Thread 60732272

When will manufacturing stop contracting?

When the China deal is finalized. They just cant deploy money without knowing what it will be

>>60732272 (OP)
The time to solve this problem was like 40 years ago. You can't unpoison the country once you've injected the full syringe. This only leads to America crumbling

>>60732272 (OP)
a matter of weeks. perhaps 2 more.

>>60732272 (OP)
This fucking orange buffoon cant do anything right

>>60732272 (OP)
After Orange Man fixes the debt problem. He forces people to buy treasuries rather than stocks.

>>60732340
>How dare you disrespect the Dear Leader like that! You must be a DemonRat, SAD!
Enjoy a tariff'ed world where no one buys anything LOL

Oh no, I read this wrong at first... I thought U.S. Manufacturing was getting new contracts! I just saw the graph that was posted here and reread it. This fucking sucks! If this continues we will be at fucking covid levels in no time.

Donald isn't even getting US Companies to manufacture in the US. There is no data supporting it.

He is going to fire more BLS employees in order to 'correct' those graphs.

His plan to get manufacturing back with tariffs is retarded, but only because he already continued the tax cut for these CEO kikes. Now they will just wait Trump out and assume (correctly) that the next President will either remove or greatly reduce the tariffs.
Trump should have done an incentive based tax cut. "If you dont' have x amount of workers in America, you get no tax cut".

>>60732272 (OP)
Bitcoin solves this! BUY BUY BUY

>>60732502
Do you think President J Advance will actually cut tariffs?

This is what I voted for.

>>60732272 (OP)
This is all Gronald Blumpfs fault

Trump's Tariff plan would of worked but he place Tariffs on raw materials, including critical minerals (it takes 5 Years to open new mines) so now American manufacturing is even more costly then literally any other nation.

>>60734342
I saw some post earlier about how Japanese car companies were now being tariffed less in total than US ones because of stuff like what you're saying, but it sounds so fucktarded I still can't believe it

>>60734398
>but it sounds so fucktarded I still can't believe it

It's not really that retarded if you have even a rudimentary understanding of how supply chains work. The global economy is interdependent, and most complex goods like automobiles, computers, and other mechanical or electrical devices aren't entirely built in one country.

The car you drive may be assembled in America, with parts from 10 different countries, and the raw materials for those parts coming from 50 countries.

The tariffs for importing all the parts AND all the raw materials and assembling it here compared to just the importing parts and assembling it here, could in some cases make it cheaper to just import a whole car.

>>60734483
Thanks for the explanation anon. yes I know very little about supply chains, but it's incredible to me that these policies on certain sectors could end up benefiting foreign producers instead

>>60732548
>Do you think President J Advance will actually cut tariffs?
Yes. Or he will greatly reduce them.

>>60732499
This sucks!

>>60732502
Tariffs are staying.

>>60734398
They make better cars.
Buying a Toyota new truck and deducting the interest as soon as 2026 is here.
They are included in it's assembled in Murica.

>>60734780
Yeah, under Trump. Based on your logic they never would have gotten rid of them the first time a hundred years ago.

>>60732272 (OP)
robots and ai wont help

watch "how its made" its all robots

>>60734801
biden had tariffs but some people only think about donald trump. they love him or something.

it depends if the burden becomes visible to the average consumer in their everyday

>>60732280
Trump honestly has the best intentions with this shit and I honestly think he really does want America to be a utopia. The problem is that he's still a retarded boomer and doesn't understand that globalism has destroyed everything and the US is a service/tech based economy. China has hundreds of thousands of acres of back to back factories that make everything and they are all logistically coordinated. This just can't exist in the USA as a private company with environmental regulations and labor laws

>>60732272 (OP)
Decades maybe? The trend is automation making manufacturing more productive but reducing head count.

However, Trump just likes the aesthetics of lots of peons welding and working on an assembly line like it's 1970; and just sees this kind of thing as a jobs program, not to actually make good products or lots of them.

>>60734968
>with environmental regulations and labor laws
This is the real thing most people don’t think about. You can’t be a first world country AND a manufacturing company. It’s one of the other, because you need to compete with countries completely willing to destroy quality of life of their working class citizens to ensure manufacturing dominance. The thing about white collar industries is they don’t require you completely destroying where you live to make a shitload of money. We should be exporting science, tech, intellect, not rocks and ground pee.

>>60734986
Good points. Maybe this was 5D chess to implement a consumption tax and mass workfare program for people who ideologically are supposed to en opposed to those things

>>60734398
Just accept that Trump is wrong about trade. When he said "trade is bad", he was completely serious.

His ideas are wrong, demonstrated by all the negative effects on various economic metrics that occur after the LIBERATION DAY inflection point.

>>60734968
> This just can't exist in the USA as a private company with environmental regulations and labor laws
Okay, but it can exist in Western Europe with environmental and labor which are on average stricter. I don't find this a convincing argument for why American manufacturing tends to punch below its weight.

>>60735017
Tariffs pick winners and losers in a way that makes them one of the most corrupt consumption taxes: we already see this with various F500s requesting exemptions on various things, that a smaller company would not be able to request or get trapped in permit purgatory while competing against the big dogs that already got exemptions.

Outright subsidy is less destructive.

>>60732272 (OP)
We’re at the longest point in history which business PMI has remained under 52. 33 fucking months.

>>60735001
This.

>>60735001
>The thing about white collar industries is they don’t require you completely destroying where you live to make a shitload of money. We should be exporting science, tech, intellect, not rocks and ground pee.

We have loads of people that are just simply not fit to work in white collar jobs though. We have a lot of people who are just better off working a blue collar job.

>>60732272 (OP)
By firing the person who says the manufacturing is contracting

>>60735065
I thought about writing about this but got lazy. It's not untrue, not everyone can contribute meaningfully to tech. But we do have plenty of on-shore blue collar jobs that actually make sense. E.g., a shipping warehouse employee. It's not going to make sense to ship everything from China direct. It makes sense to store shit and ship domestically. Cab/Uber drivers. Mailmen. etc. Obviously a lot of this is destined to be replaced by AI/robotics but we're still a ways out and ultimately UBI is the only solution there anyway.

>>60732272 (OP)
>things will surely get better for murica if their president applies tariffs for bullshit reasons, changes his mind every other week and decides to kill incentives like the CHIPS act

>>60734342
It's unreal how stupid he is

Screenshot this thread for posterity when trump is inevitably proven right again

How many times must you learn this lesson?