now that it's blown up into a slap fight. Go to your group matrix or whatever and tell OP to lay off, and there will be literally zero issue

>>60662476
>So if you can just be a little more respectful of the prevailing culture here and stop giving off moonfaggy Saylor vibes, we can all get along just fine.
You have no right to enforce that standard. And since we literally can’t leave this thread, you should fucking expect more of it.

>>60662526
Not how I see it but OK.

>>60662677
Imagine the prevailing view was years of unprompted "feels comfy knowing agorists will trade generational wealth for muffins", "I can't wait till we gas the larp bake sale", and then we all turned around with "why don't you respect us, you can talk about whatever you want". It'd be obvious you were being strawmanned and condescended to, at best

>>60662945
See, that's what I mean. You ignore all the freedom tech aspects and talk about Monero like it's just a penny stock that hasn't pumped to your satisfaction. This seems to be your primary fixation and you sperg out when you're called out on it.

>>60663383
You’re probably OP on a different device. I’m basically done arguing with you it’s just going in circles now. I’m just telling you I’m not leaving. I will continue to moonpost. I will continue to call you all boomer faggots dancing to acoustic guitar in the New Hampshire woods at Porcfest while the rest of the crypto world actually achieves financialization.

You are intentionally gatekeeping the greatest currency in the world into financial pre-history. That’s exactly what a fed would do with a crypto currency that ACTUALLY poses a threat to the state apparatus. And I will not let you fucking succeed.

>>60663383
I phrased it that way to mimic the way you guys talk about us. You're right, it is straw manning and ignores all the important conversation. That's how you guys talk to us all the time, then clutch pearls when we get frustrated with it. Pic related is a typical example, condescending straw manning

>>60663426
Well, good luck with that but if you continue being annoying people will simply filter you out.

>>60663471
It’s cool you can filter me. But as the XMR saving culture expands on these topics you’ll have to filter more people. Soon you’ll be left with only a few “good” posts in your 300+ reply thread.

>>60663426
And I am fine with buying and selling goods directly for Monero, I am fine with tor and i2p they're cool technologies. All I want to do is be able to talk about saving, speculation, price being a useful unit of economic information, without some dipshit flooding the thread with a bunch of söyjaks and asking me whether my Lambo will be Bitcoin orange, over and over till it derails all discussion.

>>60663512
Meant for >>60663383

>>60662107
>>60662107
>Agorism is fine, but let people talk about their own Monero adjacent interests without whining that they aren't being Holocausted fast enough or spamming your gay react images
Fair take. That being said, I think it's about time I mention an open secret: we're all covert moonfags. There's not a single one of us that don't see the cup and handle/triple top/etc that signals a large moon coming Soon™. FCMP++ will allow the velocity of monero to 10x. Grease will make that even larger. It's stupid to not expect people to put the pieces together and gamble on a moonshot. Pic related.

>>60664073
>we're all covert moonfags
None of this explains gatekeeping Monero like you do but whatever. Tired of trying to understand the porcfest boomers. Maybe all that LSD in the 70s rotted your brain?

>>60664073
Even by your pic, isn’t it time to “start marketing Monero heavily”? It’s 2025 after all

any good vendor to buy residential proxies with monero?

>>60664896
>>60664863
Yes which is why I don't see the 'moonboys' as a threat at the moment. You guys sperged out right on time to spread the SAEV message, it seems.

>>60661449
>i'm interested just because I really, really hate glowies.

Monero is specifically engineered to enrage glowies!

>How I could use monero in 6 or 7 years?, people would actually use monero? what is the goal?

So currently the groundwork is being laid (DEXs, e-commerce platforms [Neroshop launching soon!]) for a global parallel P2P economy running on XMR (and Tor/I2P) to slowly emerge and facilitate direct earning and spending of XMR for countless goods & services, both legal and illegal. Basically introducing XMR into the wider shadow economy, right now its limited to mostly just darknet drug markets and a couple of clearnet grey markets. The room for growth here is immense, the global shadow economy is fucking HUGE ($12 trillion market) with tens of millions of customers going shopping every day. We're hoping to capture a healthy slice of all that business. It's going to take a minute and require a LOT of hard work and marketing but the payoff would be priceless: the freedom to buy and sell whatever you want with impunity and no taxation + very juicy profits for the early adopters.

>>60661829
>THE BOOMERS LITERALLY GOT THE OTHER THREAD DELETED
>
>This is fucking war you faggots I’m never going to stop posting in your threads now

holy shit, I get back from my weekly debriefing at Langley and all hell has broken loose!

kek I knew your containment thread was doomed as soon as you posted them horseshit disclaimers. Duplicate threads and here's you trying to redirect posters from the established thread to the "real thread" by resorting to childish fearmongering tactics, all the hallmarks of an autistic coup attempt. WTF did ya think would happen?!

Anyway, welcome back. Lets try to get along, OK?

>>60661864
>>60661880
>>60661893
>>60661910
>>60661934
>>60661942
>>60661998
>>60662033
>>60662063

See? Post all the retarded price predictions you like, bro, nobody will censor you. You'll just get clowned on sometimes and called a moonfag. Boohoo.

But what you should expect to get push back on:

>insisting that cypherpunk, crypto-anarchy, libertarian, agorist and related anti-authoritarian ideologies have no place here
>insisting that XMR is failing just because its not keeping up with BTC's and Fartcoin's clown market performance
>disrespecting the hard work of agorists who are out there busting their ass to bootstrap the Monero economy
>treating Monero like it only exists to be pumped and dumped for your benefit

So you're free to post whatever you want, you always were. Just remember that criticism and push back don't equal censorship.

This is a heavily ideological demographic and you will inevitably catch hate for certain things you say here.

>>60664073
> I think it's about time I mention an open secret: we're all covert moonfags. There's not a single one of us that don't see the cup and handle/triple top/etc that signals a large moon coming Soon™. FCMP++ will allow the velocity of monero to 10x. Grease will make that even larger. It's stupid to not expect people to put the pieces together and gamble on a moonshot.

Yeah, no shit, like I said in the previous thread, I'm fairly certain XMR can hit 5 figures eventually. But HOW that happens will determine how much actual exit liquidity is going to be available to YOU. What good is a jacked up XMR price if you can never realize those gains in full because the exit liquidity is dependent on a limited number of HODLtards in a world of growing crypto skepticism? Artificially pumping an asset is relatively easy, memecoin scammers do it all the time. Its realizing the gains in full that is the actual challenge, just ask the average memecoin baggie. Moonfags never consider this, they just obsess about the price.

The only plausible way to secure sufficient and, crucially, permissionless exit liquidity for our small cabal of early XMR bagholders is to siphon it out of the shadow economy, to tap into summa dat dere $12 trillion cash flows. But that takes time, hard work and patience, no way around it, there's no free lunch in life. But its also what makes it plausible: productivity = wealth, work hard -> make money.

Moonfagging on social media, on the other hand, spamming "$10K XMR SOON HODL WAGMI" produces nothing of value and only yields more moonfagging while alienating everybody else that reads the news and knows how scummy and scammy crypto evangelists typically are. And in the post-Trumpcoin era, that's virtually everybody in the developed world.

Which is why most generational wealth salesmen get nowhere. Imagine a total stranger knocking on your front door offering to help you get rich. That's you shilling XMR as an investment to an average normie.

>>60663485
Saving without an economy to spend in makes no sense.

>>60664863
>None of this explains gatekeeping Monero like you do
It's less gatekeeping and more staying the course. The goal has always been to show proof of concept to draw in the larger shadow economy. Their plumbing offers us the liquidity we need to pump and stay pumped. To that end we tend to try and think like they do, since they only care about getting their funds into monero to launder them, and out to pay their bills.

