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Anonymous (ID: a0m1Bo+U) No.60855655 >>60860708 >>60860881
Ripple is cooked
Pic is Ripple's main institutional product, ODL.
When XRP holders talk about muh settlement, liquidity, payment rails, bridge currency, cross-border transactions, ... this is what they're talking about.
It is also the only Ripple product that requires XRP.
Just look at how it works.
Anonymous (ID: a0m1Bo+U) No.60855656 >>60855772 >>60856012 >>60856465 >>60857621 >>60858046 >>60859946
Oh and best of all: Ripple themselves said using ODL does nothing for the price of XRP.
Anonymous (ID: KJWYqVHX) No.60855667 >>60855677 >>60857665
You only need to know the basics of Atomic Delivery vs Payment (DvP), atomic Payment vs Payment (PvP) and atomic Delivery vs Data Availability (DVDA) to see why "bridge currencies" are a completely unnecessary form of friction.
Anonymous (ID: a0m1Bo+U) No.60855677 >>60857621
>>60855667
All you need to know is that
>tokenized asset A => tokenized asset B
is faster, simpler, more secure, cheaper, ... than
>asset A => "bridge currency" => asset B

Tokenization makes bridge currencies completely obsolete.
Anonymous (ID: Ko2KO1t0) No.60855763
As the linktards say:
DR NS
Anonymous (ID: IkIkFr5K) No.60855772 >>60855793
>>60855656
Sounds great. So after the believers make their money, no grifters will be able to show up late and still make money? That's awesome. Im so glad to hear it.
Anonymous (ID: a0m1Bo+U) No.60855793
>>60855772
... what?
Anonymous (ID: mEFtcKgx) No.60856012 >>60856024 >>60856030
>>60855656
That's the point.

But the ticket sales to use the ledger aren't.
Most brilliant design possible.

Does using your Superbowl ticket make the price go up or down?
Does getting the ticket in the first place?
Anonymous (ID: XMp1Bo9z) No.60856024 >>60856120 >>60856120
>>60856012
What's happening is the ticket is bought and then sold almost immediately.
So any demand is immediately offset with equivalent supply.

Hence no effect on price.
Anonymous (ID: YDfamfJx) No.60856030
>>60856012
Again with the ticket scenario (last time it was Taylor Swift I believe). Can you expand more on it? I have no clue what you are trying to say.
Anonymous (ID: mEFtcKgx) No.60856120 >>60856132
>>60856024
No.
Someone has to get the ticket to get in the game.
That's where the bidding is. BEFORE using it.
Just like any ticket market.
>>60856024
The ticket to use a service allows you to use a service and has no price affect at use.

But BEFORE going to the concert, the market prices the tickets.
The more there is to see, the higher the price.
But using the ticket is the end goal that people bid on.
The price goes up when more people want to use the ticket.

No matter who uses it, the price at use was irrelevant.
Anonymous (ID: XMp1Bo9z) No.60856132 >>60857116
>>60856120
>That's where the bidding is.
There is no bidding. The price is whatever the original asset's price is.
You're seriously stupid.
Anonymous (ID: pokr34LI) No.60856465 >>60856479
>>60855656
>it's demand neutral
>THAT MEANS THE PRICE CAN'T GO UP
>price goes up
kek stinkies, stay poor
Anonymous (ID: XMp1Bo9z) No.60856479 >>60856514
>>60856465
>>THAT MEANS THE PRICE CAN'T GO UP
Not from usage, no.
It still goes up because of retards like pic related.
Anonymous (ID: pokr34LI) No.60856514 >>60856528
>>60856479
>here are 1000 reasons xrp can't go up (marketcap, not real crypto, founders dump, demand neutral, fake partnerships, etc)
>here is 1 reason it can (retards)
>it skyrockets
kek
stinkies are going to completely meltdown soon
Anonymous (ID: XMp1Bo9z) No.60856528
>>60856514
>>here are 1000 reasons xrp can't go up (marketcap, not real crypto, founders dump, demand neutral, fake partnerships, etc)

