Thread 60799822

IS THE AMERICAN ECONOMY REALLY THIS FAKE?!

>region of a first world country has a higher gdp per capita compared to a region in a shitty third world country
crazy

>>60799822 (OP)
Yes, next question.

Yes. America is smoke and mirrors. Like 80% of this country is third world tier already. Our economy is mostly grifters and conmen. Our cities are pathetic and gross. It's a sad time to be American.

>>60799822 (OP)

>IS THE AMERICAN ECONOMY REALLY THIS FAKE?!

Yep, has been for quite awhile.

>>60799822 (OP)
almost every state in america has a higher GDP per capita than canada and the EU also

>>60799822 (OP)
Most people live like rats in cages in China

>>60799829
>America is smoke and mirrors. Like 80% of this country is third world tier alread
What are the 3rd world signs for you?

>>60799829
>Our cities are pathetic and gross.
That's not as bad as it sounds because the people love it. It's culture, spice, life. They would riot if you took out the gross shit.
So in a way it's worse than it sounds, but not financially so.

>>60799825
literally the exact opposite of what op pic is saying

>>60799822 (OP)
I live in Taiwan, I visited China many times and here's a random picture from the internet of what 90% of this city looks like. It's the same for every other city. It's the Chinese way, make the hypercentre look cool and post a lot of propaganda about it, but IRL 99% of the population lives in comi blocks from 50years ago. It's the same in Taipei bwt but it's fachist blocks

>>60799915
NTA but demographics, death of upwards mobility, crumbling roads, life expectancy down, births down, social trust in freefall, corruption from elites getting more and more brazen off the top of my head.

Tl;Dr this place just looks like shit

>>60799822 (OP)
China themselves literally devalues their currency. No shit.

>>60799841
Raytheon sadly is very real

>>60799822 (OP)
that makes a lot of sense
banks charging fees is not a real economy lol
fuck america

>>60799991
i lived in Taiwan for 5 years, and the inside of every apartment I went in was really nice. for some reason they don't care if the outside of the building looks like shit. also the crime rate in Taipei is basically the same as Tokyo.

>>60800267
>i'll fight the photo of exteriors with lies about interiors!

>>60799822 (OP)
>>60799829
If you want real "smoke and mirrors", you need to take a closer look at China's and Russia's economies.

China:
* 2022 leak of Shanghai police database proved China's population is nearly 30% smaller than claimed
* local governments get most of their revenue by leasing land to developers to build ghost cities
* massive construction projects all over the country that fall apart before even being used

Russia:
* most economic statistics have been "classified" due the ongoing "special military operation"
* businesses are shutting down faster than they are opening
* banks are reported to be denying over 80% of loan applications now

Both countries are in deep shit. Also, because China is in deep shit, the entire global economy is in deep shit.

Expect a global depression and another "world war" era, possibly going nuclear.

Anyway, have fun, zoomies.

>>60799991
>It's the same in Taipei bwt but it's fachist blocks
LOL. First time I've ever seen a Taiwanren admit that.

t. former expat who was stuck in Taiwan for 10+ years

P.S. -- I hope your kidneys are holding up. Get out before they're destroyed by the food adulteration shit that they pull over there.

>>60799822 (OP)
I dont care, I want to live on the ocean as a fisherman.

As european i can confirm that the public infrastructure in american cities looks really run down. Like eastern europe tier, but at least eastern europe isn’t full of violent homeless.

>>60799822 (OP)
>They have concrete towers with lights!
>They must be rich!
What is this, 1920s?

>>60799825
So this is the power of american education.
Do americans really?

>>60799991
Can sorta confirm.

>been to western China
>Russia
>some states of US
>Most of EU

I would say the best place to live is somewhere in balkans (post-Yugoslavia). No niggers, prices are 5-10x cheaper than US. There is crime and corruption on some level but is manageable. Low taxes (practically 0).

US on the other hand is still stuck in 80s-90s-00s, insanely expensive just to rent in the city, lots of niggers, spics, chinks, indians and braindead women.

I will escape this hellhole as soon as I can.

>>60799822 (OP)
But Chinese banks sit on mountains of corporate paper which makes up their GDP too?

>>60800308
east eu like poland, lithuania, even belarus is nothing like US, at this pace it is luxury to live there if you ever been to US (shitskins, garbage food, dirty water etc).

