Thread 60725015

>plans to live in a house for generations
>made of cheap wood
I don't understand.

>>60725015 (OP)
wood houses can last for hundreds of years if cared for. my buddies house is from 1880.

that being said it may not be the best choice.

>>60725025
Older wood houses are not “stick builds” like the one in OP. Even mid-century wood builds with real 2x4s are significantly better quality than the modern stick slop.

>>60725058
This

>>60725015 (OP)
Focusing on irrelevant stupid details like this is why we as Europe will continue to lose against USA

>>60725132

:)-+--<

>>60725015 (OP)
Living in a wooden house is why we as America will ultimately lose against Venezuela

>>60725015 (OP)
location location location

>>60725015 (OP)
Problem?

>>60725025
wood back then used to be dense hard wood from old trees they cut down. a wood's density takes time to build. the houses nowadays are using cheap hollow wood by trees that grow in 2 years. the ring son the wood are like 10% what they used to be on top of that it's build by immigrants who don't care at all about build quality. other than that yes wood houses CAN be good.

>>60725058
Treated lumber that is kept dry with a roof will last well past 100 years without issue.

>>60725078
Bottom wood will blow out my Chinese drill bits my mexican crew prefers plywood.

Everyone thinks they're the next stone mason builder but someone needs to build homes for the new Americans

>>60726909
wtf are you talking about dude, they just create plywood. They cut it thin then use big glue to

>>60726978
when country first started, lots of oldtree. old tree makes goodhouse. oldtree all gone. newtree makes house now. newtree makes shithouse.

>>60726978
Plywood and dimensional lumber serve different purposes. Plywood comes in sheets and is for sheathing that acts as a diaphragm. Dimensional lumber is for beams/headers/studs/posts/etc. They do make structural members out of shit that gets glued together though: glu-lams, LVL, LSL, PSL, etc.
>>60725058
The wood may be better, but the hardware isn't. Modern hardware (hold-downs, hurricane clips, tie-downs, structural screws, etc) smokes the past.

>>60725015 (OP)
You're leaving out the fact that in Europe that building would be 10 apartments and not a sfh

>>60727087
Also that autoclaved, aerated bullshit brick they use here is weak af...

>>60727091
cardboard houses

>>60725015 (OP)
>I don't understand.
simple

style expires in 30 years or less.

by the time my house is falling apart it needs to be replaced anyways. Because style matters.

>>60725015 (OP)
Stupid European example because flat roofs are terrible and should be left in the 1960s.

>>60726909
isn't this the american way though? use dirt cheap products and make big profit? don't you ever complain again, you silly yank fuck.

>>60727091
Newsflash: AAC’s a niche relic, not the default. Western Europe runs on masonry cavity walls (70–80% market share) with concrete or clay brick, not airy toy bricks. US? 93% wood studs. So yeah, your “weak AF” AAC is already sidelined.

Brazilian house.

>>60725015 (OP)
>>60725025
>>60725058
>>60725078
>>60725162

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>>60725078
>cut hundred year old trees for high quality wood
>plant new trees and harvest them at like 30 years old
>waaagh why is the wood so bad now????

>>60727295
This is a great gift because it exposes the no builders from the people who have experience with building

You post that gif as an example that wood construction is some how le bad whereas I see a builder that cut corners and failed to do some pretty basic stuff namely;

-Not sheathing the exterior to provide rigidity and prevent lateral movement

-Not using hurricane straps to tie the exterior sheathing of each floor to each other

-Not using hold downs that tie all the floors into the concrete slab.

If those basic fundemental things had occured then gif wouldn't have happened simple as.

>>60727300
You can simply engineer around it which is why we have LVLs, LSLs and PSLs

>>60725015 (OP)
Its not that complicated. Human beings have always used the cheapest material available. How long the byulding last depends on how it is engineered.

Plenty of shitty masonry buildings that won't last long because it is poorly constructed.

>>60725025
yeah, and those wooden houses look something like this.

I live far from the brick factory. Its either 1m stick house or 5m brick house

Europoors don't even live in houses. They live in buildings.

>>60727613
If houses are wooden shacks you can collapse with a punch then yes we live in buildings

>>60725025
yeah they don't grow that kind of wood anymore. i remember reading that engineering rules of thumb had to be revised in the 1950s to account for the decreased strength of new growth lumber. kek.

