Thread 60886257

Mr. Beast is the most popular YouTuber in the world, whose YouTube videos often have titles like “7 Days Exploring An Underground City,” “World’s Deadliest Obstacle Course,” and “I Spent 7 Days In Solitary Confinement.” They often involve paying people lavish sums of money in exchange for entering wild and entertaining situations (e.g. he paid people to enact a real-life squid game).

Remarkably, Mr. Beast is also a philanthropist, having given away more than 30 million dollars. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mrbeast-given-away-more-30-220744847.html Even more remarkably, he often gives them away to charities that are very good, helping out poor people in the third world. A recent video—part of a massive collaboration with many other YouTubers—provided clean water for over 2 million people! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4hVGCWH1Kc

Naturally, as accompanies any attempt to uncontroversially better the world, this has made a lot of people very upset. People complain about him https://time.com/7010441/mrbeast-accusations-explained/ “using his good deeds as “content” off of which he profits,” and find there to be something crass about it. This has always seemed like a very lame criticism. What matters in philanthropy is helping people. Mr. Beast, by making videos about philanthropy, is able to help people more—he’s able to make more money which he can donate and get others to donate.

>>60886257 (OP)
If you have billions of dollars and sit on it, never giving it away, you face no backlash. But if you donate it so that poor children get clean water, then the think-pieces start rolling in about how you’re engaged in charity imperialism. This results in extremely malformed incentives. I think we should praise people for doing good, without questioning their motives. Even if people are doing amazingly good things for self-interested reasons, it’s good that they are doing those things and we should encourage them to do more. Doctors who perform life-saving surgeries also get a paycheck at the end, but we don’t shame them or write a million think-pieces about their wicked motives.

Now, the Mr. Beast rumor mill is endless. There are claims that one of the people he worked with a while ago shared sexual content in a discord server that had minors. There are claims that he made some racially insensitive comments like a decade ago. Some people who voluntarily entered Mr. Beast’s challenges also complain that the conditions aren’t nice enough and that he spent too much time shilling for some drink that he was sponsored by. I’m not going to talk about any of that, but it mostly seems pretty obviously ridiculous.

But recently, Mr. Beast has gotten into new hot water for doing a livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzaMO1D4Q-4 where he came off as kind of a jerk. He called up a bunch of other YouTubers and asked them to donate money to a charity giving clean water for kids. The people he was calling were very rich. He haggled them to some degree, saying stuff like “did that even make a dent?” after they donated, hoping that they’d donate more. This was an attempt to use social pressure to get them to give more money.

I am in favor of this. I think it is good to use peer pressure to get people to donate money to effective charities.

>>60886265
When a person has tens or hundreds of millions of dollars which they do not donate, they are acting in a way that is seriously morally wrong. They could better the lives of staggeringly large numbers of people but are refusing to do so for selfish reasons. It is good to peer pressure people to get them to do things that are very good and to stop them from doing things that are seriously morally wrong. Convincing someone to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to an effective charity likely does more good than saving a single life—and it would obviously be alright to use peer pressure to get someone to save a life.

I buy Peter Singer’s drowning child argument. https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-drowning-child-argument-is-simply?utm_source=publication-search I think failing to give to life-saving charities when you could save a person’s life is a bit like walking past a drowning child whose life you could save. But if we imagine that a bunch of very rich YouTubers were all ignoring a drowning child, it would obviously be permissible to be a bit of a jerk to get them to save the drowning child.

Many of these people are sufficiently wealthy that Mr. Beast’s requests could easily bring in an extra expected tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Each dollar allegedly provides someone clean water for a year. So by being a bit of a jerk, he could provide people clean water for tens of thousands of years. Ask yourself: is it okay to social pressure people to prevent hundreds of thousands of people from drinking the kind of horrible, disease-ridden, polluted water displayed below?

Pictures showing a boy drinking river water. | Download Scientific Diagram
It’s heartbreaking that we live in a world where so many people don’t have access to clean water. But in a world like that, it is obviously okay to use a bit of peer pressure to prevent tens of thousands of extra people from having to do that. This is not a difficult question in moral philosophy!