>>60800359
>Low taxes (practically 0)

That just means that everything public is shit. Kek you americans never care about anything public, when that is the exact thing that makes nations with highest living standards, like Denmark or Netherlands.

>>60800394
nobody is racing to move to denmark or netherlands. they have highest living standards according to some arbitrary metric that apparently no human cares about

>>60799829

Yup. The American economy is a big a pile of bullshit as the Chinese economy. The major US industries are extractive in nature, that is they don't produce any goods or services of tangible value, but simply take assets from one sector of the economy to another.

>>60799991
>I live in Taiwan,
hows that taiwanese pussy heard they love white guys

GDP = LEDs

why are normies so impressed and enthralled by lights on the sides of buildings

>>60799991
>I live in Taiwan and China is bad
Brave and hecking powerful...
To actually see what the city look like all you need to do is go to map.baidu.com and search 重庆. And w'allah you don't need to listen to insane propaganda anymore, street view is right there. Looks like a nice city to me but you can check for yourself

>>60799856
you are bragging about how good the fake numbers are. JFC retard

Ever heard of AI?
The new technology that has already created trillions in value and will produce 10s of trillions in the future?
The reality is the US is at the cutting edge of every new technology.
Only a small percent of the US population needs to produce new value, but they are so productive that it makes the US richer than other country on the planet.
But yeah getting rid of blacks and Jews would make US cities liveable. 90% of base problems (violence) is caused by blacks and other races aping them 90% of the financial scams are because of Jews.

>>60799822 (OP)
B-but led strips and neon lights!! (Edits out the layer of smog so thick you can feel it)

>>60799822 (OP)
yes?
It's all fake money and because of fake money everything costs 10 times more than in elsewere.
American are poor but they have bigger numbers on theyr money.

>>60800686
>Ever heard of AI?
Yeah I'm using Qwen every day

>>60800686
it has almost no value. just a bubble

>>60800579
>Trust our chineese psyware bro

>>60800269
They all have air-conditioning.

>>60799822 (OP)
Advanced Manufacturing. Hardworking and well-trained Mississippians are the backbone of the state's advanced manufacturing industry.
Aerospace and Defense.
Agriculture, Food and Beverage.
Automotive.
Distribution and Logistics.
Forestry and Chemicals.

>>60800885
>duuude the street view is all CGI
huh

>>60799822 (OP)
Retards don’t understand what gdp is I guess. But here’s a hint a bank charging a poorfag an overdraft fee is absolutely a service that can be used in gdp. The alternative for the poorfag would be a rejected transaction.

>>60800686
>trillions of value
Most of that value was the mecha hitler grok post right?

>>60800579
Retard read the full post I was also critical of Taiwan infrastructure + most muts can't use a Chinese website

>>60799991
/thread

>>60799822 (OP)
Onlyfans economy.

>>60799822 (OP)
No, it's something retards say because they don't understand the economy
China does the same shit too

>>60800773
>yassss slayyy Qwen!!!

>>60800286
>something happening, sometime, 2 weeks something

>>60800104
>demographics, death of upwards mobility, crumbling roads, life expectancy down, births down, social trust in freefall, corruption from elites
These are all very much first world qualities. As in all of above is also happening in the UK, Canada, Australia, most of Europe, etc.

>>60799822 (OP)
It's not fake. GDP simply isn't the end all be all of measuring economic progress, which has a lot of subjective parts. Context matters, what the money is being used on matters. One can say we're not using that money wisely.

>>60799991
This actually looks pretty comfy to me. Euros and Americans see housing like this and subconsciously expect the entry and hallway to be filled with niggers/muslims/gypsies, but you have to remember that that isn't the case here. I bet living in a block like this isn't bad at all.

>t. Eurofag

>>60799822 (OP)
All the chink cities and infrastructure is relatively new (past 25 years), European and American cities predate the automobile and the infrastructures and grids are old. We have glowing buildings too, go to Vegas or Times square. Tokyo was old buildings and infrastructure as well, but having your cities carpet bombed and nuked allows you to rebuild to modern specs. I guess what I am saying is
>we need to nuke unique New York

>>60800286
>that mentally ill retard who posts dumb psychotic shit and always attaches a grotesque troonpic from his goonfolder
take your meds or the judge is going to order a long acting antipsychotic injection.

