Thread 60803774

Covid has been over for years and they're still losing industrial production and they're still posting negative gdp numbers

wtf is happening there?

>>60803774 (OP)
Deindustrialization by retarded green maniacs (the grandmas running the country)

>>60803774 (OP)
tiny hats

>>60803774 (OP)

Is the german man the most cucked living thing in the entire universe?

>lets millions of male invaders from the worst and most violent nations in
>feeds them, gives them money, cares for them, nurtures them
>the feral wildlings go totally apeshit. They fuck, rape and kill german women. They steal, rob, betray, scam and swindling the last penny out of the german man‘s pocket
>germany can’t get rid of the invasion.
>they breed worse than rabbits
>like an invasive species, they soon take over the entire host nation
>year after year, the government raises taxes to finance the costs of this invasion.
>the country will slowly transform into an absolute shithole
>leftist politicians protect these foreign orc invaders and discredit every critic
>Like a good little tame and castrated beta cuck, the german man does absolutely nothing against this

How can a single creature be this cucked?

>>60803774 (OP)
>shut down nukes for no reason
>relied on natural gas via corrupt pols
>"green" energy that costs a fortune

its as if the only people who took Al Gore seriously were in the EU

turns out virtue signaling doesn't do anything and replacing efficient german nuclear power plants with ten million "syrians" who sell kebabs, iphone cases, and shariah is a net loss to society

>>60803774 (OP)
Everyone got mad at America for saying they weren't going to buy from China anymore.
Europe happily sided with China and said Europe would be the new customers. Enjoy!

>>60804054
Negative gdp growth prior to april can totally be explained by tariffs that started later . You migatards have brain rot and dogs are probably more coherent then you are .

>>60804071
>he thinks Germany just started trade with China for the first time ever
What does my post have to do with tariffs? Seems you have TDS.

>>60803774 (OP)
Why do you care?

>>60804357
Because I'm european and unfortunately the dumb retarded decisions your country makes destroys the entire continent

>>60803774 (OP)
germany is giga cucked
>let in any illegal immigrant
>population does not care
>illegal immigrants just do whatever
>nothing is done to them
>people still vote the same parties that keep making them come in
Imagine that you see those creatures every day but dont vote the one party that would stop the flow. Its like not voting for trump while still wanting the border wall.

germans are retards. cool 0% crypto tax at least

>>60803774 (OP)
Absurd production costs of anything. Extremely exüensive energy. Extremely hard regulations. While the median net salary is only 33k Euro, the employee has to pay 60k for it due to sharply rising taxes, pension taxes and health taxes (they rise the fastest because every retard in the world gets free health care opon arrival if he says asyl). So production is leaving germany and this is a megatrend that cant be reversed under this conditions. Also Germans more and more wake up how bad it is and have less and less motivation to work so maybe finally this all comes down

Is the german man the most cucked living thing in the entire universe?

>lets millions of male invaders from the worst and most violent nations in
>feeds them, gives them money, cares for them, nurtures them
>the feral wildlings go totally apeshit. They fuck, rape and kill german women. They steal, rob, betray, scam and swindling the last penny out of the german man‘s pocket
>germany can’t get rid of the invasion.
>they breed worse than rabbits
>like an invasive species, they soon take over the entire host nation
>year after year, the government raises taxes to finance the costs of this invasion.
>the country will slowly transform into an absolute shithole
>leftist politicians protect these foreign orc invaders and discredit every critic
>Like a good little tame and castrated beta cuck, the german man does absolutely nothing against this

How can a single creature be this cucked?

>>60804426
>a party is voted that closes the borders right after getting in power
>increase deportations
>people are not more satisfied than before
Turns out people are retarded and are upset with everything from the safety of their family home, they have literal first world problems and immigrants are not the problem. It's people like you feeding shit to retards

>>60803774 (OP)
>wtf is happening there?
Boomers retiring

>>60804611
most of the time they are deporting the wrong people and its poorly managed

>>60804611
call me again when they deport little every single last immigrant and immigrant's child.

>>60803774 (OP)
Economic suicide.

Don't forget to import 1 million more Syrians to save the hecking economy.

>>60804071
careful, he might crash out and spam tranny jpegs

>>60803774 (OP)
immigrant in germany here, tldr is they get indoctrinated by school education that they must repent and suffer for ww2. The adult german is unable to do the sane thing because he cant escape a decade of school education training him into
>i deserve this
>this is fine

That aside >>60804611
they are deporting the good ones and keeping the criminals. Literally. We had a guy save a women from another. They started deporting the guy who saved the women and kept the rapist.

Lastly real native germans are below 30% among kids. They are fully done. There was a uprising attempt but the gov send like 2000 cops on 300 people.

i think the country was probably lost post ww2 and the remaining years was just a slow systematic genocide of the german people. The first step was already when us forced germany into taking turkish immigrants against german wishes.

>>60804426
Immigrants don't reduce industrial capacity which is declining in Germany

>>60804788
I think deporting people would close more Volkswagen factories though

>>60803774 (OP)
Germany become a shithole
Where can i fuck off to?

>>60803774 (OP)
Energy prices in Germany are still at least twice as high as they were pre Russia-Ukraine war so their expenses are much higher combined with the ageing population of skilled workers retiring Germany will no longer be an industrial powerhouse unless those Arabs and Africans they imported will take up the roles like the politicians said they will

>>60804822
when 3 immigrants work less efficient when 1 german it does. Also energy costs which are elevated due to dumb decisions

>>60804825
If you actually deported everyone the country would collapse because as i said - most are immigrants now. But deporting the trash would free tax money and improve morale for everyone.

You just have to deport the right ones, namely the rapists&murderers. Also something some might not know: When the immigration crisis happened a bunch of north african countries emptied their jails and send them along, so the retarded german gov is basically housing the criminals of foreign countries now.

>>60804822
money spend on dumb shit is money not spend on economy.
And their core economy was wealth through technological advantage. That is over. They don't fund staying ahead. Not to mention you need young smart people for that which comes back to taxing smart people so heavy they can only afford less kids.

And the smart kids are leaving, heard one prof claim about 20% of the best grad are running. You can see emigration numbers have been growing. The capable are running from the coming collapse while retarded get imported.

