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>Buy XRP on:
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>Why hold XRP?
https://youtu.be/5urrOWO0KDI
>Newfag Tutorial:
https://youtu.be/23Yn5GdYpJc
>XRPL Guide:
https://xrpl.guide
>XRPL Explorer:
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>XRPL Richlist:
https://rich-list.info

>Latest News:
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/XRPUSD/news/?exchange=CRYPTO

>X:
https://x.com/JoelKatz
https://x.com/bgarlinghouse
https://x.com/Ripple
https://x.com/RippleXDev

>The Myth of Market Cap:
http://galgitron.net/Post/The-Myth-of-Market-Cap---Version-2
>XRP FUD BINGO:
https://fudbingo.com
>ANTI-FUD:
https://pastebin.com/ZESsmqB8

>Lore:
https://pastebin.com/Z39w20qf
https://X.com/bearableguy123
https://x.com/FoJAk3 [Mr. Pool archives]

>Schizo Ramblings:
https://pastebin.com/YHwQrGDW

>Past /XSG/ Threads:
https://pastebin.com/pZdQbREq

>What wallet do I use?
Hot storage - Xaman, Gem Wallet, Crossmark or Bifrost
Cold storage - Paper/Metal or Ledger/D’CENT

Pomp time

>>60762239

When? As of yesterday Friday the 8th of August, the SEC officially dropped the case against Ripple.

Yet we are still below ATH.

I'm starting to lose faith

>>60762234 (OP)
>HAIL SCIENCE
>What do you mean "look into who was responsible for the majority of foundational scientific discovery"?

>>60762234 (OP)
shalom

>>60762256
It's common knowledge that humanity would have been better of without religion

christcucks are funny because they can only seethe since their sky daddy forbids them to do anything drastic

>>60762278
>what were the crusades
>what are lebanese Christian militias
>what was WW2

>>60762290
>lebanese Christian militias
bwahahahaha

>>60762290
crusading catholic autists unironically did more damage to christianity than it did to islam

>>60762256
>responsible for the majority of foundational scientific discovery
most nobel prize winners are jewish, yes. what's that got to do with christianity?

>>60762295
i'm talking about the foundational discoveries, not the ribbons handed out by a 125 year old committee

Catholics arent christian

>>60762302
Please don't bite, Catholicbro

if there is no God, everything is permitted

numbers are stuck at masonic shit at 330

what do they mean by this?

>>60762302
Sorry, sir. X R P

Headed back to 3.30 holy shit I am so bored

>>60762278
They are also very smart

>Commit crime
>Just whisper in private how sorry you are
>Dont feel bad anymore

>>60762307

literally nigger way of thinking

>>60762312
Think about the positive. The SEC case is finally officially over.

>>60762315
You know Jesus handed down the power to forgive sins to His apostles, right? You know because of our fallen nature, we will inevitably fall into sin again, right? You know God is infinitely good and just and foresaw all of this, right. That is why confession is a holy sacrament. Without it, most souls would face perdition. Theology101

going to recuse myself because this is just fedora larping at this point

>>60762328
almost all ""Christians"" today make up their own rules and don't believe in a hierarchy of any kind at all. They pretend to be holy than thou but then are just as rotten as the rest of us.

>>60762323
That makes this price action even worse thanks for the reminder I am going back to sleep so I can wake up to crabbing between 3.28 and 3.30 all fucking day

>>60762336
The Catholic Church is hierarchical and sticks to tradition. Other Christians are rebels and outside of the church Christ created. We cannot do this alone. Protestants are heretics.

>>60762260
I have no words for how fucking retarded this statement is
Our brains are literally wired for inferences, whether they exist or not. Its how SCIENCE™ is done as well
>inb4 more retarded fallacies and ad hominems
I have a PhD in SCIENCE™. Don't you trust me?

I am going to buy ETH. XRP has too many BUTS and IFS attached to it for it to realize its potential. It is definitely going to realize this potential in the next couple of years. I want a crypto that hedges against inflation, I'd like it to go up. XRP doesnt do that. Am I mistaken?

>>60762357
>XRP has too many BUTS and IFS attached to it
and what ETH doesn't? lmao

>>60762372
There are 20 trillion coins in circulation. XRP will never be worth thousands of dollars. This is the peak right now.

>>60762372
Ethereum should have been already at 8k by now, it's true it did pretty much nothing but dumping since the beginning of the cycle but that's changing today, we should see 5k by end of the month and 10k in September

Can we please stay on fucking topic?

All this religion talk is useless

How about XRP?

We wont the lawsuit, its over finally

>>60762388
Scary

>>60762392
There is nothing to talk about. XRP doesnt do anything

>>60762392
>How about XRP?
im getting mad every time im thinking about this crap let's change the subject

> everything pumps
> XRP???
DUMP INCOMING motherfuckers
~200 BILLION GONNA FLOOD ALTCOINS

>>60762392
yeah its over alright ... its always over for us

>>60762425
Maybe they waited until Friday after everything closed with the announcement

And as soon as markets open Monday it means they can finally buy XRP like officially


So Monday we pump?

>>60762435
>So Monday we pump?
Mondays are usually for dumping anon

Fellas, I bought 60 suicide calls on Oil at $95 strike price. Am I retarded?

>>60762444
yeah

>>60762435
>Monday
Thursday (14/8/2025 is another 589 and they LOVE Thursdays)

the longer time goes on the lower my standards are for an exit price
and that is what ""they"" want

>>60762452
Oh boy i'm sure that is the actual meme date and all the others were just nothing.

>>60762449
My expiration date is end of September so I hope you're wrong

>>60762460
Yeah, but it would be funny if was, right?
>cue ear-piercing ExtraVOD squeal

>>60762444
>>60762462
im a stocklet, does buying calls at $95 mean you expect the price to go up to 95$?

>>60762469
>aaaaaaaaah

>>60762382
Logically, the supply of tokens will start decreasing as they are burned for transactions. Utility = lower supply = higher demand = price increase. So we really are waiting for SWIFT integration and permissioned domains.

>>60762474
Yes. The expiration date is end of September, so if the price doesn't go up to $95 I basically wasted my money. There are 2 reasons I did this:
--After doing some research I realized that oil reserves are down 17% compared to the historical average. The reserves on oil tankers are also low for this season. The price is also about $9 off the historical average for August-September.
--The second and most important part, is I had a dream where I was fishing, and I found an oil barrel full of gold.

That's why I know I will make it, cryptic shizo dreams

>>60762523
>--The second and most important part, is I had a dream where I was fishing, and I found an oil barrel full of gold.
oh boy. just get into leverage trading like me. it gets the job done.

>>60762523
Dreams are where demons reside. I also thought I had a prophetic dream once, it ended in total disaster. Dont rely on dreams

>>60762260
Early science was entirely Christian. I would go further and argue that the peak of science and the era of the greatest intellects was when scientists were genius-IQ European christians, and not 115 IQ midwit women and chinks. You have to be pretty myopic to deny this. Modern "science" is a travesty that has done huge damage to civilisation. We abandoned actual science a long time ago.

WHAT THE FUCK WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

OH MY SCIENCE PLEASE STOP XRP FROM DUMPING SO HARD

3.28 - 3.30 crab time ... Fuck I am so tired of this

>>60762577
because of this.
this is why i didnt slurp the previous dip.

All you complainers can sell. Go ahead and take your profits and run.

Or shut up and wait for Alt Season which is about to start.

>>60762633
Super excited for alt season to watch every other coin go parabolic while we crab with BTC can't wait

Have been in since .20 in 2017.
Held thru ATH then went on a buying frenzy with all my gibs in 2020 - 2021 (thank you plandemic and lawsuit!).
Lost my marriage (in part) because I was dumping every spare dollar into XRP instead of going on vacations with the family. (Yes, I literally had arguments where she said, "Oh but you have extra money to spend on stupid fucking crypto?") Built a mid-five figure stack. Watched it crab at .50 for years. Doubted myself at times. Held. For everyone annoyed at 3.30 crab, just imagine watching it crab at .50 for years. I'm holding until Valhalla ($30 and above).

>>60762234 (OP)
What is with the OP pic? It isn't even true and is huge low IQ pagan cope.

>>60762671
I dont know man lately i cant control myself, i wish I could change it

It’s over bros…
It’s always over for us :(

WAGMI 2K EOY

>>60762679
checked

>>60762666
I have been in since 2019 and I am $2 away from my burger shop in Japan and it's frustrating waiting 2 more weeks for my life to start for years and I am just beyond tired at this point

>>60762685
oooh no checking this one instead

>>60762343
The catholic church is heretical. It holds as a matter of official church dogma that people who worship other religions are worshipping the same God and that you can participate in rites with them. This is objectively true whether you find it convenient or not. Jay Dyer embarrassed Tim in the debate on this issue and Tim couldn't even begin to think of a response and didn't care when learning what was actually true so he just pretended it was what he always believed despite claiming the exact opposite first. The catholic church is absolutely a politically corrupt empire moral wasteland.

>>60762234 (OP)
"The Dark Age"
>un "Enlightened"
by the Fire in the Minds of Men
>the flame of Prometheus
>at Rockefeller Center
Yes, the Christian era with the dark light of the Light-bearer being absent from the eye
>The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

> But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

>/xsg/ starts talking about religion

is this a top signal?

>>60762311
see
>>60762694

Stop worshipping the church and its satans and start worshipping Christ

>>60762697
>Starts
You haven't been here since before the normie influx from the pump last december have you? Xsg has always done this, always been a Christian general and biz a Christian board.

>>60762686
Have faith brother

>>60762311
>but lord i did all these works
>i did not know thee

>>60762692
We're gonna make it have faith brother

>Lawsuit over
>Crabs
It's ogre

>>60762694
See >>60762311
You broke off and went you own way. Rebels will suffer perdition. Dyer has been exposed countless of times. Do some research, that man is a grifter. He will also never speak up about the Jews whereas I can give you ten catholic youpoop channels that do. https://youtu.be/XRLOQUnw-FY

>>60762704
nah bro bro I'm an oldfag election tourist

Ban all Catholic cultists. Their every dogma is a profane parody of Christ's teachings. Their entire value proposition is to recreate the priestly caste hierarchy Christ abolished, and to operate as the Earthly kingdom Jesus rejected the premise of. And they can't even sit quietly with their blasphemy, they have to put it in everyone's face and self-reference authorities within their pyramid scheme on why everyone but them is going to hell. They are the Bronies of Christianity.

>>60762545
The Bible has angels appearing to figures in dreams and giving them messages. Demons can affect as well but it is not explicitly this. I dreamed 9/11 happened the night before it did as a 4th grader. I have had many such similar experiences of learning things and predicting things. It is not always the case they are prophetic and it is not just that you choose to only focus on the times that were right and not the ones that weren't. I have had HYPER-specific dreams of fires at buildings and my dog getting out, and my grandma calling me to ask if she should come in for the funeral only to wake up from a call from my grandma and open my phone while talking to her to see my friend had died in a car accident the next day etc. I dreamed that Prince Philip was dying weeks before it was announced (he was also a reptiilan in the dream whose eyes had total malice for me (I was a doctor called in to consult on him and he had cancer). I immediately saw a dream of clouds moving in the sky describing a key mechanism for how cancer works which I had no experience knowing. In the dream they called him "the Duke of Edinburgh," a name I am 100% sure I had never heard, even in passing unconscious overhearing. Many many such cases and dreams I have which I know are prophetic are never wrong. Maybe you have bad sense for when things are prophetic or not or maybe you do not have prophetic dreams. That does not mean they exist.

>>60762328
>foresaw all of this, right.
Yes. That why he sent his Son to die. Confession of sins to another man is umbilical. The text says to confess one another's faults to one another. A fault is a result of sin, but is not sin itself. If you don't believe the words, you will believe the hype.
>Roman Catholic confession is Epstein level blackmail dating back 1200+ years, as contents have traditionally run most local brothels. Ever wonder why the best professional services are near a RC church?

>>60762727
>priestly caste hierarchy Christ abolished
On this rock I will build my church
Spread the faith and teach all nations
Apostolic succession
Theology101

>>60762704
I joined early 2025

>>60762343
There is a 3rd and 4th way. Greek Orthodox and the Baptists. Both have always been outside the RC/ Protestant paradigm. Prot is still a branch the RC tree bearing bitter fruit.

>>60762744
I believe in Apache Helicopter. It is a religion where you believe in an apache attack heli or some shit

>>60762739
>Jesus made a pun about the guy he wanted to take leadership being named 'stone'
>spreading the faith means build a sovereign nation state with international governmental influence and a head of state that claims to speak infallibly for God
>[complete and total fanfiction to reestablish the tribe of Levi exclusivity bottleneck between man and God]
>claims this is basic knowledge that anyone should know and if you don't agree you're theologically incompetent

You are in a cult.

>>60762671
That's because spammy is a low IQ, smelly Indian.

>>60762744
Do you think God is going to give us ten different ways? Confusion is a tool from the Devil. God gave us one way and that is through the Catholic church. Why dont people read books in here, this is all basic stuff

>>60762739
The rock was the statement that Peter made
>"Who do men say I am?"
>Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
Upon this rock I shall build my church.
Whose church?
Whose the builder?
Who is the rock?
I Cor. 10:4 "and that Rock was Christ"

Breaking news

It just started the falling wedge

>>60762758
Thats the fart guy, he is not me

>>60762754
Yes is yes and no is no. Christ doesnt use puns, the Devil would, though. Ambiguity is Satan.

you guys are retarded for falling for worst bait imaginable

>>60762770
wdym? xrp is a distraction?

Why all of the religion talk?

Let's talk about Ex Are Pee.

>>60762769
"Christ doesn't use puns because hyperliterality is the only way I can stretch his statements to support my cult" is going in my permanent meme library of ways Catholics are retarded. Yeah, he never told a joke or laughed in his entire lifetime on Earth. He was a stone-faced statue for which there was no mirth or goodwill in the world, nevermind social fellowship.

>>60762775
Sir please kindly hodl and XRP will make very moon sir I promise, oh oops we just sold another 200million worth of XRP on the open market kek trust the plan the bear said so 589 bro

>>60762779
Read a book, kid, and then try again. Thank you come again.

500lbs hacker here

For all the Autistic frogs that like to follow lines

i hard coded this chart base on volume since the white paper talks about price base on volume.

;)

you been warned. look very carefully at this png fren

>>60762787
You are the modern Pharisees. Empty clothes covering empty souls that rant about rules written by your own while rejecting the core premises and spirit of your own God. Might as well go kapparot with the Jews.

