Getting into med school is automatically making it. You never have to worry about job security or money again. Why didn't you do it?

The existential dread I've had for nearly 2 decades prevented me from doing so.

>>60675757 (OP)
Does this look infected to you?

>>60675770
You could have been like Michael Debakey. You could have studied something you find incredibly cool, saved hundreds of grandmas and grandpas, made a fuckton of money and advanced our understanding of disease.

So why didn't you apply to med school? If you had gotten in, you wouldn't have to worry about the markets.

Im trying its fucking hard

>>60675757 (OP)
you have to actually pass med school. i dropped out after 1st semester because i hated it and because anatomy and physiology is really hard when it's taught and breakneck speed + poor memorization skills + wasnt a bio undergrad so literally never saw it before.

>>60675806
Getting in is hard, but you have to be excellent to be a doctor. No excuses!

>>60675809
Med school was easy as fuck. Only some standardized tests are on the tougher side, but even these are no biggie at the end of the day.

>>60675818
>Med school was easy as fuck.
idk what country youre from but its not easy in the USA. i remember covering 3k power point slides in 5 weeks and then taking an exam on it. i mean maybe its easier if you have good memorization skills and were a bio undergrad, but its not easy.

fwiw i scored 95th percentile on the physical sciences section of the old MCAT (and like 75th percentile on the bio and verbal sections) so im not a complete dunce.

>>60675843
Skill issue. Do you understand the concept of 'high yield'?
Med school is EASY.

Is med school even worth it in the UK? I went to my GP today and was like no way I'd want to be in her position. Would rather be a tech bro and earn more money with less stress

>>60675757 (OP)
dont like old people

>>60675757 (OP)
Ow that’s why there are so many med students around?

My intelligence and attention span isn't good enough to be entrusted to someone else's health matters

>>60675757 (OP)
This is actually not true.

Medicine is a regulated profession. Normgroids don't realize what it means to be in a regulated profession. The consequence of fucking up even SLIGHTLY can include being banned from it for years or even for life.

If you as a doctor get accused of improper behavior or a dozen other things, you can have a whole legalistic process hanging over your head in a way you wouldn't in most other jobs.

Don't do medicine.

>>60675757 (OP)
That's a lot of shit to remember

>>60675973
This is the low IQ take. What it really means to be in a regulated profession is that they control the supply of labor, meaning you will never be subject to market forces and are guaranteed an above average income no matter what happens.

How soon can AI squeeze some of these overpaid jews out? Healthcare costs are crazy. The whole doctor bs is a forced bottleneck. Doctors, Nurse Practitioners, Dentists, etc all purposefully have limited enrollment and make no attempts to increase it. And that's on top of the stupid amount of schooling before you are good to go. The process needs streamlining.

>>60675973
> If you as a doctor get accused of improper behavior or a dozen other things, you can have a whole legalistic process hanging over your head in a way you wouldn't in most other jobs

This. I knew a doctor and he told me it happens all the time and is why he has his own private bar so he doesn’t get caught doing something that will ruin his professional image and get banned from his profession

>>60675757 (OP)
Too stressful. Leave it to indians.

>>60675757 (OP)
I can't do this at 32. I'm terribly poor too.

>>60676010
guaranteed to be abused by your superiors and go through REAL, LITERAL humiliation rituals

You are only know doctors by acquaintance at best.

>>60675757 (OP)
did residency turn u schizo or why u keep baking these breads

>>60675757 (OP)
Didn’t trust myself enough to not burn out and have a mental breakdown in med school so the sticker price scared me away. But as a chemistry major, the retards I saw who thought intro organic chemistry was the hardest thing they’ve ever done who later got into med school and became doctors has me thinking I 100% could have done it. Was thinking I would have done radiology though, which has already been being mogged by AI

>>60675757 (OP)
>just go to school for 10 years and go into unfathomable student loan debt
gonna need to see your nose asap

>>60676154
Debt is paid off in like a few years with 300 or 400k starting.
Every doctor in america makes 500k

>>60675757 (OP)
I'm low key retarded. I can barely read more than a couple paragraphs.
Biology wasn't so bad, but I just couldn't grasp chem. Would never have passed if it weren't for cute sympathetic smart lab partner in HS helping me.