Are we still sperging out about the moonfags?
Jesus, can't we just talk about how we all wanna fuck monerochan?

>>60665265
>Disclaimers
The disclaimers aren’t going away. They’re in this thread and will continue to be posted. Consider it your punishment for shitting on moonboys for years.

>Duplicate thread
Again, THIS is the duplicate thread. This was posted after the other one. So why don’t you answer the question: why did YOU post a duplicate thread? There was a perfectly fine general thread. Why did you have to make another and be the OP? Do you think you’re the only one who can post general threads? Have you appointed yourself the leader of Monero on this board? That’s what the disclaimer alleges anyway. Hmm…

>Try to get along
I’m gonna keep posting whatever I want and make fun of boomers trying to gatekeep this coin.

>>60665280
>This is a heavily ideological demographic
This thread is only the way it is because of your incessant disrespect of anyone who disagrees with you. You’re literally bragging that you created an echo chamber when you say this.

By the way, why don’t you respond to this >>60664896 ? The classic snailmoon post about Monero literally says 2025 is the year you should “start marketing heavily”. Why aren’t you embracing that?

wownerochan + monerochan wallpaper

>>60664952
anyone?

>>60665308
>Which is why most generational wealth salesmen get nowhere. Imagine a total stranger knocking on your front door offering to help you get rich. That's you shilling XMR as an investment to an average normie.
Privacy ITSELF is a utility. A cursory search on Google for the minimum deposit to create a Swiss bank account is around $500k. Monero immediately kills that market by providing complete privacy with no minimum deposit or bullshit paperwork to fill out.

No one is saying to end your porcfest bake sale. But it is not a necessity for Monero to have value, nor is it necessary for someone to want to SAEV wealth in Monero. Both things can be true. Monero, especially after FCMP, is in and of itself a utility that people will want to save wealth in, even if there were zero transactions for goods or services. And you can have your bake sale too.

>>60667091
>Monero, especially after FCMP, is in and of itself a utility that people will want to save wealth in
What about the tail emission? BTC narrative of saving in it and spending in XMR will be more appealing to normies because of it.

>>60667364
I just don’t think sub 1% inflation is a big deal at all. Especially when you factor privacy into the equation, there’s basically no reason to use BTC.

>>60667438
Are there any good charts or analysis about monero inflation and how it affects price? BTC basically only has the 21M narrative going for it for the normies, if it can be defeated in a public and clear way then even they'll have to eventually admit it's useless and shift to some other narrative.

>>60661322
>a large chunk of this capital will inevitably flow into privacy conscious cryptocurrencies

[citation needed]

Say, I buy XMR because I buy drugs.

Why wouldn't I be happy that 100 XMR now could buy a kilo of coke could buy it for 1 XMR when it hits the moon?

Is /xmrg/ retarded?

Good morning, Monero chads. I am just here representing the LINK fanboi club letting you know I think XMR is a wonderful asset and I hope you guys all make it. Have a wonderful day.

who 50% BTC, 50% XRP here

>>60666716
>The disclaimers aren’t going away. They’re in this thread and will continue to be posted. Consider it your punishment for shitting on moonboys for years.

lol go ahead, all you're doing is being annoying.


>So why don’t you answer the question: why did YOU post a duplicate thread?

Because I could. And because your thread was MOONFAG CENTRAL complete with a TA chart and retarded price prediction right in the OP. Couldn't let that insult to Monero-chan slide.


>Do you think you’re the only one who can post general threads?

Nope.


>Have you appointed yourself the leader of Monero on this board?

Nope. I'm just a known quantity. All we know about you is that you make retarded price predictions, you shamelessly simp for BTC and Tether and you sperg out spectacularly when you don't get your way.


>You’re literally bragging that you created an echo chamber when you say this.

Monero was already heavily ideological by the time I discovered it.


>The classic snailmoon post about Monero literally says 2025 is the year you should “start marketing heavily”. Why aren’t you embracing that?

Shill the economy, not the coin. Can't spend in the economy without the coin.

>>60667091
>a Swiss bank account is around $500k. Monero immediately kills that market by providing complete privacy with no minimum deposit or bullshit paperwork to fill out.

No, it doesn't. A tradfi Swiss bank account is a TRADFI Swiss bank account. Yeah, it lacks the anonymity of XMR but it is fully integrated into the formal economy, which contains virtually all of the goods & services your average normie will ever want or need. Spending is seamless and easy.

Conversely, XMR has anonymity but is unfortunately shut out of that formal economy (not fully yet but we're headed there). And what is your average normie likely going to do with an XMR savings account? He's eventually going to want to convert it back into fiat so he can go shopping in primarily the formal economy. But now there's no more CEXs accepting Monero, its been universally delisted! Now your average normie has to jump through myriad pain-in-the-ass hoops in the hopes of somehow getting their wealth out and ending up with spendable fiat. So why even bother with XMR in the first place?! SoV? Its not like there aren't already a shitload of tradfi SoV options already available, all seamlessly integrated with the formal economy.

Which is why shilling XMR as a Swiss bank account/SoV specifically to normies is kinda myopic, at least for as long as the formal economy mogs the counter-economy.

But shilling the counter-economy to normies is much more straightforward: do the same amount of work, earn more. Buy the same item, pay less.

In other words, it is infinitely easier to entice normies to regularly buy smaller amounts of XMR and go shopping for contraband/cheapies than it is to convince normies to buy and HODL larger amounts of XMR as a saving/SoV vehicle.


>SAEV wealth in Monero

Again, there's no plausible reason for normies to be stashing their life savings in XMR since converting it back to fiat will become evermore difficult in future as Monero is upgraded to Enemy of the State status.

>>60668092
wrong thread, sorry bros
looking into xmr exiting though

And here is why you don't create white market dependencies. This kinda shit makes agorists kek heartily.

>>60667438
The inflation rate is lower than gold bro

>>60668094
>>60668147
>”Shill the economy, not the coin.”
Considering you also say XMR is being shut out of the formal economy, have you ever considered your “marketing” tactic is literally encouraging people to break the law? Either current laws or soon to be laws like EU 2027?

So you’re encouraging people to have ALL MARKETING MATERIALS about Monero be implicit inducements to break the law? And you think this is a good thing as opposed to benefiting from a completely tried and true method of capturing attention through a token mechanism and saving for the future?

Are you fucking retarded? You are intentionally making it impossible for lawmakers in the future to argue that there are legitimate reasons for using privacy tokens. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT A FED WOULD DO

>>60668442
>agorist
What does this mean? Sorry I’m not a D&D player so I don’t know?

Could you use actually understandable words for the newcomers?

>>60668563

>>60668563
>have you ever considered your “marketing” tactic is literally encouraging people to break the law? Either current laws or soon to be laws like EU 2027?

Welcome to agorism, bro!

Selling off the books is technically breaking the law. Buying contraband is technically breaking the law. But laws that can't reasonably be enforced are meaningless. And end-to-end encryption (PGP/XMR/Tor/I2P) makes enforcing such laws unenforceable at scale.


>implicit inducements to break the law?

Are you new here? Read the room, brah.


>And you think this is a good thing as opposed to benefiting from a completely tried and true method of capturing attention through a token mechanism and saving for the future?

Yeah, "save in XMR and pray you'll somehow figure out a way back to fiat when all the easy off-ramps are gone".

Monero is not going to be tolerated by governments for much longer, there is not going to be any concessions given here. We're going underground whether you like it or not.