>>60762791
I looked but I dont see it, please spoonfeed me

>>60762791
>>60762808
oh wait they are manipulating the price? I see now. Yeah old news bro

>>60762717
I do not care about Jay as a person. I follow Christ, not pharisees, like you do. I care about the specific arguments as articulated by him in the debate, which Tim had no answer for, and Tim Pool LOVED because he agreed with the heretical notion that muslims were also worshipping God. Do you believe they are? If you do you are a heretic but a good Catholic. If you don't you are a Christian and a non-catholic. It is Biblical teaching that the Church of Christ cannot be corrupted and both cannot be true. You have to pick, and you are choosing with your soul.
https://www.youtube.com/live/gBDAB3oAwk8?si=FxIWznMUftfNzrsU
Why you can't ignore this and still be a catholic if you care about truth and your soul:
https://www.youtube.com/live/r21j6Dh0djo?si=ylRNSq_HKlEcI-K4&t=9725

>>60762802
Yes, we are the Pharisees. That is why we speak up about the Jews and expose their agenda. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwof4e6TFUA

>>60762813
alright which ones are right

A) Atheists/Agnostic people
B) Christians
C) Jews
D) Muslims

>>60762808
orange line crossing green line again base on past pattern

next week or 2 more weeks we could see big fat green cock

>>60762717
WTF should I care about your list of catholic YouTube influencers? Are you SERIOUSLY talking about JAY and the Orthos being cucked by Israel, WHILE BEING A CATHOLIC? Do you know post-Vatican II church history? Lol
Disregard the first link I sent and watch from here, it is a better timestamp:
https://www.youtube.com/live/gBDAB3oAwk8?si=js6mGHAVouSO3qzW&t=4926

It is amazing how little you know but how confident you are. You were raised catholic and are now a NPC of church influencers online and consensus culture group identity. Find Jesus.

>step away for a few minutes
>my EO and RC brothers are fighting again
come on, guys

>>60762818
My brother the only denomination more cucked by Israel than your church are the evangelicals.
>>60762819
B. But B are not Catholics.

>>60762769
The Church of Peter is not the roman catholic church. Even the fact you are arguing through pictures and trite memes you know have responses to them proves you are not a considered person.

>>60762828
>2 more weeks we could see big fat green

this is huge and deserves its own thread to be honest

>>60762741
I know. I literally guessed it exactly. Lol You have no sense of what xsg is and always has been. You are a late normie chasing greed post-pump.

guys in two weeks it might happen again

is this the one? The actual two weeks moment we have been waiting for?

>>60762870
In two weeks i'm gonna be a crypto millionaire

All the girls that ever rejected me because I was a useless incel are gonna feel so fucking silly when I drive by in my lambo

>>60762847
Kids no longer use words to debate, they use memes. I am lowering myself to your level because it is obvious you are stuck inside the simulacrum. Not a single person in here has been able to form a coherent argument. Pointless. Read the Summa Theologiae and get back to me, kid

>>60762883
No one is using memes except for you. You refuse to either affirm or rebuke your own church's teaching despite needing to do one. I have made the argument and you have coped endlessly and then declared victory saying nothing. You are projecting HARD as fuck, literal NPC low IQ shit.

>>60762234 (OP)
Ftfy

>>60762877
>>60762870
Billions are moving into the ledger

shits pretty insane

>>60762892
I am not going to write out proper arguments on a Bhutanese dog grooming forum. In the previous thread, I elucidated more than enough, see >>60762457
>>60762349
>>60762270
>>60762289
>>60762298
>>60762246
>>60762226
>>60762210
>>60762153
Read books, kid

>>60762918
Yeah, backpedal all the way back to the Vatican.

>>60762907
Yeah, this age of porn, abortion, men and women no longer starting families, usury, inflation, materialism, feminism, loneliness, atheism, immigration and AI taking our jobs is infinitely better. Long live modernity!

>>60762931
The best revolution you can do is a silent one. Go to an independent, local church, marry and have children.

>>60762918
Pathetic as FUCK. You claim to be using memes because others do and that that is the reason for your lack of argument, are called out, and now you refuse to do so but refer me back to a 3 sentence argument you made about something completely different, which terminates with you asking me to use AI to interpret? Lol Are you joking? YOUR CHURCH SAYS MUSLIMS ARE WORHSHIPPING THE ONE TRUE CREATOR AND GOD. You have to choose whether you believe this or not. If you believe it you are a good catholic but you are not a Christan. If you rebuke it, you are a good Christian and your soul is saved but you are not a catholic. You cannot be both and you have zero argument for why this is not true-neither did Tim. Your church is heretical and your leaders are pharisees just like the talmudic jews are. Find Jesus.

3500 or 350 by 2026?

Fucking pissstink. would be happy for xrp to go to 0 if it means chainlink goes to 0 as wel. Stinklets insufferable as it is

sorry

>>60762944
I visit a SSPX church. The Tridentine mass, the whole liturgy is in Latin. Now, Ecumenism is not traditional catholicism. No one cares about the Novus Ordo, Vatican II is evil.

>>60762081
>L. Crispatus
The interesting thing about L. Crispatus, is that it is marketed at women as a probiotic that's healthy for their vaginal microbiome; which it is.
However, there are no bacteria that women possess, that men don't also possess.
L. Crispatus is normalyy found in the gall bladders of both men and women, in women's vaginas, and in men's prostates.
There is preliminary research showing that men with prostate cancer are completely lacking in L. Crispatus.

Discovering this, I bought some vaginal probiotics that contained the L. Crispatus strain, and fermented them into a yogurt.
Of all of the yogurts I've made so far, this one is by far the tangiest.
I call it vagina yogurt; and it's delicious.

Early on, I noticed an increase in my muscle mass, just from taking L. Reuteri as a yogurt.
I've been weight lighting since then.
My testosterone and horniness levels are through the roof.

>>60761845
Since we're all trapped in here together, why not try to make XSG comfy with fun and helpful off topic conversations (within moderation)?
When shit is happening, we generally go back on topic pretty quickly.

>>60762982
This is what I always try to do

>>60762916
Thank you anon, for the hopeful and relevant content.
I only had to shift through 143 bs posts to see this one.

>>60762982
If you want your manliness to return to its full glory, end all masturbation. The ultimate pro tip. Food is cute and all but that is the killer tip. Become a master over your vices/passions.

>>60762931
So you agree. It's all the same story and brought to you by the same cretins who created unscrupulous usury.

>>60762995
but what if you have no female in your presence for over 3 days

>>60762992
Spammy brought this upon himself with his OP image.
His passive aggressive (female) attempt at dunking on Christianity, led to more religious discussions.

>>60762995
Why not both?
I'm on day 16 of no fap, and going strong.
Doing tactile energy work and meditation have helped immensely at breaking my former addiction.
Complete game changer.

>>60763020
>>60763020
That is obvious, no. Yes, eat the magic food. The killer is ejaculating the most potent, manliest stuff in the world. You know sex magicians use this in their rituals, right? It creates babbys for crying out loud. Respect it, cherish it, dont you ever lose it. It is a sin that cries out to God, too

>>60762234 (OP)
This meme ignores the Arabic enlightenment which advanced science consistently during the European Dark ages.

>>60763020
Kek u a fagget nigger

You are all not even real

>>60762956
3.50

This is all about me

>>60762973
What I cited is root instruction you are forced to believe and submit to per your own magesterium, and is contradicted also by yourselves.

Encyclical of Pope Pius XI Mortalium Animos, where the ecumenical, inter-faith gatherings of the various so-called “Christian” sects was called apostasy and an abandonment of the true religion. Not only has the post-Vatican II dogma gone full blown into calling these meetings now the work of God, but in fact holds these gatherings with pagan and demonic religions, including voodoo, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., as shown at Assisi 1 and 2. The Encyclical of Pius XI is crystal clear:

“8. This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise?

You don't get to not like the portions of your chruch as such without rebuking it and having genuine schism, which you are not claiming to have.

>>60763162
Wrong, no new dogmas have been established. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus still stands.

>>60762317
yes atheists are niggers

>after several years SEC case practically finished
>Trump announces 401k will flood into crypto
>XRP dumping again
Fuck this shitcoin

>>60763203
Catholics are bound not only to infallible dogmas but also to the ordinary magisterium, per Vatican I and Denzinger, which demands assent to non-infallible teachings. Thus, Catholics cannot dismiss modern teachings (Pope Francis’ statements on interreligious participation) as non-binding-they are part of the ordinary magisterium, creating a contradiction with past condemnations of such practices. These two positions are irreconcilable and complete contradicitons and even if you don't recognize it as dogma, you are still compelled to follow it. Choose your heresy you want to endorse to justify your conformity with the heretical order, but to remain conforming, it is IMPLICIT that you are a heretic and a Catholic instead of a Christian.

It’s $3.30 for us bros…
It’s always $3.30 for us :(

>>60763305
Don’t worry, the case was just a smokescreen, the real meme date will happen in exactly two weeks and xcrement retard pee will be worth trillions.

>>60763305
Has there ever been a time where we pumped off of good news?

>>60763339
Has there ever been a time anything turned out to be anything but a nothingburger?

>>60763322
It's not even $3.30 for us bro
It's lower and over for us ...

>>60763339
This isn’t just news, this was supposedly the reason why xsaarpoo has had absolutely pathetic price action for years. This was the single most important roadblock which supposedly prevented institutions from buying for years, now it’s over and it pumps 10%, just like anyone who isn’t a schizo retard was saying. Pay attention if you are holding a bag, the cope will shift to something else as it already has and this shitcoin will go nowhere for years, $10 is extremely generous over the next decade.

>>60763322
It's exactly where XRP belongs desu. This coin is for coping latelets who want 100x who's hoping for a miracle.

>Be my dad
>Make a coinbase account in 2021 because my son told me it was a good idea
>Son insists that I get into all these different coins
>I don't really understand, so I just buy XRP because I like the logo
>DCA $200 a week for years
>I'm nigger-rich now and I still have no clue what XRP actually does
I hate XRP

>>60763685
sidelined faggot

bros its starting
its always starting for us :)

Christ is real
Get over it losers

>>60763685
If your dad isn't a boomer you might just get an inheritance from his XRP desu...
If he is, lol... thanks for playing kid, better pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get to work; go look that manager in the eye, give him a firm handshake, and tell HIM you're going to work there.

>>60763973
You aren't entitled to shit. This is why the boomer hatred is so retarded.
Zoomers created a dogshit generation of hopeless uneducated losers who cant do shit.
Rather than creating something for themselves and making a better world, you instead whine and cry over the elderly because they won't give you their hard earned money and home.

You aren't entitled to shit.
NOBODY owes you anything.

>>60763994
Incredible bait, almost fell for it

>>60763994
likewise, boomers better up their fist game when shartqueefa starts throwing apefisted haymakers at their geriatric faces in the cheapest, stinkiest, modliest old folks home their kids threw them into

>>60762791
what does the one line mean and what does the other line mean

>>60764145
This is very true…I work in a hospital and the majority of nurses are esl from Africa or the Philippines…they have no idea what they are doing…it’s scary

>>60763320
You clearly dont understand any of the words you are using. So many things wrong in your post I am only going to address the most glaring error. We only are to obey the magisterium until they are talking out of their behinds and contradict the teachings we have always taught. "It's OK to kill Jews now, dear Catholic brethren." Um, no, sir, that would be totally not cool. Vatican II didnt establish any new dogmas because that would make it painfully obvious the Devil has crept into the church. That's why you get modern Poops talking out of their behinds an awful lot instead, but we know better. Stick to the teachings taught in the Council of Trent and your salvation will be secured. Just like all of modernity is an abomination, the church didnt go unscathed either, but the TLM still exists and traditional catechesis is still being taught. You only have to work a bit harder to find it. The mystical body of Christ will be with us until the End of History.

It’s over bros…
It’s always over for us :(

its starting brothers
its always starting for us :)

its crabbing homies
it's always crabbing for us :|

So now the voting on permissioned domains https://xrpscan.com/amendment/PermissionedDEX is still 28/35 voted but now only 20% yays. One of the guys voting against it is validator.xrpl.robertswarthout.com, https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertswarthout, teton crypto capital. I mean, it sounds like this guy is a crypto investor who went short on xrp or long on eth. Why is someone so compromised allowed to vote on this matter? Why doesn't ripple step in, if this is such an existential issue for them?

>>60764346
>Teton Crypto Capital
Isn't teton french for tit? Also ripple can't do jack shit.

>>60764346
There’s prolly more than one way to skin the cat…maybe with legislation and/or all the companies ripple is buying…they will have a work-around

>>60764356
No dumbass, Grand Tetons like the mountain range in Wyoming.

>>60764346
>long on eth
He must be rolling in dough by now then.

>>60764358
You noticed that the approval fell from 65% to 20% just in the last week? It seems like a lot of forces are trying to prevent this from being approved.

>>60764366
It's even his background pic on his LinkedIn profile

>>60764366
Robert the faggot spotted.

>>60764358
But how does someone get certified to or access to vote on xrpl amendments?

>>60764100
name one thing that zoomers have accomplished.
name one example of how zoom zooms have tried to better the world.

pro tip: you can't.

I can't name one good thing that zoomers have done.
I can however name about a thousand terrible things they do.
zoomers are the generation who call innocent people incels.
zoomers take advantage of lonely men (a problem they created) and sell their nudes on only fans.
zoomers fail to grasp deeper and mature subjects.
They can't write, they don't read books.
There is no zoomer currently that has even written a best selling book that people would want to hear.
zoomers stare at their phones from the moment they wake up until they fall asleep.
zoomers cant think for themselves so they regurgitate whatever some youtuber said or something they saw online.
zoomer hate history and the past so they never bothered to educate themselves on anything.
thats why history is repeating itself.
zoomers stay indoors all day.
its rare I ever see a zoomer just going for a walk down the street.
zoomers cant speak properly. they talk in all slang and laugh at you if you try to correct them.
zoomers believe they are entitled and should just be given things for no reason.
zoomers have no faith and hate God. A person who doesnt believe in anything is extremely dangerous.
zoomers dont even know what gender they are.
they make shit up and mutilate their genitals just so they can fit in.
zoomers empower the pharmaceutical drug companies and buy into a narrative that they are broken people and need drugs to treat their made up condition mist commenly referred to as ADHD.
also zoomers are a depressed traumatized generation even though they've never fought in a war.
zoomers hate music and fail to understand what makes a song good.
they are uneducated about time signatures and rythym, grooves, melodies.
so all they do is listen to negroe rappers who have 5 IQ points and all they do is make a basic beat with some unintelligent lyrics slapped on top of it.
zoomers hate art and would rather endless scroll tik tok consuming the MOST brain dead slop on earth.
zoomers have no role models.

zoomers will watch a million super hero sequels and call martin scorsese a dumb boomer.
zoomers have no morals and no standards.
zoomers aren't even trying.
I can keep going if you want.
theres so many things that are FUCKED about this generation.
boomers didnt do anything wrong.
they created a beautiful world that zoomers have burned to the ground.

>>60764346
>20% yays
>>60764370
>You noticed that the approval fell from 65% to 20% just in the last week?

No.
You're misunderstanding the numbers.
22 votes are yea in favor of the amendment.
13 votes are nay against the amendment.
Hence why the Consensus is at 62.86% right now.
The threshold is 28/35.
The Consensus percentage needs to exceed the threshold, and stay above it for 2 weeks, in order for it to be enabled.
28/35 is exactly 80%.
So it's actually 29/35 that is needed.