>>60727645
>>60725078
sheeeeeeit i gotta scroll down before shitposting

>>60726937
kek larp?

>>60727641
>>60725015 (OP)
This psyop is easily disproven by looking at how actual Europeans live. Ask the next European:

>The size of his dwelling
>The size of his backyard
>Where's the switch for his garbage disposal
>What temperature he sleeps at night on a hot summer and on a cold winter
>The size of his refrigerator
>Where's his laundry room
>how large is his washing machine
>How many cars fit in his garage
>Where's the beer fridge
>His brand of dishwasher
>To touch his ceiling without a ladder.

>>60727881
ask the actual european
>how many hours a week he works
>how many weeks of vacation he gets a year
>where he went on vacation this year (ask about all 6 of them)
>how much he paid for his last doctor/dentist appointment
>how many shooting occurred in his city in the last year

>>60727907
>Takes poverty vacations
>Gets mediocre healthcare in exchange for getting buttraped by taxes on everything

Typical eurocope

>>60727881
>How many cars fit in his garage
i can understand flexing about the others but this is a retarded argument
a garage is a waste of build, i converted mine to usable indoor space, the car doesnt melt from rain

>>60727645
damn rip. thanks bro.

>>60727934
a european taking european vacations is poverty? where are you vacationing?

>>60725015 (OP)
My wood frame American house is 120 years old.

Why do you eurotards think wasting money on unnecessary construction costs is such a flex?
No wonder you all live in poverty.

>>60727641
But they aren't. They're very strong and you losers are simply coping.
I'm so glad I'm not aeuropoor.

>>60727907
>>how many hours a week he works
Roughly the same as Americans
>>how much he paid for his last doctor/dentist appointment
How about how high their taxes are and how long they waited for an appointment?

>>60728003
>Roughly the same as Americans
completely untrue. my EU coworkers get double the PTO and never work over 40.
>How about how high their taxes are and how long they waited for an appointment?
they pay 35% taxes and get healthcare, education, public infrastructure, etc.
you pay 20% taxes and get nothing because all of it goes to israel. that 15% differential largely gets eaten up by private toll roads, private insurance premiums plus deductible, student loans, etc.

>>60728020
Europoors have insane taxes placed on everyday items gasoline and the displacement of their car's engine that go towards paying for """free"""" services.

>>60728037
most states has a gasoline tax. most states have vehicle registration taxes. you're now paying import tariffs on most goods at a rate comparable to VAT. keep coping. you get assraped on taxes and get NOTHING in return. literal niggerslaves got treated with more dignity and respect than your wagieslave ass -- at least they had JOB SECURITY. KEK.

>>60728037
>>60728049
also nice /pol/ screenshot folder you fag ass loser

>>60728020
>education, public infrastructure, etc.
We also get that you absolute retard.
Also if you have health insurance, the yearly premiums are far cheaper than what you bootlickers pay in taxes.
The American healthcare system is corrupt and can be fixed with free market policies, but what you people have in Europe is objectively slavery.
Imagine bootlicking the government and letting them take half your income while you get peanuts in return.

>>60728020
You’re forgetting that the higher tax rates in Europe discourage business, resulting in extremely low salaries. If the EU was a state, it would be the poorest one by a wide margin.

>>60728068
>We also get that you absolute retard.
US student loan debt is approaching $2 trillion. the average person can expect to pay out of pocket ~$40k for a college education that guarantees them nothing -- not an entry level job and certainly not a long-term career.
>Also if you have health insurance, the yearly premiums are far cheaper than what you bootlickers pay in taxes.
i work in corporate for a major insurer. i'm a healthy non-smoker. my plan is $160/month with a $5k/year out of pocket maximum. i have to worry about providers being "in network." my absolute baseline is therefore $2k/year in premiums. assume i make $50k (i make far more than this), that's a 4% tax without even using my plan. assume i hit my $5k OOP limit. that's a 14% tax for premiums for OOP. what rate do you think euros are paying for healthcare? what happens if i lose my job vs. they lose their job?

