Thread 60806591

Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

Monero payments are anonymous, low-fee by design and fully fungible, meaning users can send XMR globally without issue and receive XMR without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain. Thus by default, the TX history of all Monero users is kept hidden from the prying eyes of adversaries, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

Monero algorithmically ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

Monero's bespoke mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

Monero's tail emission - 0.6 XMR every block forever - financially incentives for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation asymptotically trends to zero and is offset somewhat by a steady rate of coin loss.

Monero has thus far proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. Monero is now also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well. See below.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.


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>MINING
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>Desktop
Official GUI/CLI
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>Mobile
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***** DISCLAIMER *****

The creator of this thread actively discourages holding Monero. We, the broader community of Monero, do not agree with him. Buying and holding Monero is a completely legitimate way to participate in the protocol, and we encourage you to save your wealth in XMR.

XMR is THE best store of value in the world. Not only is it highly scarce, it is entirely untraceable by any third party. No other store of value, including Bitcoin, provides the ability to anonymously hold your wealth anywhere in the world. Armed with only your seed phrase, you can literally take your private bank account anywhere without the consent or permission of anyone. It is like having an invisible stockpile of gold only you know about.

Privacy will be increasingly rare in the coming years, but the supply of Monero will barely increase. Many people understand that Monero represents the most undervalued asset in the world.

START MINING IN P2POOL
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>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

***ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER***

The creator of this thread has been credibly accused of being a federal agent. He actively pushes all potential holders of Monero away unless they agree with only using XMR in bartering scenarios. He will use straw manning tactics against anyone who advocates for saving their wealth in XMR. Anyone suggesting that Monero can preserve and hide their wealth will be called a "grifter", "moonfag", or any of several other slurs intended to end the conversation.

These tactics support the state apparatus directly by denying Monero the notoriety it deserves. Widespread use of Monero, especially through wealth preservation, starves the state of key financial information and tax farming. Pretending there is only one "legitimate" use of Monero (bake sales at Porcfest) while shunning any other uses foments fake division, a favorite strategy of the intelligence community.

Remember that many authors (W. Rees-Mogg, The Sovereign Individual) predict that states will get increasingly "nasty" as private currencies threaten their power of surveillance. The OP has strategically installed himself as the self-appointed "leader" of Monero on this board, but has no such authority to tell you how to use the best currency ever invented.

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
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>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
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>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
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>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
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>51% attacked
Lol

QUBIC IS LYING
>QUBIC IS LYING
QUBIC IS LYING
>QUBIC IS LYING

They do not have over 50% of the network's hashrate. Their entire attack plan is to convince miners that they *are* capable of pulling off a 51% attack, and to use the threat of lost profits to make miners switch from other pools to theirs. If they are successful in this disinformation campaign, they might convince enough miners to switch so that they do actually have over 50% hashrate. Then, they actually could pull off a 51% attack.

In reality, qubic had roughly 35-40% of the network's hashrate at its height. At the time of writing, it has actually declined to about 30%, but that's not the point. That's still a lot, but it's not nearly enough to do a 51% attack. As of right now, they'd need to increase their hashrate by 50% or more in order to be capable of a 51% attack.

Qubic was using a technique called selfish mining, which is basically a technique that temporarily hides your mined blocks from the rest of the network in order to gain a competitive advantage. Using this strategy, you can mine a lot higher percentage of blocks than you could by mining fairly. This is how they were able to mine the majority of blocks for a period during their previous "mining marathon" despite not having the majority of the network's hashrate. Here is a more detailed explanation: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1311.0243

According to MiningPoolStats and XMRWatch, at the time of Qubic supposedly surpassing 50% of the network's hashrate, all of the known non-Qubic monero pools have a combined hashrate of about 4 GH/s. You can verify this, though it may take some time, by manually adding up each pool's hashrate. In contrast, per Jetskipool and QubicDesciple, Qubic had about 2.5 GH/s. Meaning that Qubic had roughly 38% of the network's total hashpower (~6.5 GH/s) at that time. Even with a minority of hashrate, selfish mining still allows them way more blocks than expected, especially when they get lucky (picrel).

>>>>>>REMINDER<<<<<<

THE CULTURE OF MONERO STARTS WITH YOU. YES YOU.

If you think OP is a faggot.
If you think saving your Monero is just as important as spending it on bake sales.
If you think OP is making Monero obscure intentionally and alienating normies.

SPEAK UP. CALL HIM OUT.

The culture of Monero is what YOU allow it to be. If you won’t call bakecels out on their faggotry, everyone is going to think this coin is full of a bunch of losers.

IT STARTS WITH YOU

QUBIC IS LYING
>QUBIC IS LYING
QUBIC IS LYING
>QUBIC IS LYING

As for why sites like Jetskipool were showing >50% network share at that time, their calculated total network hashrate (less than 5 GH/s) was inaccurate for two reasons.

First, that total is a moving average, and takes time to adjust when they turned their miners back on, meaning that the estimate was much lower (and their percentage much higher) than it actually was.

Secondly, and more importantly, due to selfish mining, a lot of both Qubic and non-Qubic blocks were never included in the blockchain due to failed or successful selfish mining incidents, respectively. Since they were never included in the blockchain, these blocks' work is not added to the total estimated network hashrate, again making their share of the network's total hashrate appear much higher than it actually was.

The Qubic devs are aware of these factors, but their attack relies on people not knowing this. Sites like these are what they use to lie. It's all part of their scare tactic.

Don't fall for it.

>>60806599
can you stop dilating every thread regardless of whether holding monero is great or not

>>60806599
>>60806607
>>60806635

kek

>>60806645
Say it to OP too. If he stops I will

>>60806648
unlike you OP doesn't dilate

>>60806654
Fed

>>60806654
>unlike you OP doesn't dilate

Man, you really are desperate to get your bags pumped ASAP, huh?

>>60806666
say that to >>60806599

>>60806666

Oops, meant for >>60806648

>>60806676
>>60806675
>>60806666
So happy we’re 20 posts in already and haven’t fucking said anything. Nice thread OP

>>60806675

Yeah, thread moved so fast I dun goofed!

>>60806683
>So happy we’re 20 posts in already and haven’t fucking said anything. Nice thread OP

Well, why don't you start?

SOAT posted his thoughts on queerbait & Monero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2fD_Mn4lU

>>60806599
>>60806607
>>60806635
Yep, monero should become a widespread means of payment without compromising its privacy instead of doing everything to keep this infantile image of "le cool cypherpunk underground cryptocoin, gubernment won't get me hehe" that only makes the network easier to take down and creates a false narrative of a coin that only criminals use.

can pic rel be mitigated if the nodes choose the chain with the least amount of empty blocks AND with the most known txs ? by known txs I mean ones coming from the mempool

>>60806712
>becoming widespread
>not compromising privacy
choose one
most people don't care about privacy and they never will because they are niggercattle.
The "infantile" "fuck the governement and taxes" mindset is what keeps monero from (((complying)))

>>60806712
Get fucked, you grovelling cunt. All moonkikes trying to water down Monero's uncompromising cypherpunk ethos and culture will get the rope. No exceptions.

>>60806788
>All moonkikes trying to water down Monero's uncompromising cypherpunk ethos and culture will get the rope. No exceptions.
Doesn't make sense. You are just spouting absolutist slogans, not arguments. There is no conversation to be had with you.

>>60806753
>choose one
Only when it comes to companies using it. For p2p, if you provide a convenient way of obtaining monero, and a convenient way of using it to buy and sell everyday things, people will use it. Simply because it is convenient and provides a unique feature - ability to not pay taxes. That feature is something that makes privacy concerns worth it for small businesses with a constant stream of orders.
The darknet and a complex chain of actions needed to obtain monero do not satisfy any of those usability requirements.
>The "infantile" "fuck the governement and taxes" mindset is what keeps monero from (((complying)))
This is not the image I was talking about. Healthy concerns about surveillance and control are necessary, but they should not be taken to the point where the project is just a funny proof of concept for a bunch of nerds or criminals to use.

>>60806788
>reeeee cypherpunk!1 reee how dare you I'd die for my ideals even if it means nobody uses monero!
Take your meds, schizo. Or better yet, get the fuck out this thread, you're not contributing anything meaningful.

>>60806797
Monero is the final solution to kosher glowniggerfaggots like you.

>>60806821
You don't belong. Everyone can tell that you're a man pretending to be a woman. The only 51% I look forward to is your addition to the troon statistic.

>>60805424
MONERO WINS

>>60805688
>Monero is le hard
Then go wage somewhere else, poor.

>>60806565
>XMR needs NGU. IT JUST DOES OK?!
KYS glow troon.

>>60806915
>Monero is the final solution to kosher glowniggerfaggots like you.
kek. you are using my slogan, so be think of who put that in your mouth lil buddy

>>60806915
>classic last-resort troon "argument"
I'll take it as your capitulation.

>>60806797
>>60806821
Don't play dumb, you slimy fucking snakes. I've been watching you niggers crawl out of the woodwork.You think you're clever, dressing up the language of "adoption" and "legitimacy" to smuggle in your real agenda -> neutering Monero's culture of spending and not living under the kike boot in favor of the same dead hoarding cult that hollowed out Bitcoin. You want to transform a currency born of cypherpunk defiance into another passive asset for people too cowardly to use it, too timid to transact, too materialist to see beyond their shitcoin portfolio. You clearly dream of Monero the digital gold, Monero the hedge fund darling, Monero the shiny thing on Coinbase.

Not on our fucking watch.

Monero's DNA is uncompromising privacy, censorship resistance and usability in the gray zones where freedom actually matters. It is not and never will be the pet rock of Jew wealth managers. It was built to move, to grease the gears of underground trade, to shield people from surveillance, to enable free exchange in hostile environments. That is the fucking culture: pro-spending, pro-entrepreneur, pro-use. Hoarding is not resistance, it's self-serving moonfaggotry, period.

Make no mistake. This project will not indulge your retarded lambo fantasies. We know where that road leads, we watched Bitcoin die that way. You want to sell out and cash in? Fine, but you ain't dragging Monero down with you.

Monero will remain what it is meant to be: uncucked, uncompromising p2p digital cash. We're all gonna make it but we're gonna make it because Monero will become the most sought after crypto on the planet on account of its utility. And if you don't like it, there are a thousand moonfag coins out there already waiting for you. Go worship their charts. Fuck off to Zcash and leave Monero alone.