>impossible for lawmakers in the future to argue that there are legitimate reasons for using privacy tokens.

lol the State giveth and the State taketh away. Lobbying for concessions is pointless. Permissionless is the ONLY way.


>THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT A FED WOULD DO

NAILED IT!

>>60668641
It’s one thing to have a counter economy. It’s another thing to go out of your way to ensure that EVERY XMR marketing strategy is about the counter economy, leaving zero room for any argument that Monero is anything other than “the criminal coin”. This may not seem like an important distinction to you, but I guarantee it becomes a big deal when the legal debate around privacy coins kicks off.

Not only is SAEV Monero a good idea for GAINZ, it quite possibly is the argument that keeps Monero legal to own down the road.

Which a fed would understand, and would specifically want to undermine…..

>>60667552
https://youtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4?feature=shared

>>60668685
>Not only is SAEV Monero a good idea for GAINZ, it quite possibly is the argument that keeps Monero legal to own down the road.
"Please don't let the government ban Monero, I need it to store my wealth" is a terrible defence. Why would normies buy that argument when there are a bunch of other ways to store your wealth, including using non-private crypto?

>>60668892
>why would anyone want privacy
Are you listening to yourself?

>>60668901
I think you're overestimating how much most people care about privacy. Even if they did care, they're going to be brainwashed by the 24/7 media and all the boomers who vote will just go along with it
>privacy is important, but not like this, this is too dangerous. Think of the children!
>why can't you just use cash like everyone else!
>stop trying to get out of paying for my retirement!
etc

>>60668941
The people who can see through that propaganda tend to be rich, and vice versa.

>>60668954
Well the rich are the minority, and most of them they aren't going to be bribing politicians to defend Monero. So we're outgunned unfortunately.

>>60669011
>So we're outgunned unfortunately.

Pretty much. There is no scenario where governments are going to be OK with citizens having easy access to credible privacy coins. BTC is tolerated only because its ineffectual and doesn't pose a threat.

>>60659808
Lol he immediately did it
>>60659874

>>60661852
XMR to the moon! Ive never bought this shit yet but im well aware of its value. As an oldfag you learn to spot feds from miles away and this thread is full of them telling me not to hold onto monero.

Also porcfest sounds fucking lame.

Reminder that Monero's ledger is transparent. You can trace the UTXOs. Low IQ dark market thieves may fall for a 4 bit security model that falls apart as soon as you break the decoy selection algorithm which serious adversary will do.

Monero isn’t private it’s a honeypot for Feds. Lead maintainer for Monero Ricardo when extradited for fraud used being in contact with Interpol as part of his defense.

Zcash meanwhile is private it uses end to end encryption and zk logic to encrypted the ledger.

Zcash gives users privacy by default by using Zashi.

>>60669647
Monero has literally never been broken and after FCMP there will be no weak points left.

Zcash is just trash with optional privacy that very few people actually use, and the day that FCMP is released should just go to the dustbin of history.

>>60669194
Sounds good brother. Don’t let anyone tell you you need to spend XMR. Save those coins this is gonna take off soon

i hate the antimonero

>>60664073
Yeah I've seen this post a lot, I'm aware a lot of the agorist crew think Monero will go up too. I'd prefer to be honest about it, rather than hide behind coded language. Someone holding Monero just to speculate is better than them not holding it at all. Price talk can be an on ramp to privacy and agorism, as "moonfags" learn more about Monero.

>>60666150
I think it's elitism more than anything. "I got into Monero for the ideology, not something as base as greed. 'moonfags' shouldn't get to profit off my hard work." Even though people buying Monero just to hold/use as a savings account is necessary for large scale adoption, and increasing the price increases network security.

>>60665258
>>60667091
I do feel like the agorist approach puts the cart before the horse in a sense. Normally people have goods they want to sell, so they seek out an ideal medium of exchange to facilitate trade. With Monero we've already found the ideal medium of exchange, and are now trying to create consumer markets to justify its existence. (I don't count drug markets in this as Monero was adopted to facilitate existing markets, not the other way around).
Compare this to the non-agorist view where Monero is the good in and of itself. Having a private digital money is valuable even if it can't be directly exchanged for goods, in the same way gold is valuable even if the farmers market doesn't accept it.

>>60668668
I broadly agree with you but "no off ramps" is silly. As long as there are atomic swaps/non-kyc swap services and the ability to easily off ramp a different crypto into fiat, its not a problem.

Even if there were plentiful XMR off ramps I'd still probably use another crypto to exit because it feels easier and less flaggable to explain to the normalfag financial industry where I obtained non-XMR crypto than XMR.

>>60667364
>Oh no the Bitcoiners are going to give us liquidity

>>60669136
>There is no scenario where governments are going to be OK with citizens having easy access to credible privacy coins
They said the same thing about bitcoin at one point. Call me crazy if you want but I feel like fixing view keys is the beginning of the slow walk back of the narrative of the past few years.

WHAT HARWARE WALLET!?

>>60669647
>Reminder that Monero's ledger is transparent. You can trace the UTXOs. Low IQ dark market thieves may fall for a 4 bit security model that falls apart as soon as you break the decoy selection algorithm which serious adversary will do.
>
>Monero isn’t private it’s a honeypot for Feds. Lead maintainer for Monero Ricardo when extradited for fraud used being in contact with Interpol as part of his defense.
>
>Zcash meanwhile is private it uses end to end encryption and zk logic to encrypted the ledger.
>
>Zcash gives users privacy by default by using Zashi.

Reminder that your cue ball CEO actually said this.

Your cucked compliance coin glows brighter than Emerald City, faggot, and FCMP++ are the final nail in its coffin. KYS.

Monero bros, what do you make of the recent censorship episode on Steam? The gamer demographic (which also includes anime and capeshit consoomers) is the most cucked in the world. So Visa and Mastercard are now dictating what they can consoome, and more than 80 adult games got removed from Steam. Crypto is right there, with monero being the most private coin, and the cucks dont even consider using it, not even stablecoins. This one article was the worst:
https://automaton-media.com/en/nongaming-news/japan-is-losing-an-archive-of-out-of-print-manga-because-of-international-credit-card-companies/
>The decision to shut down came after Manga Library Z’s owners attempted to reorganize their payment model, but could not find a solution that would allow them to keep securing revenue for manga authors.
How can be someone be more cucked than this? Could not find HOW? Who is gatekeeping monero here? Is monero the new linux?

>>60670924
>and the cucks dont even consider using it
Do you know why not?

>Is monero the new linux?
It’s hard to make that comparison directly for a few reasons, but I admit it’s crossed my mind too. The similarities with the ideological rigidity are concerning.

>>60670356
>Having a private digital money is valuable even if it can't be directly exchanged for goods, in the same way gold is valuable even if the farmers market doesn't accept it

Gold is a socially entrenched asset with a history dating back 5000+ years. Gold can be easily liquidated into cash because it is universally recognized as valuable, not to mention buying/selling gold is perfectly legal. You will still be able to find a willing buyer for your gold even if investor confidence completely evaporates due to never-ending demand from the jewelry and electronics sectors

What are you supposed to do with your private digital money if you can't readily exchange it for goods/ services or legal tender fiat? What good is $1, $2, $5, $10 million in XMR if there's nowhere to spend it, no practical way of converting it to cash or a bank account balance?

