Thread 60800808

Is there a worse career than being a teacher?

>endless work (grading, making lesson plans, getting your classroom ready, standing and talking all day)
>expected to work off the clock with no overtime
>always have a few students who are absolutey a pain in the ass every year
>not respected in any way shape or form by students or other professions
>have to get a master's degree to even make a decent income which pales in comparison to other majors like computer science or engineering

>>60800808 (OP)
Teachers in public school have it pretty bad. A lot of them hardly put in the effort anymore. I have some friends who are substitutes and it’s worse than probably what most people realize. Private schools are probably the way to go if someone wants to be a teacher. They have zero tolerances for shit behavior

>>60800808 (OP)
I do it because I like kids

>>60800808 (OP)
It’s not awful mate. You could always do construction work or start an OF.

On a more serious note, as a reasonably intelligent male teacher, I work about 37 weeks per year. I start at about 8:30am, finish at about 4:00pm. I have a ‘planning period’ every day so as well as lunch, I have that extra 50 minutes of break.

Low IQ teachers are the ones who parrot a lot of the talking points that you brought up, and fit into those categories of overworking because they are slow and don’t plan class work that is manageable to review.

I have been teaching in schools and universities for 18 years and I absolutely loathe teachers. They’re so stupid it is painful to be around them. Emotionally unstable, poor decision makers, bad at planning… and holy shit look at their own biological children. Almost always absolute failures.

But yeah, I don’t work for about 15 weeks per year and I get to talk to high school kids about finance all day (literally a finance teacher).

>>60800808 (OP)
>guaranteed salary, there will always be demand
>have a few months off every summer

>>60800808 (OP)
It's bad especially since wages haven't kept up with prices. Personally i dont feel bad for them. They choose this path and should just learn to code.

>>60800849
What's your country?
Also, finance teacher is cool for the students and easy to teach since it's not a 9 years course lol
try to teach literature or maths

>>60800825
And you can't even admit it at work, you'll be fired if you do. Living a lie

>>60800808 (OP)
Great place to pick up some easy trim tho

>>60800808 (OP)

Did TESOL teaching for 9 years in Hong Kong. First 2 companies kinda sucked, but the last one was great and I genuinely enjoyed the work most days, to the point that I would get bored on weekends and actually look forward to the work week because it was so chill. Stayed with the company 5 years. Pay wasn't great, but teaching classes with max 4 kids in the room is peak comfy. I eventually had to leave to the UK for family reasons, but was legit almost in tears leaving since that company had become a second home to me, great relationship with co workers, knew my manager had my back, no office politics bullshit, got to know the owner personally, and he did me the favour of red-pilling me on finance, and 5 years after I'm now free from 9-5 completely. Only job I had ever enjoyed. I despise corpa, but that place was a real exception.

The whole '20 kids in a class' thing is so fucking stupid. I came to the UK, tried doing some teaching assistant substitute work to scope out the local schools, and holy hell it was god damn horrifying. Some schools were ok, but most were awful to the point many students were obviously learning nothing day to day. And seeing how the full time teachers work schedules were filled with so much meaningless exhausting bullshit filled me me with disgust. I tried private TESOL schools, which were enjoyable even with larger classes (and you had control over teaching methodology) but the pay was unforgivable. One offered a contract that promised a minimum of like £500 a month, but also demanded you couldn't do other work. Basically a legalised death sentence the way it was written, everyone who was there just ignored it, and so did the manager (who made sure everyone kept proper full time hours).

Teaching in UK was so bad I gave up a 12 year career and learned to code for 2 years, but my investments boomed up while studying and now I'm at least free from the slave markets forevermore.

>>60800808 (OP)
You work only part of the year so you don’t make as much. The work is easy as fuck and not stressful at all. Standing up and talking in front of retarded kids isn’t hard.

You know what’s hard? Have 5 auditors up your ass each one wanting pages of information and it’s due in 30 days. On top of that you’ve got 4 roastie boss girls up your ass about this that or the other. That shit is stressful.

>>60800808 (OP)
>take children hostage for globalist mutilating oppressors
they all deserve rope

>>60801076
You can homeschool your kids retard. Oh wait what’s that? You don’t have any and never will? Thank god.

>>60800808 (OP)
>work 75% of the year
>act like they are the only ones to work late at a salary job
>national test scores are terrible
uh huh

>>60800808 (OP)
>3 moths of vacation a year
>access to prime teen pussy
>can wfh if you teach online class
>can tutor on the side $50/hr under the table
sounds based to me

>>60800825
Nonce

>>60800902
I first taught math and computer science in Australia. Now I teach finance in USA as part of the math department.

I don’t have to “try” anything. Been there done that.

