Thread 60803635

Just found out that options aren't halal

I need to do it the old fashioned way by only investing in relatively morally good companies. You guys carry on without me

>>60803635 (OP)
options are basically gambling (haram) anyway. Best just buy stocks and be patient

>>60803635 (OP)
Any form of ursury is haram
So basically all investments
But god put me on this earth ruled by evil financial jews. If I dont play along I dont get to eat.
Sorry, but god also obligates you to not knowingly put yourself into hardship.
If some faggot (((imam))) disagrees he's welcome to support me.

>>60803635 (OP)
>>60803693
You both need to do humanity a favor.
Kill yourselves.
I am not kidding, although your posts might be in jest.
Halal. This word alone was unknown in the west but by a few. Why would we begin to care even knowing about it? We are Europeans. We do not need know such words.

religion is so gay

hopefully you wont be an extremist without knowledge as options is a gambling because the nature of the contracts. however permissible for you to do trades. be it stocks, goods, metals, properties. what is not something that promised set number of ROI and any businesses that blatantly against the religion or the people.

we are here only for 70-80 years, even after that age there are no more exciting things in this world you have not tasted or soon be too frail to care. He created this death and life as a test of which among us is righteous in deeds. so be patient brother.

>>60803635 (OP)
options aren't halal but they are tasty

>>60804423
No Muslim cares about gambling or interests. Everyone I know is paying sky high interest for their home and car loans. God forbid you live in a small apartment like me(i paid in cash after saving up my whole life). Noo, you deserve to live the good life because it’s permissible you see if there are no sharia banks around. Kek.

>>60803635 (OP)
your religion is actually retarded for banning the basis of finance
no wonder all your countries are fucking backward except where they literally sat on an ocean of oil

>>60803693
"Buy stocks" is also gambling.

>>60803635 (OP)
I mean even receiving rent is not Halal, so Bonds are out too. Sucks to be you, muzzie.

>>60804423
>He created this death and life as a test of which among us is righteous in deeds
meds

>>60803635 (OP)
this post actually convinced me to support Zionism, good job OP
the islamic world needs to fuck off from this planet entirely with their retarded beliefs and I don't want to wait 700 years for them to have a reformation

>>60804605
>sharia banks
Complete grift, they just pocket the interest
God did not put me on this earth to be swindled.
I will use a normal bank, normal HYSA, normal investments etc.
If any (((imam))) disagrees I will shove my fist up his anus.

>>60803635 (OP)
Neither is goat shagging.

>>60804636
>i dont want to be swindled
>puts his money in 0% reserve requirement jew banks
absolute state of diaspora kuffar

>>60804672
What the fuck are you talking about retard
My emergency fund is in an hysa
My day to day fund is in a normal savings account, however I use my amex card for like 99% of transactions.
The rest of my money is invested.

>>60804609
>banning the basis of finance
iirc, muslim bankers got around islamic usury laws by giving 0% loans to merchants going on trading expeditions only on the condition that these merchants would sell their wares to them at a discount
interest with extra steps basically, but it fuelled the islamic golden age

>>60803635 (OP)
I have an opinion here, that interest is NOT haram when it's legitimately tied to the rate of devaluation of currency. Obvs the angel Gabriel could have given Mohammed some more detail about rate of issue of new currency, but nooooooo

>>60804723
here's an idea
why don't you come up with a religion that isn't fucking stupid

>>60804728
you loan a kilogram of gold from lender, sell it to currency for your needs, payback said loan with a kilogram of gold later.

>>60804771
>and then we transfer our sins to a chicken to trick God!
why are sand jews like this

>>60803635 (OP)
Who is looking?

Plenty of halal options in new york city.

>>60803635 (OP)
>Just found out that gambling isn't halal

You're a retarded sandnigger.

>>60804775
Lmao.

>>60803635 (OP)
You can invest in crypto and precious materials too. And you can invest in your own business.

>>60803693
Lots of stocks (most?) are haram too.

>>60803706
>Any form of ursury is haram
Yes
>So basically all investments
No

>>60803706
>But god put me on this earth ruled by evil financial jews. If I dont play along I dont get to eat.
>Sorry, but god also obligates you to not knowingly put yourself into hardship.
>If some faggot (((imam))) disagrees he's welcome to support me.
If you're Muslim you should understand that Risq comes from God and there's a way for you to be rich in halal ways.
Even if you think in a secular fashion, most people lost money when gambling on the market. Imagine taking sins and still losing money in the end

>>60804605
>No Muslim cares about gambling or interests. Everyone I know is paying sky high interest for their home and car loans
Find better friends

>>60804609
All Muslim countries that govern based on Islam have a high standard of living, oil or no oil. Those with bad standards are former european colonies that govern based on some kind of socialism.