Moonfags are delusional, they haven't actually thought any this through, looked at things from the perspective of an average normie who always instinctively defaults to the simplest, most convenient option. Shit, average normies are so fucking lazy and inept they show up on Dread asking about BTC spending options because PGP and XMR apparently require too much effort


>>60670629
>As long as there are atomic swaps/non-kyc swap services and the ability to easily off ramp a different crypto into fiat, its not a problem

Those are fine for smaller spending amounts. Ain't no average normie going to risk their life savings with that shit, especially when established and regulated tradfi alternatives exist


Hard truth: outside of spending in the counter-economy, normies simply don't need your coins, they already got their fintech bases covered. Which is why moonfags are always in Nigerian Prince mode, always trying so hard to convince total strangers that this is their once in a lifetime opportunity at achieving le generational wealth.

TL;DR: moonfagging is a losing proposition, the counter-economy is where we prosper.

>>60670957
> Gold is a socially entrenched asset with a history dating back 5000+ years. Gold can be easily liquidated into cash because it is universally recognized as valuable, not to mention buying/selling gold is perfectly legal. You will still be able to find a willing buyer for your gold even if investor confidence completely evaporates due to never-ending demand from the jewelry and electronics sectors
The only difference here is gold’s easy conversion for other currencies? And yet you make such an appeal to goods and services for Monero. Why not prioritize off ramps instead of bake sales? Is it because you want to market Monero as a criminal enterprise coin so that there’s no legitimate legal argument for it? Like a fed?

>>60670978

lol ok genius, explain how permissonless XMR off-ramps are going to work in your perfect world scenario, I'm all ears.

>>60670665
>They said the same thing about bitcoin at one point. Call me crazy if you want but I feel like fixing view keys is the beginning of the slow walk back of the narrative of the past few years.

Apples and oranges. BTC was always a transparent ledger, it just wasn't so apparent back then when it was still being characterized as "anonymous". BTC is tame, safe, harmless, useless.

View keys don't change the fundamental nature of Monero. If its still possible to circumvent capital controls, violate OFAC sanctions, etc with impunity then its still a non-starter.

As it should be. Who the FUCK is going to trust govt-approved cypherpunk tech? Here, use this govt-approved PGP app. Browse this govt-approved darknet. Zcash #1 privacy coin!

Delistings and demonization suck but you simply can't buy that kind of ringing endorsement. The underground is our home now, get used to it.

In any case, remember that whatever privileges BTC currently enjoys can be revoked at any moment.....the State giveth and the State taketh away. All it would take to tank that entire sordid ponzi scheme overnight is loss of access to the banking sector, that's it, that's how utterly reliant BTC baggies are on the State's mercy now. Hence all the lobbying and ball washing. Fucking disgusting.

>>60670983
DEXes?
Atomic swaps?

But I guess our only chance is to have a worldwide farmers market oh well

>>60670991
>DEXes?
>Atomic swaps?

I'm a normie, I need my XMR'd life savings transferred to my KYC'd bank account so I can buy a house by the sea, maybe a lil boat as well.

>>60671001
And then after you atomic swap to BTC you can do that! Yay!

>>60671010
>atomic swap BTC
>oh boy can't wait to buy a house!
>deposit BTC
>BTC is dirty and gets seized for AML nonsense
yayyyy

>>60671017
Oh no! Anon can’t currently come up with a solution to launder $1M in XMR for his house purchase in 10 years, regardless of what future tech may or may not exist at that time.

I guess we can’t let XMR moon then :-/

>>60671030
This type of shit just underscores some of the unspoken realities behind why OP and some of these “OGs” are against Monero going up

>they're probably sitting on thousands of XMR
>they know they have a huge liquidity crunch problem coming up
>if other people cause the price to moon, it becomes harder ***FOR THEM*** to get their real value in good old fashioned USD $$$$
>they’re acting in the exact same way as VCs for other coins trying to dump on all other bag holders

They preach all these high minded ideals but they always reference “liquidity” in their argument for the worldwide bake sale. Because they want to sell ;-)

>>60669647
>Ricardo when extradited for fraud

>>60670806
Either of the main 2, but I prefer an offline laptop where i can sign offline transactions

wownero summer

>>60670983
>>60671001
Enough with the gay react images and hyperbolic straw manning. You are the entire reason why people are getting fed up with these threads.

>>60671010
>And then after you atomic swap to BTC you can do that! Yay!

lol so that's it? Your entire premise hinges on millions of unsophisticated normies being able to figure out atomic swaps without getting bamboozled by sophisticated hackers, phony apps, phishing scams, tainted coin washers, etc? THIS is how they'll all choose to manage their precious life savings instead of just parking them in real estate or diversified equities as per the advice of reputable financial advisors everywhere?

I'm actually impressed you even tried. Yeah, sure, grandma’s totally gonna skip her CD ladder at the credit union and ape into XMR instead "because it’s ultrasound money, dear." Because what average law-abiding citizen wouldn’t want to stash their precious life savings in a semi-outlawed niche digital currency that most exchanges won’t even touch anymore and that governments murderously eye like a radioactive spider? Try explaining to your accountant, your bank, or, Gawd forbid, a mortgage lender that your down payment is locked up in the crypto most favored by narco cartels, Islamic terrorists and darknet pedophiles, that’ll go over great!

So yeah, as expected you got jack shit, no plausible sales pitch, nothing that would convince a rational, level-headed investor to pick or recommend XMR over established tradfi assets.

Siphoning exit liquidity out of the shadow economy remains the only plausible play.


>>60671128

lol so am I still a fed or just a whale now?


>>60671309
>hyperbolic straw manning.

Buy a dictionary.

>>60671017
>>atomic swap BTC
>>oh boy can't wait to buy a house!
>>deposit BTC
>>BTC is dirty and gets seized for AML nonsense
>yayyyy

That's pretty much exactly what would happen. All them toxic, super-tainted OFAC-blacklisted bitcoins would start getting dumped on motherfuckers with a quickness.

>>60659755
Is someone going to update the infodump and the graphics? Increasingly many things are outdated.
>Seraphis increases the ringsize from 11 to 128
>CoinCards percentage of U.S. sales for December 2022 (maybe put March 2025)
>DNMs section is outdated (no mention of drughub)
>Seraphis section is outdated (no mention of FCMPs or any of the new features
>how to buy Monero still lists LocalMonero
>Haveno is still listed as "coming soon"
>Zcash section makes no mention of RTT or how one retard (@MoneyKnowledge0) put up a bounty to trace his ZEC and got traced the following day
>no mention of Qubic FUD (faked and rented hashrate, main dev is leading an army of trolls after getting kicked out of irrc Near's dev team)
I love the infodump, I don't demand an immediate rework. But it's getting harder and harder to quote directly. OP please fix.

>>60672141
Info on the ztard:
picrel
https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/hubbvg/did_we_just_see_zcash_get_cracked_twitter_user/
https://www.dcforecasts.com/zcash-news/zcashs-privacy-features-back-in-question-after-user-traced-transaction/
https://x.com/The8Connor/status/1284900368116330497
On RTTs:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/593.pdf
https://jeffq.com/blog/on-the-linkability-of-zcash-transactions/
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01210.pdf

So. 420 was the top of this bullrun after all? Disappointing.

It's over for moontrannies lol

>>60672435
What is this?

>>60672582
Cant you read? It says right there, XMR is being sold off en mass. It's dumping

>>60671897
How is “figuring out” an atomic swap app any different from “figuring out” a counter economy app or any other app? You’re assuming literally zero development or advancement in the user experiences of these technologies….forever? That is completely ridiculous and again makes zero sense. Your pretentiousness is literally built on a house of cards.

>explain to your accountant
I think YOU'RE worried about explaining to YOUR accountant. Because you’re planning on selling as soon as you can.

>>60672176
I mean you’re saying it’s outdated but you want to highlight a tweet from 2020? Hasn’t ztrash upgraded since then?