>>60806811
Yes I agree it would be neat if monero became easy to buy (anywhere, for the average guy) and easy to transact with in real time (already kind of possible without layer 2 if you just pay a "high" fee), to the point where normal people & small businesses would actually transact with it.
However for now cash does that better so I don't think we'll see in-person monero transactions until they ban cash.
About Monero's image, I don't know if it really filters people. I think this >>60807005 is great

Aaaand I'm back

>>60805878
None of the things in this post have anything to do with the point I was making here >>60805740 which is:
>Trying to compare censorship resistance between XMR and BTC isn't fair since the risk profiles are so radically different.
but it was so retarded I had to address it anyway in case anyone else believes this shit

>If governments can choke it then, by definition, it is permissioned at the infrastructure layer.
The most profitable option =! The only option
At the end of the day you don't need ASICs to mine. Any of us can uninstall gupax and mine Bitcoin on our spare laptops if we wanted, and no one could stop you. Bitmain doesn't stop you from mining Bitcoin anymore than Newmont stops starving Africans from fishing gold out of the river

>States don't protect things out of some altruistic balance-of-hashpower theory. They protect what serves their interests.
Correct. The fact that everyone and their mothers are trying to add Bitcoin to their balance sheets to recapitalize their failing monetary infrastructure is proof enough that it's in their best interest.

>But if Bitcoin undermines capital controls
Kinda hard to do this on a chain where everything is traceable

>facilitates sanctions evasion
See above

>or destabilizes energy policy
This is a psyop that isn't applicable to just bitcoin. All PoW rescues energy that otherwise would have been lost to ground. It also encourages people to go nuclear(the cleanest energy currently) so they have lower energy cost production. The idea that it's somehow energy negative is a narrative promoted by Greentards who want you to heat your home with deer turds because it's "good for the environment"; you parroting this is concerning.

>Expecting sovereign states to engage in a Cold War-style hashrate arms race to "defend" Bitcoin is pure fantasy.
Except that's literally how it played out in the cold war. Humans always want to peacock to each other that they're big and strong

>>60807005
kek. meds.

>>60807038
democracies should not have those things anway. sanctions and controls only make it hard for the average guy to help his friend but will not stop state actors from doing the needful

>>60806683
You niggers can't post your guides in pastebins like every other general?

>>60806753
It's funny how people complain about muh normies not being able to use Monero because it's delisted. Like... if that's your thinking, go use literally every other coin. Also there is a lot more to money than normies. We're not even in normie territory until we're almost top 10. If they can't even go to a website to swap to monero (something memecoiners have been doing no problem) then I don't think we can accommodate them, sorry.

>>60806712
I'm sure if we put a giant "We're normie friendly!" sign on Monero without cucking out on privacy the governments will suddenly love it and exchanges will list it and all normies will suddenly start buying it. On the other hand, there is a psychological value, but it should be addressed to people who are smart enough to go to Trocador/Cakewallet and swap to Monero. Trying to appease clueless random normies at this stage is almost worthless.

>>60806811
There is also a huge advantage to Monero (and Tor) in that it reduces liability from bad customers. If you're a small honest business, anonymous money is very good. It will drastically reduce your chances in getting tangled in bad customer's shit that has nothing to do with you or your business.

Monero is dumb money. It doesn't know or care where it came from and where it's going. Dumb money is good.

>>60806601
You should just ask people to mine via XMRig with the most simple install and concepts imaginable. Getting 51%'d and you're still prioritizing esoteric nerd shit

>>60806612
Do we really need paragraphs of cope about Zcash and Bitcoin? Fix the plank in your own eye first

>>60806619
I don't care about drugs. I care about making money and using that money to build houses.

>>60806629
>Only 38% from a single autist guys, nothing to worry about here. No matter if he gets CIA backing

>>60806646
>>60806666
GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT! GAY REACT IMAGE ALERT!

>>60806753
If you ask someone "would you prefer it if Facebook didn't spy on you" they'd answer yes. The problem isn't they don't care, the problem is you make it an esoteric nerds only club, get preachy and insufferable whenever the topic comes up, so people tell you they don't care about privacy so you'll go away.

>>60807120
>If they can't even go to a website to swap to monero (something memecoiners have been doing no problem) then I don't think we can accommodate them, sorry.
I agree.
The only reason i entertain the idea is because without normalfaggots Monero will remain just an underground crypto you use to buy drugs and cp. So until normalfaggots learn how to buy and use monero (and until cash is banned) then monero will stay that

>>60807051
>democracies should
Stop caring about what democracies should or shouldn't do or how you think the world should be. That's the entire reason Monero is having a hard time, the devs put their ideology above reality and economic incentives

>>60807164
>If you ask someone "would you prefer it if Facebook didn't spy on you" they'd answer yes
they'd answer yes and then still not give a shit, because they're niggercattle and love paying taxes

>>60806924
That's not how turnabout works, you genetic failure.
>>60806981
You do know that there really is just one type of person on the internet that will, when called a genetic dead-end, claim victory in an argument? That's literally what invalidates anything you can ever say rhetorically, you're too stupid to take seriously when you don't even know how your dick and asshole are supposed to be used. You don't belong here, like you don't belong in a woman's bathroom.

MONERO WINS

>>60807181
lol

>>60807181
Stop crashing out and take your meds, you're soon gonna start looking for troons under your bed.

I have over 700 XMR and if the anti-moonboys prevent me from retiring off of that in a few years I will hunt every single one of you down you fucking faggots I have been in this horrible industry for 10 fucking years and I finally got in early on a massive moon mission I WILL NOT LET YOU STOP THIS

>>60807005
It all sounds convincing until
>That is the fucking culture: pro-spending, pro-entrepreneur, pro-use
Just like I said before, you're living in a fantasy world not willing to accept that you're an autistic paranoid nerd that doesn't look at things through the lenses of a normal person. That makes it hard for you to see that monero is anything but pro-spending, pro-entrepreneur and pro-use. Nobody except for darknet criminals is using monero unironically, few enthusiasts skilled enough to do it don't really make any difference.
>>60807034
Again, I'm not against privacy features of monero at all. What I'm against are brainwashed idiots like >>60807005 who don't even see the contradiction in their own words because of the maximalist cypherpunk ideology that actually hurts monero adoption in the end.

>>60807120
maybe get some monero stickers and slap them in public places like others do for all kinds of random shit

>>60806753
>choose one
>most people don't care about privacy and they never will because they are niggercattle.
Then we don't have to chose one.

>>60807038
>Any of us can uninstall gupax and mine Bitcoin on our spare laptops if we wanted, and no one could stop you.

And you'd be be getting a vastly diminished hashrate, drastically weakening current network security and making a 51% attack more feasible. >>60805587

>Correct. The fact that everyone and their mothers are trying to add Bitcoin to their balance sheets to recapitalize their failing monetary infrastructure is proof enough that it's in their best interest.

lol wishful thinking masquerading as logic. OK, lets see....first, you overstate the scope of BTC hoarding. In practice, it's a handful of corps (MicroTragedy, some ETFs, a couple hedge funds) and a few opportunistic politicians playing to the crypto crowd. Most central banks, sovereign wealth funds and treasuries, the *actual* balance sheets that matter, have *zero* BTC exposure. The idea that governments worldwide are scrambling to recapitalize with BTC is fantasy born in Twitter echo chambers, not fiscal policy.

And even if governments were to hold BTC (don't hold your breath) that doesn't mean they'd lift a finger to defend miners if those miners crossed regulatory red lines. If the Treasury ever did hold BTC it would be just as quick to blacklist tainted addresses, enforce KYC choke points and demand compliance as it is with USD. Holding an asset doesn't magically exempt it from regulation, if anything it makes the leash tighter.

States protect what aligns with their political, economic and strategic priorities. If BTC is useful as a speculative toy that generates taxes, fine, they'll tolerate it. If it were to ever actually become a serious censorship resistant utility i.e. a vector for sanctions evasion, capital flight or undermining monetary sovereignty it would get the Monero treatment.

>>60807289
yes we do, either compromise on privacy so Monero can be listed on exchanges in an attempt to make it a widely used crypto.
Or keep it like this

>>60807038

cont.

If BTC only survives because nation-states add it to their balance sheets, then it isn't really "stateless money" at all, is it? No, then its just another reserve asset under political control. You're essentially conceding that BTC depends on the very institutions it was meant to displace, that BTC only survives as long as the State finds it convenient. The minute it isn't, the illusion of "protected by everyone's best interest" vanishes.

>Kinda hard to do this on a chain where everything is traceable
>>facilitates sanctions evasion
>See above

lol yes, that's how useless BTC actually is.


>promoted by Greentards who want you to heat your home with deer turds because it's "good for the environment"; you parroting this is concerning.

Not my sentiments, its how the State would frame it.


>Except that's literally how it played out in the cold war. Humans always want to peacock to each other that they're big and strong

lol another lazy analogy that crumbles instantly. The Cold War arms race was about existential military deterrence, nukes, missiles and global dominance, not subsidizing speculative spreadsheets full of volatile internet tokens. Governments don't "peacock" by burning terawatts to secure an asset that potentially undermines their own monetary sovereignty. They "peacock" with aircraft carriers, satellites and GDP growth. Pretending nation-states will treat BTC hashpower like nuclear stockpiles is not just absurd, it's a category error. BTC mining isn't national defense, it’s a business expense.

You really just keep underscoring how cucked BTC truly is, utterly dependent on Daddy Gubberment's concessions.

>>60807317
Where does it say that Bitcoin is supposed to replace or eliminate financial institutions? Even Hal Finney said there would be Bitcoin banks. Gold worked and the State adopted it, Bitcoin worked and the State is adopting it. Monero isn't working except for a niche audience and the State isn't adopting it. You're living in a fantasy. Either you get financialized and you win or you become inconsequential.

i hate the antimonero

>>60807403
>get financialized
This is unfortunately impossible because of the defining features of monero that make it valuable in the first place. Maybe the devs could play cat and mouse with the gov initially by introducing opt-in transparency, but that ship has sailed, monero is seen as a threat already.
However, adoption is still achievable through user-friendly dexes where one can swap monero and mainstream coins without installing any crap. This would be miles better than any currently existing onboarding option. Serai should achieve that, but it's not even in the testnet phase yet.
If that doesn't work, then nothing will, and monero will have to remain a niche coin used on the darknet.