>>60800286
>ohhh, ya check this whataboutism
america's economy is pretty fucked up. the GDP is fake and rigged, this is true

>>60799856
And how does this benefit you personally?

>>60799822 (OP)
It doesn't matter if the economy is fake because the currency is fake. A fiat currency creates a fiat economy. What matters is that you can still get rich despite the fate that the wealth is fake. Also China's currency is even more fake the the dollar.

>>60800286
I wish I could be this delusional. Both the Russian and Chinese economy are much healthier than whatever trump is shitting out.

>>60799825
America is a third world country with a gucci belt though, y'all niggers live paycheck to paycheck

>>60799822 (OP)
Sometimes I forget there's newfags who haven't realized how fake and gay Western fiat and everything around it is yet.

>>60799822 (OP)
Image on the right is fake.

>>60801225
This data table is incomplete. This likely means you don't understand what you posted and certainly means that others will, at best, only get the gist of it.

>>60799829
Wow so true my fellow American

>>60799822 (OP)
>Buildings with colored LEDs on them = wealth, thriving economy

>>60801486
Yes

This Irish commie guy is great btw

And one of his best posts, where he shows how insane Trump's tariff guy is. This tariff guy thinks state-owned enterprises shouldn't be allowed, along with getting rid of the EU's food safety regulations so we can export them meat.

>>60801675
The quotes he's referring to btw.

>>60800286
> Expect a global depression and another "world war" era, possibly going nuclear.

Zoom zooms soon to go boom boom

>>60799822 (OP)
americans just cannot understand how much richer they are than the rest of the world and have to go to elaborate copes to justify their desire for victim status
just look at median pays in various sectors, the burger flipper making as much as an engineer isnt a joke

>>60800394
and yet everyone that can escapes because the country isnt livable for the younger anymore
every european country will die at the altar of boomer pensions

>>60801225
Boomers lived in time period where wealth gap was the smallest

Isn't it great that all our elites in the 90's thought off-shoring all our manufacturing to China to crush local labor would also make the Chinese stop being commies and become a liberal democracy?

And now 20 years later China is still commies and rapidly becoming the world power?

>>60801377
Sounds like a lot of cope.
The data is the data, there is an enormous wealth disparity in America between the top and the bottom and your GDP doesn't put food on the table.

>>60801675
>>60801681
>bugs mad about tarrifs
I now support tarrifs.

You have to realize on Trump's tariffs, is that Trump fundamentally thinks if you pay for something, the person who is doing the paying is getting ripped off, and you should do everything in your power to get out of paying for something.

>>60801700
Taxation has slowly but surely eaten away at the wealth of the working and middle classes leaving them at barely subsistence levels of existence. We are moving closer and closer to a state of serfdom with very little in the way of hope in sight.
If Wallstreet and corporate profiteering isn't put into check then there are very bad times ahead.

>>60801675
what are peter retardo's thoughts on muttistan buying a stake in intel?

>>60801742
us corporate taxes are among the lowest in the world and 40-50% of american tax filers pay $0 in federal income tax. you are a dumb nigger.

>>60799822 (OP)

>Sean McCarthy

Dude is an actual race traitor.

>>60801756
That is the problem, moron. The middle class pays for everything.

>>60799822 (OP)
It's propoganda.

American pragmatism vs Chinese saving face.

America doesn't need to advertise itself as an economic superpower because it's self evident, the Chinese always have to display themselves with shiny lights and obscure things to obscure the fact that they are an inferior civilization.

Ask yourself this, why do so many Chinese citizens desperately want to move to America? Do you know any American desperately wanting to move to China?

>boobies

>>60801756
You are a genuine retard.

>>60801779
middle class americans get massive tax breaks. they pay effectively nothing.

>>60801675
The easiest way to avoid a trade deficit is to stop all trade with america to make it neutral.
The way america is headed currently a lot of economies will opt for this in the next ten years assuming they don't pull the plug on the ridiculous tariffs by then (talking specifically about the ones with super high tariffs because the "deficit" is high because they literally only sell resources and cant afford to buy anything from america).

>>60801191
I'm the anon, and yeah honestly it's not bad but I just wanted to address the "we leave in the future" thing. I'm also European but man I'll never go back, even comies/fachist blocks are really comfy compared to Europe 500yo streets full of negroes

>>60799822 (OP)
The answer to pic is: You can pay a chink like 10k a year and there are a billion of them.