>>60805412
>All Muslim countries that govern based on Islam have a high standard of living
horse shit
the only muslim countries anyone would want to live in are oil rich ones, and that's despite of, not because of, islam

>>60805434
No, Malaysia, has a good standard of living despite not having oil.
Algeria, Syria, Libya, have low standards despite having oil.
Venezuela has oil, bad country to live in as well.

I'm not even saying that Islamic governmence gives good standard because of some magical blessing, but Islam implies harshness with crime, low taxes, legal clarity and respect of private ownership, which is conductive to high standard of living.

All the "Muslim" countries that you have in mind when you think about poor muslim countries don't govern based on Islam. There's no significative amount of migrants from sharia ruled Islamic countries, they all come from socialist former western colonies.

>>60805407
>Risq comes from God
Yeah he gave me the ability to buy stocks and coins.

>>60803719
>we
Speak for yourself, I'm a gay Muslim man and I haven't had my period in over a month.

>>60805534
Buying stocks and coin isn't haram by itself, what I'm addressing here is your mindset, you can't just go against rules and blame the world you live in for that, it's also your duty to find licit ways of making money.
And if you sin, at the very minimum accept that it is a sin and be prepared to pay, finding excuses can only make it worse.

>>60805473
ive been to malaysia, its a shit hole

>>60805908
How so?

>>60803635 (OP)
Usury is 'Debt with Interest'.
Interest is defined as gaining specified amount of additional money from lending money with time.
It has a very clear definition.
Is option a debt? Are you in debt to somebody? Or are they indebted to you?
Are you paying interest, or are they paying you interest?
Trading something for profit is not interest.
If not, then it's not 'haram'.

For example, lending money, and add interests with indefinite span of time on tip, is considerend usury, as in Debt-Based Monetary system, or bank money-lending with interest.
It's not clearly defined with time, so the borrowers will have to pay infinite interest if things went south. It's a scam with exploitation at its core.

Lending money with a specified amount of fee is not usury. Because you don't trick or exploit anybody.
For example, You lend somebody 100k, and he'll pay back 120k, no matter if he missed the payment, or anything unfortunate happen.
You still make profit.
But there is no exploitation, because the contract is clear and definite, and the debtors is not hung on eternal interest that has now inflated beyond what is logical, like what happened with USA national debt.

So, are you in debt, and receiving interest on that debt?
If yes, then its haram.
If no, then its not haram.

>>60803635 (OP)
That's what you get for following a heretical faith created hundreds of years after the death of Christ.

The wealth of the wicked is layer up before the righteous.

>>60806611
The path of the righteous man is beset upon all sides etc

>>60805555
No theres obvious illicit ways of making money like selling alcohol.
But some faggot telling me I can't buy a house because of le interest can fuck off.
I had an (((imam))) tell me that dividends are haram. And yet its halal to live in poverty?
Fuck off. I didn't ask to be born. I am allowed to be happy and not wagie for the rest of my life.
Funny how those faggots are always pakis and other assorted brownoids.
The arabs are right to literally enslave them in Saudi and Qatar. Fucking subhumans.
Spreading Islam into Asia was a mistake.

>>60806611
Thats what the Nicene Creed is you trinitarian tranny

>>60806751
You can get interest-free loans if you're a Muslim.
Same for jews, they have interest-free loans schemes in banks.
The total amount paid is the same whichever way, but there are no 'infinite undefined interest', which what usury is.

So yeah, you can borrow money to buy a house without usury.

>>60806611
Gambling and usury is prohibited by Christianity too, which you would know if you weren't a larper

>>60806751
I recommend you seek forgiveness for speaking in such a way.
Also check the captcha I got, pretty cool isn't it? And I also had quads here >>60805555

>>60806751
>"The world owes me a living"
>"It's okay to do crime for money."
>"Everybody is at fault except me"
>"I am a victim."
>"It's not my fault, they force me to sin"
Something tells me you're jewish.
No Muslim, no Christians is this narcissistic.