>>60676163
>300 or 400k starting
You are a massive retard

>>60675757 (OP)
>Spend your youth studying to end up 300K in debt
>work 12 hour shifts in one of the most stressful fields
In a way yes.
But it's also fucking hard, and the price of making it is endless stress, debt and years of your time.

I make as much as a general practitioner on a bachelor's degree with much less BS.

T. Hospital adminfag.

Too much work just to be a betabux. I don’t want to spend what’s left of youth in extreme stress and then probably my working career in extreme stress.

>>60675757 (OP)
for the love of god please don't go to med school if your primary goal is to make money.

>>60675757 (OP)
I'd honestly rather do a basic cyber security wfh job than deal with working in a hospital. Hospitals are soul sucking like airports or the DMV

Everyone says don't go into Medicine if you just want to make money but every 40-45 year old doctor i see is driving an expensive car, some have multiple expensive cars, massive houses and are making a lot of money for minimal work.

>>60675757 (OP)

I'm too retarded.

>>60675757 (OP)
>job security
Every doctor that refused the mRNA injection got fired and blacklisted

>>60675757 (OP)
My cousin was in med school and residency till he was 42 hears old. Sure he makes $300k a year now, but I mean holy shit 42 fucking years mooching off daddy, borrowing money from Mr.Shecklestein, and golddigging nurses is crazy. Im looking to be retired by 50. I can't imagine just starting out in life at 42. Its crazy.

>>60675884
In UK you can work in australia after a few years of practice.

>>60675757 (OP)
i dont trust doctors and wouldnt want to be one. i know im smarter than most people and yet, like Socrates, i know i know nothing. but doctors think they know everything.
why would i want to be a hubristic asshole?

>>60676131
Nothing is being mogged by AI. At best it’s a nice tool but way too unreliable (and stupid) to be trusted as replacing doctors for years to come. It’s just people who don’t know what medicine is really like, parroting bullshit. Also another thing people outside the profession don’t know is that there are practically an endless amount of people who want help. Endless amount of patients. So even if AI got somewhat decent, at best it would just nicely speed up the amount of people we can treat.

>>60679365
AI already outperforms doctors at diagnostics. because doctors think they know everything.
only AI could know everything. its not there yet, but its closer than doctors.

Why does everything have to be tedious and stupid? Doctors used to be schooled for like 4 years then sent out into the wild. It wasn't this heavily centralized guild system that demanded 15 years of service before being allowed to work. They were basically tradesmen+, as were pharmacists. Everything is expensive because we made it tedious and obfuscated.

>>60675757 (OP)
After gaining conscious I had 2 choices, military industrial complex to automate killing people or become a bum.

Becoming a doctor wasn't in the cards

>>60679361
Kek funny how it’s always the low iqs who think they’re smart. Of course doctors don’t think they know everything, it’s obvious the moment you start studying the most complex machine on earth. It’s stupid as fuck to think that other people aren’t as human and empathetic as you.

>>60679386
quadruplevaxxed post

>>60679408
Well meme’d, sir.

>>60679386
Doctors don't study the human body, they memorise 30k ppt slides a year for half a decade or more. The training is designed to make thinking impossible. All brain power is dedicated to memorising. You do not have time to reflect and you certainly don't have time or authority to question. You are totally buckbroken enforcers of whatever the medical Jew decides is the law of medicine. All the sunk cost and the high status bestowed on doctors is to incentivise you sticking to the script willingly.

>>60675787
So many of our surgical instruments were pioneered by this guy. Nearly every tray has a Debakey forcep

>>60675865
Stop lying faggot. It wasn't. Unless you're already working in the medical setting, it's your first exposure to the human body

>>60680200
>sticking to the script willingly.
That is definitely not what we do

>>60675757 (OP)
AI will replace you

>>60680248
Not in our lifetime retard

>>60675757 (OP)
From the google:

>The suicide rate among male physicians is 1.41 times higher than the general male population, the relative risk for female physicians is even more pronounced at 2.27 times greater than the general female population.