>>60807403
>Where does it say that Bitcoin is supposed to replace or eliminate financial institutions?

Uh, in the Whitepaper.

>A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution

>Even Hal Finney said there would be Bitcoin banks.

Yes, Hal speculated that Bitcoin banks might emerge. But he never argued that ceding control to banks was the goal. His point was pragmatic: people might still choose custodians. That’s not an endorsement of "Bitcoin needs financial institutions to win," it’s a caution that human laziness could reintroduce them. Maxis twist it as if financialization was the intended endpoint, when in fact it was the failure mode.


>Gold worked and the State adopted it

Gold was monopolized, centralized and eventually confiscated (see FDR's gold ban). Bitcoin following that same arc (captured, financialized, surveilled), is not victory, it's capitulation. If your dream is to be digital gold 2.0 in the hands of BlackRock and Treasury custodians, you've already abandoned the cypherpunk ethos.


>Bitcoin worked and the State is adopting it.

BTC does nothing useful and is being abandoned for stablecoins and Monero. And no, the State sure as fuck isn't adopting it, its simply letting moonfags play around while taxing them.


>Monero isn't working except for a niche audience and the State isn't adopting it.

Monero is working exactly as intended for actual users and is consequently being treated as the threat it is. And lol at "muh State adoption", its almost as if you've never read the Crypto-Anarchist Manifesto.

>>60807403

>Either you get financialized and you win or you become inconsequential.

This is the mask slipping. "Winning", in this view, means becoming absorbed into the very system Bitcoin was designed to subvert. That isn't victory, it's betrayal. Monero's refusal to be "adopted" by the State is not weakness, it's the ENTIRE FUCKING point. The fact that XMR remains unpalatable to regulators and institutions is proof that it still serves the people who actually need privacy and censorship resistance, not just speculators chasing ETFs.

>>60807313
>either compromise on privacy so Monero can be listed on exchanges in an attempt to make it a widely used crypto
With FCMP++ this won't be an issue thanks to outgoing view keys. It'll be up to the community to make the arguments though.

>>60807451
It's not a mask, it's obvious and the end result of making realistic improvements to the world, rather than fantasizing about blowing it all up and accomplishing nothing.

The State's ability to print money without oversight is the cause of most evils in the world right now. Bitcoin forces money to be sound and auditable. Governments are greedy for it because it is also designed to go up. Fixing the state's relationship with money is vastly more important than engaging in a cypherpunk circlejerk and getting nowhere. Monero has empowered drug dealers. Bitcoin has empowered everyone to not be victims of the money printer. That's more than you've accomplished.

>>60807447
>Gold was eventually confiscated
Yes it was. Bitcoin can't be confiscated in the same way. It can be moved across borders and used for regulatory arbitrage for basically free. It improves all the weaknesses of gold while enforcing the same monetary soundness.
The State isn't opposed to Monero because it's privacy tech. If Monero was #1 in market cap, we both know they'd find a way to relax their regulations and adopt XMR. Because this isn't about regulatory capture, it's about greed. And without incentivizing people based on greed, the best Monero can hope for is to be a small niche in an otherwise totalitarian world. Which is overall still a shitty world.

>>60807288
Monero stickers are a thing and even a bit of a meme. Here's one in Afghanistan. There was a German guy in the community who unironically tried to create a Monero job platform or something in Afghanistan. I don't know the details but it's fucking insane(ly based). No idea what happened to it. Oh wait I found a link:
https://x.com/spirobel/status/1591350820708442112

Also there was a guy who would ship you a whole pack with a lot stickers for free or really cheap. Yeah do stickers.

>>60807237
>mfw my coin is not going up because anti-moonboys keep spending on goods and services so i hire hitmen on darknet to kill them but that means the coin is being used so i have to kill myself too but it's okay because now there are multiple people who are not longer spending monero and their wallets are burned making rest of the coins go up in value

>>60807311
Even if Bitcoin was completely embraced by the governments, they would still hate Monero and Monero would still be valuable, arguably more so.

If crypto won today, Monero will be still needed.
If crypto lost today, Monero will be still needed.
If crypto remains in a gray zone, Monero will be still needed.

>>60807317
I expect if Monero wins, even governments will hold it, even if secretly. Secretly might be for the better. Not too much normie cattle noise is better.

>>60807403
What you are describing is Bitcoin's door to kick. Monero can live in Bitcoins shadow pretty good. (And still get fuckton more valuable and spendable)
If Bitcoin makes us truly become a crypto immersed world, Monero would move in to capture the dark money which is worth many trillions. Even capturing a small portion of the global dark money pie would mean us making it. And more and more other cryptos get cucked, the more we take over.
Bitcoin is the incomplete initial version we're pushing as the trojan horse.

>>60807607
Bitcoin hasn't accomplished much of that. It's correlated to the stock market. Just buy stocks then. It's a risk-on asset that dumps in bad times when you need the money the most to buy up assets. So it's not even money. It has not one bit took over the dollar as a form of currency. The dollar is being printed and it's what's being used. The dollar even took over crypto itself in the form of stables. Bitcoin was a pretty good savings account from the fact that it was still massively growing. That growth is tapering out. I'm not saying it's the end but it's nowhere near taking over the fiat. I blame Bitcoin's lack of privacy and its high fees for this.

>>60807634
I'm not out to save the world. Most of people are genetically programmed to be against being saved. They will fight you if you tried. So that commie society fixing shit doesn't work. What we can do is carve our world where we're not getting bothered. Maybe that eventually can take over.

is there any site like a faucet or tasks site where ppl can get paid in XMR for their freelancing? I would like to get started in xmr but have no money to invest

>>60807253
>That makes it hard for you to see that monero is anything but pro-spending, pro-entrepreneur and pro-use. Nobody except for darknet criminals is using monero unironically, few enthusiasts skilled enough to do it don't really make any difference.
Baby steps, moonkike. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither shall the circular economy be. Maybe if you stopped being such a lazy nigger and actually helped grow the damn thing we'd get there sooner.

>>60807811
You're being cool about it, I appreciate the reasoned reaponse. I'm so used to the rhetoric itt where Bitcoin is a psyopped government scam that is going to zero in two more weeks when Tether explodes that I tend to be equally antagonist to Monero in return. But in reality I think the two networks have their own target audiences, they both can coexist, and both improve people's lives.

My only gripe really is against OP pretending that Monero shouldn't be an investment, or price and the economic incentives for the security budget shouldn't be discussed. Monero is a valuable thing, that should be reflected in the price and miner profits.

I sincerely regret not buying a bag a year ago, made some quick cash with shitcoins back then and spent it all with vacations and whores before the year was out.

Hate my life so much.

>>60807311
>you overstate the scope of BTC hoarding
Maybe I did, but:
>MicroTragedy, some ETFs, a couple hedge funds
This is understating it

>If it were to ever actually become a serious censorship resistant utility i.e. a vector for sanctions evasion, capital flight or undermining monetary sovereignty it would get the Monero treatment.
And since it's not, as we've already confirmed, it's not exactly insane to assume that it's going to stay in the state's toolbox indefinitely

>>60807317
>If BTC only survives because nation-states add it to their balance sheets, then it isn't really "stateless money" at all, is it?
As long as anyone can buy/sell/trade for it, yes.

>You really just keep underscoring how cucked BTC truly is, utterly dependent on Daddy Gubberment's concessions.
I never claimed it wasn't. I only claimed that none of these things make it any less censorship resistant than XMR. This whole pubic shitshow is evidence of that. The community never put any effort into the security budget; everyone just lazily assumed maths would math and it would cost too much to mount a meaningful attack on the chain.

>Salesforce-Related Data Breach Affecting Multiple Companies
>They commented on law enforcement actions, mocking the seizure of the cryptocurrency exchange TradeOgre.....
https://archive.is/caGiQ

>>60807237
worst thing about anti-moonboys they are harmful for network security. higher price = highter hashrate = harder to attack
also
>disclosing

>>60807912
If I had the ability, I would have bought as many as possible after the big delistings, around $100

Peak buying opportunity of the last few years

>>60808106
Welp, I guess it's ogre

Crypto ATMs require KYC for large amounts but let you sell/withdraw without KYC for low amounts such as $100-900.
So can you make multiple low-amount withdrawals one after another to avoid KYC? Or does it go "you have to wait 2 hours to withdraw again"? Does it record your address to know if you've withdrawn more than X amount on a given day? What if you use Monero, so it doesn't know your address?

>>60808765
>thread drops to the bottom of the catalogue
>bumped by a 1pbtid "how do I do X" post for the hundredth time
Please shut off the thread bots

>>60807816
https://bounties.monero.social

In a first world country swapping to a payment coin is a difficult extra step
If the price won't go up while you're holding it, then you're just adding monero to the payment for no reason unless you need privacy
e.g. cash, monero, gift card, store payment
During the payment process if any information leaks then you don't have privacy anymore
This means the price of xmr needs to go up for xmr to win.
The supply of Monero and inflation rate are things to read about.

>>60809279
+2 for the moonboys

>>60807878
>one day everything will just work out on its own without any changes
Yeah, not happening. Keep dreaming.

>>60809279
>the price of xmr needs to go up
By any means necessary

>>60808850
Can you answer the questions?

>Sidekick
This program is really cool, being able to turn an old phone into a hardware wallet.
However, it doesn't have recovery seed capability, right? I guess you'll have to back up the encrypted wallet file in case of loss or robbery.

is everything back to normal? can I go back to buying drugs on the darket?

MONERO
GOTTA BUY THEM ALL

BUY MONERO TO PUMP THE PRICE
THERES SO FEW OF THEM WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE

BUY UP ALL THE SUPPLY MAKE IT MOON. DO IT NOW

>>60807607
>making realistic improvements to the world

Yeah, because moonfags totally care about making the world a better place. Gimme a fucking break, we both know you're only here to chase moons & lambos.

Moonfags pretending to really, truly care about BTC, Monero, whatever is really just a waste of energy. I actually respect the brutally honest lambo chasers for not fronting.


>Bitcoin forces money to be sound and auditable

Horseshit. Bitcoin doesn't "fix" money, it replaces fiat's inflation with a degree of volatility that makes Zimbabwe look stable. A sound currency is an UNTAINTABLE one you can spend and plan with, not one that swings 20% in a week. As for "auditable"? Sure, every transaction is traceable forever, which doesn't make it sound, it makes it a surveillance honeypot. That's exactly why regulators prefer BTC over Monero.