That's what Link fuddies are saying, not me.
I personally know for a fact that crypto value is 99.9999999% speculative.
Anonymous (ID: W0ib+2YD) No.60856532 >>60856717 >>60857621
All these demoralization threads being made all of sudden

You can tell something big is about to be announced
Anonymous (ID: TFqROopH) No.60856717 >>60856747 >>60857621 >>60858987
>>60856532
Yeah, SBI announced they're using chainlink lol
Anonymous (ID: 1xkd5Xam) No.60856747 >>60856777
>>60856717
Ok but price… ? ATH was 4 years ago…
Anonymous (ID: TFqROopH) No.60856777 >>60856809 >>60857621
>>60856747
Price looks great! Thanks for reminding me, I bought in june =) Fuddies are so friendly these days.
Anonymous (ID: Bij8G/AY) No.60856809
>>60856777
holy check
Anonymous (ID: Ybp/MPPj) No.60857116
>>60856132
There was 10 billion of bidding just today retard.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60857621 >>60857681 >>60857691 >>60859995 >>60860372
>>60856717
Not for settlement. Ironic to the subject of the OP, NONE of you don't understand your own core product. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UU-Be9kfJE
>>60856777
Price is down 60% over the last 5 years.
>>60856532
Seriously, like 7 threads. Chainlink influencers and posters never stop talking about XRP. They literally talk about it more than they talk about Chainlink. XRP side never even mentions Chainlink except in response to jewish attack onslaught from them. The fact Chainlink Labs pays for this is fucking insane and hilarious and SO desperate.
>>60855677
No it doesn't. CCIP takes 5 minutes longer than XRP does. 100s of times slower and more expensive, especially if settling between minted assets on-chain. You already know this. You made the same pasta and then stopped replying when it was pointed out to you in the other thread. Smart contracts will always be slower than atomic settlement using ILP, especially using Chainlink which requires the 5 minutes in addition to settlement.
>>60855656
This isn't news and is something every XRP investor has been aware of for years and has nothing to do with our thesis other than as buildout for the liquidity/settlement layer in payments. It is however worth adding XRP is burned with every single transaction, which at scaled use, is substantial.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60857665
>>60855667
Wrong in an embarrassing way. See:
>>60847017
>>60844361
>>60844470
>>60844527
Anonymous (ID: TFqROopH) No.60857681 >>60857868
>>60857621
None of us don’t understand our holdings? Geeze well, thanks!
Anonymous (ID: lEZISjb/) No.60857691
>>60857621
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60857868 >>60857914 >>60858157 >>60859977
>>60857681
You objectively don't. I have argued in dozens of threads. Literally none of you even understand how CCIP works or that it does not settle value in the link token. You don't even understand the difference between the settlement layer and broader data feed aspects of it. You don't understand the only project your entire thesis is based on or how the network operates or the tokenomics of your own project and how CLL lied to investors, etc. The fact they don't know the difference between settlement and what link potentially does in the process, which is kind of baffling
Anonymous (ID: YDfamfJx) No.60857914 >>60858081 >>60861218
>>60857868
You keep asserting this but not once when pressed have you been able to argue your way out of a wet paper bag. You employ the equivalent of a law firm burying their opposing council in bullshit documents. Verbose midwit.

YOU STILL HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO ARTICULATE HOW XRP USAGE MAKES THE PRICE GO UP

>inb4 pasta about an Arabian prince, a 50B company and some other non-related "achievements" from XRP that have nothing to do with actual price mechanisms
Anonymous (ID: 9p0XafPX) No.60858046
>>60855656
This is only saying that a single transaction in itself can't move the price, but billions of transactions at the same time, non stop, certainly would
Anonymous (ID: NiU6BWge) No.60858081
>>60857914
Dude but the CROWNED PRINCE and stuff!
Anonymous (ID: TFqROopH) No.60858157
>>60857868
No where in this board has anyone anywhere suggested even remotely close that transactions occur within link. It’s simply not a blockchain, everyone knows this. You are challenged to think that you are arguing with anyone about that fact.

