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>>60840370 (OP)
>the government will still allow unlimited jeets to flood the market

>>60840370 (OP)
one of my mates graduated from a 2 year gamedev-oriented IT course ("post-secondary education" school or something)
he can't do 3d modelling or image editing, barely understands databases, can't code at any level of complexity above complete beginner (can't even do a celsius to farenheit console converter), can just barely use game engines through step-by-step tutorials
the most complicated thing he has ever done was a static website for a hypothetical restaurant using wordpress

i don't think it's just the state of the economy (outsourcing or AI), i think it's primarily about the decay of western education systems and the expectations/standards required out of students in combination with business owners being less tech illiterate and thus having higher standards for their hires
personally i've graduated from a "proper" IT university with fairly high performance and i still felt like an "impostor" due to how low the barrier was

tldr: coding and IT is still a good career path, these "graduates" doomer stats are tainted by the decay of the education sector

That's what happens when we let the people decide their own fate, very often with catastrophic outcomes. That's why the government, with its knowledge and understanding of the people's needs, must decide what people study.

American tech workers demand too much money for basic work. You now need to compete with 1.4 billion of us Indians and your labor is reflecting its true market value. More Indians graduate from university with computer science degrees every day than American citizens are born.

Welcome to 2025

>>60840432
Comp sci chad here. I am still employed and won’t be losing my job. I can tell you now, categorically, that these Indians have no idea what they’re doing. Literally none. I am yet to come across more than one Indian in my travels that has a comprehensive knowledge in this field. I think I have met one, and he was really fucking switched on. One day there will be an inflection point, where there are that many Indians but they cannot fix the problems and core fundamental systems of everything will cease to work. On the other side we have gen z that knows nothing but chat GPT which will also cause the same issue. There will be a huge demand for people who actually know what they’re doing within the next 5 years. Mark my words.

>>60840432
very excellence sir, kindly so

learn to put my fruits and bread on top of the other groceries little nigga. oh wait robots are going to do that too.

>>60840432
Why can’t indians in india make tech companies? You aren’t competing, you’re slave labour.

I unironically have a degree in philosophy :)

PHILOSOPHY CHADS WIN AGAIN
SOCRATES LAUGHING IN ELYSIUM
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>>60840432
More like more Indians are getting scam degrees and scam their way into IT jobs. Time and time and again its the same shit Indian who cant code and who avoids work like the plague.

>>60840466
I took a shit job because I got laid off, was demoralized, and just wanted to lift weights and look good.
so I've been doing 'production support' with thousands of indians.
the experience is like this:
>start getting alerts software is broken
>shoot their team an email to see if they understand what's going on
>onshore, which is also fresh off the boat indians, ignore the correspondence, so that my email can get assigned to offshore
>then offshore will ignore it unless I, send another email asking for an update during my shift, followed by a delayed delivery that will hit the top of their inbox middle of their work day, and then finally skyping (yes unsupported dead skype) them at 5 AM before I go to lift
>then they're finally afraid of getting in trouble, so they'll respond at this point, but now the game is to stall by requesting information
>do you have a screenshot? yea it's in the email chain you didn't read asshole
>but do you have the exact error message the user is supposed to see?
>no. 'line of business' could you please get the 'messaging' team the correct error message, because they don't have access to this information

>>60840370 (OP)
> Cope
I still make six figures working from home. This bubble will burst eventually, but I will have enough time to save enough money to retire and live off my investments

>>60840370 (OP)
To be fair, this does not parse for philosophy degree haver midwits 500k in debt working as a waiter.

>>60840544
you got maybe 3 years left. AI has totally destroyed our profession.
and before AI it was mostly just boilerplate gluing restful api's together.

turns out a stem degree with fucking half a calculus sequence isn't worth anything who would have thought

>>60840564
kek reminds me in university one summer I was working the night shift at a food factory and got to talking with one of my coworkers in his 30s. I asked what led to him working there.
Turns out he was philosophy professor at one of the local colleges and couldn't find another job lmao

Teaching seems like the only viable pathway to employment for philosophy/art history, nobody wants to hire someone to be a philosopher or art history major. In the best case maybe the art history major lands a job at museum or art gallery curator, but when tens of thousands graduate with a degree in it each year there's only so many of those positions available.