>>60799991
ill be honest and this is probably just a weird dystopian basedface shit im feeling but this looks comfy living

>>60800286
1990 millenials and younger have been in an economic depression their entire adult lives.

>>60799825
I'm willing to bet good money that you don't even know what "third world" meant initially
100% you can't answer it without going to AI for the answer
lol

>>60800286
despite the mutts seething in the thread, this post is also correct
I will also add another stat to the list
India lies about its population, it mostly dies at birth and at adulthood because of their air and water quality being below acceptable
they most likely have less than 1b people alive living in their shithole

only one thing wrong with this post
>Expect a global depression and another "world war" era, possibly going nuclear.
delusion, war needs motivation and optimism to materialize, otherwise it's bushfire

>#1 producer of oil
>#1 producer of natural gas
>#2 manufacturer
>#1 leader in tech
>none of this counts because a city doesn't have enough blue lights at night
Face cultures are bizarre. Having a bunch of shiny lights that look cool doesn't actually make you rich.

Man, China sucks.
It's so gay and backwards and we can all tell and we're ALL talking about it all the time lmao.

>>60801777
when did the Pajeet intelligence community get-in on honey-traps?

>>60799856
the US has more real production than the EU.

>>60800286
>Both countries are in deep shit.
lies and stupidity, like your pic

>>60803475
you can't compare productivity using dollar figures as a proxy. that is the primary way they fool idiots into thinking these things.

It's a fact that Chinese factories produce like half of the finished goods in the world. They have enormous ports with hundreds of boats shipping out every day to deliver these goods. That's in addition to all of the goods they produce and use domestically. Claiming China isn't the world's largest economy is more or less an idiot test.

The United States used to be a major goods producer but has spent 30-40 years gutting that completely. Now all it produces at a globally-competitive level is agriculture, oil/gas, and aerospace.

the attempt to use these flawed GDP figures to take down Russia in 2022 is all the evidence you need. Russia's economy turned out to be much larger and stronger than expected. Few know that Russia is a major agriculture producer, has a car/truck industry, has an aerospace industry, etc etc.

In the US the amount of real production in factories is actually far less than you think. Huge numbers of "domestic suppliers" shifted to chinese sourcing in the last 20 years.

How many people do you know who work in a factory of any kind? That's all you need to know about production levels in your country.

>>60800286
if everyones going into deep debt and loans are defaulting etc, whats the best thing to invest in to profit off of that? banks? insurance corporations? when everything is a bubble its hard to know where to put your money outside of just into precious metals.

For the US example, consider a typical story of a a small city on the west coast. In the 1980's it had a bustling local industry based on logging, fishing, and light industry. They would harvest sustainable volumes of local timber for use and sale, but also numerous wood products peripheral, including pulp. This was used to make paper, etc. In the fisheries they did a large business in crabs and salmon and other common pacific fish. These were sold fresh locally or to the nearest metro area, and also canned and used in products sent to other areas for sale. The presence of the fishing industry supported a number of boating-related businesses as well as tool suppliers for fishing. The logging industry and similar support businesses. Further there were a number of light manufacturing facilities in the region, some of which benefitted from the cheap and easy access to raw materials from the forest industry. Examples include soil and fertilizer businesses, flower/nursery production, local agriculture, etc.

Today, if you visit such a city you will find that the economy is entirely in the health care and social services fields. Old people getting operations and services mostly funded by federal money as well as food banks, mental health, counseling, "transitional housing," social support, domestic violence support, drug rehab, and tons of other "programs" almost all ultimately funded by the government as well. That's the real economy there now.

According to GDP, the difference is not significant. According to your two fucking eyes and a triple-digit IQ it is.

>>60803754
>>60803782
>only manufacturing counts as economic output
extremely low iq post

>>60803810
when the rubber hits the road yes that's basically the main thing. Electricity consumption is an excellent proxy for comparing economies, more useful than GDP or whatever jewish nonsense you like to use. Take a look at not just total volumes but also trends. That alone should illustrate just how much of a decline the US is in, nevermind Europe (over).

>>60803823
>anything other than manufacturing is jewish nonsense
do you really expect me to take you seriously?

