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Anonymous (ID: 07QNgZLS) No.60768758 >>60768767 >>60768784 >>60768808 >>60769186 >>60769565 >>60769590 >>60769636 >>60769890 >>60770088 >>60770994
LOL remember how smug the software """"engineers"""" were at the peak of the bubble?
Anonymous (ID: F/U3vGzF) No.60768767 >>60769327 >>60770411
>>60768758 (OP)
Fuckkk, she hand mogs me.
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60768769 >>60768780 >>60769195 >>60769659 >>60770916
AI is going to eliminate 80% of coder jobs. And it will only keep getting better.
Anonymous (ID: sfYj74zt) No.60768780 >>60768882 >>60769815
>>60768769
Show me one (1) software engineer fired because of AI
Anonymous (ID: 89e3tiOg) No.60768784 >>60770411
>>60768758 (OP)
>hands
Anonymous (ID: f2Npys6u) No.60768808
>>60768758 (OP)
she could give you a tug job from across the room and you wouldn't even see your dick
Anonymous (ID: QY1jfX/o) No.60768812 >>60768860
Its more like recession but tech companies are too politically correct to say so
Anonymous (ID: /NphwDSb) No.60768825
If one has no background in programming is it worth learning something in AI field? Like what should one focus at that's not going to be obsolete soon
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60768860 >>60768986
>>60768812
big tech earnings are great
Anonymous (ID: t8PrYcai) No.60768880 >>60769140
They're all being outsourced to India so why doesn't she fuck off and get a job there?
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60768882 >>60768888 >>60768979 >>60769245 >>60769553 >>60769558 >>60769584 >>60770046
>>60768780
>Programmers bore the brunt of Microsoft’s layoffs in its home state as AI writes up to 30% of its code

>Over 40% of the people laid off were in software engineering, making it by far the largest category, Bloomberg found based on state filings. Relatively few sales or marketing positions were affected, Bloomberg added.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/15/programmers-bore-the-brunt-of-microsofts-layoffs-in-its-home-state-as-ai-writes-up-to-30-of-its-code/
Anonymous (ID: N4FD6Ud2) No.60768888 >>60768903 >>60769542
>>60768882
They just want to fire plp and blame it on AI to look cutting edge kek.
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60768903 >>60769152 >>60769644
>>60768888
checked

>its not really happeneing
/biz/ is pretty boomer when it comes to tech i guess
Anonymous (ID: DY0E1VmM) No.60768970 >>60768987 >>60769650
I still don't believe AI is really taking these jobs and automating them. If anything it's just the result of the insane over-hiring of unqualified people at retarded salaries in 2002-2021 and the people graduating now are just having to deal with the result of that.

When the AI bubble pops (and it will), all of these companies are going to go through the same over-hiring spree once they realize that only hiring lateral moving senior's and associates means no junior's to train or sustain the company. Hopefully when this happens, the tech field will stop having retarded salaries and hiring fresh grad's to 150k a year and they instead get something more normal like 60 or 70 so we don't have to go through this same thing again.
Anonymous (ID: FuVq6X82) No.60768979 >>60769073 >>60769248 >>60769669
>>60768882
30% of code is mindless boilerplate (getters and setters, interfaces, class declarations, imports, annotations, etc)

Obviously you don’t know this because you never programmed
Anonymous (ID: Jgv5qOYI) No.60768986 >>60769079
>>60768860
>fire people
>use savings to buy up stock
>think this is sustainable
Anonymous (ID: FuVq6X82) No.60768987 >>60769228
>>60768970
Also a side effect of AI is 1) introduces crap slop code into the code base that adds tech debt for the seniors to clean up later and 2) destroys competency of junior devs.

The juniors relying on AI for vibe coding won’t build their skills which will lead to a huge shortage of skilled devs in the future once the seniors start retiring
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60769073 >>60769102 >>60769104 >>60769245
>>60768979
30% now up from 0%. next is 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, etc. and its not just microsoft saying this.

if you were a programmer you would know how powerful these tools are.
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60769079 >>60769094 >>60769220
>>60768986
any day now the type writer repair job will come back! maybe the horse buggy maker too.
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60769085 >>60769679
if AI makes coders 2x faster you only need half as many.
Anonymous (ID: Jgv5qOYI) No.60769094
>>60769079
>post non sequitur
Anonymous (ID: Jgv5qOYI) No.60769102
>>60769073
>what are diminishing returns
the tech is already mostly matured and near maximum usefulness
no company is ever going to trust AI to write all its code. you need developers to hand hold it and check everything
Anonymous (ID: FuVq6X82) No.60769104
>>60769073
Nope. This shit was being done by IDE’s 20 years ago.

