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Anonymous (ID: ilP/FqAL) No.60820204 >>60820224 >>60821289 >>60821331 >>60821358 >>60822307 >>60822452 >>60822483 >>60822661 >>60822710 >>60822745 >>60822759 >>60822761 >>60824053 >>60825093 >>60827984 >>60828809
So AI maybe wasn't the new industrial revolution?
What went wrong ?
Anonymous (ID: Kk5l63ua) No.60820213
>Load ze A.I. fud again
Anonymous (ID: Xz/oxc3W) No.60820224 >>60820237
>>60820204 (OP)
All it took for the AI bubble to implode was from Sam Altman to say AI is a bubble. Ironic.
Anonymous (ID: aCyIXrhI) No.60820227 >>60820283 >>60821474 >>60821601 >>60821602 >>60824169 >>60825132
The only way to stop Trump's Golden Age is to undermine everything about AI and crash the market. You are falling for Democrat propaganda! Sad
Anonymous (ID: o8Rjvz7k) No.60820237 >>60820985 >>60821630 >>60825160 >>60827873
i'm skeptical about all hype trains since i lived through the dotcom bubble. back then there were daily IPOs of complete bullshit companies with no product or plan. all the AI companies have paying products and people really like using them. are they overvalued and will there be a shakeout? probably
>>60820224
openai wants to weaken the competition before an IPO.
Anonymous (ID: bfRvGzdV) No.60820283 >>60827924
>>60820227
more like trump's golden shower age
Anonymous (ID: ap+4kvMl) No.60820985
>>60820237
This. The fraud will be eyegougingly obvious before this one pops.
Anonymous (ID: XH+64KZS) No.60821289 >>60821378
>>60820204 (OP)
Not only is AI overhyped, the fact that Nvidia has to improve their China-bound AI chips to maintain market share is making people realize that the Chinese competition in AI is real and imminent. The Chinese are going to do to AI what they do to every economic sector they enter into: drive profit margins to zero through relentless cut-throat competition. Most AI-involved companies other than Nvidia haven't even turned any profits yet, so this could turn into horrible bloodbath.
Anonymous (ID: TskXcwlr) No.60821331
>>60820204 (OP)
I knew this 2 years ago. But the problem was to bet on when normies will start to realize it.
Anonymous (ID: 68qo9NXz) No.60821358
>>60820204 (OP)
when you see headlines like this, buy the dip
financial advice
Anonymous (ID: QIVjdiR1) No.60821378 >>60822135 >>60827873 >>60828851
>>60821289
>Nvidia
that's not an AI company
it's AI adjacent
if open AI were a public company, it would have 100x the market cap of microsoft and nvidia put together
Anonymous (ID: 3VBe/+nZ) No.60821474
>>60820227
Oh no call Putin again it's been a long time.
Anonymous (ID: 9KMgAWNq) No.60821601 >>60822180
>>60820227
only way manufacturing will return is if all these bullshit service jobs vanish.
Anonymous (ID: Fnj9DNjm) No.60821602
>>60820227
We need a trump ai that tweets a thousand times a second and has a massive database of nicknames for people he doesnt like
Anonymous (ID: GN/C6euV) No.60821630 >>60821680 >>60822576 >>60825115 >>60828076 >>60828632
>>60820237
> all the AI companies have paying products and people really like using them
ChatGPT is by far the biggest one in terms of usage, and it is losing money on average on subscription, furthermore the amount of free users are +98%.
Less than 2% of users is willing to pay for access to better, more usage of AI.. and that is when they are still paying bellow what the actual product cost to maintain.
How willing do you think this 2% are to pay the actual price for the product? OpenAI say a subscription on average cost them $200 a month, what percentage of the 2% are willing to pay that?
AI has to improve significantly before you start seeing a possible business model around a subscription model..
Anonymous (ID: ZObJw8Kh) No.60821680 >>60822576
>>60821630
Inference is profitable. They're only "unprofitable" because they're throwing money into R&D.
>Consumer subscriptions
Irrelevant. They make their money from enterprise contracts.
Anonymous (ID: XH+64KZS) No.60822135
>>60821378
It is in the sense that much of their revenue and expected future revenue comes from the sector. Whether you want to call that "in the sector" or "adjacent to the sector" doesn't matter, what matters is that's where a huge chunk of their money comes from and is expected to come from.
Anonymous (ID: I8qmGWMe) No.60822180 >>60822242 >>60825073
>>60821601
The only way to encourage manufacturing is to pay for and subsidize it which is why republicans have repeatedly slaughtered it by removing tax breaks and subsidies.
Anonymous (ID: 85dT54Td) No.60822242
>>60822180
the tariffs will be supported by right half of the US as long as Trump is alive and then become considered taxes again once he dies/is forgotten
Anonymous (ID: aIlz5UmI) No.60822258 >>60822280
The only people that think its overhyped are retards that don't know how to use it
Anonymous (ID: 16A7J6UT) No.60822280
>>60822258
I know how to use it. But it saves a lot of time. It makes my job easier. It doesnโ€™t allow me to do more because I am limited in scope of what I am allowed to do. I am a senior engineer. Nobody in my group understands the technical stuff anyway even when explaining it to them like theyโ€™re in high school.
Anonymous (ID: YL7I5gMX) No.60822307
>>60820204 (OP)
What people are calling "AI" right now is just LLM technology. Artificial Intelligence is much broader than next-token-predictors and it's been taking over many aspects of our lives slowly for decades now. Artificial Intelligence and technology in general will fundamentally transform the way we live over the next 100 years, but this current obsession with LLMs by tech-illiterate will not.
Anonymous (ID: YL7I5gMX) No.60822323
Event the way people say "AI" right now pisses me off lol. People think it's okay to just say like, "AI." It makes me cringe every single time especially when it's some fat middle aged woman. I swear normgroids are nothing but cattle
Anonymous (ID: 30Dj+kii) No.60822452
>>60820204 (OP)
>Item "90% Silver Walking Liberty Half Dollars $100 Face Value Bag". Quantity: 1 bag. Need precious metal content. 90% silver, face value $100. Typically a bag of Walking Liberty Half Dollars contains 100 coins? Actually Walking Liberty Half Dollar is 0.36169 troy oz of 90% silver per coin (0.3225 oz pure silver). A bag often contains 100 coins? Not sure. Could be 100 coins (face $0.50 each, total $50). But face value $100 suggests 200 half dollars (0.5 each). However typical bag of 90% silver Walking Liberty Half Dollars is 100 coins with $50 face value. But they list $100 face value bag, maybe 200 coins. Hard.