U.K. here so different from the US, but suspect not so different. Had quiet a few friends do medicine and all are miserable, but once you start you are totally locked in via sunken cost fallacy. Imagine losing your entire youth to training, having to marry a female doctor hag wife (nurses are retarded sluts), basically committing to endless night shifts and working over Christmas, and at the end of the day even later in your career earning only v v low 6 figures. I’m a manager for an international company earning more than a late career NHS surgeon and have comparably zero stress and infinitely more flexibility. As a doctor you can either: 1) spend your days dealing with literally disgusting people; 2) do a mind numbingly boring repetitive speciality like ophthalmics; 3) waste all the training and years of experience to become a GP signing prescriptions forced to listen to bored house wives and pensioners. Again, U.K. perspective but medicine now is a complete trap — the only thing which keeps it going is sham prestige which is rapidly running out in the U.K. as who really wants to be a medical doc when they are now all pajeets and worn out roasties?

Why would you pick a career where have to work long hours dealing with retarded normalfaggots and their disgusting health problems?

>>60679377
In my country (finland) med students start working in wards after four years and as a general practicioners and emergency rooms after the fifth year. And here gps do a lot of things that specialized doctors do in USA, like basic gynecology stuff, treating basic anxiety/depression ect. And we have no ”pre-med”. Indeed the american system is needlessly complicated.

I did.

Pros: good women will fuck you and marry you, you have prestige, your parents are proud, you can live comfortably, you get insight into the human condition and get acclimated with your own senescence and mortality

Cons: it doesn't scale well, you mostly sell your time, your coworkers are backstabbers psychopaths and idiots, massive opportunity cost, even though it's very varied, it gets kind of repetitive once the training ends

Could be worse but I wouldn't do it again, mainly because I can't do anything else without a massive decrease in pay

>>60680594
Yeah getting top tier women is definitely the biggest pro. If you aren’t that sexual, maybe medicine isn’t for you.

>>60680200
Not to mention all the office and records protocol shit they have to deal with. That alone is a fuck-no from me.

The bottom line is anyone smart, hardworking, and motivated enough to pursue medicine could earn more working doing something much more interesting with far lower stress.

The only benefit to medicine unless you are a genuinely altruistic personality type (which most doctors are very much not) is the fake prestige which is rapidly, rapidly being eroded by the fact that a simple Google search and now certainly AI can do a majority of medical roles as well if not better.

There’s a reason suicide and depression rates are so high in the profession, and why divorce rape is so common.

Go onto any doctors investment forum and you’ll find them all bitching about being trapped in a life they hate peer pressured into massive lifestyle creep as the kind of women who marry doctors are exactly the kind who want the luxury car, lake house second home, etc, whilst Dr Tim slaves away on night shifts and secretly placates himself with an addiction to prescription drugs.

Better just to get a PhD if you really need others to call you Dr to feel your ego is satisfied in life.

>>60680594
If you have the intelligence to become a doctor you likely have the intelligence to have built a business that scales up

Why don’t you open your own doctors office? That can scale bigly

>>60680281
Yeah it will very soon 99% of doctors are just glorified dictionaries, only highly specialized shit like surgeons will survive the AI takeover.

>>60680702
Because I dislike doing banal stuff as fast and often as possible

>>60680734
You have no idea

>>60680664
Most doctors I know including me have a doctor as spouse, it's great because many other women are kind of stupid from a man's point of view

>>60680607
The best part is already being in med school unlocks this

>>60680664
>anyone smart, hardworking, and motivated enough to pursue medicine could earn more working doing something much more interesting with far lower stress
>"MY DELICATE GAY BRAIN CANNOT HANDLE STRESS, UWU"
You are GAY! So what if you have stressful cases, you feminine homo? Go get an email job if you don't want to actually work on something where the stakes are real.

>>60680498
Just go to Australia or Dubai. Or choose a specialty where you can easily have your own practice. What are you even talking about?

>>60680594
This is accurate, but many of the cons can be mitigated, e.g. by dipping into research/pharma/consulting/healthtech etc. You do have to be a tryhard though.

>>60675757 (OP)
Maybe in the US. Elsewhere it's a huge amount of work for little income or job security.

t unemployed UK doc

>>60681487
Why are you in the UK and not Australia or Dubai?

>>60681520
Im going to move, it's a completely shit career here

>>60675757 (OP)
law school beats med school every time, medfags will never cease to cope and seethe

you get your degree way earlier, same job security because everyone needs lawyers all the time, roughly same pay grade, arguably higher SMV, plus you can open your own practive without needing to buy 10mil in high tech equipment.