>>60840543
Lol. A working with third workers thread would go gangbusters if there were more than 30 people, 12 bots, and 50 subhumans who were regular on /biz

>>60840607
>Teaching seems like the only viable pathway to employment for philosophy/art history, nobody wants to hire someone to be a philosopher or art history major.
Philosphy is a pre-law major.

>>60840447
>these Indians have no idea what they’re doing
That's fine. Most customers have no idea what they're buying.

>>60840544
>Cope
The real cope is you posting a picture like that when we all know you don’t look like that

>>60840370 (OP)
this could be fixed in a year if we deported every H1B
they are now coming for shittier jobs
truck driving, manual labor, hell, state admin jobs for fucks sakes
its insane there hasn't been block back frrom it.

>>60840396
no there is rampant racism, indians hire indians.
white men last.
i graduated from stanford's most selective program, i could have a job but so much shittier than the ones the female indians got out of the program.
i have to support my family by running their business so i stopped my search.
i cant justify working for $150k when my parent's are extremely wealthy and can't run their own lives.
personally im fine, buut im a testament to how fucked the job situation is.
I should've been scooped up by any FANG, instead only had finance and consulting offers (more white companies)
its so bad in big tech rn, all indians

>>60840447
there are great indians, but they are a lower portion of great whites.
the old ones who have been in the USA for 20 years tend to be incredibly intelligent becasue they got here when the system actually filtered for talent, the new ones (+95% are terrible)

they all should go back

>>60840584
bingo, im considering building a start up using AI, i coulld not have built what i want to build a few years ago, but now I can.
Im purely quant, sure i could learn front end, and everything else that is required, but wasn't worth it.
now AI can do it all and i just have to project manage

>>60840395
i work in the US at a tech company, and for some reason the only people i interview are Indians or minorities located in Canada

>>60841348
Seems like a cope, not a compete .

>>60841367
>the cultures that encourage living in the same household intergenerationally and interfamilial show a higher level of household income

>>60841398
Another cope . Seems like if you had to live by yourself you would want to earn more to have a better lifestyle.

>>60840396
this 100%
too many youtube-educated retards with zero real projects under their belts

>>60840370 (OP)
About 10 years ago, the masses said learn to code, now coders are rolling burritos. Now the masses say go into the trades, even though without a union it's a complete nightmare. You should not enter the trades for a million reasons. The lesson is clear, the masses ape whatever their TV leaders say and the tv leaders are led by corporate leaders. Always look for the work the masses sneer at as a way to gage the job market. In 10 years they'll talk about how that field will be hot. And the masses are always about a decade behind at least in their recommendations, ignore them.

>>60841455
>8 people working in 1 household show a combined income higher than 2 people working per household
>this is very insightful because it means the 2 people aren't earning as much
Do you know how retarded you sound?

>>60840370 (OP)
This is only because coders are too proud to work at starbucks

>>60841485
I think nursing is the only safe field. But every time I go to a doctor (rarely) I feel I get better results using chatgtp. I actually think most of them just use it. It's going to get really bad out there. It will be interesting to see what happens to this country with 25% unemployment.

>>60840395
>noo stop importing smarter people that will work for a lower pay

>>60841601
I always recommend to build a business or invest, jobs will always be a suckers game. And yea the lack of real knowledge or caring in most professions is palpable. Bare minimum poverty wages for bare minimum poverty work.
>what will happen when unemployment is 25%?
They'll say, what are you too good to get a job at McDonalds? Get it now?

>>60841367
>10 pajeets living under the same roof have a higher household income than Danial and his wife Marissa.
wow you don’t say

>>60840396
this is actually super whitepill
hopefully i will be better than the rest

>>60841655
White millennials live in shared housing