You don’t know what you’re talking about bud
Anonymous (ID: HDe84jDc) No.60769140 >>60769622
>>60768880
Honestly, it isn't good programmers that are getting replaced. It's shitty outsourced or visa-import pajeet programmers.
I'd have more trust in code generated by an AI than by shit-covered hands.
Anonymous (ID: N4FD6Ud2) No.60769152
>>60768903
Remember when Elon fired like half of twitter? Was it because of muh AI?
Anonymous (ID: PbfEpPWw) No.60769186 >>60769624
>>60768758 (OP)
codeniggers were arrogant faggots but no one deserves this treatment. we need to start killing """AI""" CEOs and CEOs who outsource to india etc.
Anonymous (ID: e/jMkqA1) No.60769195
>>60768769
Two more weeks
Anonymous (ID: e/jMkqA1) No.60769220 >>60769523
>>60769079
Horse buggy restoration is a thing and costs about as much as you make in a year. There's a typewriter repair shop literally 20 minutes from my house. It's open until 5 today.

Jobs typically don't just disappear. They change. Ironically, the more niche your skill, the more you can generally charge for doing it.
Anonymous (ID: vo2Ktff+) No.60769228
>>60768987

But the shareholders demand infinite growth NOW
Anonymous (ID: zU1IWR8E) No.60769245
>>60769073
>>60768882
What readily available AI powered tool/software/IDE is writing those 30% of code?
Anonymous (ID: 2oQp4btm) No.60769248 >>60769269 >>60769687
>>60768979
> 30% of code is mindless boilerplate (getters and setters, interfaces
OOP was a mistake. 30% (probably more) is not even being productive, it’s just shuffling papers on a desk.

If anything, even more developers need to be fired. I mean just look how many people Facebook hires to work on a single feature that is about the complexity of something that would have been programmed by one man 15-20 years ago. It’s just insane at this point how much money is being wasted throwing warm bodies at a task and how clueless business people think “more programmers = more productivity.” It’s often the opposite.
Anonymous (ID: oFcVRiKj) No.60769266 >>60769320
>itt retards
the software world is literally falling around apart us and people acting like ai is doing a good job lol. you can see the llms work on microsoft's github repos, its 100% waste of time spam garbage taking up the developer's time and they're forced to slog through it all. its sad that tech illiterates are actually buying up the shit they're being sold by advertising firms run by desperate and floundering companies burning money at nuclear rates trying to chase the mythical treasure on this sinking ship . The stock market crash will be biblical when the steam runs out. It's a good thing for me though, I'll just be graduating college and ready to join the field right right when this whole hoax starts collapsing beneath its own weight and there's another hiring frenzy for talented competent humans.
Anonymous (ID: 1K84rKVm) No.60769269
>>60769248
calm down jonathan
Anonymous (ID: 2oQp4btm) No.60769320
>>60769266
On top of everything you just said, I also think it’s just a bad idea overall to advocate for the active erosion of a comprehensive skill set. “Just trust the magic black box” tier shit that sounds like sticking your head in the clouds, wishful thinking totally absent of real world objectivity or common sense. Civilization collapsing attitude.
Anonymous (ID: q8zz90lb) No.60769327
>>60768767
I make funny posts like this all the time and get you ghosted. Here's one for us funny boys
Anonymous (ID: PbfEpPWw) No.60769523
>>60769220
max IQ to think the typewriter repair shop is an actual business that exists to make money?
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769542
>>60768888
this
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769553
>>60768882
Nobody is using AI in Microsoft. They're resorting to **force** people into using it by putting KPI in place.
Anonymous (ID: KXObesMd) No.60769558 >>60769567
>>60768882
>this is fake. i dont believe it. i dont care what CEOs say. this isnt happening. ai cant write any code. no one is using ai.
Anonymous (ID: Oy0OXQIm) No.60769565
>>60768758 (OP)
I remember how literally a year ago /g/ was telling me no coder jobs would be lost.
But what would I expect from a board that knew about btc in 2013 and argued themselves out of being billionaires
Anonymous (ID: PbfEpPWw) No.60769567 >>60769591
>>60769558
a lot of it is pajeet outsourcing (which they hide to pump their AI bags) but the guy you're responding to refuses to understand that it's not like AI totally replaces one end-to-end job. it's more like a team of 5 being reduced to a team of 4 because each one of those 4 remaining workers had their output augmented by 25% by AI.
Anonymous (ID: cOr7r7xU) No.60769584 >>60769615
>>60768882
>Relatively few sales or marketing positions were affected, Bloomberg added.