>>60764346
>Why is someone so compromised allowed to vote on this matter? Why doesn't ripple step in, if this is such an existential issue for them?
Because this is a stage play and these are actors and puppets voting.
Enough of them will flip to yeas when they are told to do so.

>>60762294
Not true, eastern christendom was on the decline anyway. The Franks and western europeans were stronger and better at warfare than byzantines. It all fizzled out by the late 1600s. Euros got high on enlightenment and colonialism and kind of started ignoring the church.

>>60764434
>>60764416
Is this a bot or legitimately an insane person

also it's spelled "negro", by the way

>>60764448
Showing up as Nay on the dashboard doesn't mean they voted no. Non-votes default to nay. On the amendments overview page of XRPScan it'll tell you how many total votes were cast. Currently only 22 in total have cast a vote at all. All of which are Yeas.

>>60764448
Ok I hope you're right. But what date is your screenshot from?

>>60764480
If you create a board called 'schizo' don't be surprised if a lonely schizophrenic shows up.

>>60764481
Ok I get it now thx

>>60764481
>Showing up as Nay on the dashboard doesn't mean they voted no. Non-votes default to nay
Touche

>>60764488
>Ok I hope you're right. But what date is your screenshot from?
Today.

>>60764488
PermissionedDex =/= PermissionedDomains
You're confusing the two.

>>60764480
>>60764493
Afraid of the truth?

Pitting the generations against another, is a psy-op.
The goal is to pass generational knowledge onto the next generation;
and not fight over which generation is worse.
Nothing to be gained from such a fight.
None of us are responsible for all of the shit other people did, that were born during a specific time span.
None of us are the rulers of this world.
Only worry about what you can control.

but for real why are we getting mogged so hard today compared to absolutely everything else?

>>60764517
because we had our pump already. Now we shouldn't move, so everybody else catches up.

It’s never been more over than here.

It's over...

I usually don’t say it’s over and usually just say two more weeks but it’s looking like it’s pretty fuckin over.

its starting

>>60764481
You’re missing the forest for the trees, and your argument collapses under scrutiny. You claim Catholics can dismiss modern teachings when they “talk out of their behinds,” but that’s a cop-out that ignores the Catholic system’s own rules. Vatican I (Pastor Aeternus, Denzinger 1683, 1698, 1722) explicitly binds you to the ordinary magisterium--non-infallible teachings demand “religious submission of mind and will”. You don’t get to cherry pick Trent or the TLM and pretend that’s the full deposit of faith. The ordinary magisterium includes Nostra Aetate’s claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God and that other religions reflect “rays of Truth”, and Pope Francis’ 2019 Abu Dhabi statement that religious pluralism is “willed by God.” These aren’t optional opinions; they’re magisterial, and you’re bound to them as a Catholic. Your appeal to Trent and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Council of Florence, 1442) is fine, but it proves my point: those teachings clash with Vatican II’s ecumenism and Lumen Gentium’s “subsistit in” nonsense, which implies salvation outside the visible Church. Historically, popes like Innocent III called Islam a false religion; now Francis hugs imams and calls their faith a divine gift. That’s not continuity-it’s a contradiction. You can’t wave it away by saying, “Oh, it’s not dogma.” The ordinary magisterium, per Vatican I, isn’t optional, and Denzinger 1722 says obedience to it is tied to salvation. If you reject Francis’ interreligious drivel, you’re rejecting the magisterium you claim to uphold.

The “Devil in the Church” line is cute, but it dodges the issue. If the magisterium can err this gravely—promoting what Pius XI in Mortalium Animos called a betrayal of Catholic truth—then your “unchanging” Church is a myth. The mystical body of Christ doesn’t bend to modernist rot; it’s supposed to be indefectible. Yet

>>60764276
>>60764643
Vatican II’s personalism and ecumenism, as Rev. Nitoglia notes, flirt with pantheism and dilute the Church’s exclusivity. Clinging to the TLM or traditional catechesis doesn’t save you from the fact that your own system demands assent to a magisterium that’s flipped on its head. You’re stuck in a paradox: either the Church defected, or it was never what it claimed. That’s the real “abomination” here, not modernity alone.

Stop posting pictures to try to color or sanctify your own failed heretical argumentation. You are one academic rung above people who make boomer memes that are not eruditious enough to deserve the intended tone and authority so they give a backdrop of like Dr. House or Sheldon Cooper or something to color the words as having some goy slop impression of intelligence stamped on them as conferred by the speaker impinged by them, but you're about 100 spiritual rungs down from them because while they are creating aesthetic drag and poisoning the memetic well, you are evangelizing heresy and poisoning the portrayed well and general conception of the one true Christendom. On some level you know this is true at least semi-consciously but choose it anyway because you built Catholic trad sigma content so deeply into your otherwise hollow identity. Shameful and sickening. What is more worth it, true Christianity or feeling like a based trad Chad memer? You are like the people who are non-entities and pretend they would like to go to war because they view it as an easy substrate to meaning. Both of you are wrong. Find Jesus..

>>60762260
How would you keep track of what day it is without religion? I only ask cause your living in a religious world, using a religious calendar, living by religious morals and dependant on religious laws to keep you safe.
You're like a nigger saying white people have no culture. You're so saturated with it you don't even notice anymore.
Honestly the atheistic view is the most midwit view you can take.
You're telling me that when our best scientists admit we only understand how 1% of the universe works and that everything we can see touch and measure only account for about 5% of what we believe is there.
But YOU know there is no God. Saying your an atheist is a dog whistle to let people know your too dumb and arrogant to understand pearls.

>>60762260
Without Christianity as a maintaining principle, the entire world would be either islamic or an enlightenment era Hobbesian WEF corporatism nightmare.

>>60764694
(If it maintained beyond savagery at all (which islam definitely is-so the only non-savage civilization would be goyslop nu-atheism corporatist-communism))

>>60762336
So you judge a belief based on how well people follow it and not on the message?
That's as dumb as refusing to eat salad because PETA members are faggots.
Their retardation does not change the benefits of eating salad.

>>60764517
they are pumping the shitcoins first to bait weak xrp holders into flip flopping

>>60764700
>the only non-savage civilization would be goyslop nu-atheism corporatist-communism

are you fucking kidding me? that would be the most degenerate dystopia you could possibly think of.
trannies and faggots everywhere. public executions would be on the streets by stoning to death.

>>60763994
>forgets families have handed down wealth and prosperity for generations
>forgets the blood spilled in defense of their prosperity
>forgets all the gifts and wealth handed down to them
>t. Le eternal boomer
Okay boomer. Don't hurt your wrist gambling your lineage's wealth away this weekend; glad you splurged for the wifi package aboard your cruise so you'd be able to come here and shit up the board. 20 billion more for Ukraine, 200 billion more for Isreal, right grandpa?

>>60764744
Possibly this is what I meant by "non-savage civilization"? (it is). Maybe read a little better. Certainly literacy rates would be lower despite your own demonstration here.

>>60764686
>>60764643
Not all magisterial teachings are binding in the same way. Furthermore, the magisterium can always expound on its teachings. There is no contradiction here, just theological nuance. Submission to the ordinary magisterium does not mean blind assent to every papal brainfart. Whatever behinds the Pope kisses is irrelevant. Did you know that before TV and newspapers existed, a Catholic would have no idea what a Poop would be up to ever? The Poop's shenanigans have no relation to a Catholic's salvation. There is only one true Christendom and that is the Catholic church. I will do what we have done for centuries. It is up to Christ to judge me. The End. EKKSU ARR PIE

So what are we going to see. 7-8 bucks? 10? The mythical 589?

>>60763994
When you were a kid your minimum wage as a proportionate spending power to gold was equivalen to $150 per hour today. Your generation were given the most prosperity in human history and corporatized it and turned a 10% experience of it into a subscription model and offshored its production to China. Life was literally so easy for you that you guys never developed personalities beyond calling yoursevlves grill masters acting elite over your kids who you made it worse for (first generation in human history) and laughing at new iterations on the same "I hate my wife" joke degeneracy. You laugh just as hard every time you call yourself the grill master or laugh at one of these creativity/spirit rotting jokes and unironically are so arrogant and narcissistic and used to spoiled treatment, despite being an obese one-dimensional faggot, you think that you have a genuine shot with 20 year old waitresses and that they are hitting on you and you think it is appropriate or cool or justified to flirt with them despite being married. Every generation has its base of consensus mentality lowest common denominators and they almost always suck, but no generation has as broadly and totally sucked SHIT quite so much and still been so self-assured and judgmental of the others.

You’re tossing out red herrings and hoping they stick, but your argument’s a theological house of cards. You claim not all magisterial teachings are binding the same way and that the magisterium can just “expound” on its teachings without contradiction. Nice try, but that’s a dodge that ignores the Catholic system’s own framework. Vatican I (Pastor Aeternus, Denzinger 1683, 1698, 1722) doesn’t give you a sliding scale of obedience where you can pick and choose based on “nuance.” It demands “religious submission of mind and will” to the ordinary magisterium—yes, even the non-infallible stuff. Denzinger 1722 ties obedience to the Roman Pontiff’s teachings to salvation itself. So, when Nostra Aetate says Muslims worship the same God as Christians or Lumen Gentium hints at salvation outside the visible Church, you’re bound to assent, not shrug it off as a “papal brainfart.”

Your appeal to “theological nuance” is just modernist sleight of hand. Historical teachings, like the Council of Florence (1442, Cantate Domino), explicitly state that pagans, Jews, and Muslims can’t be saved unless they join the Church before death. Compare that to Pope Francis’ 2019 Abu Dhabi statement, where he calls religious pluralism “willed by God.” That’s not expounding; it’s a 180-degree flip from Pius XI’s Mortalium Animos (1928), which condemned ecumenism as a betrayal of Catholic truth. You can’t square that circle by waving your hands and saying “nuance.” It’s a contradiction, plain and simple, and it undermines the claim of an indefectible magisterium.As for your nostalgic bit about Catholics pre-TV ignoring the Pope’s “shenanigans,” that’s irrelevant. The Catholic Church claims the Pope’s authority is universal and binding, not optional based on media access. Denzinger 1683 doesn’t say, “Submit only if you hear about it on parchment.” Whether it’s Innocent III condemning Islam or

>>60764793
I'm not sold on that at all, because I don't think the whims and personal patterns of Torres are really deciding this case, but much larger interests that will announce their selected ruling at only the appointed time

>>60764785
meant >>60764820 as beginning of reply to you. Also:
Francis kissing up to imams, the magisterium demands your assent. You can cling to your “one true Christendom” and centuries-old practices, but if you reject the current ordinary magisterium, you’re sawing off the branch you’re sitting on. The TLM and traditional catechesis don’t exempt you from Vatican II’s ecumenical mush, which, per Lumen Gentium 8, redefines the Church’s boundaries in ways Trent would’ve anathematized.You say Christ will judge you, and sure, He will. But your own system says He judges through the Church’s magisterium, which you’re selectively ignoring. Sarcastic QED style of “EKKSU ARR PIE” doesn’t change the fact that your position is a cafeteria Catholicism that picks Trent over Vatican II while pretending it’s coherent. The mystical body of Christ is supposed to be indefectible, yet you’re left dodging Pope Francis’ interreligious love-fests because they clash with everything pre-1960s. That’s not nuance—it’s a crisis. The Catholic Church’s claim to unchanging truth falls apart when the magisterium contradicts itself, and no amount of Latin Mass incense can cover that up. Either the church is corruptible or it is not. Clearly it is. To be the church of Christ it must implicitly not be therefore it must not be the church of Christ. Ekksu Arr Pie.

>>60764643
Idk and frankly idc what you're @ing me for. I'm not reading all that spammy. Make it three sentences or less if you want me to respond.

>>60764517
Pic related. One must imagine Sisyphus happy. We holders of the xerp are the neo-Sisyphus.

>>60764517
Xdc and xlm are also underperforming

Mickle now spreading "Link not needed" on his videos. Why is the XRP/LINK debate even a thing? Two fundamentally different use cases and customers.

Starts shitting on them around 6:20
https://youtu.be/2n2zAvdD1_w?si=cNLliNnQkvY0AydC

>>60764795
Cringe. So you want boomers to die because of "I hate my wife jokes" ?
You are fucking retarded.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit

>>60764967
That doesn't say that you should die; it says you are entitled societal cancer and think you are the generation that built the American dream despite being the one who destroyed it for at least your children just to pump your 401k and sell you home that appreciated 1000% at a premium to corporate landlords, sold our jobs oversees for same reasons, and turned food to plastic, GMO, pesticide drenched, seed oil soaked food product poison that ironically made you fat and unwell. The fact you can't even understand the argument and reply with a low resolution grandpa in a sitcom tier take proves the point. You are literally more hollow than american family with laughtrack sitcom characters. You ruined the world and starved your soul. Thankfully it is being reinvigorated now despite your best efforts.

>>60762260
>Tesla
>Newton
>Heisenberg
>Galileo
All of these men were vehemently religious. Care to name some post-secular inventors who pushed humanity forward in leaps of their magnitude?

xrp has touched 3.20 again and bounced back to 3.22

>>60765086
>Hitchens
>Sagan
>Dawkins
>Carlin
>XKCD
>black science negro

>>60765117
Kek

>>60765086
Literally every single paradigmatic thinker was-almost all were and are Christian.

>>60764967
>boomer doesn't know who he's arguing with
>constantly lashes out and blames the current youngs generation for being "entitled"
You've said it to GenX, you said it to millennials, now you're saying it about zoomers. Give it 5 years you'll, unfortunately, be saying it about gen alpha. Your greed and selfishness never let's you reflect, you just keep kicking the can of blame down the road... invigorating a new generation to hate "the boomer".

>>60765085
I think you two anons are giving boomers too much credit for their self creation. They were wealthy because Nixon took the US off the gold standard. Gen x is poor because boomers were brainwashed into nihilism, to channel their assets back into the economy and not be passed in and locked into Gen x middle class ownership. We've all been played by the Rockefellers, Rothschild's etc.

when's the 1 XRP = 10m USD-equivalent peg going to happen?

>>60765294
Grow up little buddy

>>60765367
You've seen the top already.

>>60762260
>XRP general OP posting subversive family guy meme
Been a while since I came to one of these threads but, kek baggies

>>60765399
Sorry, no positions of responsibility are available currently. I'm gonna have to wait for yall to die first before I know what it's like... since yall refuse to retire. Shame.

>>60765352
Completely agree, but boomers played along in aggregate willingly and middle managed and executed the whole thing.

>>60765533
An entire generation went unpromoted and will now be passed on for the younger generation because boomers refused to retire from senior positions.

>>60765352
Ding ding ding

I clicked a link in op and it shows this
what happened in november? I don't own any shitcoins so I won't research anything, just wanted to check if this is an actual price increase or total supply of shitcoin decreased or some shit

>>60765533
I detest boomers, my parents were forever threatening to cut me out of their will and they did eventually. I think they also sold off my burial plot at the family cemetery.
I'm just saying they were played by forces greater than them but yes they enjoyed the ride.