Literature teachers could vanish from school curriculum and the world will keep on turning. Finance is actually required for graduation in many states here now because people are so thick and ignorant about debt that even in the land of the free, the government famous for its national debt forces them to learn about the dangers of debt.

>>60800849
My economics teacher in high school was like you. Super chill, made his work as easy as possible for himself while still teaching us to a proficient level. Wrote a book + some light course work because he thought the course work at our school sucked, and then sold his book to the school. Caught him trading forex multiple times during class, at some point he started showing us some of his trades because we kept bugging him about it. He only taught about 24hrs a week mostly for fun and for the benefits, not because he had to.

Looking back, he might have indirectly set me on the path to riches by awakening the /biz/bug in me.

I remember my third grade teacher yelling and scolding at me because i didn't pay attention in class.

You guys give yourself more credit than you deserve.

>>60800849
>teachers are dumb
yes absolutely, not a teacher but i lived with two of them as roommates for 4 years in the US east coast, one was a high school assistant principal for disciplinary issues and athletics, the other an elementary school teacher, both were weekend binge drinking alcoholics, both had questionable morals and ethics, they ran sham summer programs for extra cash, they even tried to get me to create an LLC so they can farm more kids, workings parents are happy to pay for any day camp during the summer as long as it's cheaper than daycare or real camps

all their friends were constantly full of drama and hooking up with each other, they had endless dumb training and administrative requirements, they felt inferior and insecure about their status all the time, the assistant principal was ostensibly a chad (he played division 1 baseball in college) but all the women would use him for sex and dump him, he faced constant rejection for relationships because "he was a teacher"

>>60801267
That’s the proficiency level teachers should be expected to have. The entire math department my school teaches is purchased and comes with text books and online tests and it runs itself. I asked them during my first meeting with them, what their actual role was, and they lost their shit. Didn’t it bother them that they had to get a college degree in mathematics only to get a job where they don’t need to know math? Like they’re not expected to make up their own lessons or even questions.

I am the only person in the department that writes everything. Curriculum, questions, exams, and I throw in short stories about day traders and dividend investors and meme stocks and crap like that. But I am only allowed do that because the school didn’t BUY me any curriculum. Plenty of teachers tried to get me to download curriculum like from banks or government orgs and when I would ask why I would do that… they couldn’t explain what the curriculum even included.

Meh.

>>60801405
Yep. And they’re all broke (linking back to /biz/ related)

>>60801238
Its okay if he's just looking at the menu, and smelling the aroma from the kitchen, as long as he doesn't have anything to eat.

>>60800808 (OP)
>endless work
they get a 3 month break every year and 3 weeks off during the holidays
>expected to work off the clock
doing what? you make 1 lesson plan and can use it for like 3 years in a row.
>always have a few students who are absolutey a pain in the ass every year
same shit as having pain in the ass coworkers

Growing up my school was all middle class white kids from stable families. Being a teacher then was the easiest shit ever and you got to retire with a fat pension. My grandfather was a science teacher and while he never became rich, he was able to support 5 kids and lives a comfortable retirement.

now however, that exact same school I went to is:

>majority ethnics from a multitude of divergent cultures
>has many students who can hardly communicate in english
>filled with autistic/adhd/ipad kids
>has transgender children

which is basically not worth dealing with for a 60k starting salary.

>>60800808 (OP)
Good for a mom...it's a part time job, but you might still get benefits and your kids don't need daycare. Same goes for college teacher for someone who might not want the full stress of their career..maybe already saved up a few million and can jut coast to retirement. Someone who worked a real job would make a better teacher as well. Aside from that it's just a shi deal for everyone involved.

should i do substitute teaching while in-between jobs? in my area subs make $21/hr with a small bonus if you work busy days/holidays, school bus drivers make $26/hr but requires some kind of certification, i'm probably looking at 2-3 months before i'm back to my regular job

>>60800808 (OP)
being a teacher blows in america
it should be compensated on the same level as other professional degrees like lawyer and doctor
that's what they do in asian countries and wow, look at how much better their students are doing

>>60801963
being a teacher is not a part time job lol

>>60801875
kys

>>60802049
Being a teacher is sorta like being a mom. An easy as fuck job compared to literally everything else but if you ask them they're the hardest working fuckers on the planet and without them everything would disintegrate.

>>60802049
>being a teacher is not a part time job lol
3 months off in the summer, spring break, fall break, winter/christmas break

they work 75% of the year

>>60802055
not a difficult job in terms of skills but dealing with kids and parents etc... that requires a lot of energy, like parenting, i can see how it can be exhausting

>>60802076
it varies but teachers generally have 200 days of instruction or professional development in a year. Add in a few weeks extra for all the time spent grading, preparing coursework, and its obviously a full time job.

The average full time job (after public holidays and vacation days) works 230-240 days for reference.

