Thread 60771639

All climate models are overly optimistic regarding climate change. Collapse is already happening and it's going to get much worse. How to profit from this?

https://johnnysilverhands.substack.com/p/collapsing-now-gone-in-2030

>inb4 short the SPX
No, it has to be something more nuanced than that

I think the answer is to urgently let as many third worlders as possible into the west, so that they can help out when food scarcity goes parabolic.

>>60771641
how does answer my qjestion? retard

>>60771643
profit by starting an NGO that resettles refugees in the west, anon.

dead internet theory, this guy is literally a CIA bot

>>60771639 (OP)
I don't really know but the fact that there were like 4 times we could see the northern light visible from my home this year was kind of crazy.
Are there any doomsday ETFs?
seems pretty elementary to start creating ETF's for all those preppers and people who think that shit will hit the fan any day now.
you have to ask yourself how will climate change affect who we exploit and extract resources and productivity?
This seems like a logistical issue, so manybe logistics companies?
Perhaps you would want to pull out of insruence stocks, since they'd probably take alot of hits. but maybe those are the types of initial rug pulls you'd want to get in at on bottom floor. Pehaps you should look at how much each sector has to dump into insurence plans.
Perhaps you want to look more at companies that are closer to the poles as opposed to ones that are closer to the equator.
Im just spitballing here though. I don't have anything to really back up these assertions.

>>60771690
ETFs goes against what preppers believe in. they want physical stuff cause they think the economy is fake (which it is) but they've been around for a long time and its always been "2 more weeks"

>>60771690
closest etf to something preppers invest in would be a gold etf maybe, since they like physical gold. but there's not enough of them to move the market in any significant way anyways

>>60771648
im a real person. just wanted you to know we exist still.

>>60771639 (OP)
They have been saying that for 40 years, but i am sure in just 2 more weeks it will really happen
Doubly interesting is that anyone that truly beliefs this should rationally fuck off to their uncle ted cabin deep innawoods, but no rather we see the people spouting this nonsense living the lifestyles in locations the first to be wiped out

Meanwhile billionaires still buying beachfront property lol, butbutbut my rising sea levels

>>60771836
personal homes of billionaires arent a good barometer for investment health

>>60771836
there's a never ending supply of naive teens who will fall for this
for my generation, we were forced to watch al gore's "inconvenient truth" in class (and naturally i believed in it). we were also among the last to be fed the "oil is running dry in 2 more weeks" lie
i'm sure that in addition to things like greta thunberg they have all sorts of mechanisms to groom students into becoming government slaves before adulthood, which is the real purpose of this indoctrination

>>60771639 (OP)
Imagine if people in 1925 were shitting their pants about the problems of today. That's what climate activists are doing. We'll solve the "unsolvable" problem when it "becomes too late" and trust me, it won't be too late. Humanity advances, don't stand in its way faggot

>>60771860
I already forgot about the peak oil fearmongering, funny thing it all just died down
But yes its all a psyop on the naive children of the middle class to fud them out of modernity, and its been insanely successful
If climate was in any kind of emergency neither the crypto nor ai energy demand explosion would be allowed, but its only bad co2 for your ac and car right

>>60771922
I read an interview with a hippy boomer who said he had completely bought into the "overpopulation" psyop in the 70s/80s and chosen not to have kids, for ethical reasons, when he always loved kids and had deeply wanted a family.
Climate retards are just doing the same thing now. I literally saw a guy say "With genocide in Palestine I don't see how I could have kids [in Australia]"
Like what sort of fuckwitted evolutionary dead end thinks that you have to wait for world peace in order to procreate. Absolute gigaretards.

>>60771723
Thats even worse because you have the designated bot opinions

>>60771639 (OP)
Op is a fag and retarded.
You don't need to be genius for understand that global warming before, and now climate change are just stupid excuses for push idiots to buy new useless shit that you need to change every 3/4 years instead of once in your lifetime.
If you believe in those bullshit you should not post here because it mean that you don't understand a goddamns fuck about economy.
And btw IPCC "scientists" ar just leechers that take government money to create graphs that the governments want, they never tried to find the cause, because there's more things than "muh CO2" that influence the climate of our planet

>>60771639 (OP)
>How to profit from this?
Move north if you believe your own retarded hyperbole. But you won't, because you don't.

>>60771639 (OP)
>substack blog being posted in OP ironically
>obscure, only tangentially related stats on climate change based on psuedo-science

>>60771971
based take. Its just another scam-bubble that exploits dumb fuck voters in the west, and lazy feckless gov officials trying to placate the npcs. Environmental conservation is 100000x more important than climate change hysteria and gets largely ignored these days, which is by design.

