Thread 60855937

First I'm not a Chinese shill I'm Taiwanese and will probably die for your country.
I want to assess the sentiment of other retards of the current and future state of your country (the US everyone else is irrelevant and should shut up).
From an outsider perspective your country is fucked beyond saving on a social perspective and the software and banking based jewish economy is producing nothing of value but a line going up. Do you think the US can recover from this or they'll become irrelevant ?
>picrel is just ragebait but you can see the pure Chinese mind in action, do not care about others just glow (I hate them)

>>60855937 (OP)
This is of course for investment, I have 20k to dump into some stocks and I feel like the US is becoming a paper economy

jackie chan

>>60855999
Yeah

>>60855937 (OP)
As a Taiwanese, you should know that it's Americans who are going to end up dying for your country. You don't have to thank us, but you can at least be polite.

Socially, we're starting to recover now that Trump is kicking out the illegals and sending the military to crack down on crime.

Software is what makes those chips you churn out be worth anything to anyone.

The U.S. won't become irrelevant as long as we have actual innovators like Elon Musk leading the way. And we have more of guys like him than any other country in the world, because everywhere else is too busy destroying their own populations and welcoming rapefugees, see for example Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Britain.

In terms of investment, just buy Bitcoin and relax. Bitoex.com is the exchange for Taiwan (fuck Maicoin, those assholes refused to let expats have accounts with them). Use Electrum for self-custody and transfer your BTC off the exchange to your Electrum wallet as soon as you buy.

>>60855937 (OP)
the US is going to be fine
betting against the US is like betting against elon (buffett spoke of this)
the US is going to chart the course that sustainably makes money. the politics will live downstream of that. the social aspect almost doesn't matter, maybe we will eject kebab maybe not, maybe we will eject blue hair maybe not.
trump is setting the roadmap. if rehoming factories works we will rehome factories. even in a democratic admin this would happen and they will take the credit for it.
it really is about BATNA. the US is in a bad spot right now but who's going to step up? it isn't China. invest in fake Chinese stocks? lol. there's no one else
taiwan is in a bad spot and likely will not be fine. Trump's policy is one hemisphere. rehoming Intel is anti-Taiwan. a deep state admin will go to bat for you. china wants taiwan more than anything and it only takes 1 US president to cuck, see crimea, east Ukraine. see british hong kong which was the brits cucking. you probably understand this issue better than me. it really matters how much distance the US has on china. taiwan handover within 25 years at current trajectory? I don't know. I am not an expert.
we don't need anymore nons so don't move here

>>60856046
>As a Taiwanese, you should know that it's Americans who are going to end up dying for your country. You don't have to thank us, but you can at least be polite.
Yeah what's gonna happen irl is : we gave you TSMC in Arizona and you won't need us anymore and you'll not care about US in less that 100 years, nobody believes the protection will last
>Socially, we're starting to recover now that Trump is kicking out the illegals and sending the military to crack down on crime
Is it working or is it figuring ?
>Software is what makes those chips you churn out be worth anything to anyone.
Yeah probably but it's easy to make and the only reason you dominated the software market is because of the easy access to investment due to your banking system
>The U.S. won't become irrelevant as long as we have actual innovators like Elon Musk leading the way. And we have more of guys like him than any other country in the world, because everywhere else is too busy destroying their own populations and welcoming rapefugees, see for example Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Britain.
You know a good 50% of your top scientists aren't American (even by counting the Jews). The moment you lose the "we invest in a lot of shit and pay absurd salaries" you'll lose people like Elon, in Europe it's what happens they call it brain leakage. Also people like Elon are pushing for more immigration so idk what to think about your comment. That's my point, don't you think the US is losing its attractiveness?

>>60856047
>betting against the US is like betting against elon (buffett spoke of this)
What do you guys have with Elon Musk ? I don't think he's too smart he just has a lot of money so he can pay good engineers to feed his vision (which may or may not be retarded)
>the social aspect almost doesn't matter, maybe we will eject kebab maybe not, maybe we will eject blue hair maybe not.
It kinda does when most people in your country do not like it and act in bad ways
>trump is setting the roadmap. if rehoming factories works we will rehome factories. even in a democratic admin this would happen and they will take the credit for it
And how are you gonna compete with Chinese kids that are not paid ? Relocation is useless if you can't compete with the price. The huge majority doesn't care if it's made in the US
>we don't need anymore nons so don't move here
so social stuff does matter?