>>60804822
Yes the government spending money on the working age males they imported from Africa and Asia don't have an impact on the industrial capacity the fact that these people were allowed in under guise they would contribute to the workforce and replace the current ageing industrial workers as well as pay in to the welfare system for the ageing population has absolutely no impact whatsoever

>>60804828
sell crypto tax free and move to switzerland desu

>>60803774 (OP)
German "survivor" here, reasons are:

1) our politicians are corrupt retards and hardcore communists

2) our voters are also retards, naive and dumb as fuck enabling point 1) in the first place

3) We get flooded by shitskins since 2015 that rape and kill our women/children and get rewarded for it by the government with free money without having to work ever (paid by tax payer slaves), which is only possible because 1) & 2)

TL:DR Germany is full of dumb sheep that vote for their own butcher. Hope that helps

>>60804923
So it's better to kick them all out which will make it harder for factories to recruit and close them

>>60804348
Because literally germany accepting more chinese output came after tariffs . You have no brain . Kys faggot

>>60804611
Go back shitskin
Yes you are the problem and if you think the CDU is anti immigrant or did deport more then bring in at any time you are retarded

>>60803774 (OP)
>Russia bad
>EU good
This is what you fucking deserve

>>60804788
>>60804874
There is nobody who shouldnt be deported even if thr wowuld be a "collapse" (i dont care of buses dont drive or if boomer get no medical stuff or care, in fact they deserve it)

>>60805040
>our politicians are corrupt retards and hardcore communists

This, many politicians profit from the "refuge industry" and prop it up like it was a important manifacturing sector. But the only thing it produces is illiterate unskilled slave labor. And this labor will then not work minimum wage but go into the welfare system because it pays rent and food and then some. The country will be 50% useless brown people and 50% state sector soon.

>>60804594
losing a worldwar carries certain costs, apparently in perpetuity

>>60804426
believe it or not numbers would be worse without those immigrants
and believe it or not there is a containment board for the kind of retarded circlejerk your kind likes >>>/pol/
Germs fucked up because they relied too much on
>American defense spending
>Russian energy
and those 2 things came at odds to everyone's surprise
to complicate things the way they manage green energy subsidies is also ultra corrupt and have already ruined green energy policy which could have helped growth immensely if the bureaucrats involved weren't such demented oligarchical ghouls

Can’t trade with Russia and can’t get cheap energy for them. Everyone blaming something else is a retarded incel. It’s sad really, we (europe) could easily become the world power and leave USA in the dust if Russia would only work towards EU instead of acting like it’s the 18th century.

>>60805181
There was definitely a guy who had a plan like this before in germany circa 1940s.

>>60805227
EU and US have been joined at the hip since WW2 and the Marshal plan
Russia knows there is no such thing as a friendly ally, China and India are only friendly because of their cheap energy
EU is still trying desperately to hedge their bets by buying Russian on the down low but this desperation could never lead to anything fruitful because they (the EU) have nothing tangible they could offer Russians in return that wouldn't weaken Russia in the long term through dependency, which is what fucked over europe

>>60805179
Fucking absolute retard. We gave Russia everything, including slurping all the oil they sold and still they just wanted to play their gay games. This place is full of brain dead brown trash.

>>60805235
Europe would definitely welcome Russia long term if Russia started to move towards actual democracy. EU should aim for seperation from USA, this is true. USA will always choose it’s own interests over Europe.

>>60805255
you are literally the 110 IQ guy on that gauß curve meme

>>60803774 (OP)
>poles and czechs stealing our taxes through the EU, then using them to bribe companies into moving jobs eastwards
>americans pressuring and bribing our "elected" government into buying overpriced gas insetad of cheap russian oil
>lefties systematically ruining the economy bcs muhclimate change, then making off with the money once people wisen up
It's not that different from 100 years ago, actually. BTW, I just applied to art school, and if I get rejected, I've got a backup plan ready...

>>60805299
I’m 125 on official paper test, stop projecting you midwit.

>>60805227
>Russia would only work towards EU instead of acting like it’s the 18th century
What are truly dishonest POS you are. Russia always wanted good relations with Western Europe, especially economic ones. It is you cucks who decided to go fully on board with the anglo-kike idea of NATO expansion and antagonism of Russia. Western Europe fucked that relationship (and themselves), not the other way around.

>>60803774 (OP)
Literal planned deindustrialization, in the name of saving the environment, meanwhile china and india pollute the world more than ever and none cares but how dare you want to produce aluminum or pharma in germany, you nazi

>>60805299
Its worse, he is 100% a polack.

>>60804594
UK and Canada are cucked, especially the UK

>>60805315
nato is a defensive pact that wouldn't be needed if russia wasn't so aggressive. there's a reason all of russias neighbours want to be part of it, which they have every right to be in. russia can cope and shout "noo i didn't heckin consent tho", they have no business what other sovereign nations decide to do. the soviet union collapsed three decades ago, it's time to get over it.

>>60805315
I agree that it was our mistake, but we’ve learned from that mistake and will never let american kikes just decide things for us.

>>60805336
Only boomers russians even remember it. Once they die, i predict that Russia will become way more peaceful.

Every right-wing/conservative German I've spoken to has been a porn addict, criminal, or morally debauched individual who's extremely concerned about migrants following "German values" while not being able to name these values nor follow them themselves

>>60805320
Only co2 is relevant pollution chud

>>60805381
I dont want them to follow "valus" i want them to go

>>60805336
People like you are so tiresome, truly a parasitcal type of existence. People like you keep saying that Russia is this aggressor, and say it enough times and it will start to be treated as the truth. But is it true? Lets examine, what military conflicts with outside nations has Russia engaged in since the fall of the USSR? There was Georgia in 2008, which was done to prevent them joining NATO. Once that was accomplished Russia withdrew, no part of Georgia was annexed. There was the annexation of Crimea in 2014 which was in response to a color revolution literally lead by Victoria Nuland and John McCain on the ground in Kiev. Again, in response to the push to get Ukrain into NATO. And again in 2022 which was in response to Zelensky claiming Ukraine will join NATO and saying that the country should station nuclear warheads on its territory. Every Russian military act post USSR has been to repel NATO from its borders. Every single one of these military actions has been in response to Western antagonism. I am so tired of this Russian aggression myth, and it is exactly that - a myth. Regurgitated by brain dead retards such as yourself and then repeated by many more. And off the top of my head - 2 wars in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, destruction of Libya and Yugoslavia are all American projects in that same time span since the fall of the USSR during which this Russian expansionist aggression has supposedly been taking place.