SBI announced they will use CCIP. CCIP will orchestrate the cross chain settlement of RWA and FX transactions for SBI and their clients between a variety chains and SBI-XRP. Paid for in $Link, abstractly or directly. Get over it. You’re not making the points you think you are. There is a reason why nobody in any thread you’re in agrees with you or interacts with you in a positive way. It’s because you’re some self-unaware aspie who is caught up in some first impression likely from a hype page and have built a delusional framework and aggressively argue in unintelligent ways.
Anonymous (ID: /Lnmky+i) No.60858441
Kek link baggies stay seething. Kys losers
Xrp 2020: $0.20
Link 2020: $20

Xrp 2025: $3
Link 2025: $24
Anonymous (ID: Jbo+D8LS) No.60858477 >>60858537
The lawsuit is basically over and linkcels are STILL using the lawsuit files as some sort of refute when the SEC bent the knee fucking kek
Anonymous (ID: bP7mHdt/) No.60858537 >>60858893
>>60858477
does that somehow mean that everything in the sec investigation doesn't count or what? are you dumb? (rethorical question btw, no need to answer (the answer is yes, you are dumb))
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60858893
>>60858537
This thread didn't uncover anything the SEC investigated. ODL is mechanically demand neutral and all of us have seen the pic you downloaded across years of the same single person posting it in every single XRP thread and getting rekt and doing the same in the next thread. You guys act like leftists and jews.
Anonymous (ID: cu7V+HOW) No.60858987 >>60860019
dang >>60856717 really triggered the tech illiterate XRPlets lmao
Anonymous (ID: xX576vsS) No.60859946
>>60855656
The transaction is demand neutral, but the fact that the transaction is taking place is proof that XRP has utility and provides a valuable service. THAT is what drives its value up. I understand this might be difficult to comprehend, but I believe in you.
Anonymous (ID: lspcXyXG) No.60859977 >>60860016 >>60860524
>>60857868
Youre actually an aspie.

The point of CCIP isn't "I want 100 USDC in ethereum to turn into 100 USD in TRX" it is so that when a blockchain interacts with a seperate one that is completely incompatible, they have a middle layer that can speak to both of them clearly.

Nobody has ever stated that the value of the settlement happens in LINK, its the call function that gets sent to the external blockchain. Billions of transactions will happen on chain, which a node operator gets paid for directing that transaction. This inherently drives up the price due to the amount of LINK being reduced on the open market.
Anonymous (ID: 4OzaJ6H/) No.60859995
>>60857621
>Price is down 60% over the last 5 years
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860016
>>60859977
I know, that is literally my point. It is used for data. It has no action in settling the actual trillions. That is literally my point. The entire business is COMPLETELY subsidized by Chainlink, who sell to the open market and dump on retail. They LIED to investors about how much supply they comingled, having had 2/3 of the float they dumped a majority of already to make payrolls and eat and dilute your savings as they expand available supply. They buy back a SMALL fraction and pay millions advertising it. Revenues are nothing and the network is less than 20% able to sustain itself based on its own. It is a literal money exfil scheme. ILP allows the same thing for payments for LITERALLY hundreds of times cheaper and faster, in an actually decentralized way with no counterparty intermediary or frictions, and it can batch micropayments, settling the hardware limit of trillions of tps with clearing in less than 2 seconds and finality using XRP in 3-5 seconds total.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860019 >>60860083
>>60858987
It's funny how much you all mirror the words I use. It lets me know you know you are wrong and unconvincing, and are coping through no u and ironic NPC assimilation to what even you interpret as my competency.
Anonymous (ID: cu7V+HOW) No.60860083 >>60860229
>>60860019
then you gush about how a centralized database is faster than a blockchain (lol). just use amazon cloud bro. if you actually worked in this space and weren't just a larper, you would know how stupid "trillions of tps" makes you sound. always gives me a good laugh
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860229
>>60860083
ILP isn't centralized. It is decentralized and anyone can run a node and choose their path for atomic settlement. Through payment channels it can settle trillions of tps at whatever finality speed is baked into the existing settlement networks in a basically frictionless way. CCIP is centralized and takes 5 minutes to settle and costs hundreds of times more and cannot batch micropayments (ILP can).
>Gush
Do you ever wonder why you guys use mirror my relatively uncommon terminology so often in disingenuous response to me?
Anonymous (ID: S0A44mDT) No.60860372 >>60860518 >>60860524
>>60857621
>Not for settlement.
Literally for settlement
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860518 >>60860527 >>60860938
>>60860372
Literally not for settlement. They use it (in so far as users choose to) for data feeds to facilitate payment. It does not even touch settlement. Pic related is the CCIP process. Enclosed in the big red circle is the settlement portion of the process. It is COMPLETELY separate from the link token which is just used for data feeds to facilitate it. The part of the process that potentially involves link is the same part of the process that makes settlement of payments take 5 minutes (hundreds of times) longer than ILP settlement and cost hundreds of times more. No exaggeration, LITERALLY hundreds of times. And it can't even process micropayments in a realistically economical way.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860524
>>60859977
>Data feeds
I know. It requires an additional 5 minutes per payment per use and costs 50 cents to multiple dollars. XRP using ILP as settles with complete finality in 3-5 seconds, clears in less than 2, and can batch micropayments to settle literally the hardware limit of trillion of transactions per second using payment channels (CCIP cannot).
>Settlement
See:
>>60860372

