Thread 60691343

What other blockchain can store an entire website like this like a regular web provider?

>>60691343 (OP)
What value does this bring being on the blockchain

Post a link and let us try it out

>>60691351
Being a web provider that’s not Amazon or google. It’s like saying what value Linux has competing with windows and apple.

>>60691351
Presumably immutable, innit?

>>60691343 (OP)
video hosting isn't a feat, scalable livestreaming is though

>>60691369
Except ICP is basically almost entirely hosted on Amazon web services and Cloudfare right? Some multiple TB were not long ago atleast.

>>60691377
False. ICP is the only one fully on chain. caffein rn is not fully on icp but all the websites and apps made on caffeine are stored on ICP. Please do not spread disinformation

>>60691387
This isn't misinformation I promise you. ICP devs legit confronted this on the forums not that long ago?

>>60691387
>stored on ICP
but how many of the nodes run on Amazon instances?

>>60691387
https://forum.dfinity.org/t/enquiry-how-many-terabytes-of-data-is-dfinity-hosting-on-aws/23689 I usually don't like link posting but heres one for reference. This is however quite old now, might be different.

>>60691369
there is no reason to host this kind of stuff on chain. this is just retarded.
odysee has been online for years. so yes others can do it.

>>60691377
>>60691401
Try harder with your disinfo fud, you gorilla monkey retard.

>>60691424
>The Internet Computer doesn’t rely on AWS; however, we do utilize AWS S3 as a data store for build artifacts.

Just because they DFINITY uses AWS S3 as a blob data store for development purposes doesn't mean ICP uses AWS (it doesn't). Data is stored natively on ICP at the price of $5/GB per year.

Learn how to read, you monkey.

caffeine runs on hedera tho lol
also they created an icp “youtube” years back, literally the same shit

>>60691343 (OP)
>look inside
>it's just AWS buckets

>>60691343 (OP)
I too can host docker containers.

>>60691835
Why so aggresive?

fudders in disbelief as their blockchain can only move token from a to b

>>60691835
tweaking

>>60692007
fudding

>>60691343 (OP)
Not gonna lie. I'm rooting for ICP if it means an end to the h1b streetshitting poojeet menace.

>>60692015
Are you incapable of discussing things without tweaking? I could care less if anyone buys or sells icp. Never insulted anyone.

I love watching videotube on my internet computer

Still no link posted yet brag about this

>>60691351
>>60691369
>>60691469
>>60691387
icp is not a blockchain
nobody in this thread runs their own icp node
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WT-nsneEDA

>>60691835
what does your node use?

>>60691343 (OP)
okay so what I have to spend icy piss tokens to interact with your street shitting scam?

>>60691835
>Data is stored natively on ICP at the price of $5/GB per year.
I can get 20GB per year for $10 with a low end VPS.
What business advantage does hosting my business website "onchain" confer over simply hosting it on a cheap VPS?
Decentralisation doesn't matter to me as a legitimate business with no risk of being shutdown for legal reasons.

>>60692035
do you know what a DAO is? everyone can vote whether to allow your node.
obviously dfinity will have the biggest say for some time.

>>60692058
nobody knows what your business is. do you need web3? if not, stick to web2.

>>60692227
People are so seething that retarded faggots don't get to have a say.
Kek

>>60692227
that's not what a DAO is lol
a blockchain only exists on your node
not your node? not a blockchain, not decentralized, no need to not centralize

this >>60692058
if there's no blockchain, you can make it as centralized as you possibly can
the line in the sand is very clear: no own node? no chain

>>60691343 (OP)
Instant deployment is cool but the problem is this app can’t scale. Same with any serious app on icp. It can’t compete with web2. You can’t have full multiplayer games fully on chain due to it being asynchronous. This applies with a lot of applications that requires high activity.
Cool you can create a web2 copy frontend of some apps but no way can compete for backend scaling unless it’s a static website or a website that stores little data. They fucking crashed almost all the main subnets because of fucking Bob. They have no where near the capacity to host a legitimate YouTube, bitchute, and rumble. Which is the exact reason why the person that made dsocial went a hybrid model. The storage and deliverable capabilities aren’t there. Pretty much the biggest flaw about icp apart from the endless dumping

>>60692545
>that's not what a DAO is lol
huh? you CAN run YOUR node -- if we vote yes. but i will vote no because you are retarderd.

>it's not deCEntraLIZed!
#1 nakamoto coefficient in blockchain.
https://chainspect.app/dashboard/decentralization

>>60692565
Shhh let them think the entire current internet and MORE in capabilities will run on ICP

>>60693254
>le shhhhh!

>They fucking crashed almost all the main subnets because of fucking Bob.
bob exists on one single subnet. when you can't even keep the fud honest.

>>60692035
ICP is the only blockchain with provable real decentralization. He talks about the problem of Ethereum that someone can theoretically buy many stacks of 32 ETH and pretend to be many different identities and then there is a lot of unseen centralization. With ICP NNS you get a guarantee that the validators are different people from different geographic regions which is much safer. Also, they need to sign legal agreements which makes it safer to protect against collusion.