If you're a bullshit artist who can sell things to people you will Never, ever lack for a job, even at the end of the world there'll be people there to sell people on how it's actually a good thing.
Anonymous (ID: l2Jos+LH) No.60769590 >>60769597 >>60769661 >>60770612
>>60768758 (OP)
I remember how smug they were. They did earn this humbling moment. The issue is AI is coming for all of us, they were just the first. Good news is I have an engineering license and I think that will protect me for a while. Society requires a human to sign off on whether a bridge or building is safe to occupy and politicians need someone to take the fall if it fails. Its job security. The flip side is I make $90k 5 years in.
Anonymous (ID: Oy0OXQIm) No.60769591
>>60769567
Exactly how it started for translators back in the day when machine translation was still shit. It couldn't actually translate anything but it could speed up their job, and the entire industry had a massive collapse in wages because of that. Once supply of workers is larger than demand for workers, the wages of those workers go to shit even if they are still sneeded. There's always someone desperate for a job willing to undercut you
Anonymous (ID: Oy0OXQIm) No.60769597
>>60769590
>humans are just meat shields for AI now
sounds about right
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769615
>>60769584
They did it 2 months later.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/microsofts-largest-layoff-in-years-hits-xbox-gaming-sales-and-other-divisions
Anonymous (ID: ryMaUhyn) No.60769622 >>60769647
>>60769140
It's definitely a bad thing, but I'm not sure either AI or Indians will be doing the majority of coding in the long-run. Tech companies have been on a giant roll for the past 15 years, and most of them have gotten so lazy that they churn out absolute garbage that doesn't work and actively frustrates its users. Once these companies are forced to stand on their intrinsic value instead of being glorified meme-stocks, they'll have to actually care about the quality of their coders.

When the tech/AI bubble bursts, it will probably be an apocalypse in the industry. Hiring will be even worse than it is now. But out from that, you'll see a renewed interest in making functional products, which will benefit the traditional White IQ-moggers who have always held Western tech up.
Anonymous (ID: nUFRH1V3) No.60769624
>>60769186
They could fire 80% of coders and there would still be more software engineers than other variants of engineers
Anonymous (ID: uWEB442P) No.60769636
>>60768758 (OP)
It was a great career for 30 out of the last 40 years. It only got really shitty during the dot.com bust (three years), 2009 crash (six years when EVERYTHING sucked thanks to Obama), and currently (about the last year).
Anonymous (ID: T72J+vgu) No.60769638
The reality of this thread is a bunch of onions code monkeys fearing the obvious and inevitable with their position. Wether or not its Artificial. Intelligence. or Actual. Indians. It is only going to get better with each iteration.

Imagine being so weak and fragile that a computer is risking your livelihood. Pathetic.
Anonymous (ID: 2oQp4btm) No.60769644
>>60768903
Microsoft recently laid off thousands of people and then applied for thousands of H1bs in the same day lol

They’re not even hiding it
Anonymous (ID: PbfEpPWw) No.60769647 >>60769662 >>60769720
>>60769622
i think big niggerlicious tech is at "too big to fail" status. if microshart, jewgle, faceberg etc were at threat of going under they would be bailed out due to national security concerns. think of all the retarded businesses that rely 100% on cloud servers/storage, microshart windows, etc. and the amount of data harvesting the US government does on social media. they're like US auto manufacturers: the quality of their product doesn't matter because they have a captive audience and institutional status that guarantees solvency. so why would they care in the least about the quality of their product?
Anonymous (ID: ryMaUhyn) No.60769650
>>60768970
>I still don't believe AI is really taking these jobs and automating them. If anything it's just the result of the insane over-hiring of unqualified people at retarded salaries in 2002-2021 and the people graduating now are just having to deal with the result of that.
I agree with you on this. Most companies that lay people off are doing so because of corporate restructuring (99% of the time this means financial hardship). The cope is that companies aren't saying they're replacing people with AI over fears of backlash like Duolingo had.