Literally every single person in every single XRP fud thread spamming link shit thinks it is used for settlement except apparently for you.
Anonymous (ID: S0A44mDT) No.60860527 >>60860575
>>60860518
>Literally not for settlement.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860575 >>60860585
>>60860527
You literally don't even understand how your own tech works. CCIP relies on link for data feeds to facilitate different settlements. It does not use link to settle. It is like how walking into a bank I am required to talk to the teller. That does not mean that the words we speak between each other to engage the deposit I am making (settlement from physical dollars to dollar denominated credit in my account) become valuable or are the medium or channel of settlement. Actually, they are a time friction preventing my speed of deposit which is much faster using an ATM. Link is the conversation with the teller facilitating the money transfer, slowing the transaction relative to alternatives. It also is equivalent in price impact to what it is in time impact, causing the settlement to be hundreds of times more expensive and hundreds of times slower, due explicitly to the part link is involved with. It is not used as a settlement layer. It is an optional utility coin for fees. The actual settlement of the transferred value (the value amount reaching the recipient) occurs on the destination blockchain, not within CCIP. CCIP
does not use the link coin as a settlement layer for P2P value transfers. It is a messaging and interoperability protocol-which as said is a hundreds of times slower/more expensive interop protocol than ILP which is feeless and allows payment of underlying settlement fees from the sender/receiver networks in any currency-not a blockchain or ledger. It coordinates coin transfers/messaging across settlement networks, with the actual settlement occurring on the source and destination networks (settlement layer). Stink is an optional fee payment coin, alongside native coin, and is not involved in custodying or settling the value being transferred. You LITERALLY don't' understand your own tech.
Anonymous (ID: S0A44mDT) No.60860585 >>60860604
>>60860575
>It does not use link to settle.
You literally cannot use Chainlink without the token.
Ever.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860604 >>60860607 >>60860665
>>60860585
You literally can use CCIP without using chainlink. This is demonstrated in Chainlink's own fee table which doesn't even reference enterprise in-house licensing off book. And literally 100% of CCIP transactions do not settle in link, even the ones that use it. You don't understand your own investment
Anonymous (ID: S0A44mDT) No.60860607 >>60860919
>>60860604
>You literally can use CCIP without using chainlink. This is demonstrated in Chainlink's own fee table
Even if you pay in alternative assets, the nodes are paid in Link.
Always, for literally everything Chainlink does.
Anonymous (ID: GtmlMdPr) No.60860665 >>60860671
>>60860604
Do you think that we think that LINK is used as a meme bridge currency for CCIP?