Also where the FUCK is the Ethereum DAO? They don't have one. So how can you call that decentralized when not everyone can be part of deciding how the protocol upgrades and changes over time.

Wake up and realize that ICP is more decentralized and built on better principles than Ethereum. It is safer for the long term.

ICP needs to replace Ethereum ASAP.

>>60692058
>Decentralisation doesn't matter to me
Fucking obviously retard, you've built a centralised business and probably profit from it.
The fact that you think the only benefit of decentrality is the ability to deny legal accountability is lulz tho.

does this mean that the videos themselves are stored on a blockchain? if so it's the most retarded thing i've ever seen

>>60693330
Imagine not knowing what happened with Bob. They put it on the most popular subnet and crashed it several times then tried moving it then eventually just gave up removed the pow system entirely and just made it a blackhole lottery system.

I used to have respect for the icp community since there were some smart ones in the bunch now it’s just a bunch of retarded midwits. Almost everybody worthwhile has jumped ship.

>>60693349
Decentralization is a meme and it’s really decentralized since dfinity has a back door to take illegal content down. They didn’t even have the balls to keep a shitty mario64 emulator and you think they would do anything controversial?
Also the trade off isn’t even worth it. You get a slower shittier version of your website hosting it on icp and instead of bezos having the power to take it down it’s fucking dom.
Icp doesn’t even do any controversial frontends. Still no pornsite and still no piratebay frontend which are both easy fucking usecase to spread adoption. Have fun baggies.

>>60693514
>>60693526
you are a dishonest person. i've debunked you in like 3 threads already.

The capability to upload and store video is not what makes youtube, youtube

ITs the ability to store millions of hours of video per week, the search and recommend algorithm, the millions of dollars required to moderate and most importantly the ability to serve ads using proprietary software (adsense) so that they can make a good cut of the revenue

>>60693558
>muh debunking
Nothing has been debunked.
Icp isn’t decentralized, caffeine is a nothing burger, icp does even have close the capabilities of hosting any serious application and doesn’t have the balls to host anything controversial
Please prove me wrong on each of these points

>>60693583
Icp baggies are midwits and will never understand this.

>>60692572
>you CAN run YOUR node
show us your node

>>60692572
>nakamoto coefficient
SYBIL RESISTANCE IS NOT A MEASURE OF DECENTRALIZATION YOU FUCKING RETARDED MONKEY

>>60693349
do you run your own icp node?
show us

no node = not decentralized

>>60693526
>Decentralization is a meme
it's not a meme
see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WT-nsneEDA

>>60693773
A fully decentralized system is fucking retarded and dfinity has even stated this. You’re also assuming that icp is considered decentralized when they can take down content whenever they want back to my point nothing controversial will ever be posted on icp because they are a bunch of retarded pussies trying to get their scheme to go long as possible for their payrolls

>>60693349
>Also, they need to sign legal agreements
Imagine writing this and thinking its a good thing.

Wow I'm sure this site won't have any CP on it at all...

>>60693583
>>60693741
You sound like an NPC. guess what happens when aws/google datacenters pulls the plug of your favourite website.. ICP is the only one left bcz its fully on chain...

>>60694149
lol you just create another one like what the the piratebay and streameast does but again icp doesn’t have the balls to host anything controversial and can’t even do that so they would take down anything like that faster than aws does. There’s no appeal for the trade off you get for meme of decentralization vs the all the performance you lose when switching from web2 to icp. Honestly you can hate on the hybrid model but nothing on chain will ever be able to compete with web2. So have fun with your shitty apps where the best application that has made the most money is a retarded fake pow coin developed by some kiwis

>>60694201
literally this. notice they didn't post the link because they didn't want people to post material that would get it taken down

>>60694201
>nobody ever beats Yahoo.

TL;DR go trade anusmemecoins onj3wlana.

>>60694024
>fully
you either can sync the node, or not
there is no in between
do you have a icp node?

>>60694149
>its fully on chain...
you don't have the chain

>>60691469
So you have no issue with all the capital and power YouTube has? Their ability to influence people’s very lives? Jfc

>>60694239
I mean if someone successfully creates a video site on ICP that has good videos I'll watch it but my guess is it will be immediately flooded with CP and taken down. Not gonna invest in ICP tho

>>60694229
Literally have to go through an approval process for the nodes and the majority of the current nodes are owned by 3 companies. So yeah no decentralization. Don’t care if a server is a min $30k but the fact you have to get approved is the stupidest thing and people still claim it’s decentralized like a bunch of retards

>>60694267
They literally did this is 2022 with dsocial it was a huge nothing burger

>>60694212
You’re comparing web2 sites competing with each other versus some retarded blockchain project that is basically a cripple stuck in a cage on performance. Cool it has a little bit of security but the tradeoff is not worth giving up your legs for security vs being able to run actual good apps. You’re competing with web2 if the performance is worst than web2 nobody will use it.

>>60691835
>$5/GB year
that is so fucking shit