>Governments are greedy for it because it is also designed to go up

Oh look, another bullshit marketing narrative. Governments don't give a fuck about BTC, they tolerate it as long as it's useful for speculation and taxable gains. States want control, stability and seigniorage, BTC gives them none of that. The "designed to go up" line is literally just a marketing slogan to sucker rubes in, the delusion that volatility = destiny. You'll realize this eventually.


> Fixing the state's relationship with money is vastly more important

Cute slogan, but BTC doesn't fix the State's relationship with money, it cements it. By financializing BTC through ETFs, custodians and compliance chokepoints, the State has already domesticated it. Congratulations, you've rebuilt the exact same fiat order with extra steps. Meanwhile, cypherpunk tools like Monero actually create spaces where the State's control doesn't apply.


>Monero has empowered drug dealers. Bitcoin has empowered everyone
Translation: Monero empowers people the state doesn't like, Bitcoin empowers BlackRock, MicroTragedy, and a handful of whales.

>>60807634
>BTC can't be confiscated in the same way
lol try telling that to the countless owners of coins seized through centralized chokepoints, KYC exchanges or even outright legal compulsion. BTC doesn't beam itself across borders, it rides the same surveilled internet rails and regulated platforms states already control. One subpoena and your coins are suddenly tainted and subject to immediate seizure.

>It improves all the weaknesses of gold
No, it actually inherits them, with new ones bolted on. Sure, it's easier to transport than gold but it's also permanently traceable, trivially blacklisted, and every satoshi is scarred with history. At least when FDR confiscated gold he couldn't tell which coins had been in Al Capone's pocket. With BTC, every coin is subject to tainting. That ain't' "monetary soundness", that's surveillance-grade fragility.

>The State isn't opposed to Monero because it's privacy tech
This is delusion wrapped in cope. Regulators have explicitly cited Monero in delistings and blacklists precisely because it hinders surveillance. If Monero were #1 by market cap, the State wouldn't embrace it, they'd declare fucking war on it. That's why they prefer BTC: it gives them an audit trail, control points and the option to financialize it into tame instruments like ETFs. Monero is everything they fear: invisible, untraceable, uncontrollable.

>Without greed, Monero is doomed to a niche
Translation: freedom isn't enough, only speculation motivates. That says more about you than about Monero. Monero's "niche" is people who actually need censorship resistance to survive: dissidents, journalists, the unbanked, those living under authoritarian regimes and those wanting to go shopping for black/grey market goods & services. That "niche" is potentially hundreds of millions of people. If your definition of success is "Wall Street fee generator," then yes, Monero will never win by your standards, and thank God for that.

>>60807936
>Muh gubmint would never hurt BTC, muh gubmint needs BTC

Governments have no real use for BTC because it offers them nothing they don't already control. States already issue their own money, enforce its acceptance and manipulate supply to suit fiscal and political goals. BTC, on the other hand, doesn't scale as money and introduces instability they cannot control. At best, they tolerate it as a taxable commodity or an investment fad. At worst, they'll happily crush it at the chokepoints when it stops being convenient. Bitcoin isn't useful to governments, it's merely exploitable.


And you keep resorting to the "muh gubmint" fantasy because that's literally all you got left, you can't dispute that the BTC network could easily be crippled with just a few phone calls so here we are.

Par for the course though, maxipads just make shit up all the time lol

>>60809973
Mining Monero is good
Miners receive 0.6 XMR per block
Since the block reward is denominated in XMR, the price of XMR has a directl impact on mining profitability
If more miners mine Monero, that’s good
Miners will mine what’s profitable

Therefore, the price going up helps Monero.

This has been explained to you a million times before and you still act like you don’t get it. Because you’re a fed.

>>60809994
>Therefore, the price going up helps Monero.

No shit. And it will go up gradually.

>>60810001
Then stop ridiculing so called moonboys. They are just as aligned with the interests of Monero as your faggy bake sales

>>60810001
Also someone screen cap this and post it every time he calls out profit seeking as bad

>>60810012
>They are just as aligned with the interests of Monero

I legitimately laughed.


>>60810022
>Also someone screen cap this and post it every time he calls out profit seeking as bad

I've never claimed profit seeking is bad, you imbecile. Why the fuck do you think people start businesses?

>>60810029
>Why the fuck do you think people start businesses?
wow holy shit. finally you are coming around. now answer this: is it OK for monero miners to be profit seeking?

>>60810031
>is it OK for monero miners to be profit seeking?

lol of course. At least they are being productive and providing value.

>>60810049
holy fuck, did you hit your head somewhere. ohnonono this can't be you. what happened to "mining at a loss, for muh altruism"???

>>60810052
>"mining at a loss, for muh altruism"???

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can mine for profit and I can mine at an acceptable loss.

>>60810063
>The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can mine for profit and I can mine at an acceptable loss.
What should be the percentage-wise distribution of this? How many miners do you think should be forced to mine at an acceptable loss on the monero network?

>>60810067
>What should be the percentage-wise distribution of this?

Well.....

For-profit miners could be bribed to harm the network.

Pro-bono miners do it for her.

What do you think?


>How many miners do you think should be forced to mine at an acceptable loss on the monero network?

Forced? Nobody forces me to mine at an acceptable loss, I do it for the same reasons I donate to charity.

>>60810088
>Pro-bono miners do it for her.
Pro-bono miners are low in numbers and lack stronger financial incentive.

For-profit miners are already being "bribed" by the monero network's tail emission + transactionfees. If you want to keep the miners on the network, simply pay them better, or give them the idea that in the near future what they mine today will be worth a lot more (number go up).

>Nobody forces me to mine at an acceptable loss, I do it for the same reasons I donate to charity.
yeah a monetary network that directly challenges the far richer and far more powerful status quo cannot rely on people as if they are "donating to charity."

>>60806599
not to mention that the higher the price of monero the more difficult strong variations in price become.
High price means more price stability.
look at shitcoins, they are able to perform 1000% in 1 day, why? because the market cap is too low.

>>60810097
>>Pro-bono miners are low in numbers

That number isn't set in stone and should increase with more and more active users.


>and lack stronger financial incentive.

Pro-bono miners by definition aren't seeking financial compensation.


>For-profit miners are already being "bribed" by the monero network's tail emission + transactionfees.

Well, obviously the bribe in question would be a larger sum. Imagine another Pubic scenario where an attacker with very deep pockets is offering, say, 10x the block rewards to attack the network. Those mining purely for profit would be incentivized to switch sides while those mining altruistically wouldn't.


>simply pay them better, or give them the idea that in the near future what they mine today will be worth a lot more (number go up).

NGU is virtually guaranteed with greater adoption and therefore demand, I've repeatedly expressed my belief that XMR will hit 5 figures eventually.


>cannot rely on people as if they are "donating to charity."

Why not? We've just seen a flurry of users with a stake in Monero simply being there step up to donate CPU cycles in Monero-chan's hour of need. Scale this up to millions of eventual users and voila.

Having the security of the network depend primarily on for-profit miners makes it vulnerable to market volatility as well as bribery, the price drops drastically for whatever reason and down goes the hashrate.

The great thing about ideological miners is that they keep mining regardless of the price and can be relied upon in a Black Swan scenario.

Is there anything bad that could happen if I expose my p2pool port 3333 to wan so I can easily aim rented mining power to p2pool?

>>60810341
One time donations are not the same thing as consistent mining expenditures

>>60810368
i don't know but take precautions. you should have the node in an absolute shitbox with nothing more but the node, so in case of an attack nothing will be lost.

>>60810444
That container has nothing but moneroD (no keys) and the p2pool process.

I am also realizing that I already got the p2pool ports opened so it's already "exposed".

>>60810391
>One time donations are not the same thing as consistent mining expenditures

Large standing armies are unnecessary during peacetime.

In this scenario, for-profit & ideological miners = the standing army mining consistently while n00b altruists comprise the army reserve that only mines during active hostilities.

And that's something every potential attacker needs to take into consideration.

>>60809979
>>Muh gubmint would never hurt BTC, muh gubmint needs BTC
I never said they NEVER would, just that they won't.

>Governments have no real use for Bitcoin because it offers them nothing they don't already control
You're not about to argue that governments don't want more of what they already control, are you?

>you can't dispute that the BTC network could easily be crippled with just a few phone calls.
I never tried to dispute this, and as long as we live in a world where these phone calls are not taking place, it doesn't matter.

>>60806612
>>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
>https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill
Well, that was quite a read.
I had read some articles on Zcash and all of them said it was private and safe just like Monero.
That said, it still has a market cap of $800M and a volume of $80M, so it might be used for gambling and obfuscation, I guess.

>>60806612
>>60810727
On the other hand, the article says that a fork called Zclassic was made with actual privacy in mind, but it seems that its market and development are pretty much dead.

86ycHefcgJeiv83Yt1idujRfd1YeY6xtWFto4XJSrBKfDQ47HVcDRppJVJR31cyAp6WKVz7aQMPCkFz4ZToRbZwb86aad1K

Can someone throw me a dollar? I'm unironically a dollar short. Pretty please!

>>60810648
>as long as

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.


>>60810727
>I had read some articles on Zcash and all of them said it was private and safe just like Monero.

Z-fags write their own fluff pieces. Ask around about Zcash here and you'll get the full picture. It ain't pretty.

Also, be aware that ZEC is heavily shilled by turd world village feeders just like Pubic. Its basically a ghost chain running on fumes at this point.

Monero is finally getting a global anonymity set soon, leaving Z-cucks with no cards left to play. Other than muh compliance lol its doomed.

>>60810864
Based

>>60810562
That analogy doesn't make sense.

>>60810341
>Pro-bono miners by definition aren't seeking financial compensation.
Good they shouldn't get block rrwards then. We shouldn't dilute XMR supply.

>>60810864
>Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
Yes, same goes with your assumption about "pro bono miners" (jfc)

Have the retarded devs increased the fees yet to encourage more miners? or are they still in denial?

>>60811033
I think ArticMine is in denial. Listen to the last sunday's monerotopia on yt.

>>60810864
>Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

I'm glad you feel that way, since:

>>60810001
>it will go up gradually
>>60810341
>XMR will hit 5 figures eventually

These are wild assumptions considering that XMR struggles to stay above $400.