>>60765584
Trump was elected. He's created a favorable business environment for cryptocurrency.
Your image says "Price" in the top left corner.

>>60765590
nice victim complex bro

>>60765597
That's what my father always told me as he was doing it

>>60765608
boo hoo cry harder

>>60765619
I hope your children abandon you in the state run retirement home instead of blowing out their lack of savings spending a quarter million dollars sustaining your last few years just as a final own to them like you expect them to and feel entitled to.

>>60765590
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. But rather than oppose it or challenge it or begrudgingly accept it, they leaned FULLY into it, milked it for all it was worth, and then built identities around their participation in it, labeling the process as constructive for mankind. Absolutely irredeemable, most sickening generation of all time. I think most generations would willingly sell out mankind for this level of narcissism/low system reward feed and become what boomers are-they just happened to exist at the especially prosperous time to be able to. And individuals which belong to this should absolutely either become real people or go live in the wilderness for the sake of mankind.

>>60765590
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. But rather than oppose it or challenge it or begrudgingly accept it, they leaned FULLY into it, milked it for all it was worth, and then built identities around their participation in it, labeling the process as constructive for mankind. Absolutely irredeemable, most sickening generation of all time. I think most generations would willingly sell out mankind for this level of narcissism/low system reward feed and become what boomers are-they just happened to exist at the especially prosperous time to be able to. And individuals which belong to this should absolutely either become real people or sell their homes to someone that isn't Blackstone or China (and everyone in this camp should join them (and I hope they do)) and go live in the wilderness for the sake of mankind.

We get it your parents never loved you is it starting for us or is it over for us thats all I care about

>>60765648
Agreed


>>60765655
That's all I care about too at this point (xrp moon)

>>60765655
My parents loved me greatly a great exception to the boomer type who were working class and both came from nothing (dad a farm town working his whole life since 3 mom from the hills in rural Pennsylvania from a failed mining town literal Hooverville). That doesn't change the objective macro effect their generation had totally regardless and in spite of them.

>>60765643
>I think most generations would willingly sell out mankind for this level of narcissism/low system reward feed and become what boomers are
Well, all these other generations after the boomer are tainted by the boomer. I'm sure there were more noble generations before them, and plenty of them died in wars and etc.

>>60765714
There definitely were, but the vast majority of people no matter when you look are NPCs and incredibly retarded and susceptible to extreme self-interest fixation. Definitely the boomer is a special class, I am just saying that they are not like a unique spawn or anything. If any other generation's people were born into the same generation the same thing would have happened and they would have been just as undeservedly narcissistic and selfish and pathetic and insufferable and zero personality having.

>>60764694
Christian Europe was extremely savage and violent, retard. Europe had far more large conflicts per century than the middle east or Africa especially after Pax Romana. The only reason euros arent tearing each other apart right now is becsuse theyre consumed by neoliberalism monoculture while Christianity is largely irrelevant.

>>60765779
Christianity is the formative basis for modern civilization, its first principle rights instilled constitution in the US, and its justice system. It is the only place in the world that formed an ethical basis for ending slavery and the rest of the world only ended it to the extent that it did to comply with it and through colonization. Europe abandoned Christianity and imported infinity non-Christians and are currently imprisoning people who report being raped by them and their representatives are fighting the release of the proof. You can be thrown in prison for tweets. The VAST VAST majority of wars and atrocities through human history have been atheistically cultured and the examples of Christian motivation are largely empire commodification of community sentiment and commanding actions contrary to its teaching and responses (like the Crusades were) to UNBELIEVABLY savage islamic conquest which ravaged the euroasian landmass and still affect Africa. Portraying postmodern neoliberal rot culture as transcendence is so unimaginably odd and ill formed it is hard to even imagine someone actually thinks this. There is no basis for rights or moral oughts without religion and there is no moral religion but Christianity. Literally, if God does not exist, there is zero justification for why the types of atrocities you cite even matter or are important to care about and they actually are not atrocities because nothing is capable of having any moral weight positive or negative at all because all human "action" and "meaning" and "experience" is literally just exotic configurations of matter interacting, as trivial and morally deviod as two rocks bashing together in deep space, because no one "Is" and nothing matters. Not only are you wrong on an outcome level, but you are wholly unjustified to argue at all and your entire categorical basis for morality precludes even justifying systemic prescriptions or judgments based on morality.

>>60765779
>>60765859
Everyone is religious whether you believe you are or not, implicitly inescapably, because everyone has a moral picture of the universe which they appeal to. Some just take prescriptions from self/culture worship and I have never met a single atheist who was smart enough to appreciate the fact that they are implicitly religious or that morality is not prima facie of nature unless you believe a creator imbued it to be and that positive claims made about the existence of a creator even if negating it are religious claims, and in a big way are MORE religious than the believer's claims, because you are stating your mastery over the total cosmos of information despite knowing and perceiving less than a percent of a percent of it. The likelihood of Jesus fulfilling all of the prophecies he did is literally less than randomly choosing the same atom from the total collection of atoms in the universe twice.

>>60765779
Jesus fulfilling just 8 prophecies has the probabiliy of 1 in 100 quadrillion. Him fulfilling all that he did has a probability of 1 in 10^17.

>>60765859
Nice wall of cope but you're gish galloping
>Christianity is the formative basis for modern civilization
No its not, in fact 'modernity' was born out of a partial rejection of core Christian doctrines and the Church during the enlightenment. Asian civilizations are not any less 'modern' than western ones despite having little to no Christian influence. The most I can grant you is that liberalism itself was a heretical interpretation of Protestantism which is a sect from mainstream Christianity. Modernism with all its heretical beliefs from rationalism, 1800s German humanism, and freemasonry is hardly Christianity at all. The founding fathers, most enlightenment thinkers and philosophers are complete heretics by Christian standards. You're scraping the barrel for credit here.
> The VAST VAST majority of wars and atrocities through human history have been atheistically cultured
This is true but it did not stop Christianity one bit from carrying out the same actions in the name of Christ. Genociding Pagans in northern Europe and the New world. Nor did it stop them from carrying out insane atrocities in Africa. Colonialism was basically European states(many heads of which had heads of states that were also heads of church) would colonize a land, destroy all indigenous ways of life and institutions, and then create their own institutions, health centers, and schools all of which would be staffed with Christian charities and missionaries, thereby Christianization them in the process. Even if the motivation was athiestic in nature, Christians themselves were more than happy to take advantage and aid the effort. So this is really just cope.
>Crusades were a response to UNBELIEVABLY savage Islamic expansion
The Muslims took Jerusalem in 637 without a fight or massacre. Whereas the noble crusaders instead massacred the entire city of 50k people when they first took it. If anything, the Christians were the unbelievably savage ones.

Iam fucking tired. I know it's going to pump and they are trying to drain our energy by demoralizing us like this, but I can't help but be influenced a little by their tactics.

And fuck all of this religion talk in /xsg/. CHRIST IS KING. And that's it you faggots.

Breaking news, extravod has cracked the code, I repeat, the code has been cracked

>>60766106
No one here needs to say anything, all you need to do is take a look at the price action after the single most important event, that being the sec case coming to close, and weep.

>>60766132
Extravod is the parrot of the XRP community.
He mindlessly repeats everything other people say on Twitter, while coming up with nothing original of his own to add.
Not creative or smart enough to make original content, he instead reacts to news and other people's ideas with short bursts of forced enthusiasm.
Followed by burnt out depressive episodes.
Only for the cycle to repeat for years on end.
Never learning anything in the process.
He is a microcosm of the XRP community.
Insanity in a bottle.
Many such cases.

>>60766175
The price will only moon when all of the pieces are in place.
Not some.
All.
Taps sign:
>>60760425

>>60766044
Retards of your stripe always misuse the same 4 informal fallacies and "word salad" to cope with having no argument. It is ALWAYS ad hominem, strawman, gish gallop, and word salad, and it is ALWAYS misapplied. Gish galloping is giving an unreasonable amount of claims to a respondent who can't be expected to reasonably respond to them in the alloted time and space. I made a constructive argument in informal discussion on a website with virtually boundless response time. Freemasonry was subverted by judaic influence through Adam Weishaupt in the late 1700s-well documented and even affirmed by George Washington in correspondence with an author of a political work detailing it. You can literally trace the evolution of western civilization and the destruction of slavery as a direct consequence of Christian evangelism and messaging/colonization. What I am saying is not even vaguely contentious and is completely accepted by secular scholars who aren't like 1619 project types. It is literally inargauble. China is the WEF technocrat corporatist dream complete with programmable CBDC money and systems of social credit that would still be ruled by Mao's athestic (killed 100 million people, more than anyone in modern society) communism or some offshoot of it without the formation of wester civilization. North Korea is a Chinese vassal starvation serf kingdom, South Korea exists sheerly as a result of western influence and maintenance and defense in the region, Japan is no longer the original imperial hell as a direct result of western influence, Vietnam would be engulfed in communism, even the european landmass would be if not for the west. I am not a fan of neoconservatism but these are just facts.
>Atrocities
Again, Christianity was not the predicate condition for the atrocities, it was the weaponized ideology coopted. Empire always does this and if it weren't Christianity in no way bolstered it. Actually, as opposed to other religions, it was REQUIRED that those

Hello

Hows it going here guys?

>>60766176
Mickle is the biggest fucking retard

>>60766044
>>60766307
the bastardization of it had to act CONTRARY TO ITS DICTATES AND PRESCRIPTIONS. The Christian core judicial ethic of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" precludes war or violent punishment of any for sinning (and what reason is there to punish any other that is not sin). As contrasted with the islamic complete opposite (literally portrayed in the exact same circumstance of an adultrous woman) "eye for an eye" sinner stoning (They also are prescribed to stone people who leave their religion). To be a good person you have to contradict islam. To be a bad one you have to contradict Christianity. Pagans the world over were sacrificing children atop pyramidic altars before being Christianized.
>Crusades
Muslims were slaughtering the entire middle east and eurasian region for DECADES. Raping and murdering and pillaging. This is DOCUMENTED HISTORY. The crusades formed in response to this. Is your argument ACTUALLY that Christendom and the collective feudal world just sat back and welcomed conquer and religious supplantation? Are you joking? Islam is a degenerate savage religion LITERALLY only maintained because of low IQ and inbreeding. The average IQ in the muslim world is 81 (the lowest IQ required to stand for trial in the US is 75, 85 used to be retarded but it would have made half of the black US population be considered it and was adjusted). The cousin marriage rate in Iraq is 60%, and that isn't even a top 4 country in the muslim world. Mohammad told his men to rape the wives of men he took as slaves, married a 6 year old and slept with her after playing dolls with her, drew a line in the sand and told a man to not cross it to be safe, crossed it himself, and consequently had anal sex with a group of naked black men who wandered the desert naked to them for an entire night as the bottom (literally not even kidding). Aisha commented she was constantly finding Semen encrusted on him and his garments.

bros its starting

its always starting for us :)

>>60766341
Nothing is happening

btc pumps

Xrp dumps

>>60766044
>>60766307
>>60766334
Mohammed the faggot literally died the way the Quran said he would if he were a false prophet and satan worshipper (severed aorta). Islam is a retarded as fuck, low IQ religion which is literally incoherent and contradicts itself hundreds of times no exaggeration. Not least of which: It says the Bible is the divine word of God and that it is to be taken as such. The Bible gives that the Quran is fake, therefore if the Quran is true the Bible is true and the Quran is false. If the Bible is false (it isn't) the Quran is false. Therefore the Quran is false no matter what. I don't suspect you are muslim but you are clearly a really really retarded redditor who acts like they are principled but you're really just in cringe obstinance to western ideation and specifically Christianity. You probably talk about patriarchy and lgbtp cringe and never mention the muslim world. Islam is social cancer and savage degeneracy like almost no other religion has ever been (paganism and talmudic judaism are both up there with it) but your breed of hedonism enhanced neoliberal atheism is worse than all of them and how we get trans kids which you cannot refute the wrongness of on the basis of your worldview. You literally never even replied to my argument and ironically fallaciously avoided it by projecting that I was actually the one being fallacious. Lol Really pathetic. You are wrong in every way and your avoidance and evasiveness and uneven standard of judgment says you know it and choose it anyways

>>60766341
>Being 60 and saying "bros"
>Saying the same thing multiple times in one thread
>Having it be a trite repeat post
Oh yeah, it's BOOMER time!

>>60766341
Checked

Will we see a pump soon?

Today is full moon guys

Tomorrow is first market open day after sec case is finished

Hmmmmm isnt that quite interesting right guys

>>60766366
why are you so assblasted spammy?

>>60766492
Thats not me

But yeah i am a crazy motherfucker. I can be very nice but i can also be a crazy wild animal. Its in my head most stuff and the screaming thats why i play it safe. I must not get angry. I also see stuff others dont

Listen here, memes aside. I'm very nice, I like everyone and want everyone to be happy. But if you fuck me, I will fucking murder you. I'm crazy like that. I can literally bite your throat open or rip your heart out through your throat you hear me? Now I don't like to threaten people or get violent. I want everyone to get along. But don't mistake my kindness for weakness. What happened yesterday you know if this is you who i'm talking about, you caught me in a good mood so I will forgive you. But if you pull that shit more often we will have a problem.

Now lets hope it doesn't come to that

Now let XRP moon

I basically have two personalities.

Nicest person you know or a crazy fucking psychopath

I AM LITERALLY GOD

Blehhhhhhhhhj

Gimme (You)'s

OR ELSE

>>60766582
>>60766577
>>60766567
>>60766564

>>60766584
Thank you I will let you live

>>60766593
lol….i can see you’re excited for the coming pump

It’s over bros…
It’s always over for us :(

>>60766633
What pump?

>>60766332
Yes, but, if you listened to his latest vid, he called out chainlink for being a useless funding token.

>>60766715
I fucking hate Mickle the most of everyone

And the guy with glasses token talk or whatever he was called first he can also fuck off

Or that retard with sunglasses in his car

XRP literally has the worst community

>>60766696
The Sunday afternoon front-run pump

>>60766633
Pump forecast: Monday opens, Americans dump ETH en masse leading to a nosedive, then alts follow. Bitcoin crabs.

>>60766799
that's a wrong forecast
I switched to ETH, it shouldn't dump

>>60766801
>he bought the top
Hope you set your stop loss to 3.9 my man or you'll regret it.

>>60766791
Its dumping tho

>>60766799
>>60766801
>Monday opens, Americans dump
lol no, ethereum just breakout from a triple top and now it's aiming straight for the ATH, there's no way it will retrace until then at least not under 4k, my guess is that we will see a new ATH on Monday

Ooooooooooo

>>60766847
Gotta clear out the longs

>>60766886
post the heatmap doubt there are many

its fairly obvious what the trendline here is. as you can see smart money is strategically pumping so they can exit with a profit. this shit will cruise all the way down to $1.5 before panic sets in among the retail class. it will then crash.
you would be a fool not to take profits now..dont say i didnt warn you.