>>60672344
A lot of the cookies at the bake sale got burnt :’’(

Is Monero not worth hiring better posters than this? It can't just be because I'm familiar with XMR, this whole spat is so transparent.

>>60672435
I know your lack a foreskin which caued frontal lobe damage when you were an infant and your bitch of a mother was laughing at your pain, but your masonic lie is peak retardation. There is no whale monitiring on an untracable coin. The best you can see is transaction ammounts on the chain. Even if a whale sold it would be unknow, it actually help prevent panic and keep price stability when it does occur from time to time.
Also your false god satan is a denerate abortion of a false diety, which will betray you in the end. It did so when you were born anyway. Just like your degen mother and father did from the get go

>>60659729 (OP)
What sort of hardware would you need to mine $1000 of Monero a day?

>>60672885
A really, really big baking sheet

>>60672435
>Still consolidating above $300
>It's over

>>60670987
>View keys don't change the fundamental nature of Monero.
Who said they have to? They only need to be good enough to be used as an excuse for the regulators to do whatever they want. Same thing can be said with privacy layers in Bitcoin: Everyone knows coinjoin can be deanonymized by chainalysis, but they still went after Samourai and Wasabi for money laundering cause they wanted to.

>If its still possible to circumvent capital controls, violate OFAC sanctions, etc with impunity then its still a non-starter.
You can do this with cash as well and yet everyone is allowed to hold cash.

>As it should be. Who the FUCK is going to trust govt-approved cypherpunk tech?
*Tor has entered the chat*

>>60671897
>Your entire premise hinges on millions of unsophisticated normies being able to figure out atomic swaps without getting bamboozled by sophisticated hackers, phony apps, phishing scams, tainted coin washers, etc?
Can't speak for the other anon, but sophisticated criminals will definitely be able to do this if if means they can launder their funds more efficiently.

>Siphoning exit liquidity out of the shadow economy remains the only plausible play.
I don't know about 'only', but I'll admit that it's the most plausible play. However, it's important to note that these guys have bills due in fiat to pay in the white market, so it's safe to assume that somebody is going to figure out how to get their xmr into fiat as efficiently as possible. Whether it's atomic swaps, a dex, or some other thing is anyone's guess, but if they can't then they won't have any reason to provide any more of their liquidity then they already have.

>>60672875
Retards, that's the happenings in the most liquid CEX for XMR

The brave new world after passage of the GENIUS Act

>>60672661
>Hasn’t ztrash upgraded since then?
The traceability showcased stems from a trivial EAE that Zcash had from its launch. It was never fixed, because it would either require mass adoption of z-to-z over transparent transactions, or more realistically, disabling transparent transactions (like Monero). I think it's a good fit. The infodump spends time on shitting on their governance and Zooko, but doesn't mention how Zcash is 99.9% traceable with basic heuristics. All while ztards sit on their high horse criticizing Monero's traceability.
Also, the rest of what I listed is still outdated.

>>60671897
>>60672661
To expand on this, the "trust surface area" of a DEX or atomic swap app is about 1/1000th the trust surface area of a counter economy app.

With a DEX or atomic swap, you need to trust the app itself, the contracts underlying it, that it's not "bamboozled", phished, tainted or scammed in some way.

With a counter economy app, you need to trust the app itself along with any of the 1000+ individual merchants you happen to choose to transact with.

This isn't an argument against the counter economy, but to say it's not correct to identify a special trust problem with DEXes or atomic swaps.

>>60671897
>Buy a dictionary
My statement was perfectly accurate. You exaggerate or misrepresent people's takes without addressing their arguments, accompanied by dumb react images. It's the same thing John Oliver does, he pairs his retarded talking points with a laugh track to reinforce the idea of "me smart, you dumb". It's beginner level CIA psyop.

>>60672141
>Is someone going to update the infodump and the graphics? Increasingly many things are outdated.

Yeah, I've been meaning to update things for a while now but with FCMP++ coming up its really high time to get things moving.

However, I got my hands full with other concerns atm so if anybody wants to help out in the interim, feel free to post updated content here and I'll edit accordingly. Suggestions are always welcome.

But meanwhile here's the infographic I reworked recently, not current yet but will be once FCMP++ goes live soon.

>>60676182

Minor edit, this is the final version.

>>60659729 (OP)
What are the other logos in op image?

>>60672661
>How is “figuring out” an atomic swap app any different from “figuring out” a counter economy app or any other app? You’re assuming literally zero development or advancement in the user experiences of these technologies….forever? That is completely ridiculous and again makes zero sense. Your pretentiousness is literally built on a house of cards.

lol you're conflating 2 completely different scenarios with contrasted risk profiles:

My scenario: normies buying smaller amounts of XMR to immediately SPEDN on appealing goods & services in the counter-economy.

Your scenario: normies converting their fiat savings into larger amounts of XMR to SAEV long-term and then eventually convert back to fiat.

So its not really a question of can normies figure shit out, we already know they can when they *have* to, the darknet economy wouldn't exist otherwise.

The question actually is: do they have other options? Is it worth the risks? Specifically:

>are there simpler, safer or more convenient alternatives available?
>would the monetary loss be bearable in a worst case scenario?

My scenario:

>Viable alternatives: None. If you want to score contraband or sub-retail/untaxed/unregulated goodies online, the digital counter-economy is your only option. This is literally what forces lazy normies into learning how to use PGP and crypto, they simply don't have a choice.
>Bearable loss: Yes. Typical online consumer purchases rarely exceed a few hundred USD. Escrow offsets most concerns All this figures prominently in the risk assessment.

Your scenario:

>Viable alternatives: lol take your pick
>Bearable loss: Fuck no. Assuming we're talking large amounts approximating one's life savings, such an irreversible loss of funds would be absolutely catastrophic. All this figures prominently in the risk assessment

-------

We know my scenario is realistic because its just the existing darknet market model expanded into grey markets.

Your scenario? Unappealing proposition to most

>>60676266
>What are the other logos in op image?

Tails, Tor, I2Pd, Kleopatra (PGP)

>>60673297
>regulators

The whims of regulators are not something that should be able to negatively impact the Monero ecosystem and economy.


>You can do this with cash as well and yet everyone is allowed to hold cash.

Cash is legal tender. Cash spending stimulates the economy. Cash is how tax obligations to the State are settled. Cash makes the world go round.

If Monero disappeared tomorrow hardly anybody outside our circles would notice or care.


>*Tor has entered the chat*

I2P>Tor


>Can't speak for the other anon, but sophisticated criminals will definitely be able to do this if if means they can launder their funds more efficiently.

Sure, but we're talking about the dynamics of unsophisticated everyday normies here.


>However, it's important to note that these guys have bills due in fiat to pay in the white market, so it's safe to assume that somebody is going to figure out how to get their xmr into fiat as efficiently as possible. Whether it's atomic swaps, a dex, or some other thing is anyone's guess, but if they can't then they won't have any reason to provide any more of their liquidity then they already have.

Of course, but there's quite a difference in needing to cash out a few hundred or few thousand USD you could afford to lose to pay some bills vs needing to cash out tens or hundreds of thousands in life savings you simply musn't lose, the logistics and risks involved become evermore onerous the higher the figure.

Shit, for smaller amounts you don't even need a DEX, just buy some bullion or consumer electronics and flip directly for cash. That's been SOP for darknet vendors since forever.

But expecting typically risk-averse normies to ape into an unregulated cryptocurrency that's hated by governments and jump through all these hoops with all these risks hovering over their heads when much safer and well-regulated tradfi saving options are available to them is DE-LU-SIO-NAL.