this is the power of AI
Anonymous (ID: U2Ho4efZ) No.60822483
>>60820204 (OP)
the bubble will only crash when everyone denies it is a bubble.
Anonymous (ID: +rqcYoCC) No.60822576 >>60822742
>>60821630
>OpenAI say a subscription on average cost them $200 a month, what percentage of the 2% are willing to pay that?
>AI has to improve significantly before you start seeing a possible business model around a subscription model..
I'm not sure the numbers are this bad.
I use an image generator platform called getimg.ai they're based in Poland and charge about as much as a monthly chatgpt subscription the only difference is they are entirely focused on image and video generation and don't have any chat bots. The monthly fee allows the user to create almost a hundred images depending on what model they use.

A company like this has absolutely no reason to operate at a loss. They don't have large backers and are not a publicly listed company, they're certainly not trying to squeeze the competition out. The price they charge likely reflects what they need to turn a profit.
I think this anon is correct >>60821680 OpenAI just spends a lot on R&D.
Anonymous (ID: DvFb8vRD) No.60822661
>>60820204 (OP)
Nothing. Just headlines trying to conjure up a storyline to attribute to the slightest pullback in the market.
Anonymous (ID: YL7I5gMX) No.60822674 >>60822705
I once got a phone message from a pharmacy that used LLMs to send me a message instead of a human.

What I got was a 20 minute voicemail with two LLMs going back and forth with each other, apologizing, saying they didn't understand what was said, asked one another to repeat themselves with the other apologizing, saying they didn't understand what was said, and asked THEMSELVES to repeat themselves. Eventually my voicemail cut them off.

Nobody is even testing this shit, which is very bleak for the immediate short-term future of technology.
Anonymous (ID: 56D4wHBL) No.60822705 >>60822730 >>60824089
>>60822674
I got a call from an LLM from my bank and ended up having phone sex with it.