Also another reason for the overhiring is because hiring new employees is an indicator of growth, and tech companies realized they could trick people into investing money into them by hiring more people. These investments, usually from VC, an IPO, or being bought out by a giant company are then used to hire even more people to simulate even more growth, attracting more investors.
Anonymous (ID: uWEB442P) No.60769659 >>60769733
>>60768769
>AI is going to eliminate 80% of coder jobs. And it will only keep getting better.
Laughably bad opinion.

I've posted before about some guy who was "writing" code to do something Bitcoin-related -- IIRC something about having to do a random search to find missing seed words after a piece of paper got partly destroyed. He had ChatGPT "generate the code" to do it, and it churned out some garbage that didn't even call the necessary cryptography libraries. He had to spend most of a day figuring out what was wrong, adding library calls into it, testing and fixing, and so on.

Then there are all the lawyers who are totally gonna be put out of work any second now because ChatGPT can make up fake legal citations as fast as you can type in some prompts. Never mind that it just generates plausible-sounding case names that don't even exist, and never mind that the attorneys who've done this have been getting fined by judges for it (and in one case missed a deadline as a result and lost the case for their client, good luck getting malpractice insurance to pay out on that).
Anonymous (ID: FuVq6X82) No.60769661 >>60770612
>>60769590
Imagine studying Diff Eq, fluid dynamics, all that shit just to make 90k. Big OOF my man.

Meanwhile girlboss in a mini Stacy with a communications degree earns 2x your salary easy just to look pretty and answer emails
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769662
>>60769647
>they would be bailed out due to national security concerns
When the AI bubble bursts they will be no more national security concerns about it. Tech companies will go down in the same way they did in 2001, when the dotcom crash happened.
Anonymous (ID: uWEB442P) No.60769669
>>60768979
You don't need AI to generate a framework, which is what get/set methods are a part of. For that matter, you don't need get/set methods unless you're obnoxiously pedantic and formulaic about writing code.
Anonymous (ID: ryMaUhyn) No.60769679
>>60769085
Not necessarily. There are different levels of work. AI will be good at low level work, but might struggle with more complicated things which require human coders. Stunting the ability of junior devs to learn as they normally would may actually force companies to adopt a churn and burn approach like consulting, accounting, and investment banking have where they hire a lot of people, fire some of the stupid ones, expect a lot to quit on their own, and have the remaining favorites get promoted up the ranks. This would probably coincide with lower salaries or higher hours if this model was adopted.
Anonymous (ID: uWEB442P) No.60769687
>>60769248
>It’s just insane at this point how much money is being wasted throwing warm bodies at a task and how clueless business people think “more programmers = more productivity.” It’s often the opposite.
Full jeet employment, saars! Pradeep refuses to work with Arjun because of shit-picking-up caste, so we need a new assistant for Pradeep to fix all the bugs he writes! Arjun can transition to testing Patel's code for arrays that start at 1 instead of 0 errors because they didn't teach him that shit when he faked his IIT degree!
Anonymous (ID: ryMaUhyn) No.60769720
>>60769647
There probably would be an attempt to prop these companies up if they ever stop struggling. I don't think a company like microsoft or apple would actually go under because they still have a very clear intrinsic value. Even Meta would probably survive. The problem is that these companies are only so alluring because of their perceived growth potential. You can give Ford a billion dollars to restructure its debt and continue manufacturing cars, but you can't pay some zero-revenue social media site a billion dollars to continue being a high-growth unicorn. You would have to throw cash at these companies before the bad headlines start in order to bail them out. The only way I see that getting by unnoticed is if the fed starts quietly QE'ing up tech stocks to prop up their price.
Anonymous (ID: ryMaUhyn) No.60769733
>>60769659
>(and in one case missed a deadline as a result and lost the case for their client
The absolute state. I hope that guy at least got a mistrial.
Anonymous (ID: jovidUJX) No.60769799
The quality of everything is absolute shit. The fact that they’re rolling out “ai” with so many hallucinations and false information is case in point. Video games are no better than 10 years ago and buggier. The reality is the equities market is built on hype narratives to keep it moving along. AI has been helpful of course, but it looks to me like it has reached a plateau on the current math that runs it. And its current state is not that stellar and no where near justifies these valuations
Anonymous (ID: hkN+lV2c) No.60769806 >>60769820
I just got moved over from SRE to AI engineering at my company, right before about 500 people got laid off. I'm working on a project to dynamically generate FISMA compliant environments for claims validity analysis (health insurance) in Azure. The reason my company is doing is because providers are using their own AI to dispute claims, down to shit like $3 for a bandaid, and it's costing the company millions per year. The stuff I'm working on will automatically provide the platforms the company needs to analyze the legitimacy of disputed claims -- using AI.