>>60681605
I'll take surgery over any other job. Very few thrills like it. Plus you get to work as a team and socialize while you're working

>>60675757 (OP)
What about when you get sued for malpractice and lose that license? Doctors are just licensed drug dealers anyways.

Getting a swiss visa is automatically making it. You never have to worry about job security or money again. Why didn't you get one?

>>60675757 (OP)
you'll be replaced by AI in 5 years, I'd suggest switching to something else

this is not a troll post

>>60675865
kek my mom is a doctor and she says med school is so easy now because all students do is study thousands of high yield questions and do well on exams.

>>60675757 (OP)
I became a pharmacist instead. School was shorter and less expensive, the work is mind-numbingly dull and easy, and the pay is still decent. I invested most of my disposable income over the 10 years that I worked and was able to retire recently.

>>60682820
gen surgery sounds like such an awesome job man.

>>60675757 (OP)

I did. Psychiatrist. Make more than most surgeons with super chill lifestyle. Can do my job anywhere, like seeing you fags via Zoom from a boat in the Mediterranean Sea. I go in-person to do procedures, teach med students, and also got into leadership (lot of protected time to do nothing). Super modular job, can Lego-build whatever lifestyle you want.

Some shrinks just cover call shifts at a rural hospital for $40 grand per weekend, work a few weekends a year and #travel the rest of the time.

It didn't help me find a spouse because I didn't realize university was the best place to find a good partner. My standards are too high now because I was surrounded by Ivy League foreign nobility type kids all my life. Now 99% of women feel like retarded low-class trash. Even most female doctors only care about attention, clout, reality TV, celebrities, etc. Women have innate desires towards those (social) values, just like how even the most accomplished men still just want to fuck hot teens (i.e. Epstein and friends).

This is a great path if you have the brains, social skills (to charm all the higher-ups along the way), work ethic, and mental toughness. Med school and residency will make you want to quit. Many peers I knew were literally suicidal. Even the super-Stacy Ivy League cheerleading captain got depressed and struggled.

Most ppl also came from rich families. I never met anyone who came from a poor background. Even the black and brown kids were from elite African families connected to their country's president, or Hispanics with blue eyes, Scandinavian last names, and Daddy owned all the supermarkets in Puerto Rico or some shit.

>>60681487
It’s great in my country (finland). Working as a gp i can just name my hours, take as much unpaid leave as i want and still get paid more than 97% of the population.

>>60682922
General surgery is ok. It has enough variety to stay fun. Orthopedics to me is the most fun though. I enjoy the work a lot and you get to work with mostly men. Patients are generally a lot healthier than other specialties

>>60683059
Funny that for being a psychiatrist, you don’t realise how much your view is warped by your environment. Indeed you yourself say that despite Trump being american ”royalty”, he enjoys fucking hot bimbos. There is nothing special about elite people, some rural person from bumfuck of a white country can be just as intelligent as some elite citydweller. We humans are all the same. Hell, just look at napoleonic wars where in a truly pvp environment sons of beer brewers rose to Napoleon’s generals and started beating 1000 year old blood line royals. In my country, where all education is free, there are a lot of people from working class backgrounds that get into medschool easier than kids from better families. Getting in is the hellish part here. It’s pretty eye opening actually to how much people’s social position depends on their environment and choices rather than actual talents.

But thanks for the info on psychiatry, genuinely thinking of maybe specialising in it, just need to get used to all loonies at first haha. But then again, i’ve been on 4chan since 2008 so i’ve got load of experience about them.

>>60683189
i want to work with cute doctor girls doe.

>>60683268
Working with women is very different from fucking them, you’ll see if you get more actual experience with them. They’re soft as fuck and will feel hurt from the slightest comment or harder tone of voice. Ironically despite what incels say here, women are the ultimate upholders of rules and want everyone to play along as nice as possible. They have this doll house thing where everyone is super nice to each other at face value all the time. Really exhausting to keep up as a man as were more prone to humour and being blunt, but if you don’t play along they get hurt and start feeling hostility against you because of their softness.

>>60683268
> cute doctor girls
Female doctors are pretty rough friend. Trust me.