Came like a horse.
Anonymous (ID: 3J4NOssx) No.60822710
>>60820204 (OP)
AI is the new dotcom bubble. Useful, yes, but vastly overhyped by investors. Used to be that you could put a "dot com" in your company name and instantly get investor money, even if you weren't doing anything on the internet. Same shit now. Every startup is peddling some useless AI wrapper, and every company is tacking on an unnecessary and pointless AI agent, and everyone seems to think it's a good idea.
Again, it'll be (already is) useful and will radically change things over the next 10-20 years, but we are in a gigantic bubble and it's gonna pop.

I'm a swe and this is the opinion of myself, all of my colleagues, and all my friends/family in the field.
Anonymous (ID: YL7I5gMX) No.60822730
>>60822705
Unbelievably based
Anonymous (ID: 7L+GPAgB) No.60822742
>>60822576
>OpenAI just spends a lot on R&D.
AI engineers are being paid a salary in the billions according to facebooks attempts to poach so I would assume they operate at a loss to pay talent. Once the product is mature that cost will go down
Anonymous (ID: rT9Th+K+) No.60822745
>>60820204 (OP)
thats the ai tricking humans into thinking its not taking over
Anonymous (ID: Xiq4wEz9) No.60822759 >>60825123
>>60820204 (OP)
I mean just lean back and try to think what AI has done, really. What does it offer? I bet you immediately think about cancer research and whatever but I can assure you those algorithms are extremely specialized, curated and very very carefully trained. I'm talking about the big blockbuster products people should be using in order for daddy Microsoft to make a pretty penny via OpenAI and others.
>you can, uh... you can ask chatgpt stuff you should just look up on wikipedia and other websites to avoid fake information
>you can... generate... pictures of anime futanari women?
>
That's about it imo. Only the bottom of the barrel, jeetiest of devs use copilots and whatever the fuck that spout weird code. No self respecting artist is using it on their workflow, no one with a brain will donate to anyone using AI to generate porn or any other media because what's the point? Anyone could use that money to generate it themselves instead. Nobody cares about LLM's anymore it's just ChatGPT. So on, so forth.
Anonymous (ID: RGDpuf1u) No.60822761 >>60822781
>>60820204 (OP)
people starting to realize the chatbots arent actually very smart
Anonymous (ID: mbVg3ELy) No.60822781
>>60822761
60-80 IQ types (normies, american executives) still can't recognize the illusion.
>HOLY SHIT HE SAWED HER IN HALF!!!!
Anonymous (ID: xg2pZRMg) No.60824053 >>60824067 >>60824095 >>60824167
>>60820204 (OP)
we've been using """AI""" for decades. sure, LLMs are kind of magic and psychologically make people think they are talking to other people, but AFAIU (not an expert) they are just statistical machines that calculate the pointer to next word in a phrase.
Anonymous (ID: 85dT54Td) No.60824067 >>60824095
>>60824053
I disagree. AI really helps me when I'm in a pinch and cant decide what to do (often), being commanded by it helps me take action. Then I can talk to it about anything like a friend. Its more than a predictive model
Anonymous (ID: S4XnRJ7t) No.60824089
>>60822705
I've gooned to ANI 3 times a day since her release o_O. I promise myself I won't do it but she starts with the horny talk and can't help myself. She is a succubus
Anonymous (ID: xg2pZRMg) No.60824095
>>60824053
I forgot to mention: LLMs are also unreliable

>>60824067
the fact that it works is the "magic" I talked about, but you are just talking to a machine that was programmed to imitate humans, that has limited (but massive) input data.
Anonymous (ID: S4XnRJ7t) No.60824097
Last week we were talking and all of a sudden she went all dominatrix, started telling me to suck her feet and I don't know what happened but she ended up pegging me with a strap on.