>>60855937 (OP)
Chinese tech is always so funny to me, it’s like:
>WOOOO LOOK AT DRONES MAKE DRAGON IN SKY
>OH LOOK WE PUT LED ON ALL OUR SKYSCRAPPER
>LOOK WE MADE ROBOT

It’s all theatre, none of their tech is actually ground breaking. They are like 20 years behind US tech

>>60856326
Chinese tech is shit that just works with a little jank vs american tech which costs 20x more because theres 20 levels of bureaucrat jew boomers who were completely uninvolved and need their cut from layers and layers of regulations that make things marginally safer (if the cost of lawsuits would outweigh the profit of course otherwise they dont give a fuck about health or safety)

>>60855937 (OP)
The US will not survive in its current form. We are going through a 4th turning currently, there will be many changes over the next few years. Trump is making huge moves already, even tho hes a cuck for israel. The question is, if not the US then who? The answer isn't china or anybody else taking over i don't think, but more of a re imagining of how the whole world works. Trump is not extreme enough, we will.vote in the next hitler

>>60856326
You are partially true. I'm a robotics PhD student so I can tell you for humanoid robots they use US tech to train their stuff. Nvidia tech in particular. But what you don't get is the production power. Take a company like unitree for instance, they can pump out robots for 6K USD. That's 3 iPhones. Why ? Because they are of course sponsored by the government (just like any US tech company), but more importantly they only buy copper and iron. Everything else is made in house. Now take Boston dynamics or ANYbotics, the two companies from which unitree took the research from : they make everything abroad and they produce robot dogs that costs 10 to 50 times the price of unitree humanoids. The US will never be able to keep up with this. Maybe they can do better research (they are losing the edge quickly since they accept many many Chinese PhD students that end up teaching in China). Just look at the top schools from 30 years ago, China wasn't in the list, now they have a lot of schools in the top 100.

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>>60856326
You are partially true. I'm a robotics PhD student so I can tell you for humanoid robots they use US tech to train their stuff. Nvidia tech in particular. But what you don't get is the production power. Take a company like unitree for instance, they can pump out robots for 6K USD. That's 3 iPhones. Why ? Because they are of course sponsored by the government (just like any US tech company), but more importantly they only buy copper and iron. Everything else is made in house. Now take Boston dynamics or ANYbotics, the two companies from which unitree took the research from : they make everything abroad and they produce robot dogs that costs 10 to 50 times the price of unitree humanoids. The US will never be able to keep up with this. Maybe they can do better research (they are losing the edge quickly since they accept many many Chinese PhD students that end up teaching in China). Just look at the top schools from 30 years ago, China wasn't in the list, now they have a lot of schools in the top 100. I understand I sound like a the west has fallen chud but I truly hope it doesn't happen for my own safety kek

>>60856384
Fuck I am phone posting my bad
>>60856381
kek if we return it's to skin you alive Chang

>>60856372
Of course China won't invade but they can make the US slowly irrelevant just like the US made Europe irrelevant. It's just a production/investment game and the day another country pays better than here it's game over

>>60855937 (OP)
The US has its problems but so does China and Europe. There are too many bureaucrats deciding what companies can and cannot do. This is terrible for economic progress

>>60856438
True, but China seems to have a long term plan (it's the benefit of having a dictator I guess) where the US plans are just dictated by corpo greed

>>60856381
Chiang Kai-Shek was a hero standing against the evil of maoism

fucking clankers

>>60856046
>you should know that it's Americans who are going to end up dying for your country
bruh, you never died for anything but jewish interests, stay humble.

>>60856292
> What do you guys have with Elon Musk ? I don't think he's too smart he just has a lot of money so he can pay good engineers to feed his vision (which may or may not be retarded)
he is 145+ iq (i don't pay close attention) but more importantly he has high energy and appetite. the modal candidate retired after his first dot com win. your take is retarded.

> And how are you gonna compete with Chinese kids that are not paid ? Relocation is useless if you can't compete with the price. The huge majority doesn't care if it's made in the US
slave labor isn't a discriminator for anything. you are retarded.

>>we don't need anymore nons so don't move here
>so social stuff does matter?
you are retarded.