>>60766915
>1pbtid trying to get me to think of xrp as a speculative asset

>>60766932
all crypto is speculative, even bitcoin. the only difference is bitcoin has a supply that isnt so collossal is beggars imagination, and its the first.
oh, and the majority of bitcoin isnt held by the founders. theres a reason those guys are moving to sell. they know this shit won't last.
screenshot this.

>60766941
very lazy, sloppy, old fud
thanks for trying to save me, though

>>60766947
here i drew a line for you and the other smoothies.

>60766968
>chartfagging

>>60766968
>>60766915
Just sold everything thanks

>>60766979
now turn off your browser and take a walk, don't buy in until 14th-15th. That's when the gigadump is incoming, don't fomo for now.

>>60766995
>don't buy in until 14th-15th
did you pull these days from your ass?

>>60767003
Putin will be shot down on his way to Alaska by the US. Bitcoin will dump in preparation to WW3, but nothing will happen, and we'll be back pumping by 20th

>>60767008
>Putin will be shot down
lol ok, but these are bullish news, that means the war in Ukraine will be over and everyone will see Russia as losing the war

>>60767029
if the US assassinated a G8 leader the markets would hemorrhage.

>>60767029
It's bearish short term, 3-5 days, but once everybody realizes that this war is over and was entirely Putins personal project because he was given, mockingly, a callsign 'moth' ('мoль') in Dresden KGB department in 1988 by a Ukrainian KGB officer (hence his le neonazi obsession), we'll get back to pumping.

>>60766307
>>60766334
>>60766362
Holy crossfag meltdown. You handwaved all the Christian atrocities and then went on to have a meltdown about Islam and commies. Yes it is a gish gallop when you make dozens claims each in your posts in order to contest one major claim(Christian Europe was savage and violent). If I were to refute every single claim of yours in detail it would take me hours. Christians ran fucking torture dungeons in Spain, they kidnapped millions of indigenous children and Christianized them against their parents will, they didn't give a fuck about banning slavery until a bunch of humanist heretics made a case for it by vaguely appealing to a few Christian values here and there(and only when it was starting to become economically outdated with industrialization). And they banned it in their countries while practicing it in their colonies for decades later. Christianity is not really at odds with any of this, they dont give a fuck. The Christian God orders them to genocide amalek down to the last man, animal, baby. They still believe those pagans believed it even if they have a 'new covenant now'. They believe at some point it was the moral thing to do. Isn't so funny how Christian Europeans can rape entire continents, causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of people, but none of that is predicated on Christianity(despite missionaries and the Church taking a proactive part in it). But anything and everything some secular humanist heretic comes up with(which the church would've executed few centuries before) is credited to Christianity.

>>60767175
>Crusades
I think you missed the point here faggot. If the best a 'Holy Christian force', sanctioned by the Church and accompanied by its priests and chroniclers could do, is slaughter the entire population of their holiest city then nothing stops them from doing it to any other city. I contrasted it with the Muslims because they didn't slaughter anyone after the city surrendered, so yes they were far better than the Christians, why the cope dumb ass?

>>60767008
Lol no.
When potus invites someone for a chat, they are untouchable for obvious reasons. The only way something happens to putin is if his own side does something (odds: 0% chance of happenings).

>>60762234 (OP)

That image is a lie.

>>60767294
You gonna use a better one for the next bake?

>>60767360
yes
NEW BAKE
>>60767375
>NEW BAKE
>>60767375
NEW BAKE
>>60767375

Ya'll mind if a white boy speak a little japanese?

>>60767201
No, you most definitely are. The muslims raped and pillaged 10x as much. And they did so in the full fledged backing of their actual religion. Rome commodified the Catholic church which is itself a synagogue of Satan, which I began this thread saying and committed revenge atrocities to redeem the empire against the muslims who just raped and killed their families, in direct contradiction with Christian moral ethics. Rome is not the most holy city, you literally are just a 16 year old redditor type who doesn't know the first thing about Christianity but defined themselves by hating it specifically and never mentioning islamic cancer which is actually prescriptively bad and has done way worse. For a Christian to be a bad person they must contradict their religion. For a muslim to be a monster they must act out their religion. You are low IQ and pathetic.

>>60764386
I don't know much about the boomers but have read accounts of them not falling for jew propaganda, think the holocaust is funny and Hitler was a cool dude. I really can't be mad at them, they didn't create this world but we're born into it.

>>60768110
>The muslims raped and pillaged 10x as much
No they did not. The Early Muslim Conquests were pretty tame actually. The muslims didn't really raze most of the levant or Egypt or north africa or lay entire cities to the sword. You only saw that in Islamic history later on during Timurid era. But all that is irrelevant you dumb fuck. We're talking about Christian EUROPE and what the Church/Christianity sanctioned and participated in. You ignored everything I talked about when it comes to their behavior during colonialism and the Christianization campaigns in northern Europe and the New world. The conquistadors literally created a new race of people through mass rape because they took more war brides than anyone else in history. Its called LATIN america for that exact reason. They erased their blood, culture, and way of life because European Christians believed they were granted mastery over the world and nature through divine ordinance.
>Rome is not the most holy city
I'm talking about Jerusalem you illiterate retard. The muslims never took Rome. The supposedly savage and insane muslims just took the city after it surrendered without razing it or killing all its inhabitants. Whereas the crusaders did just that despite having no justification for it. The most I can grant is that some of the chroniclers that accompanied them during the ordeal showed contempt for some of the actions. But no one was held accountable or reprimanded at any level. Nor did the Church disassociate itself from it.

>>60768340
>Muslims
Yes they did. Your reference of "the church" is the fucking Catholic church, you fucking idiot. And again, they were not Christians, they were political empire claiming Christianity despite operating contrary to its core most dictates. If it wasn't Christianity it would have been something anything else that gave them similar ideological power. Before the very first crusade was launched in 1095, Muslims had invaded the following Christian lands. They had invaded, Christian Syria, Christian Jordan, Christian Palestine, Christian Egypt, Christian Algeria, Christian Libya, Christian Morocco, Christian Portugal, Christian Spain, Christian France, Christian Sicily, Christian Turkey, Christian Armenia, Christian Italy. All before the first crusade. The jihads were so bad that they united multiple countries with huge differences across all races and classes from knights to peasants. It was so bad that they all came together, which is unprecedented in the entire course of human history. The crusades are a legitimate response to Islamic aggression, and Islamic violence. Islamic expansion from 622 (Muhammad’s Hijra) to 1095, when Pope Urban II called the First Crusade, was a relentless juggernaut. By 732, Muslims had conquered the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant, North Africa, and most of Iberia, a land grab of ~10 million square kilometers in roughly a century. That’s an average expansion rate of ~100,000 km2 per year. Compare that to the Roman Empire at its peak, which took centuries to hit ~5 million km2. The Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates weren’t just knocking on Christendom’s door-they were kicking it in. Key Christian centers like Jerusalem (captured 638), Alexandria (641), and Antioch (637) fell early, with Constantinople under siege multiple times (674–678, 717–718). By 1095, the Byzantine Empire, Christendom’s eastern bulwark, had lost ~50% of its territory since Justinian’s reign, shrinking from

>>60768340
>>60768561
~3.5 million km2 to ~1.8 million km2, largely due to Seljuk Turkish jihadist campaigns.
Jihad, contrary to the crusade motivation and action, is a doctrine baked into Islamic texts. The Quran’s Surah 9:29 explicitly calls for fighting “those who do not believe in Allah” until they pay jizya (a tax for non-Muslims) “in submission.” Hadiths, like Sahih Muslim 4294, reinforce this with Muhammad’s command to fight until Islam dominates. Quantitatively, jihadist campaigns from 622–1095 resulted in ~200 major battles and conquests recorded in primary sources like al-Tabari and Ibn Hisham. These weren’t defensive skirmishes—85% of these engagements were offensive, targeting non-Muslim territories. The Battle of Yarmouk (636) alone saw ~40,000 Byzantine troops obliterated, securing Syria for the Rashidun Caliphate. Fast-forward to the Seljuks: their victory at Manzikert (1071) cost Byzantium ~20% of its remaining land and opened Anatolia to Turkic settlement, with ~100,000 Christians displaced or killed per Byzantine chronicles. Flip to the Crusades: From 1095–1291, nine major Crusades and smaller campaigns aimed to reclaim the Holy Land and support Byzantium. Total Christian military commitment? Estimates suggest 2 million combatants over two centuries, with ~500,000 deaths (including civilians). Islamic losses? Comparable, with chroniclers like Ibn al-Athir noting ~300,000 dead in the First Crusade alone. The Crusades temporarily reclaimed ~150,000 km2, including Jerusalem (1099–1187, 1229–1244), a fraction of the ~10 million km2 lost to Islamic conquests. Only 20% territorial recovery was gotten, short-lived. Crusader campaigns were 90% reactive, targeting regions lost to prior Muslim aggression. Unlike jihad’s offensive sprawl, Crusades were geographically constrained, focused on reversing specific losses. Islamic jihad’s body count from 622–1095 dwarfs the Crusades.

>>60768340
>>60768561
>>60768570
Christian chroniclers (like Anna Comnena) and Muslim sources (like al-Baladhuri) suggest 5–10 million deaths from Islamic conquests, including forced conversions and massacres (~50,000 killed in Jerusalem’s 638 fall). Crusader atrocities, like the 1099 Jerusalem sack (40,000 killed), were brutal but smaller in scale and frequency. Jizya and dhimmi systems extracted 10–20% of non-Muslim income annually, per Ibn Khaldun, crippling Christian communities under Muslim rule. Crusades, while costly ($200 billion in modern terms for logistics), were funded largely by European nobility, not systemic extortion.
Jihad aimed for universal submission (Quran 8:39), with no reciprocal tolerance-Christians in Muslim lands faced dhimmitude or death. Crusades, while not saintly, sought to restore access to pilgrimage sites and protect Christian populations. Byzantium’s 1071 plea to Rome wasn’t abstract—it was a desperate response to ~70% Christian population loss in Anatolia post-Manzikert. Without Crusades, Constantinople’s fall (1453) likely happens centuries earlier, erasing Christendom’s eastern flank. “Crusades were imperialist!” Nah, anon. Imperialism builds empires; Crusades were a military sinkhole, netting Europe zero permanent gains. Compare to jihad’s permanent annexation of ~30% of the known world by 1095. “Crusades were unprovoked!” Wrong..700 years of jihadist aggression, from Tours to Manzikert, begged a counterpunch. “They were religious fanaticism!” Sure, but so was jihad, with a longer rap sheet, and again, the jihads were prescribed by the Quran; the Crusades were a contradiction of Christian prescriptive ethics. Crusades were a numerically (but not ethically) justified response to Islamic jihad’s 500-year, 10-million-km2 rampage. Christendom was bleeding out; Crusades were a tourniquet, not a sword. Jihad’s scale and intent were existential threats, and dwarfed the crusades’.

>>60768340
I don't know how many times you are going to or why you even once insist I defend the Catholic church, when again, I am a Christian who started this thread rebuking them. You are a low IQ thirdworlder who refuses to admit you are objectively wrong on every concept. Islam is psychological and social and political cancer in every way and mohammed is a faggot warlord retard pedophile, no exaggeration. Islam is incoherent, prescriptively barbaric and savage, and contradicts itself hundreds of times. Cope

>>60768561
>>60768570
>>60768580
>>60768594
Its pretty obvious that no matter how I prove that Christian Europe was savage and barbaric you will run away from all that and talk only about Islam. This obsession is pretty common amongst Christian apologists, regardless you cant help but lie through your teeth. Nobody said it was just about the Catholic Church. EO and Protestant Christians behaved no different around the world. The brutality of the Russians against central Asians and in the Caucasus, protestants and catholics in the new world, asia, and africa. Nobody else comes close. The death toll of Islamic conquests are in the millions, but Christian conquests are likely above the hundred million mark especially after the colonial era. You talking about Islam and Muslims when I give specific examples of Christian behavior is just cope.
>Jerusalem
There isn't a single contemporary historical source that says the Muslims killed 50k of Jerusalem's inhabitants in 637. You just made that up. Muslims conquering eastern Christendom is just your typical conquest, which everyone on earth did. Nobody counts dead soldiers as proof of 'savagery'.
>Christian Syria, Christian Jordan, Christian Palestine, Christian Egypt, etc
Oh yes lands that had state religion of Nicene Christianity forced on them by Constantine and later on Theodosius I, leading to the near annihilations of early Christian sects, oppression of oriental Christians, and the disappearance of folk and pagan religions in many parts of north africa and levant.
Many such groups would later on ally with the muslims against Byzantium like Nesoteric and Monophysite Arabs. Funny how the Patriarch Benjamin of Alexandria came out of hiding after his Christian brethren the Byzantines lost control of Egypt . Must've been playing hide and seek. There was no united Christian world that was attacked by evil muslims. It was a rotten byzantine status quo that crumbled when faced with a new vital civilizational force.

>>60768714
You are literally just projecting. I was making exactly that point, that you continuously deflect from on sphere and define unipolar to the other, whereas I have thoroughly and totally rebuked the Catholic church and reiterated how its actions were counter-christian and the jihad's actions were exactly islam enacted on the real world. You are an apologist for islam while pretending to not be and you are projecting exactly this on me. In the broader Palestine campaign seige ternminating in the sacking of Jerusalem (634–638), with major battles like:Ajnadayn (634): ~10,000–20,000 Byzantine deaths, per al-Waqidi and Yarmouk (636): ~30,000–50,000 Byzantine casualties (troops and auxiliaries), per Theophanes and modern estimates (Kennedy, The Great Arab Conquests). Care to address any of my other numbers? You are disingenuously avoiding the entire argument and pretending not to know you are objectively wrong and hoping replying to one part of it in a silo'd pedantic way will distract from the fact you are hiding from the actual argument and deflecting by projecting the exact style of uneven standard you are applying, to say nothing of my prior discussion on your own religiousity (see >>60765859 and
>>60765877). If you sincerely believe that empire will cease its operation if formalized religion disappears you are an ignorant retard who needs to revisit the entire 1900s of history. The only difference is that Christianity is prescriptively against such action and islam endorses and celebrates it and muslim people have an 81 average IQ (literally originally considered mentally retarded) and are more easily whipped up into a fervor/always have been
The broader Palestine campaign (634–638) was bloodier, with major battles like:Ajnadayn (634): ~10,000–20,000 Byzantine deaths, per al-Waqidi.
Yarmouk (636): ~30,000–50,000 Byzantine casualties (troops and auxiliaries), per Theophanes and modern estimates (Kennedy, The Great Arab Conquests).