>>60771639 (OP)
Climate change isn't real in the way its being sold
Physically impossible for co2 to be the mega insulator they're claiming
Civilization is being demolished and we're trashing once clean and well upkept areas at an alarming pace. We promote highly advanced technology that will be obsoleted and thrown away, impossible to be recycled by the same >people that are crying the loudest about sustainability. Its all about power and control, not anything to do with the environment

i agree with everyone in this thread. modern life is eternal and unchangeable. the preceding 250,000 years of modern man's existence were a fluke. we are always going to have cheap, bountiful sources of energy that in no way negatively impact our environment. energy is functionally unlimited. the grid is eternal. global warming does not exist.

>>60771639 (OP)
When the fuck is this climate change supposed to happen, we had like one week where it was sunny and hot in Sweden.

>How to profit from this?
we already are profiting here on /biz/, the people that have been here for 10 years are early discoverers of the new economic meta where "real growth" slows to a crawl, and the financial system starts punishing real workers and rewards NEETs for speculating with old student loan money

>>60772231
>npc possessing a mix of half-truths, misinformation and disinformation projects his gullibility onto other 4channers
>does so without @ing anyone in a cowardly manner because he's too much of a retard to address any 1 point directly without embarrassing himself even more
wow never seen that before. What a unique post anon, you're soo special and unique.

>>60772317
the best part about what i am saying is that it is unavoidable. nothing you can do will stop it. nothing that technology can do will stop it. the last 100 years of technological modernity are an absurd fluke, we will return to a state consistent with the previous millions (billions) of years of our planet's existence.

>>60772279
Pole flip is the real underlying cause, and why
>>60771690 mentioned the northern lights migrating away from the poles
Its been happening slowly, and then it'll basically be all at once. As the earth reorients, expect lots of stuff to be weird, but not necessarily dangerous (but don't go out too long while the ionosphere is weakened). The real hazard are going to be all of the strategically placed 3rd worlders that will incite and join in panics and riots. This will happen sometime before 2050

>>60772317
>>60772357
in effect you're no different from the progressives (trannies, liberals, etc.) you mock. you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of a return to tradition because you are inextricably entrenched in the comforts of modernity. you're as soft as the "citycucks" you mock. you're as lazy as the "urbanists" you deride.
>NOOOOOO I ONLY WANT THE SOCIAL ASPECTS OF CONSERVATISM AND THE RETURN TO TRADITION, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY F150 AND MY HEATED BUSSY WARMER AND MY AIR CONDITIONED 4K VR GOONPOD NOOO!!!! IT CAN'T BE GOING AWAY -- I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT!!!! NOOOO!!!!!!

>>60772231
Hard to be this retarded even on purpose, nobody said line cant gongo down, they questioned the in just 2 more weeks part and the specific narrative given in msm
We now have a track record of 50 years of generated panic over non issues and all signs point to this being a non issue too in any relevant time scale to people reading this
As pointed out if co2 driven climate change and or peak oil were real right now, there would be no way ai and crypto would be legally accepted
And there would be no way immigration would be allowed
For remember in both doom narratives allowing an immigrant from a low energy country to a high energy country is the single largest sin you dan commit to make the situation worse
But lo and behold all the green parties and narratives are all super pro immigration
You are an npc who can only digest proof of authority, we are autists that can see when we are being scammed again

>>60772231
>energy is functionally unlimited.
Literally true.
>global warming does not exist.
Even if it does, you can't restrict demand for energy, you can only increase supply.

>>60772380
>As pointed out if co2 driven climate change and or peak oil were real right now, there would be no way ai and crypto would be legally accepted
watching niggerbrains attempt to reason is hilarious.
>if over hunting buffalo could drive them to near extinction, it would have been illegal.
>if over harvesting helium could exhaust its supply, buying party balloons would be illegal.
>if sucking the water table dry in desert states were possibility, companies wouldn't be able to build AI data centers there.

>>60772390
>you can't restrict demand for energy
why not?

>>60772401
As the other anon pointed out when you attempt to argue a point you are only making an even greater fool of yourself
Hunting bison to extinction wasnt even remotely a civilization ending problem
Quite the opposite extincting bison was government approved as it was used as a tool to solve the native question, but i dont expect a midwit like you to know this

Helium supply isnt a problem its a byproduct of oil afteral, its just the dirt cheap applications like partyballons that are now repriced to its proper value, almost as if a hidden hand in the market balances things
Water supply is a problem in the colorado basin, whoever this is a local farming issue not civ ending and data centers arent impacted
Once again the freemarket is redirected limited resources to the most profitable sector, farming can be done almost anywhere else and there is no underproduction anywhere in the developed world

But your biggest intellectual sin is that none of these are climate change or peak oil, especially the bison example has no business in this discussion
So like that other anon said you are using your midwit understanding if half truths, dis and misinformation to throw many wildly different concepts to the wall, hoping one sticks because the other party doesnt have good knowledge about them
And that right there is where you fucked up kiddo, because you came to the place autists hang out who discuss with knowledge and not cheap rhetorical tricks

>>60772449
>hidden hand in the market balances things
the market prices things to the extent that it is knowledgeable about the future. the market isn't all-knowing, it's an extension of the human mind (which is why economics is a fake jewish pseudoscience that lacks rigor or meaning.)