>>60805227
>>60805248
Last time i checked the EU is the 18th century style expansive empire. Russia just said stop in Ukraine which is extremely defensive as they were in Berlin 40 years ago.

>>60805336
China wants to be in nato?

>>60805440
why did those countries want to join nato? why do any country want to join nato?
to prevent russian aggression. simple as.

>>60805453
They "want" to join NATO because they get infiltrated by Western aparatchiks and become vassals of America. They are then pushed into NATO as part of a grand strategy of Russian encirclment with the eventual aim of military confrontation. You're obviously too stupid to recall, but in 2014 there was a democratically elected government in Ukraine that was against joining NATO. What happened next? A CIA/MI6 color revolution was instigated where you had Victoria Nuland and John McCain on the ground in Kiev leading the charge. And what was the result of that color revolution? The elected government was overthrown in favor of one that all of the sudden wanted to join NATO. Does the absurdity of this not strike you in the slightest? Of course it doesn't, you're an imbecile. Lets not also forget that Zelensky was about to sign a peace agreement with Putin and end the war and Boris Johnson personally flew to Kiev and put a stop to that and told Zelensky he is to continue the war. Oh but sure, all of these countries are acting completely autonomously and not under the direction of their Western patrons.
>simple as
You're a simpleton indeed

>>60805507
wall of paranoia. russias neighbours are rightfully afraid of russia. why is that? because they keep invading. so they want nato protection. pretty easy to understand.

>>60803786
Correct

Germans are being replaced with afroasiatics of course it is turning into a third world country

>>60803774 (OP)
Who would want to invest in Germany anyway? They've now repeatedly demonstrated that they are unwilling to defend their industry, in 2022 and again in 2025

>>60805336
>>60805536
That narrative doesn't explain why the US and other NATO countries want to get themselves involved in those countries. For a new country to join NATO, it requires the approval of all current NATO members

Russia has ok relations with its neighbors that are ineligible to join NATO, i.e. all those east of the Caspian

>>60805198
The UK >>60805327 is also cucked and they "won" the second world war against germany at the expense of their empire. Suffice it to say, Whites lost and jews won... but not for much longer.

>>60805556
>invites the vampire in
you hate to see it

>>60804874
>You just have to deport the right ones, namely the rapists&murderers
Yes as I said illegal immigration is the problem, are you reddit or something? Its always the same man you say illegals are a problem then they come at you saying 'yeah you need immigrants dumdum'

>>60805440
You must be unironic Russian shill, no way someone can be that braindead. If Finland wants to join NATO, it can do so. It’s an impedentant country and Russia has no right to tell other countries what they can do. Only when it us invaded by other countries, it has the right to defend itself. This is plain common sense.

>>60805443
No 18th century empire was a democratic union which only expanded by nations voting to join it, Ivan. Also, EU poses no threat to Russia (but huge economic opportunity to Russians).

>>60805717
Because it benefits NATO if Ukraine joins NATO? And also Ukraine. The only thing that stopped that benefication was Russia deciding to invade Ukraine. Only Russia was evil here. Which makes them dumb as fuck, because instead of benefitting economically by becoming more like west, they choose to be evil.

>>60803774 (OP)
As someone who lived in Germany for 15 years (and fucked off in 2014, thank god):

The country is mentally deranged, especially their media and political parties. they're totally brainfucked by green transitiion, they really believe in it and want everyone in Germany to "pay" for it (think of it as religiously repenting for their sins). Plus, they *hate* themselves so they're in some way happy to get flooded by browns.

But mind you, just like in WW2, they will pull their ideology through to the bitter end, whatever it may cost. don't expect any sanity check or shift in policy - they'll grind themselves to the bones on their ideology.

>>60805980
>>60805998
You are incredibly naive and your posts betray this fact. You call Russia "evil" and "dumb as fuck". Sorry to break it to you but the only dumb fuck here is you. You look at a map and see the outlines of the various nation-states and you think each one exists and operates in a vacuum, but that is not how it works. Each nation-state is interconnected in a complex scheme of geopolitical power dynamics. Weaker states must submit to and compromise with regional powers, and those regional powers must submit to and compromise with the world hegemon; which for the last 35 years has undeniably been the United States. This is of course changing before our very own eyes which is why we see Russia and China flex their muscles and assert more dominance. At the highest levels "might makes right". This is why something like the Monroe Doctrine and realpolitik exist. Sure Ukraine is free to want to join NATO, and Russia is free to not want that. What happens when an irreconcilable difference arises? A violent and chaotic scene follows, with the ultimate arbiter emerging - power. That which prevails will be the correct one. Why was Ukraine not free to have a democratically elected government in 2014? Do you think Mexico is truly free to enter into any type of military agreements with America's adversaries?

>>60803774 (OP)
They are a saving economy but might start shifting soon as america, france, and others shift to saving economies

>>60805980
>democratic union
Von der layen wasnt voted. Also its not "democratic" anyway since its manipulated by the media and big parties and furthermore democracy isnt even that good.
And no im not russian you retard.

>>60806566
i think Ukraine was the move of nato to kill russian nuclear second strike capabilty. Their strategic nuclear launch sides are in south russia.

>>60806958
I think thats a good observation. It would also greatly enhance NATO's first strike capability against Moscow. Lets not forget Zelensky claiming that the Ukraine should host nuclear weapons prior to the SMO. Beyond that Ukraine has immense strategic value from the perspective of a potential ground invasion. Given its flatlands it is one of the easier routes of invasion into Russia along its borders. It would also present the hypothetical adversary an opportunity to cut Russia off from the black sea. Having Ukraine fall into the West's control would be a near checkmate move that the Kremlin could never allow. Hence we find ourselves in the current state of affairs. This would be akin to China building up its military forces, military hardware and strike capabilities in Juarez, Mexico. Absolutely Haram.
>>60806945
>Russia evil!
>European Union democratic!
retard-kun is hitting all the buzz word talking points.

>>60803774 (OP)
Germans are self hating cucks and all they care about is housing as much Islamic Muslim migrants as possible and paying 90% tax so their daughters can get raped by sand niggers and so that Holohoax survivors can be neets.