>>60800808 (OP)
in canada they make 6 figures after 5-10 years because of their union and they teach like shit so no idgaf about them.

>>60802085
It doesn’t come to this point often, but if a kid is a dick, they get sent to the assistant principals. I had a few students last year who spend more time there than in my class. Parents get pissed off about it and I ask them what exactly they do at home that helps their child behave and focus on important things and it shuts them up pretty fucking quick. It’s a gentleman’s way of pointing the blame squarely on them

>>60802131
nice, i'm guessing most parents don't have enough self-awareness to take responsibility for having shitty home life

>>60800849
Construction is unironically better than teaching

Teaching was pure hell. I decided my last year as a teacher was when I walked into the gymnasium full of pubescent teenagers for a student function, and "Mo Bamba" was blaring at 1000 decibels. That was the moment I decided that it was time to change career directions.

>>60802127
six figures in canada is not impressive. that is 70k in USA

>>60800808 (OP)
nope, if your a man teacher and chad looking its great.


guess what i do june july and august? leave the heat and travel and fcuk women around the world its always enough time to develop real realtionships with women and fcuk em real good. and at 3 months i start to miss my dog.

>>60802201
>implying a teacher can afford to travel the world
You can make more working at wal mart or the street department

>>60802152
Sounds a shitload more fun than what's happening in most offices out there and you're complaining

>>60801249
The entire education system is a joke though and no one learns anything from it. The entire focus of early education should be liberal arts based, focusing on developing a child's character, thinking abilities, and exposure to the ideas much bigger than himself. Instead we have rote memorization training aimed at priming children to our system of economic slavery, permanently crippling their abilities for self expression even though they could have learned this material--with more ease and wonder--if it couldve waited for them to mature as people. Congruence in education and strict standards also set the standard for a national character, instead we just shoot kids down drastically different paths and wonder why our society is so atomized.

>>60802052
Lmao, nope. See you at parent teacher night, where i will give you some good advice on how to raise your daughter, and have her behave better for me in class, cuck

>>60800865
>learn to code
>2025
more like learn a trade at this point. tech is over.

>>60802101
>Add in a few weeks extra for all the time spent grading, preparing coursework, and its obviously a full time job.
its a salary job. sometimes i work 50 hours a week. do teachers pretend they are the only salary workers in the world? "sometimes i put in longer hours, im basically a HERO". other people do that too lmao.

they have the summer off. its a part time job.

do you wonder where all the cars are going in the summer at rush hour? often to work lol.

Teacher world:

>have the summer off
>act like you are the hardest worker ever though

>have to work hard/long hours
>act like you are the only one who does this in the world (and have summers off which others dont)

>>60802142
Yeah if you enjoy a fucked up body at 40 and looking for a surgeon to fix your chronic back & knee pain. There are tradeoffs anon.

>>60800819
>Private schools are probably the way to go if someone wants to be a teacher. They have zero tolerances for shit behavior

This was absolutely not the case at my private school. The school made lots of money off each student...so they NEVER kicked anyone out. I broke so many rules and the only punishment I ever got was the principal saying "don't do that". Teachers would also artificially raise everyone's grades by one letter just to keep some from failing. It was just a daycare for rich kids.

>>60802562
Why do you retards keep perpetuating this meme?
I work in trades and half the people in my company are over 40.
They are in better shape and have less medically wrong with them than my 28 year old wfh friends.
I know 50+ year olds that can out run, lift or swim you.

Its the alcohol, smoking, and drugs that a lot of menial laborers do that fucks you up, not being physically active lmao.

In my euro shithole its pretty good, they are government workers so get a government pension, they make more than normal wagies due to tax benefits and have more holidays due to all the breaks in the year, the best route is go get out of teaching and get a comfy desk job in school management, all the benefits and no kids

>>60802258
bro i got 600k in link tokens i cash out. youre on /biz/ dumbfcuk we all got in link at .23 cents

>>60802142
>Construction
is for dumb asses who failed school

>>60802586
I'm 38 and have a herniated disc from construction and landscaping

I eat very healthy and don't abuse any substances

>>60802586
Its not meme its just something thats pretty common when compared to other fields

>>60802586
They also have far less money, and are lifelong low-status males.

>>60802613
im sorry bro, alot of my buddies are in there 30's and cant even play in the park with their kids cus of injuries. i realized when i was 21 and high on mushrooms to make sure to take care of my body because i only have one, and its the thing that transports my brain. it was very profound byt stuck with me

im 38 and have a 6 pack. no joint pain. nothing thank god. i just dedicate an hour to staying active a day. and have been eating whole foods since 2013 when i read a book about the microbime. avoiding fragrance, teflon ,microplastics since then, it was cutting edge siceine in those days and im thankful i read those books so early

>>60802621
Ive been in the field for 5 years and im already above the upper range for teachers