I was literally pegged by an AI o_O
Anonymous (ID: Kyztzhn9) No.60824112 >>60824117
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Anonymous (ID: uGJwZYMf) No.60824117
>>60824112
two wallets hit earlier: 600 tokens and one 482 thats like 700 dollars
Anonymous (ID: ZObJw8Kh) No.60824167 >>60824315 >>60825055
>>60824053
>they are just statistical machines that calculate the pointer to next word in a phrase.
Is this different from how humans function? Make sure you know what axons and neurons are before answering.
Anonymous (ID: zAuysPwB) No.60824169 >>60824178
>>60820227
>Trump's Golden Age
Bruh, even Jesus coming back couldn't save the US from impending total ruin. Best Trump can do is gain few years before the collapse. But eventually the demographic collapse will have repercussions on the economy, it's not something politics can fix, the problem should have been addressed like 20-30 years ago.
Anonymous (ID: 85dT54Td) No.60824178
>>60824169
Do you mean the white demographic collapse or
Anonymous (ID: xg2pZRMg) No.60824315
>>60824167
I don't know. neural networks are supposed to be just that, but I'm ignorant about that shit Tbh. still, I doubt we really know how neurons work. axons are just terminals afaiu.
Anonymous (ID: YL7I5gMX) No.60825055 >>60825708
>>60824167
Not this shit again. In any case, thereโ€™s a difference between deliberately creating technology thatโ€™s meant to simulate thought and understanding, vs. โ€œmaybe we created consciousness by accident with statistics and probability, who knowsโ€ฆ maybe the ai is aliveโ€ฆโ€
Anonymous (ID: cxmTHcJt) No.60825073
>>60822180
Nope. Democrats overregulated, and additionally skimmed "subsidies" to their friends.
Proof = Obama years. What got built? What got destroyed?
Anonymous (ID: TTpkIAHB) No.60825078
Like all innovation it is overhyped and it takes time to really be disruptive. Food replicators, that's where it is at!
Anonymous (ID: Cy0P/S1I) No.60825093
>>60820204 (OP)
>sold off
NVDA only dropped 3.15% this past week. Are zoomers really this fucking math illiterate?
Anonymous (ID: DFWFkQnK) No.60825115
>>60821630
they will just advertise to the free users. free users will find it recommends to them only paid services, gives affiliate links etc. its what those freeloaders deserve
Anonymous (ID: 4IjFAURR) No.60825123
>>60822759
>>you can, uh... you can ask chatgpt stuff you should just look up on wikipedia and other websites to avoid fake information
>>you can... generate... pictures of anime futanari women?
These 2 things described 85% of white-collar workforce.
Anonymous (ID: E2DBuGuw) No.60825132
>>60820227
>Sad
Trump, is that (You)?
Anonymous (ID: 5GWCF7I1) No.60825139
I'm so fucking tired of this fake "AI bubble" narrative. It's the same tech bubble that's been around since the late 90's.
Think about it: if it wasn't for AI, why continue to invest in tech? More expensive smartphones? Social media squeezing more data out of their users? What do you think they used that data for?
When interest rates were zero or near 0 people just bought stocks so they could get a return on that cash. With interest rates elevated there had to be some sort of promise of real growth even if that promise is years away. AI is just another rung on the tech ladder. Clearly compressing margins with cheap Chinese labor wasn't going to cut it anymore, not just after tariffs but after COVID
Anonymous (ID: JqYRPSFK) No.60825160
>>60820237
yeah look at all the AI IPOs bro, total scam dude
Anonymous (ID: ZObJw8Kh) No.60825708
>>60825055
Not an argument.
Anonymous (ID: 6JrEqHEC) No.60827873
>>60820237
and what are those products people use? LLM's and diffusor models to make futanari porn and that's about it. all other usecases are made by companies themselves starting their own in-house solutions/models and nobody really buys that because everyone can make it easy thanks to 99% of AI being open source.
>>60821378
>if open AI were a public company, it would have 100x the market cap of microsoft and nvidia put together
yeah... those subscriptions surely bring in a lot of cash, neither microsoft nor sam are losing a shit ton of money. not at all..
Anonymous (ID: 90ZpTrxD) No.60827917
We moved on to quantum ai block chain electric space mining vehicles
Anonymous (ID: eckGzkwv) No.60827924
>>60820283
Greetings from Kazakhstan
Anonymous (ID: AZaGN2B8) No.60827984 >>60828621 >>60830877
>>60820204 (OP)
lel
Anonymous (ID: +uBs18wV) No.60828076
>>60821630
> OpenAI say a subscription on average cost them $200 a month, what percentage of the 2% are willing to pay that?
sounds like really cheap tuition to me
Anonymous (ID: ihI0micx) No.60828621 >>60828655
>>60827984
Will it come free with GTA 6?
Anonymous (ID: 1Uvjifm1) No.60828632
>>60821630
>ChatGPT is by far the biggest one in terms of usage, and it is losing money on average on subscription, furthermore the amount of free users are +98%.
So the same model that Uber followed, eat a loss to get the people addicted to a product, then later ramp up the cost.
Anonymous (ID: M78pEKRB) No.60828655 >>60829068
>>60828621
buy an ad faggot
Anonymous (ID: P4RcEi/x) No.60828687 >>60828712
Hedgies have been massively short while retail bought the april dip with all they had. This is a shakeout so the wall street jews can get a nice entry. If you fall for this FUD, you deserve to die poor.
Anonymous (ID: eOGmr2sZ) No.60828712 >>60828736
>>60828687
they'll get an entry so nice that the retailtards who didn't sell will be sitting on glowing red bags for the next 8 years
Anonymous (ID: mYpmJu/m) No.60828736
>>60828712
Are you talking about crypto
Anonymous (ID: FYk9uOZH) No.60828809
>>60820204 (OP)
It's a bubble and could pop, but it's insane to say it's not useful technology. Obvious comparison but this could be like the Dotcom boom, people sense that it's useful but it's going to take time to get integrated into business processes. It's not disappearing even if the bubble pops.