>>60768714
From 622 (Hijra) to 1095, Islamic conquests annexed ~10.34 million km2, per al-Tabari, Ibn Hisham, and Kennedy (The Great Arab Conquests).
Syria, Jordan, Palestine (634–638): ~400,000 km2, including Jerusalem (638), Antioch (637). ~90% Christian pre-conquest, per Russell (Demography of Early Islam). ~50,000–100,000 casualties (Yarmouk, 636, ~30,000–50,000 dead, per Theophanes).
Egypt (639–642): ~1 million km2, ~6 million Christians (90% of population). ~50,000 dead, per John of Nikiu. Alexandria’s fall (641) crippled Byzantine naval power.
North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco, 647–709): ~4 million km2, ~80% Christian pre-conquest. ~100,000–200,000 dead or displaced, per al-Baladhuri.
Iberia (Portugal, Spain, 711–718): ~600,000 km2, ~95% Christian (Visigothic). ~100,000 dead or displaced, per Chronicle of 754.
France (732, Battle of Tours): Limited incursion, halted by Charles Martel. ~5,000–10,000 dead, per Isidore of Beja.
Sicily (827–902): ~25,000 km2, ~70% Christian. ~50,000 dead or displaced, per Ibn al-Athir.
Turkey (Anatolia, 1071–1095): ~700,000 km2 post-Manzikert (1071). Christian population dropped from ~90% to ~30%, ~1.2 million displaced, ~200,000 dead, per Anna Comnena and Michael the Syrian.
Armenia (639–1071): ~100,000 km2, ~95% Christian. ~50,000–100,000 dead, per Sebeos.
Italy (raids, 831–846): Minor coastal incursions (Rome 846), ~5,000–10,000 dead, per Liber Pontificalis.

60% of Christendom’s eastern and southern territories (6.2 million km2) lost, with 7.8–12.3 million dead and ~5.2 million enslaved across 473 years, per Russell and Kennedy. Byzantine GDP fell from ~$110 billion (2025 USD) in 700 to ~$65 billion by 1095 (41% loss), per Maddison Project, due to severed trade and tax bases.

>>60768714
>>60768811
Constantine’s Edict of Milan (313) legalized Christianity, not forced it. Theodosius I’s Edict of Thessalonica (380) made Nicene Christianity the state religion, but paganism persisted (e.g., ~10% of Roman Empire still pagan by 400, per Stark’s The Rise of Christianity). Persecution of sects like Arians or Donatists was sporadic, not genocidal—e.g., Arians thrived in Visigothic Spain until ~589 (Recared’s conversion). Pagan “disappearance” in North Africa and the Levant was gradual, with ~5% pagan by 600, per MacMullen (Christianity and Paganism). No evidence of “near annihilation” of sects; Nestorians and Monophysites flourished in Persia and Egypt, respectively, pre-Islam.

Muslim conquests didn’t liberate pagans or sects-they imposed Islam’s supremacy (Quran 9:29). Dhimmis faced jizya (~$55 billion/year) and legal inferiority (no weapons, no testimony against Muslims, per Pact of Umar). Pagan temples (e.g., in Harran) were destroyed or converted, per al-Baladhuri. Nicene oppression? Islamic rule swapped one hierarchy for another, with harsher economic and social penalties. Some Monophysites (Copts in Egypt) and Nestorians cooperated with Muslims due to Byzantine theological disputes (Council of Chalcedon, 451). Benjamin, a Monophysite, negotiated with Amr ibn al-As in 641 to secure Coptic autonomy, per John of Nikiu. But this was pragmatic, not ideological—Byzantine taxes (10% of income, per Jones’s Later Roman Empire) were lower than jizya (10–20%). No evidence of mass sectarian uprisings against Byzantium; most Christians (~90% in Egypt, per Russell) remained loyal or neutral. Yarmouk (636) saw ~40,000 Byzantine Christian troops, including local Arabs, fight Muslims, per Theophanes. Alliances were minimal and opportunistic, not a rejection of a “rotten” Byzantium. Muslim conquests subjugated all Christians—Nicene, Monophysite, or Nestorian—under dhimmitude. Benjamin’s “hiding” was likely due to war

>>60768714
>>60768811
>>60768828
chaos, not targeted persecution (no primary source confirms Byzantine hunting him). Post-conquest, Copts faced jizya and land confiscations, per al-Baladhuri, hardly a liberation. Christendom wasn’t a monolith, but shared religious identity (Nicene Creed, pilgrimage sites) unified it against external threats. Byzantium, despite internal issues (e.g., Monophysite disputes), maintained a robust economy ($110 billion GDP in 700, per Maddison) and military (150,000 troops pre-Manzikert, per Treadgold). Manzikert (1071) cost 40,000 troops and ~700,000 km2, with ~1.2 million Christians displaced, per Anna Comnena. This galvanized the First Crusade’s coalition (100,000 from diverse regions), a unity unseen in prior conflicts (e.g., Charlemagne’s campaigns, 30,000 max, per Vita Karoli Magni). Islamic jihad’s scale (10.34 million km2, ~7.8–12.3 million dead) forced this response. Byzantium wasn’t “rotten”—it was a geopolitical bulwark absorbing jihadist pressure for centuries. Its “crumbling” was due to relentless Muslim campaigns (237, ~86.5% offensive, per al-Tabari). Islam’s “vitality” was predatory, fueled by jizya ($5 trillion total, 622–1095) and doctrinal mandates (Quran 8:39). The Crusades’ coalition, uniting knights to peasants across Europe, refutes the “no unity” claim-jihad’s threat was the glue. Islam was not a vital civilizational force, ~237 campaigns, ~10.34 million km2, ~7.8–12.3 million dead, per al-Tabari and Russell. Jizya funded armies, not innovation-Byzantine tech (Greek fire) and scholarship (Codex Sinaiticus) outshone early Islamic output, per Gibb. Muslim conquests disrupted trade (Mediterranean commerce fell ~50% by 700, per Pirenne), impoverishing Christian regions. Byzantium’s “decay” was external, not internal--jihad’s relentless pressure (717–718 Constantinople siege, ~80,000 troops, per Theophanes) bled it dry. Islam’s “vitality” was

>>60768714
>>60768811
>>60768828
>>60768856
extractive, not liberatory, enforcing dhimmitude and cultural erasure (~70% Christian demographic loss in Anatolia post-1071, per Michael the Syrian). axes were lower than jizya, and sectarian “alliances” were pragmatic, not ideological. The Crusades’ unprecedented coalition (~100,000 across classes and nations) proves jihad’s existential threat united Christendom. Islam’s “vitality” was a military steamroller, not a cultural renaissance, leaving a trail of ~7.8–12.3 million corpses. Islam is, was and will always be retarded, incoherent cancer. And your defense of it is indefensible. It is endlessly the source of problem and no good and prescriptively calls for savage conquest. The crusades were contrary to Christianity and even still were more restrained only towards getting back what was ravaged.

>>60767175
No, it is not gish galloping to make a complex argument with multiple claims in an informal setting. Ironically, see Martin Luther's theses posted to the door of the church. The formation of the end of slavery came as a direct consequence of all men being equal in the eyes of God and you can literally anthropologically track the abolishing to Christian missionary and evangelical work. This is well understood history and no one even disputes it except those who are completely ignorant to history. Your claim of the Amalek dates to Judaic Old Testament dictates, which similarly directed the sacrifice of animals. You are not saying anything new and are not 1/100th educated enought to have this discussion, you are just parroting shit you read. Jesus came to fulfill the law and upended burnt offerings and interrupted a woman being stoned to death for sin to say that no man is qualified to stone or judge any other. Given that all sin is equal (except for blaspheming the holy spirit) and that this standard stands and that there is nothing deserving of punishment but sin which fully encapuslates all badness and divergence from God's will and order, there is no condition or action justifying war or murder which are subsets of stoning. This is implicit and the core ethic of Christianity and inarguable. Your argument is wrong in most places, foundationally wrong in all important places, and over-general/exaggeratory in the places it is directionally right in terms of outcomes which again are actions of empire and contradict the prescriptions of the religion itself. Not sure why you commented.

>>60767175
Look up who William Wilberforce is and also the fact the arab slave trade is ongoing and predates the atlantic slave trade and dwarfs it in size and scope.

>>60768781
>reiterated how its actions were counter-christian
Yeah says you. Besides I didn't talk exclusively about the crusades or the catholic church.
>EO and Protestant Christians behaved no different around the world. The brutality of the Russians against central Asians and in the Caucasus, protestants and catholics in the new world, asia, and africa. Nobody else comes close. The death toll of Islamic conquests are in the millions, but Christian conquests are likely above the hundred million mark especially after the colonial era. You talking about Islam and Muslims when I give specific examples of Christian behavior is just cope.
> Care to address any of my other numbers?
Do you think I'm arguing that muslims took over 1/3rd of the world without killing anyone? These numbers are par for the course for such large conquest with a time span of around 600-800 years. You cant name a single Christian or European empire that doesn't have even worse numbers. Who gives a shit?
What does this have to do with all the Christian behavior I cited? Christians engaged in far worse atrocities than anything you mentioned here during the colonial era alone. Did the muslims steal sub-Saharan africa and the new world from Christians too? Why is it that every single major Christian empire/state engaged in these counter-Christian actions cited here >>60767175 without exception? Mind you that virtually all of their campaigns and expeditions were blessed by their churches and missionaries. Who took part and aided the effort as I mentioned here. If it was against Christianity they would've been seeking to stop it instead. Yet again you hand wave all this shit and go on to have a meltdown about Islam.

>>60768828
>10% of Roman Empire still pagan by 400
Oh so a decline of Christianity in Egypt of 70% is unprecedented savagery but when its 90% of paganism is fine because it persisted. Well congrats retard Christians are still 10% of Egypt today.
>Constantine’s Edict of Milan (313) legalized Christianity, not forced it. Theodosius I’s Edict of Thessalonica (380) made Nicene Christianity the state religion
This is pure fucking apologetics. They banned/killed the bishops of heretical churches, exiled many of their followers, and shut down their churches and confiscated their assets. Codex Theodosianus literally contains laws regarding all of that and it was recorded by the Byzantines themselves. You cite MacMullen despite the fact that he documents these exact actions in his book Christianizing the Roman Empire.
>Muslim conquests didn’t liberate pagans or sects-they imposed Islam’s supremacy
Nobody said they did. All conquest imposes supremacy of the conqueror. What you're not getting through your thickhead is that the muslims imposed on Christians what they were imposing on others through state power. Except you're the only one moralfagging here about how le muslims were super evil. Whereas a neutral observer will see nothing exceptional about early muslim conquests compared to the colonial era and the Christianization that followed from it. The world would later on see even more brutal wars in the 20th century from facism and communism, but that doesn't change your record.
>The formation of the end of slavery came as a direct consequence of all men being equal in the eyes of God
Yeah all white christian men. Funny how Christian Europeans unanimously understood that as such until VERY recently. Since they continued treating africans and natives like subhumans and enslaved them for centuries after this ML's theses.
>you are just parroting shit you read.
Says the lying apologist

>>60769049
I never cited Luther's theses as the thread that led to the dissolution of slavery, you fucking retard. I cited them as example of argumentation type. Paganism’s decline was gradual, spanning ~300 years (100–400 CE), driven by conversion, social pressure, and legal restrictions (Theodosius I’s bans on pagan temples, Codex Theodosianus 16.10). MacMullen (Christianity and Paganism) estimates ~50% pagan in 300 CE, dropping to ~10% by 400, with ~100,000–200,000 pagans killed or displaced empire-wide, mostly via localized riots (e.g., Serapeum destruction, 391, ~1,000 dead). No evidence of systematic extermination--pagan elites (Symmachus) persisted into the 5th century. Egypt’s Christian decline: 90% Christian in 641 (6 million, per Russell) to ~20% by 1095 (1.5 million), a 70% drop in ~450 years under Muslim rule. Causes: jizya (10–20% income tax, $55 billion/year empire-wide, per Ibn Khaldun), forced conversions (~100,000 Copts converted by 800, per al-Maqrizi), and massacres (~50,000 dead in Alexandria, 641, per John of Nikiu). Modern Egypt: ~10% Christian (10 million of ~100 million, per 2020 estimates), but this reflects 14 centuries of pressure, not just early conquests. The pagan decline was slower (0.3% population/year, 100–400 CE) and less violent (100,000–200,000 dead over 300 years) than Egypt’s Christian decline (~0.16% population/year but with ~500,000–1 million dead or converted by 1095, per Russell). Muslim conquests imposed jizya and dhimmitude (legal inferiority, no weapons, per Pact of Umar), absent in Roman pagan policy. Pagan “persistence” was cultural (rural cults), not demographic survival under taxation like Christians faced. The reply’s “10% today” ignores 450 years of jihadist pressure vs. 300 years of Roman diffusion-false equivalence. Jihad’s ~7.8–12.3 million total deaths (622–1095, per Russell) dwarf Roman pagan losses. No hypocrisy here, jihad’s scale and speed were savage by comparison.

>>60769049
>>60769112
The Codex Theodosianus (16.5, 16.6) does mandate penalties against heretics: Arian bishops were exiled (Arius post-Nicaea, 325), churches were confiscated (50 Arian churches in Constantinople by 380), and fines were imposed. MacMullen documents ~1,000–5,000 deaths from anti-heretical violence (riots against Arians, 340s) and ~10,000–20,000 exiles empire-wide (325–400 CE). Monophysites faced pressure post-Chalcedon (451), with some bishops deposed (e.g., Dioscorus of Alexandria), but mass persecution was limited—e.g., Copts in Egypt (90% of population, ~6 million) remained intact under Byzantine rule, per Russell. Muslim conquests: 10.34 million km2 annexed (622–1095), ~7.8–12.3 million dead, ~5.2 million enslaved, per al-Tabari and Russell. Egypt alone: ~50,000 dead (641), ~100,000 converted by 800, jizya on ~5 million Christians ($10 billion/year, 2025 USD). Dhimmitude enforced legal inferiority (no testimony against Muslims, per al-Baladhuri). Byzantine taxes (~10%, per Jones, Later Roman Empire) were half jizya’s rate. Byzantine persecution was real but small-scale: 1,000–5,000 deaths, ~10,000–20,000 exiles over ~75 years (325–400), vs. jihad’s ~7.8–12.3 million deaths over 473 years. The Codex targeted elites (bishops, clergy), not mass populations—Monophysites and Nestorians thrived pre-Islam (~1 million Nestorians in Persia, per Brock). Muslim conquests didn’t “liberate” sects; they imposed heavier taxes and systemic subjugation (e.g., Copts paid jizya, faced land confiscations, per al-Maqrizi). MacMullen’s data supports limited, targeted Byzantine actions, not genocide. The reply’s attempt to equate the two collapses—jihad’s existential toll (60% of Christian lands, ~6.2 million km2) dwarfs sectarian squabbles. No apologetics, you are just wrong. 10.34 million km2, ~7.8–12.3 million dead, ~5.2 million enslaved, ~237 campaigns (86.5% offensive), per al-Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Russell.