They want to go extinct and love being humiliated and their country going to shit as karma for what the evil heckin Nazis and Hitler did

>>60805536
No it's not easy for me to understand why Germany, a country that once was strong enough to try and conquer the world, needs to hide behind US because it's too scared of Russia. Why are you just accepting the fact that Germany is and always will be weaker than Russia? Why not try and defend yourself instead of looking for outside protection? It's Germany not flipping Latvia, you're not supposed to just fold the second someone attacks you

>>60806566
As i said it isn’t the 18th century anymore. States that oppress weaker states are evil, Russia is evil, there isn’t some ”gritty realism.” That’s just the excuse russians make when their oligarchs fuck them in the ass. Russia invading other nations that aren’t invading them makes them evil. You russians are fucking retarded if you think propaganda this bad works on white people. Just trade with us you dumb fucks.

>>60807171
For the last time, west has no intention of invading russia, everyone russian knows this but still acts like they are in mortal danger and use it as a justification to slaughter ukrainians and play EUIV irl. As i said, you people are fucking retarded if you think propaganda this bad works on anyone. And evil for invading and killing other nations and their people.

>>60806566
My point is that we have simply moved beyond ”might makes right” and russians are retarded for not realising this. It isn’t moral for smaller states to just subjugate to greater states. That’s exactly why USSR fell but clearly some of you retards haven’t learned from that yet.

>>60807378
>States that oppress weaker states are evil,
Subjective but then clearly the usa is the most "evil"
>>60807391
The Usa started it with maidan, that is the equivalent of invading. Then ukraine invaded the russian donbass. >>60807413
>we have simply moved beyond ”might makes right
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Retard
The usa politics is might makes right since forever.
>iraq
>afghanistan
>serbia
>etc etc etc etc
Us military places all around the world
They want to destroy russian and chinese powers so they become the rulers of the world and you are a dump golem supporting them
BTW
Usa empire with vassals like eu is the most anti white empire it forces nonwhite immigration. Thats the real reason why im against the usa.

>>60807435
I don’t support USA, no idea where you took that from. And Ukrainians themself threw their leader out when he didn’t want to get closer to EU, unlike what he promised in his election campaign. Americans didn’t just start mind controlling ukrainians or some shit lmao.

>>60807378
>there isn’t some ”gritty realism.”
there is. you sound extremely unhinged, that is in addition to being extremely dumb. it must be difficult to live in a world you aren't able to understand. so you rage and seethe. you reduce everything around you to oversimplified caricatures and throw around insults, like an ape flinging shit. which is essentially what you are.

>>60807452
You eighter support russia or the usa here. There is no "team ukraine" as ukraine alone is completely helpless. The west already controls ukraine easily since they can cut off funding if ukraine does anything they dont like. But i mostly i pointed out your doublestandards.
>>60807452
>And Ukrainians themself threw their leader out when he didn’t want to get closer to EU
This is plain wrong. It was CIA made and funded and supported by all western countries diplomatically and medially.

>>60807465
>You eighter support russia or the usa here.
You can also support peace btw, a complete freezing to stop the killing of white men. That would be supporting neighter, but you seem very one sided.

>>60807458
Sorry Ivan, no there isn’t. I can’t believe people as evil and stupid as you exist. As i said already, we have moved past that, USSR falling proves that. Nobody wanted to just be buttfucked by a greater power and that’s why it failed.

>>60807413
>we have simply moved beyond ”might makes right”
You don't even know that Germany has taken part in every recent US invasion do you? 1300 German soldiers invaded Afghanistan not so long ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Support_Mission
>>60807378
>Just trade with us you dumb fucks.
You don't even know that Russia didn't quit trading with you, do you? You don't realize that Germany itself chose not to trade with Russia?
Man you guys are so brainwashed recently it's scary.

>>60807477
>we
Again who is "we"?
The tariffs did proof the usa did not and eveyone folded against them besides china.

>>60807465
How was it CIA made? I haven’t met a single Ukrainian who didn’t support Maidan. And there is another rising power, EU, that we can support. If russians cared for their populace, they would support EU too because trade with europe is what increases their living standards the most.

>>60807474
I do support peace, but it’s clear that Putin doesn’t want it.

I can't believe we fucking sided with Russian over Germany. America was like 60% German at the time.

Now look at the world. We all fucking deserve what's happening. I can't think about it and not get sick.

>>60807485
>How was it CIA made?
This MUST be bait right?
Cia funded all these troops, and the top usa jews even admitted it was them. They financed anti russian groups in ukraine since the 90s. They likely did the sniper shots in maidan. etc etc etc etc
>>60807485
>I do support peace, but it’s clear that Putin doesn’t want it.
Fucking retard he just doesnt want to lose like the west. He is clearly fine with lines frozen IF ukraine stays neutral and doesnt help nato to neutralize russian nuclear potential >>60806958

>>60807482
Lmao 1500 soldiers is nothing, just military training. Your might makes right propaganda justification keeps on being retarded for these evil acts. And of course EU isn’t going to trade with powers who attack nations because they want to join EU. With trade with us i mean act civil so we are willing to trade with you.

>>60807485
This is a power struggle between nato and the russian (kind of china too) and you come with your BUT HE MUST RESIGN ONLY RESIGN IS PEACE.
Ukraine is just the useful idiot from the west. Ukrainian men die and the women are here slutting

>>60807501
>for these evil acts.
At least you admitted nato invasion of afghanistan was evil, thats a start

>>60807492
What troops? There were protesters against police, your propaganda is gibberish.

>>60807506
Yeah sure i’m not supporting USA there.

>>60807516
Sorry. Groups. Groups like right sector and various others. Usa founded kyiv independent as Trump exposed. >>60807516
And Gaza? 20 times the civilian deaths then in ukraine. Clearly without the usa Israel couldn't do shit. Why is that better? Clearly "we" did not stop might is right

>>60807546
Man, unhinged retard anon sure went quiet after you brought up Gaza. kek

Is /biz/ unmoderated?
Shift click on this one lads
Not good

>>60807612
Of course i don’t support gaza either. Doesn’t make what Russia is doing less evil.

>>60804426
its amazing really how everyone just gave up and let the politicians just do whatever they want

>>60803786
>>60804023
WHY THE FUCK ARE THE GERMANS DOING THIS?

>>60803780
not even grandmas, just old childless hags

>>60804594
at least germans still use cash. finland is even more fucked with how anti cash and pro taxing they are and bunch of snitches too and just in the past month the tax propaganda has really been going hard and the commies in the comments always love it and ask for higher taxes

>>60803774 (OP)
from what I've read, the EU in general fucked itself by forcing car companies to sell 100% electric cars in 2030 or some shit. meanwhile, they are selling the same cars at much higher prices. now china produces cheap electric cars and has the lead while german manufacturers got fucked. the chinese are buying their factories kek

>>60803916
>>"green" energy that costs a fortune
it costs a fortune because the retards don't invest even more in solar panels and especially in storage (batteries). shit is cheap as fuck nowadays, and prices are still falling. CATL just introduced sodium batteries and said their prices will fall to 1/10th of the current prices for lithium batteries.