Because you are not making any sense.
Anonymous (ID: S0A44mDT) No.60860671 >>60860684
>>60860665
Exactly, he seems to think the only way to do settlement is to have a bridge currency that accrues zero value in the process.
It's straight up mind-numbing retardation.
Anonymous (ID: GtmlMdPr) No.60860684
>>60860671
Retard is still thinking in terms of fiat. Not stablecoins.

XRP'tard still thinks it's 2012.
Anonymous (ID: n2N4KMEY) No.60860708
>>60855655 (OP)
ahhhh i need to send money across the border but i want to expose it to massive risk first and take an automatic 5% minimum haircut on it as well!!!!
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860881 >>60860902 >>60860913
>>60855655 (OP)
>settlement
>payment rails

hmmmmm
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860902 >>60860918 >>60860919
>>60860881
Someone choosing specific wording in an article doesn't change what the underlying technology is. The coin does not settle value, it is a fee token for data feeds. That is literally it. It gives data service to the ledgers that actually move value and transact.
Anonymous (ID: cUuWIb33) No.60860913
>>60860881
they are saying Chainlink but what they mean is XRP
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860918 >>60860938
>>60860902
>haha that's just JPMorgan using silly words :p
Unholy cope

>The coin does not settle value
Meaning what exactly?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860919 >>60860929
>>60860607
Yes, by Chainlink Labs, who subsidize the entire network which would fail tomorrow if they stopped. It isn't even 20% sustainable by native revenues. CLL lied about the tokenomics and comingled 2/3 of the entire float and have been selling directly to retail and dumping on you and eating your savings to make payroll and inflate business and payrolls and... by inflating supply selling directly to you. They have already done a huge share. This isn't even what I was saying though. I was saying what I said in >>60860902 which is objectively inarguably true
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860929 >>60860945
>>60860919
>CLL lied about the tokenomics
lmao how?

And isn't it crazy how this guy is obviously Thomas?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860938 >>60860944
>>60860918
See
>>60860518

This is actually insane. Chainlink don't even claim to settle value. Their entire product never holds the value, it just serves as a data stream service to its passing through. It is crazy you are this serious about it and don't know this. It is like THE thing that matters for you to know.
For another quote from JP Morgan, see pic related. Not saying it means anything but your article wording does not mean what you think it does. It gives data feeds that facilitate payment structures but never actual value in payments using link.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860944 >>60860961
>>60860938
What does it mean when a coin does "settle value"?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860945 >>60860946
>>60860929
chainlink’s original pie chart (1b link minted back in ’17) was **35%** earmarked for node incentives, **35%** dumped into the ico, and **30%** retained by smartcontract/chainlink labs for “development.” fast‑forward—those node‑incentive tokens never left a multisig ultimately steered by cl labs. on‑chain sleuths have watched the same wallets dribble link to cexes whenever payroll + marketing burns get spicy. functionally, that means the lab can tap **65%** of the float whenever they feel “strategic,” because the node war‑chest still sits under their thumb. yes, that’s commingling in everything but name.

why the subterfuge? because economics: node ops still bleed money. feeds pay out peanuts (single‑digit bips per tx) and off‑chain reporting slashed hardware costs but not to zero. after six years, only the giga‑nodes (ppllike chainlink‑automation, chainlayer, figment, etc.) keep lights on, and they do it with otc link stipends from the mother‑ship. the long tail either volunteers or runs at a loss waiting for “hyper‑scale” that, idk, keeps getting punted to next quarter with staking v0.2 narratives.

meanwhile cl labs sprouted to \~700 heads bc they’re a quasi‑saas shop now—ccip, data streams, tx abstraction, the whole modular‑rollup buffet. growth curve looks vc‑style, but the revenue curve? shrug emoji. so tokens = op‑ex. when the treasury address cold‑swaps 5‑10m link to kraken every month, that’s salaries + cloud bills, not altruistic node farming.