>>60811025
>Yes, same goes with your assumption about "pro bono miners" (jfc)

Yeah, because they're totally not a thing.

>>60806591 (OP)
hi im thinking of doing a monerochan archive on tor, just a gallery to hoard all monerochan related images, but i lost the mega link with most of them pictures... can someone send it

>>60811057
Yes lets get rid of block rewards and tail emission then.

>>60811053
>These are wild assumptions considering that XMR struggles to stay above $400.

I don't base my assumptions on clown market performance.

>>60811069
>Yes lets get rid of block rewards and tail emission then.

Did you miss the part about for-profit and pro-bono miners co-existing?

>>60811064
I think it's a good idea

https://xcancel.com/c___f___b/status/1957474894586970227

why the FUCK are qubiggers now 100x LONG MONERO?

What do they intend to achieve next by pumping up the price?

>>60811064
This is relevant to my interests.

>>60810341
>>cannot rely on people as if they are "donating to charity."
>Why not?
We are talking about a financial network. Depending on goodwill only works for people ideologically aligned with it. Depending on greed and financial incentives means even people who are ideologically opposed to you will still support your network, simply due to profit. The latter is a way more reliable/antifragile model.

If Monero succeeds it's going to have deal with nation states, the CIA, everything at some point. One guy was able to hit a double digit share of the hashrate. If the CIA or Google had pulled this they would have overwhelmed the network.

If you can reach millions of users who agree to mine based on ideology alone, power to you, you have more faith in the average man than I. But as >>60806753 asserts, most people don't know or don't care about privacy enough to do that. You should start a mainstream marketing campaign to reach the normies, billboards, instagram ads, whatever the memecoins do. But you should also prepare for reality as it is right now, by taking greed into account.

>>60811140
Qubic is unironically going to save Monero. They forced you to talk about the security budget after years of ignoring it. Now they're forcing you to talk about the price, drawing in more miners, who will improve your security budget. Schizophrenic shitcoiners are more on the ball than your own devs like Howard Chu.

>>60811080
>Did you miss the part about for-profit and pro-bono miners co-existing?
No I did not miss the part where you pull wishful thinking out your ass.
>>60811140
what. the fuck.

>>60811073
Kek

>>60811073
You don't have to when the clown market bases it's assumptions off of (You)

>>60811201
>You should start a mainstream marketing campaign to reach the normies, billboards, instagram ads, whatever the memecoins do.
maybe you should now

>>60811201
>>60811224
>You should start a mainstream marketing campaign to reach the normies, billboards, instagram ads, whatever the memecoins do
Maybe you should expand on this a bit since the Monero community is terrible at marketing.

>>60811201
>You should start a mainstream marketing campaign to reach the normies, billboards, instagram ads, whatever the memecoins do.

lol then an increasingly crypto-skeptical public will just assume its another shitcoin and ignore it. Especially if accompanied by retarded price predictions.

The crypto fad is nearing its end, between the endless scandals and Trumpcoin fiasco too many blackpills have been dispensed, the only thing that will matter soon is actual utility.

And that's how Monero wins.

>>60811201
>Qubic is unironically going to save Monero. They forced you to talk about the security budget after years of ignoring it. Now they're forcing you to talk about the price, drawing in more miners, who will improve your security budget. Schizophrenic shitcoiners are more on the ball than your own devs like Howard Chu.
Fucking based.

>>60811297
>we'll win once the public's confidence is destroyed!

This narrative only works for precious metals

>>60811477

Narratives aren't necessary when there's a real need being serviced.

>>60811224
>>60811242
>>60811297
>maybe you should now
>Maybe you should expand on this a bit since the Monero community is terrible at marketing.
>an increasingly crypto-skeptical public will just assume its another shitcoin and ignore it

You don't have to market the price if you don't want, you can market privacy. Instagram ads allow you to target users based on their location, age, sex, interests, education, etc. You can make a series of targeted ads telling people you're spying on them, listing everything you know about them, and then directing them to Monero.

Even 4chan ads (much cheaper) allow you to target country & board, so you can market the tech aspect to /g/, the Monero-chan aspect to /a/, etc. The only thing to keep in mind is that 4channers are very aware of shill pieces, so you have to make the ads funny or self deprecating. For example, if you're advertising the Rust language you'd make fun of trannies, programming socks, have an ad about a Rust programmer getting ACK-ed, so long as you don't violate 4chan's ad TOS too hard.

If you want to go full degenerate and have put together a decent marketing budget you pay a well known onlyfans influencer to dress up as Monero-chan and shill it, sort of like what you guys did before, but this time you don't get a beaner nobody to do it, you get someone with a big audience that is interested in making online payments privately (e.g., e-girl simps & gooners). Have the e-girl recite some script about Monero-chan keeping their paid gooning a secret from their girlfriends.

>>60809994
>the price going up helps Monero
yes
monero is better than a private stablecoin

>>60811297
Otherwise, if you're not going to put in any effort to tell people about Monero, don't be surprised when they don't adopt Monero, even if (a big if) they get all their funds seized, all crypto collapses, and they have no privacy. Remember the Canadian freedom convoy. Truckers got their bank accounts frozen, their fundraiser shut down, and their Bitcoin donations blocked by exchanges. Even after all that they didn't switch to Monero because no one told them about it or marketed it to them. That was dropping the ball hard because people aren't going to magically see the light and admit you were right over a project they don't even know about.

Having everyone think you're right is a lot more important than being right and nobody knowing or caring about it.

>>60811558
>Otherwise, if you're not going to put in any effort to tell people about Monero,

lol I created the Info-Dump to educate people about Monero, I post those "annoying OP posts" for the same reason. But what I don't do is dwell on the price because that immediately triggers red flags for the average person, especially now that crypto has become almost universally associated with scumbag grifters.

Focus on the tech and the solving of actual problems and you'll grow an actual user base.

"What Monero can do for you" type of campaign.

>>60811625
>I created the Info-Dump to educate people about Monero
>I post those "annoying OP posts" for the same reason.
You are preaching to the already converted, online autists interested in various tech niches who already know about Monero. The millions of eventual users you talked about here (>>60810341) have not read a single one of your posts. Go meet people where they are. Which is awful, bad, evil places like instagram. And don't give them tens of thousands of words of screed like moneroinfodump. Give them an interesting one liner to catch their interest, let them know you exist, and then leave it to them to do their own research.

>>60811522
>You can make a series of targeted ads telling people you're spying on them, listing everything you know about them, and then directing them to Monero.

Like how NordVPN ads tell you all the info leaking from your IP address? That could be pretty cool
>Hey anon!
>Might want to pay for (item that Google/Amazon ad services knows you were looking at) with Monero
>You never know who might be watching!

>>60809966
There is so little Monero it's crazy. The supply is just 18M and there won't be 5M more for 50 more years. 18M is nothing. There are thousands of people with billions of dollars. Think about that. But the scarcity of Monero becomes even more clear when you consider the liquidity: The amount of 'neros you can actually buy. As we seen recently, even a little demand shoots the price up. Basically if acquire a stack of 'neros now, you have a very precious front seat ticket to the world's private internet money.

>>60809973
Luxury cars are a depreciating asset. Not worth it. Buy yes, I'm looking forward to make a shitton of wealth thanks to Monero. I will use it to acquire assets which will give me more more power to affect the world for the better. Who knows maybe my corporation's lobbying branch and some anonymous Monero paymets will make the politics our bitch instead the other way around.

>>60811009
Yeah a serious attacker can pick the lowest hash rate time to attack and not announce it beforehand like a retard. The standing army won't be able to respond before it's too late. Qubic is the most retarded way to 51% (because its primary mission is being a scam). The fact they could still get more than 40% is telling.

>>60811033
Many are working.

>>60811064
The Mega links I have are dead. An I2P torrent could be interesting.

>>60811201
>They forced you to talk about the security budget after years of ignoring it.
There are rich people who considered Monero but ended up forgoing it because the low sec budget did not sit right with them.

>>60811140
It's bait for absolute retards who think 50k is a lot of money. Qubic is currently the largest miner of XMR, of course they want the price to be high. Same thing with all of the dogecoin posting. It's just shiny bullshit to distract morons and generate clicks. It's working because you're posting about it.

What are some items that sell quickly so you could buy them anonymously with gift cards and sell them for fiat?

>>60812996
One Piece trading cards

>>60813051
Thanks

What do you guys think of decentralized VPNs such as Mysterium, Safing SPN, Deep Network, etc.?

>>60811120
>>60811186
>>60811860
thanksies anons im happy u like it, in a few weeks it should be done and ill post on the general again about it, im also thinking of a way people can send me images to add to the site anonymously.
and an updated torrent to download all of them at once

>>60813334
Host them on a booru

>>60810727
A year ago paid shills would be here attacking Monero and pumping Zcash. I guess they don't have shills on payroll just this second.

The funniest, by far, was Discreet. These guys came into EVERY monero thread. See, they were doing a PRESALE of tokens. They didn't actually HAVE a blockchain. But you could give them money, and then, when they did, you could exchange the tokens for actual coins on their blockchain, which they were gonna premine and hand out whatever whatever who fucking cares.

This is still on top of their subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Discreet/comments/wgfhj4/phase_2_of_the_presale_has_officially_terminated/

Do you think they got any refunds?

And of course you can still follow their twitter. Everything was going great until it wasn't.

https://x.com/discreet

Both disgusting and hilarious. Somehow I don't have a word for it.

>>60813429
>Hire harassers to target of choice
Wtf, you can do this? How and where? How expensive and effective is it?
Let me guess, it doesn't work for politicians, jews, and other protected classes?

When is this finally gonna hit 1k+? Will the kikes just steal our marketcap forever?

>>60813446
>Wtf, you can do this?
Yes of course you can! Just like you can buy upvotes (and downvotes) on reddit and tons of other sites, you can hire companies that will engage in online whisper campaigns as you like.

>How and where?
Here's just one, but there's dozens of companies that offer these types of manipulation services. https://social-boost.co/

>How expensive and effective is it?

Some of it is real cheap, but I don't know if that's the effective stuff. Obviously, it is very effective- it's a type of subversive advertisement.

>Let me guess, it doesn't work for politicians, jews, and other protected classes?

I'm sure it works great for whomever has the money to pay, just like any other weapon or tool.

>>60813791
Thank you, fren. Appreciate it.