>>60728084
where do you people come up with this retarded nigger bullshit? did your jewish boss tell you this?
>https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/quick-charts/corporate-income-tax-cit-rates

>>60728049
You pay more twice what I pay for gasoline because it is taxed so heavily. The taxes you pay in VAT eat up your taxes home pay into nothing. That's why you are poor, live in a building and ride a bike to work like a child. You can't afford to even live a standard of living of an American poor person. Bob from Mississippi lives below the poverty line and gets to keep more of his take home pay so he can afford a $61,000 truck to do doughnuts around his single family home while you pay 3x the cost of literally fucking everything thanks to VAT and seethe in a building.

>>60728085
>US student loan debt
Another government created scam. Instead of being optional like in the usa, eurotards are forced at gunpoint to pay for their higher "education" which costs a fuckton more than it would cost in a free market.
>guarantees them nothing
It's just as bad as in Europe. It's almost as if it's a scam or something lol
>$160/month
That's it? Euro taxes are more than that.
Also I explained how everything you're saying about the American healthcare system is due to a failure in government intervention but Americans still pay LESS while not having waiting lines and while getting the newest drugs and technology.

>>60728101
>you
>you
>you
i'm an american you fat niggermutt dipshit.

>>60728090
>he thinks corporate taxes are the only taxes
LMAO

>>60728107
we are talking about corporate taxation, are we not? never mind that even in muttmerica most federal tax revenues are derived from INDIVIDUAL TAXES rather than BUSINESS ENTITY TAXES.

>>60728102
>blathering nigger retard nonsense
>brings up $700/month financed muttmobiles as an example of economic prosperity >>60728085
what's your educational background and what do you do for a living? i have a feeling i'm wasting my time talking to a mentally retarded NEET or some sort of lowborn nigger dipshit hourly manual laborer.

>>60727382
The straps and hold downs wouldn't have done anything to prevent that failure. It's mainly no sheathing like you said -- or I've seen contractor just use temp diagonal braces every so often, but my experience is with large apartment buildings.
>>60727645
Yeah, but it's not just the decreased strength, there was also a misunderstanding/discrepancy with how the old published shear capacity was determined via tests and how demand was calculated.

>>60725015 (OP)
What would be the best material to build picrel? Prefab concrete? Some sort of cob equivalent? Its always been a dream of mine to build and live in a hobbit smial and I'd love to have it last ages so I can pass it down.

>>60728119
I just pretended to be a German and calculated what the taxes from fuel and engine displacement would be for just one of my three vehicles
>nearly $5000 a year in taxes
Europoor simps should be executed without trial

>>60727285
Wait so was the first floor built 43 or 25 years ago?

>>60728163
Fuck yeah, my dream is an underground house, but more modern.
I've read some books by Malcolm Wells (I think that's his name) years ago and he had some cool ideas regarding underground dwellings.

>>60728174
don't forget to factor in the costs of the US propping up israel and fighting sand nigger wars to ensure oil stability, as well as the billions of dollars that go into maintaining public roadways rather than public infrastructure. (paradoxically the latter is "increasingly necessary" to "support the economy" while the number of on-premises blue collar jobs that pay a livable wage dwindle and white collar work, which could be done remotely, requires either on-premises attendance or is moved to india.)

>>60728174
>>60728200
and because i know your pig ignorant nigger retard brain so well, let me stop you in your 65 IQ tracks. US refineries are DESIGNED to process heavy crude while most of our domestic production is light sweet -- which means we NEEDED middle eastern oil and we continue to NEED foreign heavy crude.

and no, you can't just flip a switch and push light sweet through US refineries. that would require massive amounts of capex to build new light sweet refineries because shutting down existing refineries to re-tool would basically kill our domestic refinery operations for several years.

again, EU pays taxes and gets something in return.
you pay taxes and get financial enslavement by jews and and racially mongrelized hellscape.

>>60728179
First floor is the second. Its using nrot terminology. Ground(1)>first(2)>second(3) etc

>>60728264
Brit* terminology fuck my fat fingers

>one heatwave in yurope kills more yuropoors than the last 20 years of tornadoes and hurricane in the US.
Stay obsessed.

>>60729389
the same thing will happen in the US as AI data centers drain the grid and watershed. kek.

>>60729389
70% of your country is going to be a scorching desert in 20 years