* the 35% “node reserve” was never truly ring‑fenced; it’s dev treasury part2.
* node operators aren’t self‑sustaining and probably won’t be until fees eclipse chainlink’s own subsidies—no line‑of‑sight rn.
* cl labs disclosures are minimal on purpose; admitting the above torpedoes the “decentralized oracle network” ethos.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860946 >>60860969
>>60860945
>those node‑incentive tokens never left a multisig
So CLL haven't been paying the nodes?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860961 >>60860964
>>60860944
Transactions are verified and cleared and then settled on the receiving network. It is the money that is actually moving. The link token just helps coordinate it. It is like how walking into a bank I am required to talk to the teller. That does not mean that the words we speak between each other to engage the deposit I am making (settlement from physical dollars to dollar denominated credit in my account) become valuable or are the medium or channel of settlement. Actually, they are a time friction preventing my speed of deposit which is much faster using an ATM. Link is the conversation with the teller facilitating the money transfer, slowing the transaction relative to alternatives. It also is equivalent in price impact to what it is in time impact, causing the settlement to be hundreds of times more expensive and hundreds of times slower, due explicitly to the part link is involved with. It is not used as a settlement layer. It is an optional utility coin for fees. The actual settlement of the transferred value (the value amount reaching the recipient) occurs on the destination blockchain, not within CCIP. CCIP
does not use the link coin as a settlement layer for P2P value transfers. It is a messaging and interoperability protocol-which as said is a hundreds of times slower/more expensive interop protocol than ILP which is feeless and allows payment of underlying settlement fees from the sender/receiver networks in any currency-not a blockchain or ledger. It coordinates coin transfers/messaging across settlement networks, with the actual settlement occurring on the source and destination networks (settlement layer). Stink is an optional fee payment coin, and is not involved in storing or settling the value being transferred.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860964 >>60860980
>>60860961
What does it mean for the coin and its holders, chatbot.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860969 >>60860973
>>60860946
They LIED to investors about how much supply they comingled, having had 2/3 of the float they dumped a majority of already to make payrolls and eat and bilk from the till and dilute your savings as they expand available supply. They buy back a SMALL fraction and pay millions advertising it. Revenues are nothing and the network is less than 20% able to sustain itself based on its own. It is a literal money exfil scheme.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860973 >>60860994
>>60860969
>They LIED to investors about how much supply they comingled
How do you know?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860980 >>60860986
>>60860964
Not a chatbot. I copypasted some of my own old argumentst though. It means volume and burn for tokens that burn with transactions. Major adoption as such means buildout as a liquidity layer which is the base layer all else always moves or starts on.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860986 >>60861044
>>60860980
So when a coin is used to "settle value" the benefit is in the fees.
And when a coin is used to support value settlement the benefit is also in the fees.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60860994 >>60860997
>>60860973
They were never ring-fenced and could tap it whenever they deemed "strategic" and you can literally see the wallet send link to cexes to make payroll.

follow 0x514910771af9ca656af840dff83e8264ecf986ca to binance hot wallets-all public.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60860997 >>60861048
>>60860994
I asked how you know they lied.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861044 >>60861053 >>60861055
>>60860986
In part, depending on the method of consensus and a few other things. XRP’s value as a settlement token comes from fees (via burns), direct demand for liquidity, reserve requirements, and market sentiment tied to payment volumes. Chainlink, as a support token, does not gain value the same way. Its fees are not mandatory in link (though discounted in certain structures) and there’s no deflationary burn. It’s role is ancillary. Value dynamics are less directly correlated with payment settlement than for XRP.