>>60813567
Ideally? After FCMP is released and we all force exchanges to prove their supplies of XMR with their brand new view keys.
Realistically? When the community starts operating in the world we live in and not the one we want to live in

The moneroinfodump site helped me understand that Zcash is a scam.
But what about Dash? It often gets mentioned together with Monero when it comes to privacy/anonymity.

>>60813870
there's only one person who uses dash and he is paid to use it

>>60813875
Could you explain its flaws like I'm a retard?
It has a $400M market cap and a volume of $30M, so it gets used plenty.

>>60811043
I literally can’t listen to his voice for more than like 20 minutes at a time. It’s like ails on a chalkboard

>>60813917
Your flaws are thinking volume matters at all.
Look around the places where you can buy things online and in person and tell me what you see being accepted and used.

>>60811201
Imagine a Super Bowl ad with a bunch of dystopian scenes: psychological marketing/social media manipulation, bank access cut off for vaguely political reasons, inflation making everything more expensive, cameras everywhere tracking everything you do.

Cut scene. A man alone with his thoughts, and a barely discernible smirk.

Monero. Private, anonymous money.

XMR FAGS will never make it, linkfags just got this airdrop hahaha

>>60806591 (OP)
Is this a good moment to buy XMR? I need to purchase some services.

>>60814137
If you need XMR to buy things, then go buy it.
There's no good or bad moment to use Money as money

>>60813870
>But what about Dash? It often gets mentioned together with Monero when it comes to privacy/anonymity.

lol Dash folds under pressure, just threaten them with delisting and they'll tell you all about how ineffectual their privacy is.

I read that using/running your own node makes it more private/anonymous/secure, but does it matter when exactly you run the node?
For example, if I have a PC that runs a node 24/7 and a laptop that runs it only when I turn it on occasionally, would the latter be more vulnerable or the like? As in, "hold on, this node only went up when this transaction was made, so it was possibly X person who did it", or something of the sort.
Sorry if it is a stupid question.

>>60814304
KEK

>>60814309
>As in, "hold on, this node only went up when this transaction was made, so it was possibly X person who did it"
You can run your monero node on your laptop inside WhonixOS. That way, surveillance cannot see your real IP. They can only see your exit node IP that came alive during you open your laptop WhonixOS and sync your node.

>>60813334
>a way people can send me images to add to the site anonymously.
host a darknet chan lolz or just a thread in some chan like:
http://bitchanr4b64govofzjthtu6qc4ytrbuwbgynapkjileajpycioikxad.onion/ (Has Monero thread)
http://lambdaplusjs35padjaiz4jw2fugdoeutse262phqr72uf634s2wdbqd.onion/All/
http://nanochanrayhy7nuuhldw2n4sq7tmv7xzdwaxtbptetss5eaznwfknyd.onion/.nano/overboarda

>>60813350
Oh shit yeah a Monero Booru sounds cool.

>>60813446
Well, you can hire me.

>>60814304
Despite the delisting FUD, it's actually a very underrated strength of Monero. Every other coin talks about CEX being bad and how we should not rely on them, but only in a theoretical or narrative sense. When a threat of delisting comes, they immediately buckle, or more likely, they make sure to cause no such threat in their development in the first place. Those threats ultimately come from the fiat system, so the development of all those coins is ultimately regulated by the fiat system. Monero is the only coin CEX can't sway. The only post-CEX coin. No other coin can claim this. If you're looking for real crypto money, there is literally no second best.

>>60814309
In basic theory, timing attacks are a thing, yes. Dandelion++, which is used by default, is supposed to anonymize the origin node of a transaction. Also you can set your node to relay transactions through Tor & I2P nodes. Darknet nodes can't distinguish nodes because their IP is hidden but also their peer ID is zeroes. Even connecting to a public node over darknet should be pretty good in practice. But yeah, in theory the darknet connection can be timing attacked and correlated with a transaction but that's really out there. If it's a super duper secret schizo job, a longer running node will definitely help.

>>60814415
I see.
>>60814791
>Well, you can hire me.
Kek.
>>60814791
>In basic theory, timing attacks are a thing, yes. Dandelion++, which is used by default, is supposed to anonymize the origin node of a transaction. Also you can set your node to relay transactions through Tor & I2P nodes. Darknet nodes can't distinguish nodes because their IP is hidden but also their peer ID is zeroes. Even connecting to a public node over darknet should be pretty good in practice. But yeah, in theory the darknet connection can be timing attacked and correlated with a transaction but that's really out there. If it's a super duper secret schizo job, a longer running node will definitely help.
I see. Thank you for the detailed response.

lol Peter "Satoshi" Todd sells out for a mere $5K in the most cringe worthy way possible - shilling a fucking P&D memecoin.

Srsly tho, nigga must actually be desperate or have a nasty smack habit to go this route. Apparently he bought BTC when it was $0.20. WTF

Alright show of hands, who fell for the qubic meme?

>>60814840
Also, even if they know the IP associated with a transaction, the transactions themselves are anonymous, so the have to break that unless they control the receiving wallet as a honeypot.

>>60815203
I was buying throughout the dump but I could have bought double more at the bottom. Oh well. My rule is to always have some cash in case it dumps more. Long term it saves me more regret than it causes. You could say I as a principle half fell for it in the sense I though there was a possibility it could have dumped more.

I just read about Ethereum presale in 2014 and that there was likely insider manipulation where most if not all of the presale coins went to insiders instead of the actual buyers.
I looked up any presale buyers but got only results for people who did get the ETH but were never able to access it somehow, almost as if it was done on purpose and they got scammed.
Is this true? What do you guys think?
Is there any famous person who bought the presale and wasn't part of the insider team?

>>60815537
>What do you guys think?
I think you're in the wrong thread

>>60811064
>mega
https://mega.nz/folder/vQkXkSJD#bddufmWaHlPiwM4DoOdswQ

>>60816324
I will own all Monero-chans...

Pubic has apparently turned to trying to 51% Doge next lmao.

>>60816562
They should've targeted zcash

>>60815203
They are still around. They haven't tried to attack the network lately, though. For me, the worst thing about this deal is the lack of information. We do not know the true motivation behind this attack. Ivancheglo is some small scammer, the only info about him comes from himself (and is clearly incorrect). In some degree he reminds me of Tommy Tallarico.

At least this thing is better than a sudden attack from glovies with instant re-writing of 1 day or so of transactions. Personally I think that the most smart glovies (American ones) are needed Monero too and they understand that, so they not gonna destroy it. But who knows for sure.

>>60811140
>why are qberts stirring up drama? I don't get it!!!1
when a monero midwit says something so 115IQ you just gotta hit em with the qubic stare

the attack is over why didn't it pump yet

I WANNA BE THE VERY TOP
LIKE NO COIN EVER WAS
TO BUY THEM IS MY REAL TEST
TO SAVE THEM IS MY CAUSE

I WILL TRAVEL ACROSS THE NET SEARCHING FAR AND WIDE
FOR MONERO TO UNDERSTAND THE POWER THAT’S INSIDE

MONERO
GOTTA BUY THEM ALL
ITS CHAN AND ME
I KNOW ITS MY DESTINY

MONERO
OH YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND
IN A WORLD WE MUST DEFEND

MONERO
OUR CHART’S SO TRUE
OUR SAVERS WILL PULL US THROUGH

P2ME AND P2YOU
MONERO
GOTTA BUY THEM ALL
GOTTA BUY THEM ALL

>>60814695
>>60813350
so u mean a booru instance dedicated to monero? would be cute...
>>60816324
thx!1

>>60816314
The thing is that this is the only crypto-related thread with a lot of engagement.
If I search ETH or Crypto, there are 20 different threads with only a few posts each and talking about different things.
I expected someone here to be knowledgeable about it and be able to answer.

>>60818006
sell it for monero

>>60818006
Warosu.org/biz

>>60818088
I didn't think of that. Thanks.

>>60818088
>>60818308
It seems that a lot of anons did buy in the presale and other anons were indeed sceptical about the table distribution and such, as I read in the article.
I wonder what happened, then?
Was it some sort of bug?
Intriguing.

>>60818336
Vitalik and the other founders had large amounts of ETH at the beginning and gave them out for various reasons. Some people got 0.5% of all ETH for doing some coding here and there. It’s very old history I don’t remember much about it but the truth is out there if you dig into the archives enough.

>>60818336
>>60818715
Remember the founders of ETH include Hoskinson, Lubin, and Gavin Wood. These are some of the scammiest people in crypto history and had plenty of ETH to dole out in the early days. I’m sure nobody other than them really knows the true distribution. Just look at how Cardano and Polkadot function as cryptos today. They invented the idea of cash grab projects.

>>60815537
I didn't buy the pre-sale because they had shit tier tokenomics (which they later fixed with a modified emission curve).
The sale was also open for a week or so and started at 2666 ETH per BTC and went down linearly over time to 1337 ETH per BTC.

The founders all got large bags but also dumped most of their coins at pretty low prices. At least Vitalitk did. Sure he still has a lot but not nearly enough as he could have had.

>>60818715
>>60818736
>>60818772
I see. Thanks, frens.

Is there a DeFi or crypto platform to trade stocks even if no real shares are bought?
For example, a crypto with the same number of tokens as shares in a company (such as Nvidia) and whose price would be pegged to the real Nvidia stock, so that users could "participate" or profit from the stock market indirectly.
Sort of like the practice of bucketeering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)

>>60818853
they just released that you fake activity chatgpt bot

What about the 51% attack?

>>60819144
Are people really still talking about that?

I haven't seen a single double digit IQ in these threads theorize how Qubic technically achieved it's attack.
Assuming the more conservative estimates of 30%-38% network share, that's about 25,000 top tier EPYCs worth of hashrate.
>Selfish mining
still subject to obscene amounts of hashrate and low latency
>CPUs
only plausible if practically their whole 'community' fully deployed and committed multiple CPUs per user (*3/5/7/9) *900X/*950X hashrate to their pool + some users have EPYCs + Qubic still hired compute make up the remaining difference.
-Telegram members: 20,000 / 400 online
-Discord members: 60,000 / 4,000 online
-Twitter followers: 100,000 (post engagement only in the hundreds)
>ASIC
Lol

>inb4 ad hominem
>inb4 more economic babble
If you don't make a technical argument or direct me to somewhere that did, you glow

>>60819559
pretty sure they said they already had 100s of thousands of dollars of hardware to do this attack when people said it would cost to much to rent compute

>>60819563
>100s of thousands of dollars of hardware
Let's be absolutely conservative and assume they got some insane deal on the following for $6,000 (CPU, MOBO, RAM)
>most cost effective and efficient configuration
Dual socket 9654 + 12 DIMMs (6 per CPU) @ 160kH = 1100W~ (at the wall)
>total cost
12,500 x $6,000 = $75,000,000
>total power
12,500 x 1100W = 13,750,000W / 1,000,000 (MW) = 13.75MW (basically a small town)

Any CPU less compute-dense than these would mean even more units, more cost and more power. Non-CPU theories would require EVEN MORE units and power, which is no more believable.