>>60886278
In one of the clips https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c5k_cDJL5zs that people found offputting, Mr. Beast “peer pressured” Adin Ross into donating 400,000 dollars. Things to know about Adin Ross:

He is very rich. His net worth is over 40 million dollars.

He has described Hitler as “a great leader,” and he is friends with Andrew Tate.

Now, call me crazy, but I am not actually heartbroken when a guy who loves Hitler and befriends sex-traffickers gets peer pressured into giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to effective charities. That is a good thing! I am in favor of it and want there to be more of it! If you’re the kind of person who can be casually peer pressured into giving away enough money to provide people with clean water for hundreds of thousands of years, then I don’t find it tragic when you are. It isn’t as if Adin Ross was forced into bankruptcy; the quantity of money he gave away will not have the slightest impact on his life. To the extent it replaces any expenditure, it will be lavish expenditures on overpriced cars and private jets. Every one of the people benefitted by the donation will be benefitted more substantially than Ross was harmed.

Now, it’s possible that because Mr. Beast came off as a jerk, he’ll in the future be able to raise less money for effective charities. If so, then his actions will, in the end, backfire. But even then, I think it was a risky gamble that might very well have been expected to pay off. If a person tries to raise a bunch of money for very effective charities, they should be praised for this. And if I had to guess, his heavy-handed tactics will increase the total amount of money raised for effective charities.

>>60886295
We can quibble over the details of whether Mr. Beast behaved badly on particular occasions. But overall, I think this somewhat misses the point. Mr. Beast has been an amazingly positive force for good in the world. MLK Junior also may have been a jerk in some ways—he was apparently unfaithful to his wife. But people focusing on that are missing the point; his progress on civil rights is far more important. It’s the thing that people should have in mind when they think about him. The other stuff is a rounding error.

I feel a similar way about Mr. Beast. If when a guy raises millions of dollars for charities providing clean water to poor people earning dollars a day, your first thought is that he was a bit rude when doing it, your priorities are in the wrong place. Jeremiah Johnson put it well:

When people criticize Mr. Beast’s philanthropy, I have to wonder what their main thing is.

There are two things that we typically consider when thinking about charitable efforts. What is directly being done? And what are the second-order effects that might come from it? For good reasons, we most often focus on the direct results. When Mr. Beast helped 1000 deaf people hear, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTOm65IZneg did it work? Can they now hear? Did thousands of amputees actually get prosthetic limbs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5PvwYZQtT8 By this standard, there’s very little room to criticize Donaldson. He says he’s going to go do big things, and he consistently delivers results.

>>60886305

The videos feel exploitative! Ok, but can those blind people still see? Did their sight miraculously return to them? Yes it did.

This is white saviorism! Cool story, but did the communities in Africa with no safe drinking water get wells? Did those wells solve a problem that was making their children sick? Yes? Ok.

This upholds broken systems! Yes, but did the homes get built? Were homeless people given permanent housing at no cost to themselves? They were? Then what the fuck are you complaining about?

It’s a lot easier to find random stuff to nitpick if a person does things to try to make the world a better place than if they don’t. If you only criticize people when they try to do good, you create deeply screwed up incentives. In my view, the people who merit criticisms are those who sit on tens of millions of dollars—a sum of money that could save staggeringly large numbers of lives—rather than the people who say “come on bro, you should give a bunch of money to this effective charity.”

The main thing with respect to Mr. Beast’s recent charity stream is the fact that millions of extra people will now have water. If that is not forefront in your mind when considering his recent actions, then I think you’re thinking about the issue completely wrong. Bettering the lives of millions of people matters way more than the dumb internet drama that makes people mad at Mr. Beast! Mr. Beast is better than his critics.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/mr-beast-is-better-than-you

You guys expect me to read all this shit? Go fuck yourself and fuck that satanic fuck Mr. Beast as well

You have to be terminally autistic to get baited into reading this whole thread

Go back Jimmy

>>60886338
or just not retarded

Bump

>Mr. Beast
>not a beast

Someone explain???