For example: Say for simplicity of demonstration say that we are describing the same payment volume on CCIP using XRP for settlement and link for data. With XRP at $3.02 and link at $23.92, 1 million daily XRP payments ($100 million) on CCIP highlights the contrast: XRP’s value scales directly with payment volume through settlement demand (33.11 million XRP = $100 million), fee burns (10 XRP = $30.20), and reserves (10,000 XRP = $30,200). Stink’s role in CCIP is limited to supporting 10,000 messages, generating 1,000 link ($23,920) in fees, which does not reduce supply or scale with payment volume. XRP’s value is tightly coupled to transaction count and value, while link's is indirectly tied to messaging needs, making its value growth less responsive to the same payment volume.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861048 >>60861053
>>60860997
They claimed the supply was practically ring fenced for operator costs and then sold from it on exchange to animate the bloated zombie of their company to hundreds of heads while the network remains 7 years later unable to even remotely justify itself in actual operations.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861053 >>60861114 >>60861114
>>60861044
According to Ripple, using XRP for settlement has no impact on its price because it's bought and immediately sold again.
So literally the only impact on price is through fees.
Same as with link.

With the important distinction that in chainlink's case, the fees actually go to the nodes.

>>60861048
>and then sold from it on exchange
So they haven't been paying the nodes?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861055
>>60861044
Worth adding: With more efficient batching, link demand entire aggregate would be even lower. With pre-existing accounts (already reserved), the reserve section (small $30,200) would be reduced proportionately.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861114 >>60861126
>>60861053
You're also forgetting burns and reserves which at scale matter. ODL is demand-neutral per transaction due to the buy-sell cycle, but not entirely at scale. Market maker requirements, burns, reserves, and adoption create indirect demand, making it “mostly neutral” with deflationary and broad ecosystem-driven exceptions. Instead of driving demand for 33.11 million XRP ($100 million), ODL’s buy-sell cycle reduces net demand to ~993,377 XRP ($3 million) from market maker reserves. Burns (10 XRP = $30.20) and reserves (10,000 XRP = $30,200) persist but have limited immediate impact. Stink’s role (1,000 link = $23,920) remains unchanged-ODL doesn’t affect CCIP’s messaging needs. ODL’s design ensures XRP’s price is less responsive to payment volume, relying on long-term adoption and sentiment, whereas link's value stays capped by messaging, unaffected by ODL usage. And again, none of this even touches the broader picture of what comes from being a settlement layer. You don't see tokenization of assets or markets or NFTs etc. on link due to its messaging buildout, you do see that for successful liquidity buildout. And XRP has in-built messaging features, which once fully phase out the need for SWIFT or link in payments. As adoption sets in and becomes broad, SWIFT seems more and more like an unnecessary friction in payments and rather than pay rent for no reason, systems migrate to the least resistant, most capital preserving route. And they are incentivized to drive XRP price up for synergistic efficiency increases in payments, which may be why you see things like the crowned prince of Dubai launching his XRP treasury company etc. and would likely see much more in a mutually cooperative way. I get that you were just asking about the actual price mechanics, which is why I added this after the fact but it IS relevant
>>60861053
Robbing Peter to pay yourself and then giving also to Paul as you exfil isn't exactly a clean operation.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861126 >>60861197
>>60861114
>You're also forgetting burns
No. With XRPL, fees are the same thing as the burns.

>reserves
The XRP is bought and sold immediately according to Ripple. No reserves inherently needed with either XRP or Link.

So you have literally zero proof that they lied about the token distribution. Got it.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861197 >>60861203 >>60861244
>>60861126
No they aren't. Fees are paid to operators. Burns are deflationary. At scale, market makers need to provide liquidity to buy. You completely misunderstood me because you are either stupid or never intended to understand me and instead were trying to walk me on a sort of socratic dialogue because you assumed your conclusion was right and would lead to an inevitable impasse where I needed to concede truth lest I be exposed for being dishonest; instead it did so to you. What will you choose?
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861203 >>60861212
>>60861197
>No they aren't. Fees are paid to operators.
Wrong.
XRPL validators receive zero fees.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861212 >>60861219
>>60861203
That is my point, you fucking retard. Fees for link are paid to operators maintaining the network. Burns on the XRPL aren't paid out, they destroy supply and are deflationary. This is not true for the network costs on link.
Anonymous (ID: YDfamfJx) No.60861218
>autist xerpie conveniently didn't respond to >>60857914
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861219 >>60861244 >>60862505
>>60861212
>deflationary
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861244 >>60861266
>>60861219
Since May 2020 all Ripple sales are to institutional clients. Them transfering that much is actually a hugely bullish thing, which is hilarious. They have not sold a single XRP on exchange in years, meanwhile Chainlink have dumped the majority of the comingled supply on YOU and sold WAY more as a percentage of the total supply. I guess we know the answer to the latter part of >>60861197.