>>60805980
>No 18th century empire was a democratic union which only expanded by nations voting to join it, Ivan
let me give you a counter-example for this: the US. they have attacked almost every single country on earth that had a leader who opposed them. I'm sure the US isn't imperialistic lmao

>>60805040
>dumb sheep that vote for their own butcher
Wow man, hang in there. From an American perspective, the world needs a bad ass Germany to be the sober and mature grown ups when most other countries are being whiny-ass pussies.

>>60805227
>we (europe) could easily become the world power
lol

>>60803774 (OP)
aging population & energy crisis from de-nuclearization and loosing Russian gas

>>60809065
Thats part of it, now add insane green policies and idiotic bureaucracy

They went full retard into EVs and forced VW and other manufacturers with them, but none buys these shitheaps, added new building codes where they wanted to make gas and oil heating illegal lmao

One term of green spastics in the government made more damage than covid and they even managed to cement it into the constitution

>>60809054
Biggest market on the planet, biggest white population. EU + Russia easily could ve. Instead Russia decided to want to act like it’s an already crumbled communistic empire.

>>60806566
Ukraine invasion is Russia's way of "flexing" muscle? Are you not embarrassed saying that? All I am seen is pathetic regional power stumble hard and lose all possible future military export of their equipment, maybe some African tier niggers might buy it in the future.

>>60807483
Why do people say China didn't fold, they folded like EU and got a higher total tariff (EU got +15%, same as China)

>>60804874
>the country would collapse
lol no

>>60806367
that's what 60 years of talmudocratic repentance & self-shaming do to a mf

>>60803780
>green maniacs
Taking orders from their American and WEF overlords.

>>60809167
If we look at the relative strength between Russian and the US 20 years ago I don't it would have been feasible for Russia to pull something like this off. To call this a war between Russia and Ukraine is not accurate. This is a proxy war between Russia and NATO via Ukraine. The West has poured significant money into Ukraine, provided military hardware, logistics, specialists, intelligence, etc. Not to mention the parallel economic warfare against Russia in the form of sanctions, kicking them off SWIFT and seizing their fx reserves. This is no small feat on the part of Russia. You can trivialize it all you want but the writing is on the wall. The power dynamics are shifting away from the US and the West to Russia, China and the East. So yes, you see Russia and China assert more dominance on the geopolitical stage. This would have been unthinkable two decades ago.

>>60803774 (OP)
They're burning garbage to power their cities which they're flooding with niggers and Muslims. It's suicide because a bunch of women run the EU and they have no fucking idea what they're doing.

>>60803774 (OP)
expensive energy
excessive taxation
extremely high labour costs (because of excessive taxation)
just build in eastern or southern europe and you will get cheaper labour and energy while still being in the common market

>>60809359
I don’t know if you’re an unironic paid russian shill or just a schizo, but before this war Russia was seen as a power who almost rivaled USA. Now they can’t take one small nation with lukewarm western support. Russia is killing it’s whole young male population, the last strips of it’s power are gone after this war. You could have tried to became closer to EU and increased the living quality of Russians, you know actually helping the common russian man. Instead you chose this.

>>60809359
i don't mind this and will not be fighting in the upcoming war. fuck the west and their trooning and money first ideologies

>>60809038
>ireland
>2
wtf is wrong with those potato niggers?

>>60809851
I find I absolutely rich that you are calling me crazy when a simple review of your posts shows how unhinged you are. As an example you have used the term "buttfucked" multiple times when there was absolutely no reason to. You clearly have some deeply rooted mental issues. Moreover you are incredibly stupid, reducing the events of a complex world to complete oversimplifications such as evil and "dumb as fuck." The West has provided hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine, logistics, specialists, reconnaissance, intelligence. Not to mention the sanctions that have been imposed on Russia. I don't know what world you live in calling all of that lukewarm support. Russia was more than happy to trade with Europe but it is the Europeans who decided to blow that up, quite literally - see Nord Stream. Russia will just trade with China, India and the rest of the world, while Europe stagnates and crumbles under the weight of its utter stupidity. Rather than pursuing economic prosperity Europe has more important matters to attend to, such as sending undercover women cops to catch men who catcall women and producing documentaries about evil white teenage boys. You are a perfect microcosm of what Europe has become: insane, unhinged and utterly imbecelic. Go seek help.

>>60810121
> be russia
> Everything is to shit
> everything is corrupt have to pay local oligarch with cheapened labor to buy vodka, and then bribe local gangs so they dont steal my vodka
> population, power , and gdp dwindling
> refuse to modernize or become democratic because reasons
> remember golden days
> bright idea to take over ukraine because they should suffer like us
> make sure it is 3 day special operation
> years later still fighting war
> losing proxy war with west to an enemy that is 1/4 the population
> surprised when ukraine is able to fend off attacks with outdated rusting equipment
> destroy Russian economy
> destroy future Russian population
> reminded that russia is a failed state
> reminded that russia has no real military power anymore
> quick let me remind them they have trannies
Top kek,

>>60807988
Germany is a castrated vassal of US, US is a vassal of a bunch of international kikes running the (shit)show.

>>60808199
Oh yes EV fucks them right in the ass since EVs have less moving parts to be produced. China but also other nations could start pumping them out en mass because the barrier of entry is much, much lower. China will always be more competitive since they ignore safety and health risks completely on most of their products. That reduces the prices of their goods tremendously. People generally don't care about the lower quality since they are on limited budgets.

>>60805980
EU being happy bitches to US is a major threat to Russia. They gladly sacrifice millions of their population (cattle) if US demands it. Germany even went all in on importing Turks, Syrians and a lot of other shit people since US demanded it. Then after US did cultural victory laps as the Germans were happy with the imposed cultural imperialism.

>>60807485
>I haven’t met a single Ukrainian who didn’t support Maidan

Then you meet drooling retards who might as well have been used as fodder. Almost all of the ones I spoke here in ''the west'' loathe their ultra corrupt hell country. There's a reason they're not on the frontlines getting slaughtered for US economic interests.