The moonfags here don't want to admit it but its glaringly obvious.

>>60674180
>To expand on this, the "trust surface area" of a DEX or atomic swap app is about 1/1000th the trust surface area of a counter economy app.
>
>With a DEX or atomic swap, you need to trust the app itself, the contracts underlying it, that it's not "bamboozled", phished, tainted or scammed in some way.
>
>With a counter economy app, you need to trust the app itself along with any of the 1000+ individual merchants you happen to choose to transact with.
>
>This isn't an argument against the counter economy, but to say it's not correct to identify a special trust problem with DEXes or atomic swaps.


See >>60676273

It's an apples and oranges comparison, the risk profiles and stakes are very different.

>>60676273
>Viable alternatives: lol take your pick
You’re just making shit up at this point. What is “viable” about any alternative to Monero? You can’t replicate its technology or network effects easily whatsoever. As I’ve said many times, privacy IS the utility itself. And only Monero has an established and tested crypto privacy network. That, in and of itself, is worth SAEVing in.

>Your scenario? Unappealing proposition to most
Crypto in general is “unappealing to most”. Even bitcoin is still unappealing, and was even more so early in its history. There’s nothing wrong with being early and correct about something that’s about to blast off to infinity. That’s what being an “innovator” on the investment curve is all about.

>>60676327
>But expecting typically risk-averse normies to ape into an unregulated cryptocurrency that's hated by governments and jump through all these hoops with all these risks hovering over their heads when much safer and well-regulated tradfi saving options are available to them is DE-LU-SIO-NAL.
Who even said anything about normies (yet)? We haven’t even gotten the SAEV culture off the ground. The obvious first target is people already in crypto who just fucking saw Tether freeze funds on orders of law enforcement. Why not appeal to them literally right now? Does it violate some stupid principle of yours?

And while we’re at it, why don’t you ever have to justify the logistics of any of these big transactions within the counter economy? How are YOU going to buy a house in the counter economy? Are you going to secure a loan for it through an illegal bank? Basically every jurisdiction in the world has a deed/title system. How are you going to convince a local government to recognize your title to the house when there’s no record of the sale? You think they’ll believe that you got it for $1 and therefore owe no taxes? You fucking justify it fag.

Anyone renember the name of the coffee bean roasters that take monero?

>>60676935
https://gratuitas.org/

I love XMR and I love what it does but I don't understand why would anyone hold it in hopes of getting some profit

What is going to happen to the price when exodus wallet stops offering XMR?

>>60676327

>Sure, but we're talking about the dynamics of unsophisticated everyday normies here.
>needing to cash out tens or hundreds of thousands in life savings you simply musn't lose
If we're talking about the dynamics of unsophisticated normies, then I wouldn't expect them to do this because they don't have life savings (not including a 401k). They don't even have $500 for an emergency last I checked. At best, we're talking about normies doing what they're encouraged to do in BTC but in XMR instead: SAEV < $5 in 'neros per week

>But expecting typically risk-averse normies to ape into an unregulated cryptocurrency that's hated by governments and jump through all these hoops with all these risks hovering over their heads when much safer and well-regulated tradfi saving options are available to them is DE-LU-SIO-NAL.
How many of those alternatives are immediately spendable on goods and services with no worry of permission, taxes, penalties, account restrictions, etc? You don't think normies might want to diversify some of their savings into such a thing just because it's hard to get?

>>60677302
This reads like satire. Hope it was, anon.

>>60678234
Why do you expect price to move at all? It's not limited supply like BTC and there's nothing else to add, XMR already works. You need anonymity - you buy xmr, use it and sell it back afterwards. What am I missing here?

Why has the xmr community cucked itself into the whole xmr price doesn't need to go up meme? Tail emissions are still deflationary in the long run, there's no reason why it can't be a store of value like btc other than the narrative everyone is forcing onto it.

>>60677481
Absolutely nothing.

>>60676440
>How are YOU going to buy a house in the counter economy?

>>60678528
Monero is inevitable, so shilling it is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive because it gets the wrong people involved. Smart, independent thinkers who get themselves a bag while it's unpopular will rule the world and that's the way it should be.

>>60678323
>It's not limited supply like BTC

The long tail supply is basically dirt, so yea, it is limited supply "like BTC".

This is a moneroless cope. Consider your amount of monero disclosed.

If you're not buying stuff from the XMR agora economy, then there's no reason to be holding this coin.

You're better off hodling literally FARCOIN when XMR is moving sideways while everything else is doing at least a 3x during a bull season.

This coin exists to be sold.

>>60678732
I use it almost every month, but I don't need to hold it to use it. You're not hearing me at all.

>>60678323
>>60679028
>You need anonymity - you buy xmr, use it and sell it back afterwards. What am I missing here?
This part:
>sell it back afterward
Assumes that whoever you bought $50 worth of cookies from with XMR will sell or spend them upon receipt. If they decide to defer that selling/spending for any reason, then your $50 will buy slightly less XMR next month, even though you're still buying the same amount of cookies.

>>60659729 (OP)
I realized that ledger doesn't support arm64 linux. Thinking of getting trezor to move coins to. I don't spend any of my monero. Just collecting it

>>60678528
>Why has the xmr community cucked itself into the whole xmr price doesn't need to go up meme?
Unironically a psyop. A damn good one at that.
There's a false assumption that moonfags turned BTC into an increasingly cucked, unusable mess as the price got higher, therefore moonfags will do the same to XMR if the price moves too high and/or too quickly. In reality, BTC created moonfags by being a cucked unusable mess to begin with, and got worse to draw in more moonfags.
For the same thing to happen with XMR, you'd have to assume XMR is capable of creating moonfags because XMR is a cucked (lol) unusable mess (lmao) and it will only get worse from here (kek)

>>60678631
Completely fucking ignoring all the other GOVERNMENT touch points in land purchases (taxes, titles, deeds etc).

>>60679028
>need to hold it
You don't "need to hold" anything. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>60678875
kys

>>60678641
This is the real reason for the gatekeeping, you think your particular brand of autism makes you better than others, it's nothing to do with agorism or a circular economy. But all wanting a bigger piece of a smaller pie does is guarantee that you'll stay poor.

How likely is zcash flipping xmr before fcmp?

>>60682808
zcash's entire brand is being a secure coin, but then they aren't secure get traced promise compliance with stuff that makes them be able to deanonymize
The advantage of all that cucking is supposed to be some huge stack of market share, fuck they're even on coinbase (which avoids Monero specifically because it is untraceable) and they still can't pump

Monero gooners we are getting so fucking vindicated right now

>>60681254
Don't get me confused, I'm not the spastic OP, I'm just stating the facts. Anyway, the gates are wide open and have been for over ten years. I'm not sure what you think is stopping anyone from learning about Monero and coming to their own conclusions.

>>60678528
It's just early, we are in the phase where people are trading it for drugs, in years ill laugh at them

>>60680199
I'm just following the anti-mooners logic here

How do I Monero?
I've been reading but appaently I cant buy from Mexico,unless there's an option Im missing
I might not want this for investment or weird darkweb shit but to pay for VPN in the future in case my gov goes ful commie and if it comes down to it, my doujin Jap games

are the cold/hot wallets schizo tier stuff or am I being too much of a noob here, I've never done crypto, even though I wouldn't mind throwing some bucks here and there like I would on a casino, better than jnk food, but im just starting
also realitically one of my few shots at having money to move to another country if I get a bullseye
Bt this is just me writing at 2 am

How much realistically will Monero x in the next 5 years?