On tx costs:
https://xrpl.org/docs/concepts/transactions/transaction-cost

You are just objectively wrong and poorly thought out on every aspect
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861266 >>60861308
>>60861244
>They have not sold a single XRP on exchange in years

Except pic is what's happening to that 200 million XRP.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861308 >>60861313 >>60861314
>>60861266
They sell to clients through blind bid/ask to intermediate direct offering and prevent a securities contract, in a, like you said, demand neutral way. Here is SEC saying same:
https://x.com/filanlaw/status/1639006359990550528
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861313 >>60861323
>>60861308
You literally said they haven't sold a single XRP on exchange kek

What the fuck is wrong with you?
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861314 >>60861328
>>60861308
i.e. it is not to public. They sell to institutions through exchange order books. Have for years. Not news. As contrasted with Chainlink Labs.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861323 >>60861328
>>60861313
Oh holy shit okay you have me on a semantic point. They do not sell it TO RETAIL on exchange. They arrange buyers through blind bid/ask and sell to clients directly indirectly which means nothing to your claim except that I wrote in a non-specific terminology which in no way signifies what you were claiming to be true to be. It is however true for Chainlink Labs.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861328 >>60861396
>>60861314
>>60861323
How do they know to whom they're selling when exchange sales are double blind?
Buyers don't know who's selling and sellers don't know who's buying.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861396 >>60861421
>>60861328
The argument can't be made that the EXACT tokens are bought, through blind auction, which is the point. If Ripple sold directly it would be a direct offering. They coordinate buys and sells to offset each other in a demand neutral way. It is like having placing and scooping an equal portion of sand in a pile at the exact same time. The result is the same pile at all times.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861421 >>60861469
>>60861396
The answer to my question is a simple "they don't know".
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861469 >>60861481
>>60861421
No it isn't. Lol This is getting DESPERATE, in a way that is beneath you. You on one hand claim it is "demand neutral" and then claim the same exact transaction is dumping. Both can't be true. And it was literally tested and vindicated in court. Further, they DO know, and that is the point. If they were to sell directly to them through exchange the EXACT specific tokens, it could be construed (esp. by prior admin) to be a securities offering. They sell this way deliberately so that they can't be said to be picking up the same handful of sand they take out and can't be reasonably construed as having the expectation of doing so. They are still picking up and putting down the same sized handfuls and the pile is the same size the entire time.
Anonymous (ID: lmc+IoWb) No.60861481 >>60861509
>>60861469
You acknowledged yourself they don't know who's buying the "EXACT tokens" in your previous post.
You have a mental illness.
Anonymous (ID: Ob3CP+Uy) No.60861509
>>60861481
No. I said twice now the entire purpose of the transaction structure is to MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT DIRECTLY BUYING THE EXACT SAME TOKENS. There is no token specific impact or weight to supply/demand. IT doesn't matter what sand granules you remove, or if it was the original or not, as long as they are grabbing and sitting it down with their eyes closed. The supply remains the same exactly. This has literally been litigated. The fact you are even arguing this is INSANE. Maybe it isn't beneath you.
Anonymous (ID: YucvKutL) No.60862505
>>60861219
Yes deflationary, there is no new xrp minted and only reduced by burning.
They can only sell vis exchanges yet when they do its fud. Have you checked the balance of that wallet. Has more been moved out than the 80 m to other wallets and "drip fed" to exchanges?