No girl with looks bothers going into medicine as they have tonnes of better options these days. Then the girls that do are the most boring, career focused, humourless women you will ever meet. You will have fresh 23 year old female doctors who remind you of headmistresses. By 40 when they decide they might want to start dating you'll be lucky if they learn what mascara is.

>>60683311
Yeah a lot of them are pretty ugly. You do get some cute ones with a good personality but they're taken

>>60683394
Honestly I've been practicing for 4 years and I've known one (1) hot female doctor. Then about 2 hot nurses, given 99% are just indians. It's not a field for dating. Male doctors put way more work into looks and being likeable than female ones. Female doctors think their number of first named publications raises their dating appeal.

>>60683405
Yeah that's true. They tried to hook me up with a fattie, I had to give them the "I don't date coworkers" spiel. It just sucks because I work with so many females in all roles but 95% of them are not my type and the ones that could be I'm just not attracted to

>>60675757 (OP)
As a medfag I'm not so sure....
Graduated 4 years ago, this is my first post residency year.
I make around $160kpretax, 32 unmarried, haven't had close friends in decades, only sex I get is from horny jeetas once every other month.
I deal with the absolute dregs of society every single night. My recent worst was when one of them tried to stab me with a drug needle. Filled that mf up with so much haldol I hope he's dystonic for the rest of his life kek.
I'm nearly 200kin the hole with student loans, mostly federal.

>>60683435
>Cont.
The spam filter on biz is fucking retarded.
I pay 600/month for the private, haven't touched the federal in years because of forbearance
Nor do I plan to because I don't feel represented by my government, they should have done their research before investing in me. No refunds.

>>60683445
>Jfc what exactly is so spammy about this
My place looks like a hoarders shed because I don't have the will to do anything but rot in bed when I'm home.
I'm pretty much fucking miserable and don't see my life getting any better.

>>60683445
They're gonna get their money. There's literally no way to escape it

>>60683453
You need to start pumping your body with endorphins. Get into running or cycling. After two weeks of staying consistent doing it every other day you'll feel significantly better and get the fire back. It helped me a lot and I got my groove back

>>60683469
> medics
> having time to run every other day
Literally every single you do outside of work means less than 8 hours sleep. Cook dinner? 7 hours.
Dinner and gym? 5 and a half hours.

I myself elected to have a kid which means 4-5 hours max as a rule.

>>60683508
You work in healthcare bud. If you can't survive on 5 hours sleep during the week then find another profession

>>60682820
>Plus you get to work as a team and socialize while you're working
you say that like it's a good thing

>>60683536
Well i personally do as I have a kid but I don't think its healthy or worth it. I feel line a eunuch with literally zero sex drive for the past year and i think it's down to chronic sleep deprivation. Might be worth it if I wasn't a bong doctor who brings in about £3.2k per month post tax. Genuinely thinking of taking a break soon and considering different career options.

>>60683468
What are you gonna go do? Force me to work?
Sell my my soxl and qqqi? My hbar bags?
Kek

>>60675757 (OP)
I’m not that great of a student and my GPA in CS was barely above a 3.0 so I doubt I would be able to get in. But I got into a FAANG and made 200k+ since early 20’s with no debt and am now a multi millionaire in my early 30’s making almost half a million a year.

My job security definitely isn’t as good as a doctor but the fact I got to start a decade before them means I benefit from compounding interest. Just my invested money alone is throwing off hundreds of thousands/year. Doctors don’t even break even until mid-late 30’s after taking into account medical debt so while they can become rich, it’s not until well into middle age that they can actually enjoy their money and it would be silly to retire early given how many decades you needed to prepare for your career.

>>60680200
Interesting it's like army boot camp where most of the point is to buck break people. Getting strong or learning something, respectively, is just a side effect. Then they go in the field and learn what they actually need to know. Same with college tbqh

>>60683654
Stress can completely kill your sex drive. I work 30/h a week and take 2.5 months off every year and i’m horny as fuck most of the time, 32 yo too.

>>60675757 (OP)
Cause I don't wanna be a doctor.

>>60683435
>>60683445
>160k pretax
You better be working part time. How is it even possible to be paid so little? Midlevels in derm make more than you. And why didn't you choose a higher paying specialty? Were you that bad in med school?