I don't get why a drug cartel doesn't scoop up all the XMR in supply and just hoard it. Then they can control the price and send it flying

>>60683585
>How do I Monero?
Buy XMR

>I've been reading but appaently I cant buy from Mexico, unless there's an option Im missing
buy what you can (LTC is probably the easiest) and use trocador.app or orangefren.com to swap your LTC for XMR

>I might not want this for investment or weird darkweb shit but to pay for VPN in the future in case my gov goes ful commie and if it comes down to it, my doujin Jap games
Mullvad VPN famously takes XMR and cash by mail for it's services

>are the cold/hot wallets schizo tier stuff or am I being too much of a noob here,
Yes it's schizo tier stuff, but for good reason. Keeping your crypto wallet on a separate device with a strong password (note: your fingerprint is not a password) is enough for 95% of all cases. Writing your seed phrase down and putting it somewhere safe covers 4.9%. Not being retarded covers all 100%.

>>60682998
>I'm not sure what you think is stopping anyone from learning about Monero and coming to their own conclusions.
If Monero had the same retarded fan base as a XRP/Cardano, it would be over $100B already. The fact that it’s not, even when Monero has a 1000x better “schizo” narrative about the future importance of the coin than anything XRP can say, suggests a deep cultural problem, stemming from the so called OGs of this coin.

It’s pretty clear that faggots like OP have intentionally set out to make the culture around Monero as technical and unenthusiastic as possible. Literally just transactional “buy only what you need, acquire cookies on dark market”.

That is a strategy to prevent going up for as long as possible. And it has apparently succeeded. Now it’s time to call OP a faggot and force feed the greatest currency and narrative to the crypto world.

>>60683645
It’s going to 100,000. I’m not exaggerating

>>60680199
Yes, if you buy land/a house you'll need to get written into the land register somehow, pay taxes, etc. If that is a deal-breaker what you're asking is impossible except maybe in less developed countries where no one gives a shit. There might be ways to structure this in ways that make it more convenient like having some legal entity that technically owns the house but I'm no lawyer so I'm not sure. Renting is more easily doable but obviously nothing like ownership.

>>60684092
Because the dollar is shit or Monero will be that valuable

>>60684279
Both. The invention of digital scarcity will totally change how currency crashes happen. Any coin with zero or extremely low inflation like Monero will skyrocket as the dollar system continues degrading. But Monero will trade at a significant premium because of its privacy features.

>>60684265
>If that is a deal-breaker
What do you mean “if”? Kek. If you don’t pay taxes or don’t have a true legal claim to your house you’re going to get arrested. And guess what? The police know exactly where the house is! Good luck actually enjoying the property you bought if you have to flee it.

Just to recap, the reason this became a question is because the OPfed had such a strong reaction to SAEV culture and only wants to use Monero for the dark market, saying if we rise in price too much the liquidity won’t be there to sell and spend gains on a house. But we’re showing that even a house purchase on the dark market comes with major legal challenges that basically results in you not being able to live in the house you bought.

>>60684430
You have to pay land tax even if you inherit a house or after owning it for decades. I don't see how this is a problem of the market proper. That's just what owning a house is like in most places nowadays. I agree that sucks. You can't really do it fully off the books no matter what you use as payment, but you definitely can use Monero, gold, cows, etc. to buy it.

>>60684651
If you have to de-anonymize your house purchase through taxes or deeds, why use “the dark market” and Monero for the transaction?

>>60684671
Still better than using fiat.

>>60684087
OP is definitely not an OG lol and arguing with him doesn't further your goal. Make another thread to attract the retards of /biz/ if that's what you want. Fighting over the Monero General is like fighting over the block rewards by mining instead of just buying the coin which moves the price up (encouraging mining is a price suppression tactic btw). In 2018, link threads were like half the catalog so don't be shy.

>>60685339
There was another thread but OP literally got it shut down

With the censoriship of adult content on sites like patreon, steam and itch.io now would be a good time for someone to make a crypto based alternative.

Monero would be ideal for this from a privacy standpoint, however the problem is how difficult it is for creators who would be receiving monero to switch that back to €

EU really fucked adoption of monero. Some other market will likely be made for adult content, unlikely to use monero, but what would the alternative even be? btc is too expensive/slow and everything else is centralized and subject to the same censorship problem

>>60676440
>You’re just making shit up at this point. What is “viable” about any alternative to Monero? You can’t replicate its technology or network effects easily whatsoever. As I’ve said many times, privacy IS the utility itself. And only Monero has an established and tested crypto privacy network. That, in and of itself, is worth SAEVing in

I'm talking about safer, simpler, more convenient tradfi saving alternatives here. Bitfags always insist upon a false dilemma - either you buy BTC/crypto or you get raped by inflation, as if there aren't other, safer, simpler, more convenient tradfi solutions available that will also preserve your purchasing power without all the stress and drama

This inability to see things from the perspective of an average person is a crippling handicap

>We haven’t even gotten the SAEV culture off the ground. The obvious first target is people already in crypto who just fucking saw Tether freeze funds on orders of law enforcement. Why not appeal to them literally right now? Does it violate some stupid principle of yours?

Appeal how? By spamming more retarded price predictions?

I really want to hear your sales pitch, I'm guessing it involves the standard scumbag crypto influencer assurances of epic pumps and le generational wealth. Nigerian Prince mode in full effect.


>How are YOU going to buy a house in the counter economy? Are you going to secure a loan for it through an illegal bank? Basically every jurisdiction in the world has a deed/title system. How are you going to convince a local government to recognize your title to the house when there’s no record of the sale? You think they’ll believe that you got it for $1 and therefore owe no taxes? You fucking justify it fag.

Who ever said anything about buying houses, boats or fucking lambos in the counter-economy? The focus has always been primarily on e-commerce and the buying/selling of consumer goods that can be shipped through the mail. Think an unregulated underground Amazon.

>>60685401
>There was another thread but OP literally got it shut down

lol nigga plz, it got nuked because you faggots attempted a blatant hostile takeover and the jannies defaulted to the General format they've grown accustomed to. As has already been explained to you in the previous thread:

>>60648817
>The terrible investment meme has spread too far and wide. The entire board already associates Monero with self deprecating anti-moonfaggotry so you just come off as an inauthentic crypto grifter trying to pump his oh so heavy bags.

>>60685401
It was also called Monero General and even had the gay pasta. They were duplicates. It's perfectly analogous to having your block orphaned. Like I said, fighting over the general won't get you anywhere.

>>60685506
It was created first. This was the duplicate thread. The OP got the original thread deleted

>>60685523
Jannies determined this was the longest chain. Also you're missing the point.

>>60685494
>spamming
>Nigerian Prince
>retarded price predictions
>scumbag crypto influencer
>I want to hear your sales pitch
Obviously no you don’t. You want to just ridicule it with faggot react images. As usual.

It’s like you pretend all other crypto communities aren’t even real. Do you notice that XRP schizo general is constantly filled with retards? How do you think they got there? They’ve been religiously rippleposting for years.

Man, really seems like “scumbag crypto influencer” posting can have some staying power. Maybe the greatest currency ever should actually……market itself? Nah. Bake sale.

>>60685401
>>60685523
you are so fucking retardedly obvious about how you just want division in this very general and not just talk about moonfagging, i don't know or care what group you belong to but i am 100% sure you don't own a single xmr

>>60685546
>>It’s like you pretend all other crypto communities aren’t even real. Do you notice that XRP schizo general is constantly filled with retards? How do you think they got there? They’ve been religiously rippleposting for years.
>
>Man, really seems like “scumbag crypto influencer” posting can have some staying power. Maybe the greatest currency ever should actually……market itself? Nah. Bake sale.