>>60769049
>>60769112
>>60769131
10.34 million km2, ~7.8–12.3 million dead, ~5.2 million enslaved, ~237 campaigns (86.5% offensive), per al-Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Russell. Jizya ($55 billion/year, 2025 USD) funded armies, enforced dhimmitude on ~10 million Christians. Prescribed by: Quran 9:29, 8:39 (universal submission). Syria lost (400,000 km2, 636–638), Egypt lost (1 million km2, 641), Anatolia lost (700,000 km2 post-1071, ~1.2 million displaced, per Anna Comnena). ~100,000–200,000 pagans dead or displaced, ~1,000–5,000 sectarians killed, ~10,000–20,000 exiled, per MacMullen. ~0 km2 (internal consolidation, not conquest) of territorial gain. ~5 million km2 Roman Empire, ~10% pagan by 400. 50 million km2 colonized, ~50–100 million dead (Americas’ indigenous decline, per Mann, 1491), driven by trade, tech (gunpowder), and disease (80% of American deaths). Christianization was secondary, not doctrinal--Spanish missions converted ~10 million, per Weber, but lacked Quranic-style mandates. ascism/communism (WWII, 70 million dead; Mao’s campaigns, ~40 million, per Rummel, Death by Government) were industrial-scale but temporally compressed (1930–1950). Muslim conquests spanned 473 years, averaging ~16,000–26,000 deaths/year, vs. WWII’s ~3.5 million/year. Muslim conquests were exceptional in scale and intent. 10.34 million km2 in 473 years (21,860 km2/year) outpaced Rome (25,000 km2/year) and rivaled Mongols (24 million km2 in 100 years). Doctrinal drive (Quran 9:29, hadiths like Sahih Muslim 4294) mandated universal submission, unlike colonial profit motives or communist ideology. Jizya’s ~$5 trillion (622–1095) systematically drained Christian economies, unlike Byzantine taxes ($10 billion/year, less extractive). Colonial and 20th-century wars were brutal but lacked jihad’s sustained religious targeting of Christians (60% of conquests, ~6.2 million km2).

>>60769049
>>60769112
>>60769131
>>60769146
Saying “all conquests are equal” is lazy relativism-jihad’s ~86.5% offensive campaigns and ~7.8–12.3 million deaths were a unique existential threat, galvanizing the Crusades’ unprecedented coalition (100,000 across classes, per Riley-Smith). “Moralfagging?" Nah, just calling out a ~10:1 casualty ratio (jihad vs. Crusades, ~1.12 million dead) and ~6.7:1 offensive ratio. Data > feelings. You. Are. Wrong. In. Every. Way. And. A. Low. IQ. Thirdworlder. Desperate. To. Cope.

>>60769049
Also, Islam is retard IQ/inbreeding maintained social cancer. Literally the stupidest religion and people in human history.

>>60769112
This is getting tiring. Byzantine policy towards paganism was oppression plain and simple. Muslims imposing Islamic supremacy was not more barbaric. You deceptively only talked about the Byzantines when talking about anti-pagan oppression while ignoring overall behavior of Christians around the world but at the same time you lump all the Islamic empires as one singular monolith. Despite them differing in leniency towards certain groups and having different internal politics. When you look at the larger picture for Christianity, they are guilty of far bigger brutality.
>Jizya
The Jizya was a flat tax, not income based according to much earlier sources. But it was tiered depending on the age and the majority of Christians(women, children, elderly, disabled) were exempt from it. Sounds a lot less barbaric than what the Christians were up to in the new world and Africa and colonial wealth extraction. But that's all okay because it was motivated by profit(according to you). But thats evidently false because far too many Christian authorities aided and promoted it.
> invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans … and reduce their persons to perpetual slavery” (Pope Nicholas V, Dum Diversas)
>Inter Caetera (1493) which was signed by Pope Alexander VI,this gave Spain the right to territorial expansion west of a demarcation line, intended to spread Christianity and bring barbarous nations to the faith
inb4 muh catholics
The EO did the same in central asia and so did protestants in Africa and the new world. The head of the British monarchy is also the head of the Angelical church. Colonialism was definently sanctioned and promoted by Christianity. So the crusades were far from the only Christian wars. Saying otherwise is bullshit apologetics, and so is saying "its okay because most deaths were indirect". The death toll of colonialism is in the hundreds of millions you fraud, even when ignoring inevitable deaths from new diseases.

>>60769160
>Literally the stupidest religion and people in human history.
Congrats on losing to them then, retard?

>>60769226
It's getting tiring to you because your projection and whataboutist tu quoque sans any form of internal concession and total apologism and vacant Allinsky projection claims are falling flat and being objectively proven wrong on literally every single point. You are a disingenuous thirdworlder. Byzantine Anti-Pagan Oppression: Theodosius I’s Codex Theodosianus (16.10, 380–391) banned pagan sacrifices and closed temples (e.g., Serapeum, 391, 1,000 dead, per MacMullen, Christianity and Paganism). Pagan population: ~50% of Roman Empire (25 million) in 300 CE, 10% (5 million) by 400, per Stark (The Rise of Christianity). ~100,000–200,000 deaths over ~300 years (100–400 CE), mostly via riots, not systematic slaughter. Sectarian persecution (Arians, Monophysites): ~1,000–5,000 killed, ~10,000–20,000 exiled (325–400), per MacMullen. No territorial expansion; internal consolidation within ~5 million km2. Muslim Conquests (622–1095) led to 10.34 million km2 annexed, ~7.8–12.3 million dead, ~5.2 million enslaved, ~237 campaigns (86.5% offensive), per al-Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Russell (Demography of Early Islam). Christian losses: 60% of eastern territories (6.2 million km2), e.g., Syria (400,000 km2, 636–638), Egypt (1 million km2, 641), Anatolia (700,000 km2 post-Manzikert, 1071, ~1.2 million displaced, per Anna Comnena). Jizya ($55 billion/year, 2025 USD) on ~10 million dhimmis, per Ibn Khaldun, enforced legal inferiority (Pact of Umar).
Islamic “Monolith”: Rashidun (632–661, ~3 million km2), Umayyad (661–750, ~7 million km2), Abbasid (750–900), and Seljuk (1037–1095) empires varied in administration but shared Quranic mandates (9:29, 8:39) for jihad and dhimmitude. Leniency (Abbasid tolerance of Nestorians) was pragmatic, not universal-jizya and restrictions persisted (~100,000 Copts converted by 800, per al-Maqrizi). ~86.5% of campaigns were offensive across all empires, per al-Tabari.

>>60769226
>>60769283
Pre-1095, Christian expansion was minimal—Byzantine reconquests (e.g., Justinian, 527–565) reclaimed 1 million km2, mostly from Vandals/Ostrogoths, with ~100,000–200,000 deaths, per Procopius. Post-1095, Crusades (1.12 million dead, ~150,000 km2) and later colonialism are separate from the 7th–11th-century context. Byzantine oppression (100,000–200,000 dead over 300 years) was orders of magnitude smaller than jihad’s ~7.8–12.3 million dead over 473 years. Pagans faced cultural erosion, not systematic slaughter or taxation like Christians under jizya ($5 trillion total, 622–1095). Framing Islam as a “monolith” is valid-Quranic doctrine (9:29) and consistent jizya/dhimmitude unified Rashidun-to-Seljuk policies, unlike Christianity’s fragmented polities (Byzantium, Franks, Visigoths) pre-1095. Byzantine actions (1,000–5,000 sectarian deaths) don’t touch jihad’s ~60% territorial loss (6.2 million km2). Your reply’s equivalence is cope-jihad’s scale and intent were existential. Primary sources (al-Baladhuri, Futuh al-Buldan; Abu Yusuf, Kitab al-Kharaj) describe jizya as a poll tax, often flat but scaled by wealth (1–4 dinars/year, ~$200–$800 in 2025 USD, per Ibn Khaldun). Exemptions: women, children, elderly, disabled, monks (sometimes), per Pact of Umar. However, ~50% of dhimmi populations (adult males, ~5 million of ~10 million Christians) paid, yielding ~$55 billion/year (2025 USD) empire-wide, per Ibn Khaldun. Enforcement was harsh--non-payers faced imprisonment or enslavement (~10,000 Egyptians enslaved, 641–700, per al-Maqrizi). Jizya funded ~237 campaigns, per al-Tabari, and reinforced dhimmitude (no weapons, no testimony against Muslims). European colonialism (1500–1900) extracted $10–20 trillion (2025 USD) via trade, slavery, and taxes, per Pomeranz (The Great Divergence). Americas: ~50–100 million indigenous deaths (80% disease, ~20% violence, per Mann, 1491).

>>60769283
>>60769301
Its not whataboutism to mention Christian history in its entirety when its the topic of debate you braindead christcuck, just as you mention Islamic policy towards non-muslims in its entirety. You're the dishonest apologist cherry picking periods of border stagnation of Christendom as proof of lower violence, while comparing it to the hot and rising Islamic empire. Why do you keep running away from colonialism?

>>60769226
>>60769283
>>60769301
Africa: ~10–15 million enslaved, ~5–10 million dead, per Lovejoy (Transformations in Slavery). Colonial taxes (Spanish encomienda) were ~10–20% of income, similar to jizya, but disease amplified mortality. You cite Dum Diversas (1452, Pope Nicholas V) and Inter Caetera (1493, Pope Alexander VI), which sanctioned slavery and Christian expansion. Anglican monarchs (Elizabeth I) and Orthodox rulers (Ivan IV in Central Asia) also tied faith to conquest. However, colonial motives were primarily economic and empire driven (~$2 trillion in New World silver, per Barrett), with Christianity as a secondary justification, unlike jihad’s Quranic mandate (9:29). And AGAIN, I HAVE MADE NO DEFENSE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND HAVE REBUKED IT TOTALLY, IT HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIAN ETHICS AND ITS ACTIONS IN NO WAY BEING DETERMINED BY THEM, UNLIKE ISLAMIC JIHAD WHICH PRESCRIBES AND CELEBRATES IT. Not sure how many fucking time this needs to be said for you to recognize how obvious it is you are disingenuously coping. Jizya’s “flat” nature didn’t make it lenient—5 million payers faced ~$55 billion/year, crippling communities (e.g., Egypt’s Christian population fell ~70% by 1095, per Russell). Exemptions applied only to non-working populations, leaving productive males under pressure, often forcing conversions (100,000 Copts by 800, per al-Maqrizi). Colonial extraction was brutal (50–100 million dead), but its ~400-year span and disease-driven toll (80%) differ from jihad’s direct violence (7.8–12.3 million dead, ~80% combat-related). Jihad’s religious mandate (Quran 9:29) was explicit and universal; colonial "Christianity" was opportunistic, not doctrinal (no New Testament equivalent to 9:29). Jizya’s ~$5 trillion funded ~60% of Christian land loss (6.2 million km2).

>>60769226
>>60769283
>>60769301
>>60769329
2.15 million combatants, ~150,000 km2 reclaimed (1.45% of jihadist gains), 1.12 million deaths (620,000 Christian, 500,000 Muslim), per Riley-Smith, Ibn al-Athir. ~90% reactive, targeting lost territories (e.g., Jerusalem, 1099–1187), per Tyerman. Cost: ~$250 billion (2025 USD). Purpose: defend ~15 million Christians, restore pilgrimage (5,000/year post-1099, per Kedar). Colonialism (1500–1900): 50 million km2, ~50–100 million dead (Americas: ~50–80 million, ~80% disease; Africa: ~5–10 million, per Mann, Lovejoy). Excluding disease: ~10–20 million deaths from violence/slavery, per Rummel (Death by Government). Papal bulls and Anglican/Orthodox rulers (British East India Company, Russian expansion) tied Christianity to conquest, but economic motives dominated ($2 trillion silver, per Barrett). “hundreds of millions” is nonsense—best estimates (Mann, Rummel) give 50–100 million colonial deaths, ~10–20 million from violence, over 400 years (25,000–50,000/year). Jihad’s 7.8–12.3 million (16,000–26,000/year, 80% combat) over 473 years is comparable in intensity but tied to a religious mandate (Quran 9:29) vs. colonialism’s economic core. Crusades (1.12 million dead, 90% reactive) were a direct response to jihad’s ~60% Christian land loss (6.2 million km2), not a colonial precursor. Pre-1095 Christian wars (~100,000–200,000 dead) pale beside jihad’s ~7.8–12.3 million. Calling the financialist kill chain of the British East India Company "Christian" is so delusional it is UNREAL. It is opportunistic satanic empire that will use anything it can for power, transmuted from the Dutch East India Company into Britain from the original Roman pretorian guard model.

>>60769329
>not doctrinal
Burden of proof is on you to prove that Christian state all over the world engaging in these colonial atrocities does not prove that Christianity itself condemn such actions. This argument is total BS, if your texts are ambiguous and leave room for such leeway then that's your problem. Colonialism was for sure opportunistic, and the devout Christian pounced on that opportunity feverously.
>give 50–100 million colonial deaths
Retard these are estimates of colonial violence excluding inevitable ones from disease. The Belgians killed 10 million in the congo alone. Your numbers are cooked beyond recognition.

>>60769229
>>60769229 We didn't lose? Wtf are you talking about? The crusades undid what they did and stopped because unlike them despite not being Christian in prescription, even they were not savages of that level, and the conscripted/volunteers would not have agreed to the same motion as a matter of kingdom making.
>>60769318
I have said like a dozen times now, the difference is it is not Christian dictate, it IS islam dictate. Christ contracted the policy of the crusades and they psyoped Christians into beleiving otherwise to aid the restoration of their empire. This is not true for islamic jihad, which was geared toward total domination and subjugation and was cruel and sinister and prescribed by the garbage religion. How am I running away from colonialism? It has nothing to do with Christianity. The guy who shot Reagan thought JD Salinger told him to do so, that doesn't make it so. Lol Mohammad on the otherhand...Low IQ muslim faggot and inbred literal retard.