>>60683896
Well done. There is a place in the world for techbros and I have a soft spot in my heart for them. Money well earned, hope you live a long and healthy life to enjoy it anon.

>>60683905
This isn't true. If you want to be a top-tier doctor, med school is important for a strong theoretical basis. And why would you want to be a mediocre doctor?
Bottom line about memorization is: if you don't know the theoretical information like the back of your hand, when the time comes for you to effectively combine it in a time-sensitive, high-stress situation, where you have to make decisions with incomplete information, you are going to fuck up 10% of the time. And if you hurt 10% of your patients, you'll be out of a job in a week.

I'm so happy that medicine exists bros. I somehow maintain the same enthusiasm I had when I first put on a white coat, all these years later.

>>60676972
Thats after decades, not years, decades of going through bullshit, stress, and humiliation to make it to the sugar daddy stage of MD.

I was in a medicine family, got to see how MD's act behind closed doors. Not a single one of them told me to go into medicine; they all said to stay fucking clear.

Yeah, they all had swanky ass houses, ranches, expensive vacations. But thats a sort of cope from having to go through the medical profession. The best and brightest of our family brutally killed himself when his wife spurred the idea of a divorce, left kids behind and the things his mom said when she heard the news killed the idea completely.

>>60679377
Mexico kept that mentality and you'll have a 24 year old in the OR with you who's soaking up all the practical knoweledge like a sponge. It's just like trades, you go to college to prove your not a complete retard, then medical+residency at the same time so you can 1:1 see how your book knoweledge applies in the real world.

Yeah you can fuck up and pay for a cheap surgeon down there and get your organs harvested, but if you pay a premium (1 day stay in the er) you're treated like trump.
>t. Had 3 hernias worked on in Mexico

>>60683896
Pretty much this.
My cousin just finished his fellowship and is only finally making decent money for the first time in his life now, in the middle of his 30s, has half a million in loans that he can’t just pay off immediately because he has a wife and kids now because he found a woman while in school and telling a woman to just be broke another couple years after putting up with it for a decade when you’re bringing home 200k is a good way to get a divorce. There’s better ways to make money.

>>60685031
>200k
>decent money
>mid thirties after doing a fellowship
What's he doing, infectious diseases? If your cousin cared about money, he could have chosen a specialty that pays multiples. Some are not even that competitive, you can make millions off heme/onc locums.

>>60684968
Many such cases. I don't care, I like the work too much.

>>60683291
It's just like the Barbie movie. Every night is girls night and if they had it their way men would be pets.

>>60680702
You don't really have to be intelligent to graduate med school
>medfag for 13 years

>>60682820
Who the fuck wants to socialize with work drones? Also surgery while based in general because it's actual hands on medicine where real skill shines is a life draining speciality.

>>60675787
I wouldn’t have gotten in because I was below a 2.0 GPA and on probation at one point.

>>60683268
No, you don't.

I hate doctors, I hate hospitals and most of all, I hate medication and medicine. If I could choose a class of people to be made into ground beef for animal feed I would choose doctors.

>>60683654
3.2k
Jesus Christ... yurop bro here, radiology, wfh, 6-7k € after taxes @ 75% part-time, workload is fine

Yeah, but you basically have to slave work for eternity.

>>60684880
>if you don't know the theoretical information like the back of your hand, when the time comes for you to effectively combine it in a time-sensitive, high-stress situation, where you have to make decisions with incomplete information, you are going to fuck up 10% of the time. And if you hurt 10% of your patients, you'll be out of a job in a week.

I have never heard any old doctor or teacher in medschool say this. It’s always more like ”eh mistakes happen, most important thing is to learn from them”. You can’t know everything 100%, and even doctors have things in their lives other than work. Just doing your best 40-50h/week is enough, and other doctors agree. ”Just study and work all the time!” is some mind numbing pajeet shit.

doctors of biz seem to have plenty of time to post here. I hope I am never treated by a chud that is posting pepes while my life is on the line

>>60685358
Doctors are normal people too kek

>>60685367
nobodywho posts here is normal

>>60685394
You'd be surprised.

>>60684880
Specialty?

>>60685358
Yeah fuck them normies right? We are legion