Ah, and so the mask fully drops. Your first and only priority is securing exit liquidity for yourself no matter the cost to Monero's reputation and image.

Fucking lower ourselves to the level of cRrippletards just to make a buck, that's what you moonfags would have us do. Ugh.

>>60685597
I literally have a fuck ton. I am pissed off about the refusal to embrace marketing (despite the prophecy that marketing should start in earnest in 2025) instead of focusing all efforts on selling cookies.

It’s dumb!

>>60685630
>Your first and only priority is securing exit liquidity
Nigger, several times these past two threads YOU have directly admitted to being opposed to the price going up because it would be difficult for YOU to sell the top. >>60665308 Lying fucking faggot.

>>60685650

lol I've never been opposed to the price going up, I just want it to go up organically and with minimal volatility to ensure the Monero economy isn't negatively affected.

You prefer to take a damaging short-cut rather than working hard and waiting patiently.

>>60685686
>price goes up
>most people get excited
>OPfed, despondent, shouts "is it a certified ORGANIC™ increase?"
you're such a bitch

>>60685706

Now do Fartcoin.

>>60685715
Now do Bitcoin

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>>60685720
>Now do Bitcoin

>>60685722
nice cope bro. all those numbers are fake because you said so.

>>60685686
>organically
That's code for whatever you think is worthy. It's a moral judgement, not a economic or logical one.

>minimal volatility
The price going up and volatility can increase liquidity through several means. Anyone buying Monero from an XYK is dumping in USD to do so, giving sellers something to sell into.
The price going up also attracts market makers, particularly if it gives Monero enough popular support (among your dreaded moonboys) to be relisted at exchanges.
Volatility going up can also attract market makers, particularly because volatility and volume are strongly correlated.

This whole "Monero going up will rob is of volatility" thing is a fantasy. It's also odd given how often you people recommend to "just set a limit order"

>>60685686
>people buy cookies with XMR
Organic™
>people buy XMR because they love it and believe in its future
NNNNNOOOOOOO FFFFUUUUUUCKK

>>60685743
*will rob us of liquidity

>>60685782
Fuck monerobros, my XMR bakesale cookies contain non organic butter. KILL ME

>>60685732
>because you said so.

Not me. Different researchers from different places at different times have all reached similar conclusions. You dimwitted Bitfags simply can't accept the brutal, unsettling reality that you've all been bamboozled by more sophisticated market manipulators so you stick your heads in the sand in order to further indulge your delusional lambo fantasies and be able to sleep at night. You've already lost but won't actually realize it until this sordid house of cards finally implodes. Until then, the NGU circlejerk continues.

>>60685921
I knew you were going to post this one. If you actually took the time to read it, they conclude that manipulation of Bitcoin suppressed the price. Using it as some big gotcha is dumb.

>>60685743
>That's code for whatever you think is worthy. It's a moral judgement, not a economic or logical one.

In this context "organic" has always implied pegging the price action to economic activity: more and more consumers entering the economy drives demand for XMR (and locks it up for circulation) which pumps the price, organically.

>The price going up and volatility can increase liquidity through several means. Anyone buying Monero from an XYK is dumping in USD to do so, giving sellers something to sell into.
>The price going up also attracts market makers, particularly if it gives Monero enough popular support (among your dreaded moonboys) to be relisted at exchanges.
>Volatility going up can also attract market makers, particularly because volatility and volume are strongly correlated.

Notice how zero attention is being paid to the actual economy here. Drop by Dread the next time there's a pump & dump and see for yourself how damaging volatility can be for commerce, vendors will literally start mass-cancelling orders because they can't afford to eat the losses.

>>60685961
>they conclude that manipulation of Bitcoin suppressed the price. Using it as some big gotcha is dumb.

What they some researchers think might happen after market reform isn't the point here - the upward manipulation of BTC is.

>>60685965
Well in the long run increasing the market cap of Monero would increase liquidity and lower volatility. You wouldn't have situations like last month where a single guy trying to launder gains spiked the price 50%. Bigger market cap ultimately means a bigger pool to buy and sell into.

>>60685987
It's literally how investing works. For institutions, higher volatility=lower risk adjusted returns=smaller allocation as they are scared off. You don't just get to argue A=B therefore W.

Are you a woman?

>>60685988
>Well in the long run increasing the market cap of Monero would increase liquidity and lower volatility. You wouldn't have situations like last month where a single guy trying to launder gains spiked the price 50%. Bigger market cap ultimately means a bigger pool to buy and sell into.

Market cap is a meaningless metric here, its just Current Price × Total Circulating Supply. This simple formula assumes that every unit of the asset could be sold at the current market price, which is completely false in practice. The price itself might reflect only the most recent trade, often involving a tiny volume, not the true price someone would pay for a large chunk.

Not to mention market cap can be manipulated by wash trading. Even if only a few tokens are traded at an inflated price, that price is used to compute the full market cap. Example: A project with 100M tokens and one wash trade at $1 = $100M market cap, even if no one would actually pay $1 in the open market.


lol how can you faggots be so damn lazy? Does the prospect of hard work and delayed gratification rally unnerve you THAT much? I realize its so much easier to just spam retarded price predictions on social media but come on!

>>60686087
If it’s so meaningless why are you so against it increasing? You know, besides your idea that it hurts YOUR exit liquidity like you already admitted to.

>>60659769
Why does the cold wallet computer need a webcam?

>>60686166
>If it’s so meaningless why are you so against it increasing?

Who said that? I'm merely pointing out how easily manipulated market cap is.


>You know, besides your idea that it hurts YOUR exit liquidity like you already admitted to.

Well, clearly!

>>60686193
>Why does the cold wallet computer need a webcam?

QR codes are used to sign the TX.

>>60684087
>That is a strategy to prevent going up for as long as possible.
Lol no it doesn't

>>60686220
K thanks

>>60686087
If the price/market cap doubled on kraken tomorrow, that means there is at least one person or market maker willing to provide double the USD, double the purchasing power in goods, for the same amount of XMR. That doesn't mean everyone would be able to, things like volume, attraction to new market makers and investors would also factor in, but it's not meaningless. Liquidity in US dollar terms would go up.

>>60685686
>working hard and waiting patiently
Creating new narratives is hard work. Drawing a clear distinction between HODL (buy and hope for a 1000x in profits) and SAEV (buy and spend on whatever you want at your leisure) so that people can stop conflating the two is hard work. Getting people to see that marketing XMR as digital cash means expecting people to do things that They'd do with physical cash, like put it aside for a rainy day, is hard work. Floating the idea that marketing XMR as what tether should be (a cash equivalent token that trades against every other crypto and allows the market to remain liquid, backed by the digital economy) isn't exactly antithetical to any existing narratives around the coin, is hard work. Not getting it twisted and remembering that the agora culture in the Monero community only exists because Monero is peer to peer electronic cash, and admitting maybe the other anons ITT have a point in saying that it's not about agora, is hard work. Talking about this stuff without devolving into calling everyone a moonfagging glownigger, is hard work.

Qubic won.
It's over.

What the fuck is happening

>>60687490
Moonfags are in control I repeat moonfags are in control
Trust the plan. Monero is now a number go up coin

>>60687490
It's over for bakecels

>>60683834
Thanks, ill keep researching
what do you reccomend to mine? a entirely separate pc or can i safely do it in the pc Ill be building, hopefully, soon

>ctrl+f "bake"
>14 results
>ctrl+f "porcfest"
>18 results
>>60687490
It's one doofus switching IPs pretending to be different anons.