>>60886655
mr breast

>>60886662
he has a tranny friend

I didn’t read any of the thread but it’s really sad to see jenkem addiction in action, especially involving a child so young in OP

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>>60886338
I know it's bait written by AI, but I did read it because I was interested, and here are my thoughts

>>60886257 (OP)
The problem is his disregard for the people around him. If he really cared about the charity, he'd encourage people to donate and do so adequately, himself. Instead, he peer-pressures people, which is manipulation, and it makes him look psychotic, which feeds even more into people's negative perception of him.

See, even if you are changing people's lives for the better, if you treat the immediate people around you like crap, it's a bad look. You posit that that is a sacrifice worth making if it needs to be made, I wouldn't be so sure. I'm sure people in need appreciate the results from his efforts, but if it takes treating your acquaintances or friends as tools to get to those results, it's ugly.

The first thing I notice from his behavior is that he clearly does not want to spend however much time it takes to get the donations legitimately, since he's rushing to get the money from others to begin with. The dude's whole persona just screams "fake", how he's calling people he hasn't even talked to before solely due to their high net worth, how he disparages others for their supposed low donation amounts, I mean, look at how his co-hosts are reacting, they're obviously uncomfortable.

The fact of the matter is, the guy is making content, you know, a product. He's selling this on the YouTube site (or Kick, in this case), so that when millions of people watch his videos, he gets bank from the ad returns. He has real motivation to portray himself as some sort of messianic figure, but he is not honest. He wants status, he wants people's money, and he doesn't care how he makes others feel on the way there.

I've met the post count, so I'm continuing below.

>>60886840
Because you're making the argument that he's a good person, or that he's better than me, or us on this board, but he has not proven it, at least to me. Morality is not a numbers game, it does not depend on which value outweighs which. It's far more nuanced than that, it has a lot more factors at play. Like circumstance, which is very important. I've already mentioned his occupation, he only benefits from being charitable, and publicizing it as much as he does. He is not a "savior" by literal definition, he is closer to the modern TV evangelist than anything else. He has something to sell you, and he sells it off of the guise of good moral behavior, and you as the individual "doing your part!". I've already proven that his motivations, at the very least, are selfish. But couple that with his actions, and you cannot definitively state that he is "morally good", while he walks all over the people around him to get to his goal.

I could continue on for a bit about some of his idiosyncrasies or other potential hang-ups I may have, but they are minor, and I really don't watch this dude so I don't care to pick him apart much beyond this. But he truly does not seem trustworthy to me, and he certainly has not built a good case for himself as being better than anyone else, or even just "good". If he makes his friends' lives better with his actions, great, but you don't see any of that with what you've shown here. He's just someone with everything to gain, and too little to lose by manipulating the people around him.

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>>60886840
feminine/Jewish hands typed these posts

Didn't read it all but yeah his filantrophy is legit and refreshing. Most billionares are dead weight to the society. Inequality is the biggest obstacle we have right now, not overpopulation or migration or whatever the billionares want to and make you believe. The fact that USA is run by a billionare is just pure satire. The current system is not sustainable and wont last forever as long as people continue to be more nad more educated.
Take profits while you can, invest in your health, meaningful relationships and community values.

I hope all this spam is ai generated and someone didn't actually write this (and no one actually read this)

>>60886257 (OP)
i want to make it with memecoins (anon spx and fart so far!) to buy expensive cars to rev up really loudly every time i see a random homeless fuck on the street. there's a variety of people in this world, op.

>>60886257 (OP)
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>>60886305
Not reading all that, fucking faggot retard
Go back to plebbit and take your dead-eyed satanic Night Media managed bobblehead with you.

>>60886257 (OP)
Who the fuck is Mr breast?

>>60886257 (OP)
He's a millionaire who sometimes gives something to charity, which is more than any other idiot around here has ever done, but I'm not going to feel bad about it either. I mean, I use stuff like moomoo because the money I earn from my job isn't enough to pay my bills, whereas he uses his money for charity because he has plenty to spare. We're completely different

>>60886257 (OP)
>demoralization thread

>>60886257 (OP)
>Mr beast is better than you
I have donated and gifted more than my current net worth, or even any net worth during the last 5 years. How is he better than me? Creating cringe content on the web? You're reading mine. Making people do stupid things? Comment to my post.