>>60772439
Because of this graph. Economic suicide is tantamount to national suicide. National suicide is not a viable path.

>>60772439
Because energy demand is the reason the population is alive right now, and killing the people to save the people isnt a solution to anything
Without energy demand there either isnt the physical production to feed, cloth and shelter you or you couldn't afford it
All food is condensed oil and its delivered to your plate in a high density urban environment because of economies of scale
Funny thing about those is that if you pull back the scale the resulting loss of cost savings will collapse the whole thing on affordability issues

How do you not know the basics and yet argue about this topic with such misplaced arrogance

>>60772456
You could have said you are an unrepenting retard in your first post so we could ignore everything you said after
The study of something being corrupted by the usual suspects doesnt make the thing it studies not exist nor not exert its influence

>>60772468
>>60772470
do you think "the market" can just will energy into existence? if this is the case, why is the cost of electricity, despite all of our technological innovation, increasing in excess of inflation?

>>60772494
Where did i ever say that or anyone else
I am not denying the theoretical concept of resource depletion being possible
We itt are saying the fearmongering over the imminent nature of a depletion event and the public narrative surrounding it are both wrong
I mean this isnt a hypothetical, the peak oil doommongering had already died it's natural narrative death, there is no arguing this it happened
Now you have to be afraid of new thing, and from the looks of it thats going to be population decline they are already ramping up the content farms hard

Also notice how you dont address the myriad topics anymore on which your poor grasp has been pointed out

The banks already beat you, lending and portfolio models built around modeling profits in different climate change models already exist. S&P has an entire data set based around their projections for company profits at +0.5c global temperature rise, +1.0c global temperature rise, ect. It makes sense, think about the turmoil in the futures markets if climate change destroys crop yields or if real estate markets go belly up due to escalating natural disasters. Unfortunately I believe due to how capitalism functions it will only become profitable to model climate change scenarios once they start negatively impacting markets in a large way.

>>60772401
the data centers dont consume water and never give it back you know, they USE it for cooling, and then dump it back in the sewage lines/evaporate it. Its not like data centers are magical black holes for water its called thermodynamics.

>>60772449
damn anon i gotta spend more time on /biz/, big brains are here outside of the crypto-scam threads. NP.

>>60772641
the only way those ETFs would make money is if the crypto-kikes running them lobby various agencies to fudge the numbers/fuck up local environments on purpose to false flag their data-predictions into 'reality'. Which is entirely possible and has happened before, so it might be worth watching for.

>>60772737
It’s not ETF’s, S&P sell data sets used to build models for lending and investing, future landscape modeling is a future trillion dollar business but stay poor and retarded if you wish

op here. I'm not asking if climate change is real or not, or whatever your retarded opinion on the matter is. I'm just asking how to make money off it

>>60772737
I was already generously assuming that anon was referring to the water usage from the electrical power plants that supply the data centers as indeed direct water usage is minimal
Plus of course the other retardation that powerplants generally dont use pumped ground water, but if i had to do a complete point by point explanation of why he was retarded I'd be here a while

>>60772357
>the last 100 years of technological modernity are an absurd fluke
this. a civilizational blow-off top, so to speak.

>>60771641
>so that they can help out when food scarcity goes parabolic.
Good idea, but doesn't cannibalism lead to other issues?

>>60772737
>the data centers dont consume water and never give it back you know, they USE it for cooling, and then dump it back in the sewage lines/evaporate it. Its not like data centers are magical black holes for water its called thermodynamics.

if you consume water from the water table at a rate faster than it is replenished by the natural water cycle (evaporation/rain/re-absorption into the water table) then you RUN OUT of water. these AI data centers aren't running closed loop systems, they use evaporative cooling because it's much cheaper than running closed loop heat exchangers. they are at risk of sucking water away from the water table faster than it can be replenished.

>>60772773
buy chainlink
/thread/

>>60771639 (OP)
calculate a range of the rise in expected sea levels in a few decades, and then buy some undeveloped properties at various points in the range that could possibly be beachfront.

>>60772984
no they dont you idiot
data centers dont use evaporative cooling, google images of data centers and point me to the rather noticeable giant cloud factory cooling tower
the data centers themselves dont consume water in any way
as mentioned you are thinking of power plants and neither work on sucking water from the water table but from surface water

>>60773391
most data centers absolutely use evaporative cooling. think pic related, not massive nuclear cooling towers. this board truly is retarded beyond all redemption.