>>60807502
They don't even need to slut or whore themselves out they get a prio place for social housing and a gov payout for being ukranian. If you'd speak fluent russian I'm sure you could go from country to country and exploit their benefits. I know one whore with a kid who got a detached house here in the Netherlands. Why? I don't know, most of the pop couldn't even afford that house.

>>60810173
> reminded that russia has no real military power anymore

10k nuclear missiles. They can even hit whatever shit village you posted this insanely retarded comment from. Try not to drool all over your keyboard next time.

>>60810121
At this point i’m convinced you are a troll. You didn’t answer my point of Russia having slaughtered their male youth population. And they did that to stop a country from joining EU, and then wonder why EU doesn’t want to trade with them.

>>60810190
>>60810222
Wow almost everything you posted is just complete chud drivel. Looks like even netherlands has it’s low iq population that is easily swayed by foreign propaganda.

>>60810173
So you decided to post a wall of green text to show all of us that you're a retard? Interesting approach
>>60810224
>slaughtered their make youth population
That didn't happen. You can make things up all day long. Doesn't make them true. Also, you make no points. You just rant and rave like a deranged lunatic making wild proclamations that have no basis in reality.
>to stop a country from joining the EU
No, to stop them from joining NATO. That country also happens to be right on Russia's border (the most vulnerable part of its border) which would allow NATO troop and military build up along with increased first strike capabilities against Moscow.

>>60810372
Yeah you’re just spouting complete non-sense now, i’m out. Enjoy getting poorer you sub-human, i guess.

>>60810222
Soviet era nucs that is questionable if they even work . Top kek. Cant even win a half ass proxy was with the west . No wonder your men drink themselves to death.
>>60810372
So you decided to not reapond to anything . Lol kys

>>60810402
Respond to what exactly?

>>60810428
Dont worry comrade , dont trouble yourself with logical thought or argumentation. Mother russia will thrive again after the population collapses . Top kek , you people are morons , no wonder you cant take ukraine .

>>60803780
Simple as

>>60805998
Ukraine accession doesn't benefit NATO and OP just mentioned one excellent example why.

You might argue that Ukrainians make for cheap cannon fodder. To provide cheap cannon fodder is indeed about the only thing Ukraine is good for. But then the question arises: for what does the US need a large supply of cheap cannon fodder based right on Russia's border, rather than just having a wide neutral buffer zone?

Russia's response was completely predictable. Keep in mind that the only difference between a "defensive alliance" and an "offensive alliance" is one false flag. Putin, if anyone, knows everything about false flags.

Putin did not want this war, and we can see this because he first tried everything else. After Ukraine's 2008 NATO application, first Putin used diplomacy to get Merkel and Sarkozy to temporarily veto Ukraine's accession, but that was only a temporary solution. Then he tried to outbid the US & co, and Yanukovych did accept Russia's 2013 offer, but then Yanukovych was overthrown. Putin then seized a slice of Ukraine to prevent NATO accession. But Ukraine then started development of powerful long-range missiles like Hrim-2 and Korshun which could reach Moscow, scheduled to begin mass production in 2022, which made the status quo untenable for Putin. It was probably not coincidental that early 2022 was when Putin decided to invade.

It would've been better for everyone involved if Ukraine had remained a neutral buffer state so that both sides could. It would have been better for the US too, because the sanctions and proxy war have both failed to destroy Russia and all they've achieved so far is to create hard-to-reverse antagonism and hand the most resource-rich country in the world to China on a silver platter as an ally.

>>60805998
Ukraine accession doesn't benefit NATO and OP just mentioned one excellent example why.

You might argue that Ukrainians make for cheap cannon fodder. To provide cheap cannon fodder is indeed about the only thing Ukraine is good for. But then the question arises: for what does the US need a large supply of cheap cannon fodder based right on Russia's border, rather than just having a wide neutral buffer zone?

Russia's response was completely predictable. Keep in mind that the only difference between a "defensive alliance" and an "offensive alliance" is one false flag. Putin, if anyone, knows everything about false flags.

Putin did not want this war, and we can see this because he first tried everything else. After Ukraine's 2008 NATO application, first Putin used diplomacy to get Merkel and Sarkozy to temporarily veto Ukraine's accession, but that was only a temporary solution. Then he tried to outbid the US & co, and Yanukovych did accept Russia's 2013 offer, but then Yanukovych was overthrown. Putin then seized a slice of Ukraine to prevent NATO accession. But Ukraine then started development of powerful long-range missiles like Hrim-2 and Korshun which could reach Moscow, scheduled to begin mass production in 2022, which made the status quo untenable for Putin. It was probably not coincidental that early 2022 was when Putin decided to invade.

It would've been better for everyone involved if Ukraine had remained a neutral buffer state. It would have been better for the US too, because the sanctions and proxy war have both failed to destroy Russia and all they've achieved so far is to create hard-to-reverse antagonism and hand the most resource-rich country in the world to China on a silver platter as an ally.

>>60811100
Very well thought out response anon. Unfortunately not a word of it will permeate that retard's head. Can't wait to see what word salad he comes back with though.

>>60805440
> thousand year history of imperialism
people like you
> invades poland
people
> invades balkans
people like
> invades afghanistan
are why
> invades moldova
> invades georgia
people like you
> invades ukraine
are why
> invades ukraine again

>>60804750
Syrian war is over. Surely they are heading back to rebuild the glorious country they loved so much.

>>60805300
The central point is immigration. But you think you will ge tsomewhere telling people who think clean air matters and buying cheap shit made by children in SE Asian sweatshops is okay, and most laughably, that buying Russian oil isn't paying for drones bombing Ukraine.

>>60805440
Two wrongs don't make a right. The russian position is totally untenable and you know it. Thats why your arguments are all over the place.

Either you believe in a concept of sovereignty or you don't. Clearly you think Russia should just be able to tell other sovereign states what their policies are, just like you think you can just tell people what to think.

>>60811100
>Putin did not want this war, and we can see this because he first tried everything else.

Another missile hit a kid's playground today.

did you buy your Russian flag, and run it up the flagpole in front of your house? You're a piece of shit and none of your shitty arguments make any sense. It's a bunch of post hoc, rationalizing, whitewashing bullshit and you know it.

>>60810224
>You didn’t answer my point of Russia having slaughtered their male youth population
Anon are you retarded? Russia took over million people from Ukraine in this war. And over 2 million from Crimea in 2014. The population of Russia increased in the past 20 years, not decreased. You could've googled that in 5 seconds. Or you could've just used your brain and realized that Mariupol wasn't empty when Russia came and took it.