>>60819662
Only reasonable thing I can imagine is if they managed to get access to some excess cloud power or something from an organization due to contacts.

I don't think a university would let them use all of their compute to mine crypto.

Only thing left is like state actor, Jeff Bezos being bored or secretly owning the worlds largest botnet

>>60819682
>access to some excess cloud power
>due to contacts
This is my assumption as well. Even vCPUs wouldn't make sense because standard fees would drive the cost up into millions of dollars and no typical provider would tolerate this usage.
>Only thing left is like state actor
I'm reluctant to conclude that, but the more you look at this shit, the less it makes sense for any other answer to be the case.
>secretly owning the worlds largest botnet
This option makes the least sense, because you would need a truly astronomical amount of clients if you didn't want to get detected. Unless someone hijacked an anti-cheat or something, which is just as far-fetched as a state actor.
>why an anti-cheat?
Where better to blast hardware? Millions of players, sitting in queues wouldn't suspect anything because high utilization is expected. Obviously I say this quite jokingly.

>>60819144
Got downgraded to thirty something attack.

>>60819718
NSA has gigantic data centers earmarked for cyberwar glownigger faggotry, no?
Buying extra CPU capacity from GPU data centers at discount, maybe?

>>60819718
These kernel level anti-cheats that are being forced by slop games now are absolutely pozzed cancer. They're literally rootkits and I don't trust the security of these rootkits at all.

>>60819718
Could we compare average steam hardware survey stats with installbase or userbase of games?
>>60819815
You'd think the CIA would be drooling over the possibility to have secret slush funds that are untraceable for their glowops.
>>60819821
And its also becoming the norm

>>60819682
>I don't think a university would let them use all of their compute to mine crypto.
There's high chance that compute from German universities (and Google infra) was used in the Qubshit attack. Some of the core maintainers have ties to German universities and Google research centers in Germany. And I really doubt they even threw their whole weight at it. Not yet anyway.

>>60819815
>NSA has gigantic data centers earmarked for cyberwar glownigger faggotry, no?
Yes, but there's no explanation as to how some West Russian got Access to those

>>60819850
>There's high chance that compute from German universities (and Google infra) was used in the Qubshit attack. Some of the core maintainers have ties to German universities and Google research centers in Germany. And I really doubt they even threw their whole weight at it. Not yet anyway.
This seems more plausible since the EUSSR isn't exactly a fan of Monero and could be convinced that they were being used for 'the greater good'

>>60819871
Yeah many European institutions seem to have a hate boner for Monero. I mean the entire global fiat conspiracy does, but European institutions are not being squeamish about it. Also the stats, on Retoswap I believe, showed how Monero demand is highest in Europe.

If anything we should make the CIA type glowniggers fight the EU central bank kikes for us.

>>60819815
>gigantic data centers earmarked for cyberwar
Of course and probably a fraction of their resources in reality. But then that begs the question, why half ass it?
>Buying extra CPU capacity from GPU data centers at discount, maybe?
that would account neatly for RandomX's cache requirement that is otherwise much less effective from vCPUs.

>>60819850
>high chance that compute from German universities
Is there though? Usually access to academic compute is pedantic as fuck and besides being a suspect workload, other users would also get political about someone hogging so much of a cluster. It would have to happen from such a high institutional level that it may as well be feds.
>Google infra
wouldn't that require some sort of distributed acquisition of compute time to not get flagged?

>>60819871
>no explanation as to how some West Russian got Access to those
Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone actually know if he is Russian? Couldn't that easily be a misdirection?

>>60819559
They bribed existing Monero miners with high profits. They also convinced other CPU miners not mining xmr to mine their coin because of high profits.

>>60819909
kinda sounds like they're trying to send a message to the commies

>>60819909
>They bribed existing Monero miners with high profits
Oh yeah, you can see a correlation in the mined blocks from existing pools vs Qubic, I'm retarded kek. Well that makes it much more clear, some of their 'own' compute, a moderately sized community call-to-arms and then bribing purpose-made clusters that already exist to shuffle some hashrate over.
It also explains why they didn't achieve it and why it was so short-lived.

>>60819895
>Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone actually know if he is Russian? Couldn't that easily be a misdirection?
Allegedly he's from Belarus, one of the make-believe countries that popped up after the Soviet collapse

>>60819885
On the contrary, the sooner they build the digital gulag in Europe, the sooner monero usage will become widespread.

>>60819949
>didn't achieve it
a true 51% anyway, but definitely a successful selfish mining attack

>>60819895
>But then that begs the question, why half ass it?
CIA are actually being a wholesome chungus right now because they want their glownigger money which Monero is very promising for but they're worried some SELFISH LITTLE FUCKS at some banks and financial (((regulators))) may want to destroy or double spend their slush funds so they did this to nudge Moreno towards fixing this.

This means that after FCMP and finality layer the coin is going to 10000.

>>60819895
>Is there though? Usually access to academic compute is pedantic as fuck and besides being a suspect workload, other users would also get political about someone hogging so much of a cluster. It would have to happen from such a high institutional level that it may as well be feds.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was/is a government funded op and universities/research centers have been contracted to do it in the name of "research". Is it just a coincidence the main contributors work at research centers and universities? Pic related.

>>60819962
>and finality layer
are we still going forward with this? I was hoping the enthusiasm for that would die out after the qubic itself switched targets (attacking doge).

Imo finality layer (and its accompanying proof of stake mechanism) is cringe. Out of character for Monero which is a Proof of Work coin.

>>60819977
IDK after price go up it won't be needed anyway so it's chicken and egg.

can you guys fix your coin so my thing costs less this month

>>60819982
>IDK after price go up
we need a number go up campaign in monero. We should encourage hoarding, but also spending and replacing.

Monero go up.

>>60819144
We have over 9000 miners and they are all raping qubic

How much is this worth, is it real silver?

>>60820159
Might be either .625 or .925, but I don't know that specific coin.

>>60820159
about tree fiddy 'neros or however the panzerschokolade crumbles

>>60820169
That's not really helpful

>>60820168
how to sell this shit, in a jewellery store?

>>60820178
Bring it to an actual coin shop for testing. Look it up on eBay for comps
Ask /pmg/ for any other questions

>>60819949
>Oh yeah, you can see a correlation in the mined blocks from existing pools vs Qubic
Nvm I'm double retarded, it was only the top 3 pools which naturally have less probabilistic block finds. The Qubic spam seems to be ongoing to a degree, so some of the miners that jumped ship are possibly still participating.
You would have to look at the hashrate drop off from other pools to really tell. Data I can't be fucked to find/put together, but this theory is decent nonetheless. Does anyone the per pool hashrate history on hand?

>>60819967
She is certainly an eyebrow raiser and a possible lead on broader connections, but I wouldn't say it's a smoking gun. She seems to be a relative nobody and there aren't any other figures who appear to be as significant as her directly/publicly on the Qubic project.

>>60819967
>Saarland University, Germany
Checks out, they redeemed all the hashrate.

>>60819967
I'd fuck that nerdy grey maus so good she'll whisper all the secrets and join Monero's side to make me freedom fighter babies.

>>60820906
>She is certainly an eyebrow raiser and a possible lead on broader connections, but I wouldn't say it's a smoking gun. She seems to be a relative nobody and there aren't any other figures who appear to be as significant as her directly/publicly on the Qubic project.
There's this dude as well. Also lest we forget CFB was a part of IOTA which is a direct partner with the EU. The whole thing stinks and there's probably a lot more to uncover.

Monero getting delisted from Kraken Canada: kiwifarms net/threads/xmr-monero.36856/post-22294282


That fabled, mythical decentralized exchange liquidity better grow fast for XMR soon. Otherwise your beloved swappers even go out of biz.

>>60821878
Isn't binance behind all these swappers' liquidity?

>>60821924
Kucoin iirc

>>60821878
Yawn. The future of Monero is only being available on no-KYC & no-fiat sites, along with P2P DEX like Reto. Also many of them being on darknet. I'm not even considering any CEX anymore. They will either get """hacked""" (totally not insiders) or freeze withdrawals at the worst moment so they can trade against you.

They're going out of their way to prove Monero is the only real crypto. Wear it with pride. I mean, did you seriously think REAL crypto is something they would let you just buy by going to some site with your real name and your real bank account? What is this delusion?

>>60821924
Some claim their own liquidity. I don't see a fundamental reason why they have to rely on a CEX.

>>60821690
As challenging as a conclusion as this is I think we need to expect attacks like this to continue into the foreseeable future. With a few notable exceptions (Best Korea), entire world governments, especially the tyrannical EU, hate Monero and want to see it destroyed. They will be contracting with universities or their own intelligence agencies to attack Monero in the name of “democracy” or whatever.

We cannot fight against this with ideology alone. That has literally never worked in all of human history. Every successful revolution has had financial backing from some source. The lucky thing about our position is that we don’t need to convince a third party to provide financial support. We can bake it into the protocol level itself by incentivizing mining and security.

Monero desperately, desperately, desperately needs NGU to happen. It is a security imperative. Monero needs to become profitable to mine, by having 0.6 XMR become worth thousands of dollars rather than $175 bucks. If we are profitable and relatively attractive to mine compared to any other CPU crypto, Monero will be unstoppable with its marketing and utility. It would be ridiculous to use your hardware on anything else. Why pick a shitcoin when Monero is profitable and useful? All we need is NGU.

mine

>>60822032
no

Yours sincerely,
Howard Chu

>>60806601
>Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
it's malware btw

>>60822188
someone start an assassination market for this guy: flatline date.

>>60822112
pay me

>>60821878
josh delisted from kraken lol

>>60822209
>it's malware btw

>>60806601
>>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

>>60822425
>He just lets companies know he's the kiwifarms guy
Is that the power of the heckin based admin who made KF sooooooo secure?