>>60803830
If you are under the impression that charging a fee to move money around is "productive" you are a fool. The same generally applies to most services. What good is an architect if there are no materials to build with? These are "secondary" economic units and they're not nothing but they're not as important as primary ones. The theory that you can export the primary production to other countries and sell hour secondary to those countries only works if you more or less control those other countries. Once that model falls apart - as has happened in the last few years - you are forced to either return primary production to your territory or to whither and die. Secondary services are moveable and replaceable - other countries can just architect their own buildings or move their money around themselves.

Real economy is entirely based upon resources and turning them into goods.

>>60803782
the economy of scale destroyed that city anon. Trade deals and global trade in general undermined its economy, turd worlders mass-producing products and throwing them on cargo ships replaced what your workforce in that town did. And whats left? dystopia.

The root of the problem is forever our fiat debt-currency and the most evil organisation on earth, the CentraI banking carteI and their owners, the elite super-kikes, kikes soo powerful you never even see them covered in the news like Soros does.

>>60803880
So just to be clear, are you saying that anything that isn't manufacturing is just "charging a fee to move money around"?

>>60803882
>economy of scale
no, that was the lie they told you in order to accept it. Americans were told that their "labor was too expensive." This isn't true, nor is it relevant. The main way the industries in my example - and any replacements for them - were shut down was REGULATORY. Law at the federal and state level was used to push those businesses out because the intention was to have that type of production done overseas. This was a policy CHOICE, not an economic necessity. It failed and was stupid to begin with, but most people are only beginning to notice that now that they see how rich China is.

>>60803898
That's more or less a standard view. Manufacturing includes food production by the way, something most people don't realize. Resource extraction and converting them into goods that people use to improve their lives is the real economy. Specialized services that exist SERVE those industries. They do not exist without them.

In the US, we didn't replace manufacturing with services. We simply relocated the manufacturing. It still exists - just as many fish are caught, trees are cut down, and widgets are fashioned out of metal, it's just done by someone else who reaps the rewards instead of us.

>>60803908
there is no fucking organization on the planet that lumps everything like that into "manufacturing"

>>60803921
You are not as knowledgeable on this topic as you seem to believe.

>>60799822 (OP)
Everything runs on cunny juice, op

Why do you think Trump did a violent 180° with the Epstein file

>>60800336
>>60801279
thirdies seething

>>60799915
prevalence of dollar stores, child mortality rates, home ownership rates, civic engagement, etc

everywhere is getting worse, more or less and no one can fix it because they are saddled with imaginary debt caused by usury, private market scams, and a government that encourages suppressing wages and using college-debt-required wage slavery and military service as the only paths to " the middle class" (which is now lower class)

>>60803956
Even shitty and declined America is ahead of the majority of the world and far above third-world standard. The United States is lucky to live on basically the best geography of any country in the world. It will have to try very hard to suck as bad as the third-world.

>>60799822 (OP)
>per capita
Found the problem. Do you not realize how many "people" live in China? >>60801191
>I want to be like a sardine
Terminal euretardation

>>60799991
>takes a photo of a poor urban area

>>60801667
we see this in this very thread

>>60801191
You got a loicense for posting an opinion like that?

>>60799841
It’s totally le hecking based to knit ten thousand sweaters rather than just designing a Ralph Lauren logo in photoshop. Clearly these shithole countries are totally superior to us.

>>60801777
incredibly based

>>60799822 (OP)
Chongqing municipality includes much more than just the city of Chongqing. It also includes a ton of rural and semi-urban areas. It is about 2/3 the area of the whole state of Mississippi

>>60799841
>Fake economy is dominating both "real" economy to a point where both real economies beg the fake economy to not sanction or tariff them
LMAO

100,000,000 trees are cut down every year to make junk mail

>>60799822 (OP)
GDP does not measure how the money is spent after it changes hands. America has a habit of making soulless monoliths like that concrete box because spending more on aesthetics and soul-enrichment doesn't have a monetary value that can be tracked by autistic actuaries, MBA's, or algorithms. So the the most efficient materials for the least cost are used. All those LED's are a soulless corpos nightmare - money that could've been funneled into a different value extraction venture that reduces people to a employee ID.
Also those lights are probably inexpensive as a percentage of the GDP being generated. The US could do it. But they won't. Something something Dodge v. Ford

>>60799822 (OP)
>LED lighting means you are wealthy

Lol.

>>60806239
2000s wisdom: Blue LED make you 1337.