>>60812024
As I stated, Ukraine can seek NATO membership and Russia can object. It can do so diplomatically, economically or militarily. Military action is always within the distribution of options to any nation state. Just because that reality offends your sensibilities doesn't mean the world stops working the way it does. I also reject your black and white premise of either you believe in the concept of sovereignty or your don't. As I also stated previously, it doesn't work that way. It is vastly more complicated than that. Does Iran have the sovereign right to enrich uranium? The United States certainly think it doesn't. Does Ethiopia have the sovereign right to build a dam on its land, cutting off the Nile rice Egypt, this threatening their water security? If Ethiopia proceeds, isnEgypt justified in military action against Ethiopia of lets say diplomacy fails? Also, me arguing my position is not me telling people what to think. And lastly, please tell exactly where my positions are all over the place. Please link to my previous replies abe quote me so I actually know what you're talking about.

>>60803774 (OP)
It's really weird predicting this decades ago and now seeing it happen

>>60812179
Unfortunately the anon you are replying to is a bonafide retard. Asking him to use his brain is problematic.

>>60811946
You have zero reading comprehension. I said lets examine what wars has Russia engaged in SINCE the dissolution of the USSR with outside nation states. You have just Georgia and Ukraine. Both stemming from the same root cause - to prevent these border nations states from entering into NATO. People keep saying that Russia is this aggressor and yet in the 35 years since the dissolution of the Soviet Union it has reacted militarily for one reason and one reason only - the expansion of NATO to its borders. Also, your post is neither witty nor clever. Just a midwit trying to be cute.

>>60812179
Nice try comrade! Total normal stuff. Next we invade china and count the Chinese !
https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/tragedy-after-catastrophe-demographic-impact-war-russia-and-ukraine

>>60810224
theres nothing wrong with that. a society doesn't need that many males and the west is the next in line to figure out what to do with their millions of excess men as there are no jobs for them and they fail to establish families

>>60812297
Man you are just downright evil, replying to this thread with these bullshit arguments for days. NATO hasn’t invaded Russia in any way since the fall of USSR. It poses minimal risk to Russia, nothing to justify invading a sovereign nation and killing it’s population. By that logic, the nations surrounding Russia should invade Russia because it poses a threat to them. That argument is way better justified because Russia keeps invading it’s neighbours, unlike NATO which has never invaded Russia.

>>60812665
>you are just downright evil
ad hominem
>bullshit arguments
and yet you havent addressed them have you? I posed two questions which are pertinent to the concept of sovereignty and does it truly exist in this pure idealised form. Does Iran have the right to enrich uranium? Why does America get to bomb their facilities? Does Ethiopia have a right to build a dam within its borders and restrict the flow of the Nile river into Egypt, threatening Egypt's water security? If Ethiopia does build this dam, would Egypt be justified to retaliate with a military response. These aren't one to one comparisons but they raise the complexity of what sovereignty truly means. Nothing is in a vacuum
>NATO hasn’t invaded Russia
It doesn't have to. A preemptive action is justified if the threat is credible.
>It poses minimal risk to Russia
That is your opinion. Doesn't mean it is correct. Also, tell to it Yugoslavia how benign NATO is.
>By that logic, the nations surrounding Russia should invade
As I've stated in a previous post, a military response is within every nation-state's set of options. It is after all why countries have armies. Armies are for defensive as well as offensive purposes. If some nation state feels that it is the right move for them to declare war on Russia then that is their right to do so. They havent not because of morality, but because lack of power.
>Russia keeps invading it’s neighbours
Here we go with this myth that Russia is this aggressor that just keeps invading its neighbors. I addressed this already. Since the fall of the Soviet Union Russia has executed military action against two countries - Georgia and the Ukraine. Both times the cause was to prevent these border countries from entering in NATO. Russia cannot allow NATO buildup along its borders. That would be akin to China building up its military and strike capabilities in Mexico along America's border. That would never be allowed to happen.

>>60812598
Your graph confirms what he said though. You can see a jump in population in 2014 and it is no about 2 million higher in the current year.

>>60812929
Russia population has been declining , its demographics are fairly fucked . Population is lower than peak , and population pyramid is also fucked. Counting a bunch of refugees from war doesnt mean shit when your young men are all dead . What i am waiting for is post war russia all the russian hotties are going to need men to bang . Heck they might even have to import jeet and Chinese men to repopulate . Top kek

>>60812988
It is true that the demographic situation here isn't good. The same applies to all of Europe and the US, probably to a greater degree, so I wouldn't gloat too much. However, the point made by the anon you replied to is reflected in the graph you posted, ie, Russia did experience an increase in population in 2014 by about 2 million due to annexation of Crimea. And since many of those people are slavs they are essentially the same people as Russians so referring to them as "war refugees" is a bit misleading.

>>60812988
Too many young men result in revolutions and wars and also makes women think they're more valuable than they are.
Your country should be ready to sacrifice two out of every three men in lethal exploration or war.

>>60812988
only capitalists need huge populations. people will be just fine even if theres a little bit less of them. actually they will do much better since we are far past the point where there is enough resources to everyone naturally

>>60803774 (OP)
Less Germans in Germany. That country is dead, average age of white male is like 45 there and now they have tons of turks, arabs, niggers and pajeets but they don't US resources. Germany will be in permanent decline and will never recover esp. against China.Jews will never allow Germany to rebuild again and it won't happen their blood is tainted now with nigger and arab blood.

>>60809113
>>60809851
>hes still going
>but before this war Russia was seen as a power who almost rivaled USA.
Lol what nigger? It was seen weaker then it is seen today.
>>60810224
>At this point i’m convinced you are a troll. You didn’t answer my point of Russia having slaughtered their male youth population.
You didnt convincingly answer any of my points back then>>60806945
>>60806958
>>60807435
>>60807502
>>60807546
, and russian deaths are mostly convicts aged around 40.
>YOU ALL ARE RUSSIAN BOTS
The absolute state of retarded german lefties

>>60812988
>young men are all dead

>>60809172
China still made no "deal" and while EU lowered their tariffs to 0% china kept them up. So what you say is retarded.

>>60813088
Sir are you dense ? Mass refuggee migration is not a solution to demographic challenges and only a temporary bandaid . Russian population has not been increasing it has been flat. You should read the think tank article i attached to get a measure of how bad it is.