> The crusades undid what they did
Not really, eastern Christendom was permanently destroyed by the Muslims.
>>60769370
>It has nothing to do with Christianity.
Up until modernity, Christianity was a very vital political force in every European country. Saying it had nothing to do with the decision making of European monarch going on colonialist ventures is apologetic bullshit that has no bearing on reality. You are genuinely delusional. Of course Christianization came second after wealth extraction, the two are not even in contradiction with each other. Its far easier to Christianize the poor which is why the Church ran austerity policy in Europe centuries. Not to mention the fact that you already destroyed all their ways of life and wealth, and integrated them into your own institutions ran by your missionaries. Of course their kids are going to grow up Christian. How very peaceful and ethical.
>The conscripted/volunteers would not have agreed to the same motion as a matter of kingdom making.
LMAO what a laugh. So this is the level of delusion christcuckery brings about

>>60769369
No it isn't. You don't understand epistemology or argumentation. The texts are not ambiguous, they are clear as can be. You not knowing the difference between the old and new testament or what Jesus coming did to the core judicial ethic does not make them unclear, it makes you an uneducated thirdworld savage desperate to cope. Agreed the numbers are cooked, almost all atributable to disease. I am not justifying empire on the basis of religion or arguing that they were justified in the first place. I am saying what I always said which is objective historical fact: Empire uses what rhetorical means are availed to it to drive or redeem itself. Zionists and the Rothschilds funded the creation and distribution of a Bible that inserted that it was the duty of mankind to defend "Israel." This doesn't make it true but it doesn't stop people from believing the apocraphyl insertion. The financialists will and have always used whatever they need to and can to drive outcomes, the difference is that with Islam they don't need to psyop and lie; the provably incoherent and wrong (literally contradicts itself dozens of times in foundational ways, no exaggeration) ideology itself calls for and prescribes and celebrates it. I don't know why you keep avoiding this core argument, or once more, the argument of your own religiousity now pointed to twice. Everyone is religious and everyone's collective religiousity will be constructed and psyoped and manufactured by evil faggots who want terrible things to happen, whether that religion is "Christianity," Islam, or neoliberal secular humanism bullshit, or an evolved cultural ethic x etc. Them sometimes misrepresenting and psyopping Christianity is irrelevant to this and is actually the strongest proof of what I am saying. Even the strongest assumed base of the strongest religion in the world is target and even the least facilitating religion is psyoped to direct the opposite by terrible people. If Christianity ceased to exist

>>60769369
>>60769404
islam would have won the region and it would be in total submission to it until a revolt of some other religious sort overcame it. And if Christianity left now, as said the WEF neoliberal corporate communism would rule, just as religiously, with the exception that it doesn't have built into it the foundation that killing is wrong and that no one is equipped to stone any other as the foundational ethic upon which to presume to build as accepted by the base population, as emphasized by the transing of kids and the treatment of unvaxxed and "alt-righters" over the last decade, Mao, Communist Russia, etc.

>>60769401
DUDE. HOLY SHIT. I am not defending the chruch. I am EXPRESSLY rebuking them and have been since my literal first comment. You are disingenuously strawmanning me. A good person needs to contradict islam. A bad person needs to contradict Christianity. Many who profeess one thing are doing so self-servingly and do not mean it. This is not true or specific to or prescribed by Christianity and the actions they enact in contrast with what is, obviously, definitionally are not either. This is not true for islam.

>>60769401
Calling me a christcuck won't raise your IQ or lighten your skin or de-incest your genes or those of your children.

>>60769404
>I don't know why you keep avoiding this core argument
It has nothing to do with my argument. I don't care if Islam promotes endless warfare against Christians. You're the one arguing that they are unbelievably barbaric and when I brought up Christianity's actions in the new world and against pagans you lost your mind and started genocide denial and handwaved every and all Christian behavior throughout the centuries without fail. Your entire bullshit argument rests on the unfounded claim that all these Christian authorities and 'divinely ordained' monarchs simply moved out of secular/material motivations and that Christianity is simply innocent from it all, despite it being a very proactive aspect of these same expeditions. What a crock of shit.

I would like to point out that precisely 0 minds have been changed by this bickering

>>60769401
>>60769424
It also won't make islam suddenly coherent or not retarded and not immoral as fuck. Mohammad was a faggot (literal) warlord pedophile who died the way the Quran said he would if he were a false prophet and satan worshipper. He directed his men to rape the wives of men they took as slaves and to stone a pregnant woman to death directly post-delivery (for sexual impurity), which is a direct judicial ethic (Quran also gave an eye for an eye) both of which are the negative reflection contradiction of Jesus' "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" as a foundational ethic upon which all things else are built. When he was taken in the garden, Peter, his favorite and closest disciple drew his sword and slewn the ear from one of the people who came to take him and he told him to sheath it, showing an example of the most lauded Christian in human history in THE PRESENCE of Jesus enacting violence and Jesus correcting him so that prophecy can be fulfilled and because he directed against this. Following this, Peter denied Christ 3 times. Judas, an original disciple, sold Jesus out for silver; this doesn't mean the Bible or Christianity direct to sell out Jesus for greed, or that the Bible is ambiguous. If someone took that lesson from it and argued it they could form a non-trivially sized army of defense who presumed to speak for Christianity. None of these actions were Christian ethical prescriptions. Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank did this exactly to judaism (which was already subverted through the pharisees and kaballah and Talmud etc.) through their "redemption through sin" doctrine. Zevi captured half of global jews. After this he "converted to islam" to survive the sultan and preached the same things within the new framework. These are not principled people or dictates and they have no connection with any of the religions and are just commodifications of them. Your arguments are low IQ and evasive and projection dense and strawmanning.

>>60769437
Islam PRESCRIBES endless warfare against ALL NON-MUSLIMS. They call for the murder of all who leave the religion. I'm not handwaving anything. I have said the crusades were unethical and anti-Christian excessively. You have meandered and projected and tu quoqued until your face went from brown to red. I never once appealed to the church or said their justifications were divinely ordained. You have argued against the church instead of arguing against what I said over and over and over and over and over because you literally don't even care what's actually true and semi-consciously know you can't argue my actual points because you are wrong. I never said the church officials were divinely ordained and I believe they are not and have spoken to this effect every comment. Christianity is not a proactive aspect of any of it, it is something they need to overcome to drive it actually in the hearts of those intending to practice it, as contrasted with Islam which is as proactive as proactive gets. Now you will reply with the same argument despite me clarifying 10x that you I do not defend the "church" that presumes but does not teach or enact Christianity. You are coping HARD AS FUCK. Why be so disingenuous? Is feeling contrarian and defending savagery really that important?

>>60769469
Why do you care? Migrate to the new thread or become a substantive person. Your choice.

>>60769472
Theyre not evasive, you're just a no-true scotsman lying christkike. I don't care about your personal crusade against Islam, faggot. You can't change the fact that you believe Jesus who you also believe to be the God of the new and old testament and he sanctioned slavery, genocide, and complete annihilation of 'disbelievers'. And clearly his followers did not miss this part because they enacted the very same behaviour around the world without fail, and rather than being opposed by devout Christians. Those same Christians joined them, blessed them, and aided their efforts. The colonizer would massacre the parents and the missionary pedo priest would molest and raise the child. Its the same playbook in Africa, The Americas, Australia, and all over the world. Any same person would recognize that you're bullshitting here.

>>60769505
NO. ANOTHER wrongly applied fallacy. Christian ethics is not a nebulous national sentiment-esque concept. It is overt, stark, and explicit. You are injecting equivication where there is none. Have already given extreme examples that contradict everything you said in particulars in >>60769472. Coopted ideology does not change its dictates. Just because a CRC decides to use the symbol of God's promise to man through Noah to welcome LGBTP into their congregation doesn't mean it is Christian, even if a large amount of self-alleged "Christians" promote and lobby it. Jesus spoke of these people.

Matthew 7:15-16
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>60769500
I care that you are succumbing to pride in this little pissing match you're having. No one is moved by either you or the other anon. You may think you're defending the faith, but you're really just defending your ego. Coming at me with teeth proves that.

>>60769505

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Most importantly and directly:
1 John 2:3-5
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

It is not a "no true scotsman." Ironically it is calling out hypocrisy and not giving a dominant vein of it authentic classification. This is not about saying no american would support x based on nebulous sentimental intuition. It is saying Christianity is not x based on explicit, divinely issued and written language prescription.

>>60769569
>It is overt, stark, and explicit.
Clearly not so explicit when it took centuries of debate to figure out how Jesus was actually God worked, and how they could retroactively superimpose that new understanding on the OT which no Jew interpreted as such. This is even worse if you're some sola scriptura Christian because of how protestant interpretations differ from one another and how little accountability there is for 'wrong' interpretations. At least Church tradition is more tightly kept.

>>60769572
Did Martin Luther expect the church elders to be convinced or did he make his argument to prove they knew and did not care and were hypocrites so that the public would see? You had your feelings hurt by my response so you are accusing me of actually being an egoist. Not sure what you think you are contributing doing this or why you would encourage more passive living or discussion. I am fully content to defend Christ everywhere I see fit to despite the inquisition of heteronomous no efforters who presume to judge my motivations in response to me challenging theirs. Lol

>>60769599
>Me arguing on a niche website in a niche thread is basically the same as Martin Luther publicly nailing his arguments to the church doors
>you are accusing me of actually being an egoist
and you are proving it

>>60769594
It is explicit in Isaiah. It didn't take that long and either way, arguing that there are meaning distinctions to equivocate over is irrelevant to this specific context per the walking theology of Christ's ethical prescriptions given exactly. There were multiple times Jesus spoke in parables and his disciples did not understand what he meant by "unleavened bread" etc. and he clarified for them. Their unknowing did not make it less clear in meaning or statement and the contexts which require higher levels of discernment or "milk for babes meat for men" multi-meaning are not relevant to considerations relevant to this topic. The quran has the exact same claim to multiplicity within singularity btw, muslims are just too stupid to see it despite it being a main common objection they make to Christianity which is itself an invalid and "how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast? But I did have breakfast." level critique in terms of Christianity, the trinity really not being such a complicated concept. Whether or not the blood of Christ is actually blood etc. is not relevant here.

>>60769599
>why you would encourage more passive living or discussion
I'm suggesting you pick your battles better

>>60769612
You misunderstanding analogy doesn't mean I have delusions of grandeur. I am saying that the righteous argument/and arguer does not concern himself with the uncaring other and that the person the argument is posted to is not always who the argument is written for. The only reason you are even replying still is because I hurt your feelings and you feel unsatisfied not getting the emotional satisfaction with feeling like you zinged me in a real way. That is literally it and you know it. And you have the gall to call me an egoist. Lol

>>60769620
I'm suggesting you live your own life, and that you begin doing so better. I will never decline to defend Christ no matter where or when.

>>60769619
>It didn't take that long and either way
It did take centuries, and many early church fathers had heretical beliefs because of it. At least until the state decided they found the right interpretation and forced it on everyone else. But its not just about how Christ the human lived, you believe he is also the God of the OT. And everything god does and sanctions back then is also attributed to Jesus.

>>60769594
Also LOL at "Church traditions" (assuming you are once more defaulting to Catholicism for some reason) being more tightly kept. See:
>>60764643
>>60764686
>>60764820
>>60764831
etc.

>>60769628
You missing the point to protect your ego isn't helping. Luther's actions had an audience and an impact, yours do not.
>the person the argument is posted to is not always who the argument is written for
Then who is it for? The millions and millions of people that will read this thread while going through the thousands of other /xsg/s in the archive?
>I hurt your feelings
masturbatory statement

>>60769672
More tightly kept means better archiving and record keeping, there is also less leeway for personal reinterpretation. Im not making a value judgement on how close they are to the truth they are.

My challenge to you:
Compile all your arguments into a book under a pseudonym and spread it for free as far and wide as you can.

>>60769665
I am saying it didn't take that long because the original . I do believe he is the God of the OT and that God is a trininity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Christ came and died for our sins and in fulfilling the law, without changing it, gave new prescriptive ethics to man in certain contexts. This is what John 8:7 is all about, and it is TOTALLY unprecedented from the prior tit-for-tat familiar ideation of antiquity. Your pointing to Old Testament guidance on burnt offerings for instance would not really be substantive. For an example, back then, the things modern talmudic jews say of the goyim were actually true. We had no place among the chosen. Jesus came and died and in so doing made a new nation of Israel in those who followed him who are the true Jews, rebuking the prior nation as practically speaking apostate and a synagogoue of satan after flipping the tables on the money changers and also calling them a den of vipers. This joined non-ethnically jewish people who chose to follow Christ unto the mystical body and discarded the birthright of those who refused him and chose to worship satan and false idols. He directed how we no longer need to make burnt offerings and how we jew and gentile alike and male and woman alike are all equal in Christ (TOTALLY unprecedented) and gave new directions on how to live within his fulfillment of the law. Before the state formalized an official religion, Rome were throwing Christians to the lions in the Colosseum. This happens everywhere in the world and has across history and it is ALMOST never to do with the actual ideology, which it USUALLY contradicts when inconvenient. Islam doesn't need to be contradicted to act as such. It is the living embodiment of it. Christianity does.

>>60769680
I am writing for anyone who lurks to know the truth or who might rediscover it in archives. You don't know how many people that fits, but I would write it for only one if I knew they would read it and I have reasonable suspicion to expect one might. You know I am right about what I said about you, and for the reason I am, you will never have the modesty and integrity to say it.

>>60769690
Neither am I nor were my responses directing to examples of that. Church magisterium is very loose, as emphasized by my example (can give others) and catholics are bound and must submit to it whether ordinary or not in order to be in accordance with catholicism.

>>60769697
Fair. But what stops me from doing both? Act globally and locally, as called to.

>>60769730
Like I said, get better at picking your battles
>You know I am right about what I said about you, and for the reason I am, you will never have the modesty and integrity to say it
>"My judgement is correct, and I deem you beyond redemption."
hahahahahah you really aren't doing yourself any favors

>>60769743
Your strawmanning doesn't help your case that you were only and solely meaning >>60769697. It says you feel needing to be redeemed and realized you were not going to do so without making it seem like I was mistaken about your intention. I don't deem you irredeemable. I deem you eminently, nearly infinitely redeemable. If you choose it, instead of ego.

>>60769748
By "needing to redeemed here" I mean that you feel ego threat and that your ego needs redeemed. I used a bit of ambiguous language here--Your ego needs starved, not redeemed

>>60769748
Not a strawman, but it's interesting seeing you move the goalposts on "never".

>>60769787
Didn't move goalposts or even vaguely adjust my position once. What do you mean?

>>60769801
>you will never have (the) modesty or integrity
>i deem you eminently, nearly infinitely redeemable. if you choose it
you moved the goalposts from "you're done" to "you can still repent"

>>60769810
I said you would never in this thread and frame of engagement do so. Not that you would never as a person be redeemable or redeem this aspect of yourself. You misunderstood me.

>>60769818
(I probably could have spoke clearer but would never assume you to take this meaning, particularly in context)

>>60769818
Come on, dude. That's a walkback.
It's like you were so caught up in battle mode that when your brother pulls you off from smashing that anon's face into the pavement you couldn't stop swinging.

>>60769826
You thought me saying you were going to keep doubling down on this thread meant that I was condemning you to Hell? Are you joking? If you genuinely took this meaning, I am sorry, I never intended you to think I was saying that to you. You are a wonderful creation of God and are capable of heights beyond your own imagining. I was just meaning by tone and clear intention, I believed it basically guaranteed you would not swallow ego in this thread. Sincerely this is what I always meant. If you are being insincere and forcing this interpretation to try to equivocate a victory in rhetoric to save ego, consider what this means and what is motivating you instead of what could be (not saying this is what you are doing, just saying IF).

Maybe you're a little feisty from the Dormition fast. Those get to me sometime. If nothing else gets through, just remember to write that book. Or better yet, produce an informative video. Your talent and breadth of knowledge is wasted here.

>>60769726
the original disciples and formative church fathers believed it.* Not sure what happened here, must've accidentally deleted this part.

>>60769838
Honor to hear that from you brother. Glad we could end copacetic even if we didn't start it! God bless!

>>60769848
God bless, brother