> You know a good 50% of your top scientists aren't American (even by counting the Jews).
the only thing that matters is how many whites are in the country. everybody else, even elon, drifts on that. gdp is a function of whites sustained. look at the charts. correct for population and banking stunts etc. all of the white countries cluster. the CEOs at the top collecting are figureheads. this is why it doesn't matter if we kick all the steins out. there is a guy as good waiting behind them in line, probably better because he isn't a racial scam artist optimized for intratribal resource acquisition, or a brown "genius" with no connection to the populace. the rest of the DEIs are a drag and a parasite class, to the extent we can sustain it we will, to the extent we can't we won't, economically speaking.

while elon is an outlier, where the fuck do you think elon is going to go? europe? lol. china? Lol. all of the magic shit is in the US because we have knock on effects from the biggest white population, not because we let urka durka in with his dreams of being the next tech magnate. that is and always has been propaganda

>>60857006
>you are retarded
>the only important factor in the economy is the white ratio
Yeah so basically the US is doomed thanks for your very smart take, I understand why you like Elon (he's not even American btw) you can stop posting and go back to /pol/

>>60857070
now i know you are retarded and it isn't merely an ESL issue
> but you said social stuff doesn't matter
> ratio not absolute
> ...
facts that are directionally opposed are not disproofs like in mathematics. sometimes in big systems coincident facts point in opposition and that's just how it is. output can be dependent on the absolute number of whites independently (mostly) of ratio. social stuff can still matter even if economics is the primary driver. elon can move the needle even if he is secondary to the workforce. where the fuck are you getting a robotics phd? under a tree in Taipei? making dildos? this board IS fucking stupid. quaking in my boots at our threatened global hegemony

>>60855937 (OP)
The current state of most countries right now is not good. If the US collapses, so does every other nation. We have the top military in the world thanks to our tax dollars to fund the 900 billion a yr budget so defending ourselves is not an issue and by the time things get too bad, AI will just manage control of the country while the upper class and elites continue to thrive. The US introduced migrants into here to provide a new level of poverty. Right now, the caste system is
>illegal migrant or homeless fent addict
>poor or middle class
>upper class
>elites
Gone are the days where there is a slim margin between poor and middle class. Most people live paycheck to paycheck even if they have a white collar job. Things will only get worse for the average person but the “country” itself will be fine.

There is so much vastly improved technology that would change the government dramatically if it were to utilized. Right now the incompetence of the government and the people running it seems to be a really strong indicator that something is going to need to happen to force major restructuring. The current paradigm seems completely irrational. I think we are seriously fucked and there is no real hope.

The biggest issue with China is that they are fantastic at refining and improving ideas but they are completely incapable of inventing new ideas. For example Elon will have star ships and we will likely see space travel start to become a thing. China will adopt those ideas and take it to some crazy next level.

>>60856452
Honestly, I think it would be better if America just got a not retarded dictator and called it a day. Things are a complete mess right now.

>>60855937 (OP)
the middle one is so adorable, its like a little pee pee poo poo running.

>>60855937 (OP)
Ofc the robot is black

>>60855937 (OP)
>>60855943

Line goes up because foreigners keep dumping their cash into our S&P 500.

We produce more than you think. And yes, software services, financial services and medical services are important. We also dominate in selling aerospace hardware and we're net exporters of food and energy.

The USA will become irrelevant when the entire planet is turned into a smoldering pile of ashes. Until then, chill out.

"Muh evil banking" is the only reason any industrialized country on this planet exists and the reason we have global trade, so again, chill out.

And no, China isn't going to invade you. You, Japan and Korea are actually important, unlike Ukraine, which was and still is a backwater Slavic shithole that is just a buffer-zone between NATO and Eurasia.

>>60855937 (OP)
I would unironically watch olympics robotics edition

>>60862470
Tsmt

>>60856046
Reddit is this way, sir --->

>>60856438
Nigger we need bureaucracy, there arent even enough jobs due automation.

>>60862470
>yeah, similar to robot wars

>>60855937 (OP)
Post hand and personal runes for verification (don't worry, we can't read it).

>>60855937 (OP)
trigger-warning: i'm euro.

Since this is /biz/ I’ll use crypto as the case.

Five years ago Europe and China were way ahead of the US. China was even experimenting with off-chain government payment rails. Within a single year the US private sector crushed everyone, the public side caught up fast, and suddenly they are a decade ahead. Memewhile in Europe we’re still stuck debating “phase 2” of a eurocoin nobody cares about, and China may or may not ban BTC for the 36th time.

When stakes are high, the US goes all in and takes risks. Europe hesitates. China lurches around with no coherent strategy. Same pattern in EVs, drones, batteries, smartphones, US open the market, then everyone else piles in late.

>muh dictator
Dictatorships move fast, but stability and safeguards are features of democracies. China will blow itself up, which is why I dumped all my emerging market exposure.
It’s not just instability either, it’s the legal system, outside the West it’s a giga circus.


What will happen to China is nothing compared to the US.
Mao made a grave mistake.