>>60814937
>russian deaths are mostly convicts aged around 40.

Lmao sure Russia has 2 million convicts aged around 40.

And your points were fucking stupid "EU isn't democratic because media can influence people". Yeah no shit, media has influenced people since the foundation of democracies, as it always does. Modern democracies have been on a winning streak since they were first tried, i'd much rather have democracy than have Putin tell me to die in a war. Your points were so stupid that they weren't worth answering. You must be 16 or very uneducated.

>>60812886
In the case of Iran, not a single person died and no nation was annexed. Unless ethiopia meant to starve egypt, then no, military intervetion is morally wrong.

>A preemptive action is justified if the threat is credible.

The threat isn't credible, and even then a pre-emptive annexation isn't justified. Only defence in case of aggression.

>Both times the cause was to prevent these border countries from entering in NATO
As i said at the first post, this is just excuse propaganda as NATO poses no credible threat to Russia. Russia just wants to have power over it's neighbours because russians think that is cool (18th century thinking).

USA could think up some bullshit excuse how Mexico is threatening it trough drug trade or something and "pre-emptively invade it", but it doesn't because that is against morals. So there goes your might makes right argument. Other powerful countries do follow morals more than Russia.

>>60814991
I meant the threat of nato attacking Russia isn't credible.

>>60814991
So just because no one died when the US bombed Iran's enrichment facilities that means it was not a violation of their sovereignty? What a preposterous position to take. America is actively, through the use of military force, preventing Iran from enriching uranium on their soil. And the US has explicitly stated that that is what they are seeking to achieve. America is actively dictating to Iran what they can and can't do on their own soil. That is as clear a violation of a nation's sovereignty as I can see. As for the Egypt Ethiopia question, it doesn't matter what Ethiopia intends when bulding the dam. The consequence is all the same. Bulding the dam will reduce the flow of the Nile river into Egypt. Egypt heavily relies on the Nile for their water security. What does it matter what intention the Ethiopians have? Their actions have tangible consequences for the Egyptians. So Egypt is to just sit by and do nothing because of a lack of intention? Sure lets not have access to water because the Ethiopians had the right intentions. Do you even hear yourself? Its amusing to me. You stated that my arguments were all over the place and yet it is your reasoning which is inconsistent and fluid. But projection of one's own short comings onto others is frequently the choice of a feeble mind.
>USA could think up some bullshit excuse how Mexico is threatening it trough drug trade or something and "pre-emptively invade it"
And yet that is exactly what they are doing. Have you not seen the multitude of articles about America considering military action against the cartels. Which are proped up by the CIA in many cases. Just lol.

>>60814981
The only dense one here is you. I never said that refugee migration is a solution to demographics. I simply reiterated the point that the other anon made, which is that the annexation of Crimea did indeed bump up Russia's population by about to million. This was confirmed by the graph that was posted. I made no other argument beyond that. People like you are so desperate to be "correct" that you ignore what is being said and fabricate positions to argue against in your own mind, ie, a strawman.

I think the move for any intelligent German is obvious. Sell your crypto for 0% tax and leave the country. TPTB obviously love Germans and have created this set of circumstances to save (some of) you.

>>60814994
They clearly want to neutralize russian second strike capability and once they done this they can do everything. Dont be a retard.
>2 million died
Kek retard you must be baiting there is no way you believe this (the real number is around 300k max)

>>60814991
>And your points were fucking stupid "EU isn't democratic because media can influence people". Yeah no shit, media has influenced people since the foundation of democracies, as it always does. Modern democracies have been on a winning streak since they were first tried, i'd much rather have democracy than have Putin tell me to die in a war. Your points were so stupid that they weren't worth answering. You must be 16 or very uneducated.
The point is they are doing white genocide. (russia does it too but not actively and much slower) Thats much worse then sending a few million mne to a war.

>>60815168
You claim that russia does not have a demographic problem, you claim that they have not lost essentially a large portion of men that would repopulate their next generation. You claim that their population has been growing. All of those are false . Go kys you russian bot.

>2 million died
Kek retard you must be baiting there is no way you believe this (the real number is around 300k max)
Was ment to
>>60814991
Btw you still ignore my points that its a power struggle between nato and russia/china while you lay exclusively blame on the defensive side (check nato expansion)

>>60816549
>lost essentially a large portion of men that would repopulate their next generation
Their average age of death in ukraine is around 40, check any prisoner exchanges. Also all modern states have a men surplus, its not that they have a problem with too little men like he said. >>60812630

>>60803780
First post answered the question, every other post is irrelevant.

>>60816551
Bro your epic rhetoric tricks (calling the aggressor defender) aren't impressing anyone.

>>60816549
Even the pro ukraine sources admit its mostly men over 40
>most of the killed Russians are aged over 40, with little combat experience and special training.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/20/7476073/

>>60816576
LOOK UP NATO EXPANSION ffs
Ckearly they are the imperialists trying to control the world
This whole war was a defensive operation in reaction to maidan and nato expansion by russia

>>60805440
>It's your fault we invaded those countries

>>60806566
>which is why we see Russia and China flex their muscles
Kek all I see is russia get its ass blased and exposed as a laughing stock of the world by ukraine armed with military surplus. You lost your flagship a country without a navy. Holly FUCK

>>60816623
Literally yes.
>>60816677
Jewish minset.

>>60816549
>It is true that the demographic situation here isn't good
Literally the first sentence of my post here >>60813088. You are an absolute imbecile and you have the reading comprehension of a jogger. It is you who should kill himself. The demographic issue in Russia stems from below replacement birthrates not from the war by the way. Same as with the US and the rest of Europe. Now please rid the world of yourself. It will truly become a better place if you do. If only just marginally.

>>60816623
Russia invaded Georgia and Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO, yes. Russia doesn't want NATO on its borders. Unfortunately the only way they can achieve that is through military means. Diplomacy clearly doesn't work with the West. They are dead set on this. What are you having a hard time understanding?
>all I see is russia get its ass blased and exposed as a laughing stock of the world
I believe that it is real in your mind, sure. But out here in the objective world none of this is happening.

>>60817069
>But out here in the objective world none of this is happening.
Ziggers have been dying in slap stick comedy deaths since this war started.

>>60817152
In addition to bathtub side car we also got irl mad max buzzard loafs.

I had "zigger dying on a unicycle" on my bingo sheet so I'm counting this.

Damn Russians truly are subhuman retards. Niggers in white skin.