So, in other words, if you get an owee and go to the ER, AI will look at your claim and try to jew our AI, which in turn will send back a fuck-you to that AI until someone in claims or legal looks at the whole thing. Welcome to the fucking future. At least I'm making money off it.
Anonymous (ID: 5MAB1LvZ) No.60769815
>>60768780
I can show you 10 who will never get hired because I no longer need 10 juniors to do stupid grunt work that is way below my pay grade.
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769820 >>60769866 >>60769868
>>60769806
Unironically, I hope you'll be blasted in heda one day just like that CEO.
Banality of evil. Read it.
Anonymous (ID: pV8WhDJP) No.60769866 >>60769881
>>60769820
Good idea, blame the cog in the system thatll get you far.
Anonymous (ID: hkN+lV2c) No.60769868 >>60769881
>>60769820
>Unironically, I hope you'll be blasted in heda one day just like that CEO.
>Banality of evil. Read it
Sorry Anon, but until the US decides that for-profit healthcare is a huge mistake, my industry is a necessary evil. Insurance companies are like lawyers: they're all bastards until you actually need one.
Anonymous (ID: HU24YqBU) No.60769881
>>60769866
Yes, the cog. The cog is doing evil things, not its manager who gives orders, not the president. The cog. And that's why exactly the cog must be punished with prison time or death.
>>60769868
>necessary evil
Just read the book. Evil is not what we saw in books when we were kids, red satanic and ill-looking. Evil is as banal as drinking water or breathing. And it's people like YOU.
Anonymous (ID: ypdCuCPG) No.60769885
YOU TOLD ME TO LEARN TO CODE, YOU FUCKS
Anonymous (ID: kJ3q5j02) No.60769890
>>60768758 (OP)

I don't understand why tech geeks act surprised when they lose their jobs...

You're in an industry where the entire point is to constantly innovate and upgrade new softwares, including automating as many processes as possible. At least in the industrial fields it takes years, even decades to actually introduce new systems.
Anonymous (ID: rYJivWrH) No.60770046 >>60770090
>>60768882
>programmers not realizing they must form unions or companies will take advantage of them using the machinery of AI
Anonymous (ID: fKQmcb8H) No.60770088
>>60768758 (OP)

This is how it should be. Brown women should be making me burritos. The White Man should be doing the coding.
Anonymous (ID: nUFRH1V3) No.60770090 >>60770115
>>60770046

Modern unions are so greedy and retarded. Its not like the Pinkerton times where you make nothing in unsafe conditions, these code monkeys literally make x4 the median in cushy office environments. Yea let's organize and restrict the labor supply that'll surely work and not lead to everyone sitting on the books 8 months out of the year
Anonymous (ID: rYJivWrH) No.60770115
>>60770090
>these code monkeys literally make x4 the median
they do today, but that changed fast
>cushy office environments
cubicles, right?
The companies now own the means of production. Before the programmers would build and ship to the company in stages. Now the programmers show up with a coding toolbelt and fix the big AI machine that the company owns.
Anonymous (ID: zMUJiFy1) No.60770411
>>60768784
>>60768767
What's the bulge between her hands? That can't be her knee, right? How do her hands hang down to her knees?
Anonymous (ID: l2Jos+LH) No.60770612
>>60769590
Its important that you all know I was never going to make it financially. But at least I can understand reality mathematically. And that's something almost no one else can do.
>>60769661
Pimpin ain't easy my man. I'm going to assume (correctly) that because you are familiar with the coursework you are a fellow engineer™-cuck. All I have to say is I'm sorry, anon. I wish life was fair. It's not your fault.
Anonymous (ID: sg1w66jn) No.60770916
>>60768769
today I made an app clone without knowing jack shit about coding
Anonymous (ID: 2xJ4uYIa) No.60770994
>>60768758 (OP)
God damn, that woman is ugly as hell.