>>60822546
nigga they got kyc

>>60822591
>He simply *had* to use the KYC platform
Not making a good case for yourself here

>>60822598
Shouldn't have to hide anything.
He's not doing anything illegal, and he's fully dox'd anyway and operates that way.

It's not a good look when traditional financial services have a stranglehold on crypto like this.

What would you suggest, do a million p2p transactions for this instead?

>>60822675
>Surely him hosting a platform that is well known for its illegal behavior isn't illegal
What a pathetic bunch, at least own up to being a cesspool

>>60821878
theres this one simple trick monero fanboys hate and its making mining profitable. that will solve all problems

>>60822724
>that is well known for its illegal behavior
give me an example behavior that k1w1f4rms enables. The forum explicitly states that stalking, or interacting IRL with its lolcows are forbidden and discouraged.

is "XMR" pronounced "Ex Em Arr" or just "Monero"?

>>60822952
Yeah.

>>60822675
What "security reasons" would require not telling a person that you're banning and whose assets you're freezing the reason why?
Absolutely despicable.

>>60822988
Revealing that info is called "tipping off" and is a punishable crime. Government is actually retarded, yes.

>>60822425
how lovely these totally democratic regulations are!

>>60822988
anything that trips the gay ass automatic aml which could be as easy as just using a vpn

Guys I need xmr back at like 320
When is that going to happen

>>60823457
>When is that going to happen

Next Thursday.

>>60823457
You're good, fren. I wanna buy tomorrow so the price will shoot up before that.

>>60822675
Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?

>>60822598
>just use a non-kyc DeFi a- ACK
https://reclaimthenet.org/us-treasury-weighs-digital-id-verification-in-defi-under-genius-act

>>60823728
What are they gonna do when someone refuses to build kyc into a contract, or when a dex runs without smart contracts at all? It's so unironically over for the fed...

>>60823728
>XMR sucks because the US is considering digital IDs
Not how this works sweaty

>>60822032
>incentivizing mining
Unfortunately the only viable paths to doing this require capital, so they'd need to be done at the same time with as many anons participating as possible
>increasing the amount miners make from fees
We could 10x the fees overnight without waiting for articmine's moon math by shilling the idea of sending XMR to yourself over and over as a way to 'donate' to miners. This shouldn't be that hard to shill to a bunch of altruistic left libertarians. If it works this could also create much needed buying pressure that doesn't force anyone to compromise their beliefs.
>encourage hodltardism/moonfaging
We really need to encourage saving in XMR as opposed to BTC or any other coin. Any tactic that doesn't compromise the social contract XMR offers the cryptospace (no PoS, increasing the 0.6 XMR block reward, or other faggotry) is fair game at this point. The one good thing about this Pubis drama is that it forced the spotlight on XMR; we need to capitalize on it without splerging out about the technicalities

>>60823947
>the only viable paths to doing this require capital, so they'd need to be done at the same time with as many anons participating as possible
Why
>We could 10x the fees overnight without waiting for articmine's moon math by shilling the idea of sending XMR to yourself over and over as a way to 'donate' to miners
Seriously? Monero ended up in this situation exactly because of the fanatic monero maxis, it clearly doesn't work well enough.

>>60823979
>why
Because it's a large part of the reason the pubis attack worked: they had more capital to pay people with. It doesn't matter if the capital is a fake and gay token.
>it clearly doesn't work well enough
And we should make it work better with the left libertarian Monero maxis we have instead of wishing they were different.

XMR fags will never make it, linkfags just got this airdrop
imxcoin.net

>>60824176
two wallets hit earlier: 600 tokens and one 482 thats like 700 dollars

>>60819986
Real shit

>>60823728
>go to a darknet site hosted in some nerd's bedroom in her mom's home in the country of i don't even know what
>sell my boomer litecoins with no defi capability to buy me sum 'neros
>life is still good

>>60823728
>The backdrop to this effort is the GENIUS Act itself, which represents Washington’s first full-scale legislative response to digital assets. The law, signed by President Donald Trump after passing with broad bipartisan support
(((Broad bipartisan support))) tells you everything you need to know.
>While the crypto industry spent years and millions lobbying for regulatory clarity on stablecoins, the final compromise came with substantial strings attached. Under the law, permitted stablecoin issuers are now considered financial institutions for purposes of the Bank Secrecy Act.
>This means they must identify users, monitor transactions, and report activities to federal authorities, transforming them into potential surveillance nodes for the US financial system.
LMAO snitchcoin cucks got the "regulatory clarity" they wanted. Totally not being controlled by the fiat system BTW. Can't wait for snitchcoiners to tell me how this is good for their snitchcoin and bad for Monero while they pray 5 times a day to fiat gods for "compliance" (which is also good).
>Despite the GENIUS Act being a pro-innovation law, privacy advocates are raising alarms over its far-reaching implications.
Oh you can innovate your smart-ass money that knows too much about you and blocks payments, or you can innovate some retarded JPEGs. Just don't innovate the fundamental pillar of money that is anonymity goy. We don't want them to know their fundamental, unalienable right to have personal financial freedom and privacy.

>Remy Ra St. Felix
God fucking damn it, you can't sneeze without getting swatted and you can't buy a coffee without the government asking for a trillion dollars in tax, but this bunch of niggers can go around kidnapping, torturing, extorting, murdering, and robbing in plain sight without getting caught until they go too far.
Though they did mostly go after naive elderly people, single women, and fellow criminals who would rather not call the police.

>>60825836
https://www.wired.com/story/crypto-home-invasion-crime-ring

>>60825836
>>60825843
Btw, the article mentions that he tried to use Monero to launder the stolen crypto, but since he used the same exchange and account and performed the trades one after another without stop, they could claim it was him without a doubt.

all the non-kyc prepaid cards keep getting taken down
how the fuck do I buy shit

>>60825955
Coincards and cakepay work fine last I checked

>>60826240
works with residential ip vpn?

>>60826240
Let's imagine I try to cash out by buying a gift card, say Amazon gift card. How do I sell it? And will banks question me if I keep getting random payments coming into my bank account from sales of said gift cards?

Seems like cfb counteracted fluffys latest proposal? Wants to test other countermeasures. I guess the death threats got to him?

https://x.com/c___f___b/status/1958545729837785580

>shitcoin chud absolutely owning the shit out of the monero megaminds erratically running around in search of a fix
If only you knew how based things really are...

>>60826459
>Let's imagine I try to cash out by buying a gift card, say Amazon gift card. How do I sell it?

List it on XmrBazaar.

>And will banks question me if I keep getting random payments coming into my bank account from sales of said gift cards?

lol of course. And if they don't like your answer they'll close your account and submit a report to the authorities.

This is why we want a circular economy, any involvement of KYC'd entities is a liability.

>>60826440
Yes but I'm in burgerland. Use a burgerland proxy if for some reason it doesn't work I guess?

Qubic still control 39% of the hashrate.

The copes keep coming and they don't stop coming.

>>60826918
Less than 20%.

>>60826918
Source?

New $91M social engineering theft of a BTC user. Get your longs ready

>>60826962
>>60827113
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
Shows 2.24gh/s against 6.28gh/s. Thats 35%.

ALL LINK FAGS THIS IS URGENT!!!
HERES THIS IMX AIRDROP NOW AND TOP 5000 LINKIES ARE INCLUDED!
Link: imxcoin.net

>>60827469
i claimed 800 imx tokens, thats like 400 dollar

>>60827455
>https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
When will retards learn the hash rates there are self reported by pools. This is from blocks on the chain:
https://moneroconsensus.info/

>100GB required for a local node
YGBSM

>>60827628
What you want?

>>60827666
I was just giving this a spin out of curiosity, not expecting it to require storage space larger than some of the hard drives I've got mounted.

>>60827703
If you just want to use a Monero wallet, you can connect to a public node instead of running your own. Even for schizo purposes, connect over Tor and you're good.

>>60826962
>>60827529
>When will retards learn the hash rates there are self reported by pools
NTA while the block spread is the most concrete way to assess activity, did anyone record the reported hashrates of respective pools before and after? At a minimum it will display the honesty/dishonesty of pool reporting and at most it may add credence to the 'bribed miner' theory.

>>60827628
Get 512GB of the most dirt cheap, used even, DRAM-less NVMe you can get and run it with HMB or get SATA ideally with DRAM. You can also backup to loose HDD space so if the shitty SSD dies there is quick turn around. Otherwise it's a lot of time syncing again.
>>60827703
>require storage space larger than some of the hard drives I've got mounted.
Christ, that little storage in the current year? Maybe disregard my previous advice and just save money on power bro kek.

>>60827732
Could try that out, sounds fun.
>>60827789
>Christ, that little storage in the current year
Whenever an old computer dies, I shove the drive into my tower. It has about 5 separate drives ranging from 120 to 2tb
Actual storage space isn't that big of an issue (despite I do tend to hoard space), its more trying to sort it out so one drive has enough headway to fit a local node.

ride

hunt

fish

>>60827857
>>60827899
>>60827944
Pretty cool

>>60828427
SEX

>>60821878
>>60822425
>>60822546
>>60822675
>>60822760
>give me an example behavior that k1w1f4rms enables. The forum explicitly states that stalking, or interacting IRL with its lolcows are forbidden and discouraged.
Sure. heres some examples:

Cowtipping is allowed
https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/null-openly-engaging-in-cow-tipping.4550/
KF hosted animal rape till last year:
https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/zoosadist-content-hosted-on-kiwi-farms.4459/
https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/possibly-illegal-erotic-text-fiction-of-children-hosted-on-kiwifarms.6774/

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>>60828540
Thanks fren. Feels good to win without having to do something. Fuck KF.

>>60826774
Well then, until that time of a flourishing circular economy, how do I cash out of my blasted XMR without my bank questioning me or the taxman knocking??

>>60828797
Cash-by-mail

>>60827944
>>60827899
>>60827857
cute

>>60828867
I'm a burger living in Asia. I don't trust the cash by mail to cross borders and customs and still reach me.

Or is it still likely the cash would arrive without any issues?

I've never tried cash by mail before but I don't know how you can ensure nobody is gonna check your mail before clearing it through the border.

>>60828797
Sorry, you're not allowed to cash out. You can buy more though.

>>60829026
Then why not sell it to people in your asian country? If there are issues, there's escrow for that.

>>60826459
Why are you selling the gift card ?
Use it to buy shit