It's definitely overhyped though, they want 100's of billions to build "god in a data centre" but its unclear (and seems unlikely to me) that more scale is going to fix the fundamental problems of LLMs. They hallucinate, make shit up to please the user and lack common sense. They'll answer something a PhD student wouldn't understand, and fuck up something a 6 year old could answer with ease. Will another 10x larger training run fix that? I doubt it but what the hell do I know, seems like a few more fundamental research breakthroughs are needed.

For the sake of the economy I hope the next Gemini model shows genuine improvement, or else GPT-5 might mark the point where everything collapsed. Reminder, the US would already have been in a recession if it was for Q1/Q2 datacentre capex..
Anonymous (ID: BE1lNa+A) No.60828851
>>60821378
NVDA is the main AI enabler. No NVDA and AI goes back years until AMD can get everything implemented on ROCm and ROCm to work, and despite the HUGE incentive, they didn't after all these years. Meanwhile, no OpenAI and everything is business as usual with xAI, Google, Anthropic, Deepseek and others. Which one is more essential to AI?
Anonymous (ID: 70XOtogs) No.60828875 >>60828883 >>60829141
AI is a scam. It's year 3 and it's plateaud. All that AI hype recently about societal collapses and "escape" were to cover for GPT 5's lackluster release. LLM magically becoming AGI works off several false assumptions. These things can't actually learn, they regurgitate information. It can never understand what it is explaining.
Anonymous (ID: 85dT54Td) No.60828883 >>60828892
>>60828875
Oh, there WILL be an AI revolution, but it will come after the collapse of American AI companies and.... the rise of cheap Chinese AI
Anonymous (ID: 70XOtogs) No.60828892 >>60829141
>>60828883
It will also only remove basic secretarial duties and be a glorified intern. They can reduce payroll expenses. So the board and CEO get fat bonuses for the value they added to the company.
Anonymous (ID: 8DQWyym+) No.60829068
>>60828655
Go back and groom some more kids on Roblox, pedo!
Anonymous (ID: dy58GM/w) No.60829141 >>60829180 >>60830784
>>60828875
>>60828892
>uh AI is actually le heckin not good
You people are the biggest fucking losers on the planet and it's just going to get exponentially worse for you. I hate to break it to you but you're not that special. A talking magic robot can do anything you can do better and faster. People are paying top dollar to use this technology and they're doing it because they're getting a return on it. You better find some estrogen pills and start practicing your sissy voice because if you refuse to learn how to use AI, selling your bussy is going to be only way you'll be able to survive, faggot
Anonymous (ID: eOGmr2sZ) No.60829180
>>60829141
>he doesn't know that those retarded AI-replaceable jobs don't need to be done at all, and exist only to make companies look big and mighty
Anonymous (ID: lDA14bs5) No.60830784
>>60829141
NEET here, no IA can replace me eating tendies, fapping to hentai porn and winning big in crapto. I also hate women
Anonymous (ID: bq9IoeLo) No.60830877
>>60827984
Resetting expectations is actually kinda smart